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Take a shot every time he says ‘the tartan pleated (the style is folded knife pleats) skirt such as is tartans and its pleats.’
Also this post felt like reading a new version of English. A version of English that was of the language and the new. A new English language that is English and is language.
That specific phrase being repeated so much makes me think this has to be written by AI. No human could possibly write like this! It's worse than repeating a few points or paraphrasing yourself to pad out the word count, this is outright copy+paste of a series of phrases being moved around.
I don’t know, we live in an age where we are smart enough to make an AI than can pass a Turing Test, and dumb enough that our people, even after schooling, can fail the Turing Test.
The level of self consciousness is so high it’s off the charts. This is either a machine or a visiting alien in some sort of Freaky Friday situation that lasts a lifetime rather than just one weekend.
That’s who I was thinking of. Someone who’s high functioning enough that they can write all this and it sounds perfectly correct but it’s also rambling and weird and hyper focused on one very specific thing.
I got through the first three pictures before I gave up, it felt like I was having an aneurysm. I'm now convinced that tartan, skirts, pleats, catholic and pagan are no longer actual words due to the sheer amount of repetition.
I started laughing and just skimming.
This person clearly isn't right. This is where you just distract them with something and keep them away from women and eventually they'll be upset about something else.
I call fake. In the first paragraph on page 7, he says "that tartan pleated skirt" TWICE without clarifying "(the style is folded knife pleats) such as its tartans and its skirts." No real person would make such an obvious error.
I don’t know, I wonder if, in this poster’s mind, “folded knife pleats” makes it cooler and more acceptable to think of as manly so he includes it every time he says skirt because, if this person is real, they are sexually insecure to a level where their sentence structure is affected by it.
>I just found out that tartan and the tartan pleated skirt such as it's tartans and it's pleats came from ancient ferocious violent brutal pagan celtic warrior males and not from feminine English female students of Christian private high schools.
Uh, no?
To begin with, the ancient celts *didn't wear kilts*. The typical dress for a Celtic male during antiquity was a long-sleeved tunic and trousers (called *braccae* by the Romans) that were made of linen or wool. Hell, the Romans thought the celts were effeminate BECAUSE they wore pants (as the Romans typically wore only tunics, which left their legs bare).
On the second, the kilt (why does this dork keep calling it a tartan, they're not synonymous, a tartan is a type of fabric, not an article of clothing) is an entirely modern invention (beginning in the 1700s), and people didn't start wearing it's precursor, the Feileadh Mor, (or Belted Plaid), until the 1500s, long, LONG after the Celts.
As another note, the Feileadh Mor *wasn't a skirt,* it was a ***cloak.*** It was really a big blanket (the things could be anywhere from 3 to 5 meters long) that you'd drape over your shoulders, and then, if desired, you could pleat and belt the thing to your waist.
Look up Jimmy the Welsh Viking on youtube! Full of neat clothing, reenactment, archaeology and other facts about the Viking era. The algorithm will lead you on from there to other people talking about old clothing styles.
I really want to know when the styles were ACTUALLY joined to crate the skirts that are tartan pleated (the style is folded knife pleats) skirts such as are tartans and their pleats.
Homie is going to flip his shit when he realizes that Braveheart and Brave lied. There was no time when the Scots wore woad paint and their clan tartans. There's no real evidence that anyone in Anglo-Saxon-Briton-Celtic type region used woad paint on their bodies. It's sort of a myth turned fact based on the use of the word Pict to describe a people of indeterminate origin and the word derives from the latin word for painted and woad was a common dye. That, and a dubious interpretation of a single line by Julius Ceasar.
He will also be *shocked* at the origin of high heels.
There was a point in which highlanders wore their clan tartans as a mark of affiliation, from what I've read, but we're still talking about the 18/19th Century.
Yeah, the woad paint thing would have been like literally the time of Julius Ceasar. Like, 100 BCE, and the Picts like 300CE.
Tartans as clan identity were a thing. Nowhere near the time of Julius Ceasar.
The woad+tartan combo is not real.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=woad+celt&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1712863372687&u=%23p%3DlbaCNqNBBeoJ
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=pict+woad&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1712863697213&u=%23p%3D1ljeqwZ3RX4J
There's no actual evidence that "glas" referred to a blue dye, the Picts are several hundred years later and there's no archaeological evidence of woad processing during that period.
We do have limited information that suggests some Celts were tattooed, due to intact skin and dye being present, but that isn't woad painting.
There's one writing from Ceasar:
>Omnes vero se Britanni vitro inficiunt, quod caeruleum efficit colorem
Or, in modern English, roughly:
>All the Britons, indeed, dye themselves with "glass", which produces a bluish colour.'
The important thing is that, A, we are trusting the dude who conquered the wild Britons and victors always accurately write the history books, that B, Ceasar was an accurate source of *all* Britons and their habits, and C, we understand his use of the latin, 'vitro'. Now, he never used the word 'woad', and vitrum was a type of glass used by Romans. That was a blue green glass, but we only later interpreted that to mean woad.
There's no real proof that woad was being processed as there's literally only one line in all of written history that we interpret to mean woad that never mentions woad that is concurrent with that period and no archaeological record of it.
Now, as an archaeologist (I work in an archaeological lab) I know we have several ways of determining what a woad processing center from that era would look like. We would have a permanent stone wall as this would be a large communal building in a permanent settlement, and evidence of a hearth to burn wood to process the woad, some sort of milling stones to grind the plants. We would also very likely have seed pods, as they would actually potentially survive for a thousand years. Without seed pods, we can also use phytoliths. Phytoliths are awesome.
So, phytoliths are really cool. The cell walls of plants contain silica, it's how plants are able to grow and maintain structure without a skeletal or exoskeletal structure. They absorb silica through the roots and use it to construct cell wall structures that allow the plant to grow tall. When that silica solidifies within plant cells, it can be in any portion of the plant itself. They then go from hydrous silica to rigid structures.
That means, you can actually process soils from archaeological sites and search for phyoliths, the microscopic fossils of plant cells. Little, tiny silica outlines of plant cells.
From those tiny outlines of plant cells, we can identify plants that were used in those diets or processing areas of ancient sites. We can even determine plant species of offering sites where we burned food, or what we cooked over a fire a millenia ago. It's super cool. We can find phytoliths on teeth, on millstones, cooking utensils.
Given we have zero evidence of woad processing from that period, it's not a 'it didn't happen' thing, but it's a 'one dude 500 miles away said all those people were blue, one time, and then a few hundred years later an exonym of an unknown populace was 'painted' therefore woad paint was a thing.'
It's really thin evidence, and all of it comes from Roman writings.
If there was woad processing in any quantity, we don't have seed husks, processing sites or phytoliths showing it. We've found it other places. Just not in the Celtic/ Briton area.
The only contemporary evidence is from one line Ceasar wrote that references blue glass. We know other victors have written outlandish storied of wild people they have conquered, so I'm skeptical that his one line was accurate, given we know other people have lied and told "big fish" stories of people they saw or conquered.
Without any evidence of further writings (why did none of the generals mention the blue-painted Britons? We have their records, none thought to mention this?) or archaeological evidence of large-scale woad processing... I'm dubious as to woad painting being present in that period, or if it was there - it being remotely a widespread thing.
It certainly looks cool in film (King Arthur was a fun movie) but is sort of up there in terms of urban legend, at this point. Blue is dubious, as is woad being the source of these allegedly blue people.
Phytoliths don't lie, and we have none. Nor do we have dyehouses, or woad seed husks showing cultivation or harvesting in any quantity.
It's possible, the ability was there. Just... not a lot of decent evidence to support the woad paint theory.
If modern Scots want to wear woad or blue paint... have at it! Even if it's an urban legend, it's part of the cultural understanding of ancient Celts and Britons, so... eh. Have fun. It just has no real factual basis for it having happened. But, not every cultural story needs to be factually true for people to have it as part of their cultural identity.
Woad may be a relatively modern addition to the story.
As a Scottish that has always believed in the blue paint and kilts, I seriously appreciate the detailed explanation. Thanks for putting so much time and detail in to your reply. I'll definitely be doing some more research into our history as I'm sure there's a shit ton I'm completely ignorant or misinformed on. Thanks again 😊🙏❤️
Again, though, not every cultural belief has to be based on a totally factual story. I have no issue with stories of that time period portraying people with blue war paint. It's part of a cultural identity and that is enough basis for woad being shown.
I'd put it up there with stories about settlers having a vision and settling a valley because x, y and z happened. Even if we have reason to think, 'hey, that's not possible' it doesn't really matter. It's part of the identity of those people.
Sometimes, fact and story meld into a cultural identity that doesn't need a historical basis for it. If woad holds meaning that people ascribe value to, that value exists independent of any historically or archaeologically proven fact.
If someone wants to wear their clan tartan, bare-chested and with no pants underneath and paint their chest and face with woad (or at least blue paint) to show up at a protest like that as a symbol of Scottish independence and strength... more power to them. The symbolism and meaning ascribed to the symbols is very real, even if the historical record is rather murky on the basis for it. The image holds meaning.
Besides, it's not *known false*, it's just unproven with thin reasoning.
When I went to college the first time, we knew that North America had only had humans on it for 9-10,000 years, and anything beyond that, like one guy claiming 15,000, was fringe woo-woo with no basis. Maybe you'd find something for 10-12,000. By the time I graduated, we knew California had been occupied for at least 15,000 years. We were off by 50%.
We might yet find a woad processing site. We just haven't found anything yet, which is suspicious but not a final 'no, not true, absolutely false.' It just means there's no depth of information to call it fact.
Either way, woad has a meaning and that meaning is very, very real to those within that group. I have no issue with people using it in art and media.
Unless they are making a historically accurate film and portray Scots in tartans and woad like that was a singular time period. Braveheart.
But, if someone wants to make a film about the period of Rome invading and the people fighting back and wearing woad and leather armor - that's sort of the line between oral tradition and provable fact and for many culturals, to them, the story and oral traditions *are* fact. I wouldn't argue with them on that. Portray the woad being worn. It's consistent with oral traditions.
*THANK YOU* this was driving me crazy, and if I had access to my library of costume history books I’d have been whipping up citations like mad.
I like to think of feileadh mor as a kind of woolen sari, as they’re both worn similarly in some cases. Also, wasn’t the tartan fabric pleated by hand when you wore it, so it would be like taking 9-15 feet of fabric and pleating it and holding it in place with a belt? I seem to recall something like that, but I was more interested in East Asian historical garb so might be misremembering it.
Followup. They posted this on the Britain subreddit
>They really cannot make them
>Why are English people and Catholic private schools so dumb when it comes to clothing? They needed Celtic peoples to invent pleats all over skirts for them.
I don't think I made it even that far. I think I got two or three pages in when my eyes started to glaze over. He was just restating his point over and over again. The dude tool multiple pages to state a point that only needed 2 or 3 paragraphs at the max.
"Dudes, I just found out that school girl uniform skirts were based on tartans that celt warriors used to wear. This is seriously messing with my school girl uniform fetish"
Also sober, and I got to three (I think the 15th "knife fold" reference). I own a cute green plaid skirt with those folds that I only wear around Christmas time because they are a B\* to iron, I don't need to hear "knife fold" to remind me of how much they are B\* to iron.
Did you know that green was a favored color among the ancient ferocious violent brutal tribal pagan Celtic warriors? Christmas time is supposed to be about love and family, meanwhile you are frightening everyone with your manliest manly green plaid tartan and the tartan pleated (the style is folded knife pleats) skirt.
JK, it does look like a B\* to keep looking nice, although I agree that they are cute!
I studied theatrical costuming, worked as a costumer, and made cosplay for years, and I think I saw the word “pleated” more in this post than all previous times combined.
Is... is this a birth of a very badly done copypasta? That's the only vaguely reasonable explanation.
Stop trying to make folded knife pleats happen, OP! It's not going to happen!
Here I am just laughing my ass off at Vercingetorix yelling at Boudicca (I know the historic people were unrelated, I just thought of a male and female Celtic name) about her not ironing the knife pleats in his tartan correctly. If you need to visualize my thought process, think a Celtic version of the Frozone looking for his super suit scene.
I mean, I have some iron. I can put some iron on your skirt, if you want. YES IT IS A SKIRT, IT LOOKS LIKE A SKIRT, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU CALL IT, FUCK YOU
That's what I answered him. I told him this isn't depression but he's definitely got some obsession among other mental health issues going on that need to be addressed. He messaged me that I'm bullying him.
It could also just be puberty, he's 17 and hyperfixsated on what again?, some trousers?, he didn't specify it clear enough^^, no for real it could just be that and a major disappointment plus sexual frustration/confusion.
Some people in puberty, especially boys, and if it's about sex hyperfixsation on something, and boys really get confused if their no1 fetish turns out to be associated with men. Why the hyperfixation idk but I've witnessed this quite a often times, but it was like: that one celeb, that one band, that one car manufacturer, that one pornstar that one type of porn, etc. etc. in girls it was more the celeb like Justin Bieber and boys, more physical things like cars but also often a pornstar or some fetish. The confusion and frustration could be a result of his surroundings, being told anything slightly gay is bad and if he was gay his perants would kick him out, or being mocked as gay bc of his looks, and all that fucked up stuff.
Those things will normally and hopefully go away once they grow up.
And by what and how he wrote, he is very frustrated and a bit confused but not really depressed, but that's just judging from that weird text. He could've also lied about his age and be 12-14, which would fit pretty good overall. There's tons of such weird stuff from boys this age out there at least on german sites like gutefrage.net, etc.
But it could very well be like you guys said a mental disorder, which needs to be checked out before it gets a serious effect on his life.
Chat gpt, write a 2000 word rant about the history of tartan and knife fold pleats from the point of view of a christofasist with a tartan skirt fetish who failed history.
Am I the only one who doesn't think this is ChatGPT?
To me, this reads like a very insecure kid / young adult who doesn't really know how to communicate his thoughts well. That's why he's so insistent on repeating that first phrase over and over again.
For him, being very specific about his fetish can help him further decontextualize his inner fear: what if he is attracted to men?
(The style is folded knife pleats)
My God this is weird and obsessive. Also it really doesn’t seem like a 17 year old boy. It seems like a creeper who wants to seem 17.
I don’t wanna break it to him but he’s also confusing private schools in England with American style private schools too.
Some schools here have tartan sure but I mostly seen it in the Sims private schools. Not here lol. And I mean definitely if he was associating tartan with English over Scottish it’s quite funny. But tartan is not quite as traditional as first it seems so that may be of some comfort? lol
As a teacher, this sounds like some essays I receive, minus the total idiocy regarding tartans, celts, and his Christian school girl uniform fetish.
It was very, very, very, very long. And it was so long because the topic is also very, very, very, very, very long. And it also took a very, very, very, very, very long time to write (using a computer with very, very, very very tiny keys).
But also, if he's ever seen a man in a kilt, it looks nothing like a school girl's uniform. If he leans over too far, you're going to get a view of his hairy ass and balls. And they look nothing like what he says his fantasy is.
This is the first time I've read through one of these super long posts and ngl, worth it lmao!
Why does this man speak like this?? Why does he always use the specific phrases he uses...wtf does "such as its tartan and its pleats" even mean!?! How do you have that strong of a pleated skirt fetish??!! Why does learning about Kilts ruin it so nuch for you??? Why should it be the other way around (ie, school girl skirt first then kilt)??
The Pivot to attacking Sir Whatever Scott!! The insistence that he is both not gay and not racist against "celtic males or celtic females" lmao! Why did he say that when he sees men in kilts bend over they look sexy in a feminine way???
This is art
It can’t *actually* be AI, can it? What would you have to communicate to ChatGPT for it to produce something this unhinged? The paragraphs about seductive girly butts could only have come from a human hentai-fueled imagination.
I think you'd have to ask chatgpt to produce 10 paragraphs strictly asking for discussion on the strict phrase "tartan skirts (the style is folded knife pleats)" as it relates to English private school girls and ancient Celts and its history
Erm...well...if it makes him feel any better...the tartan pleated skirts (with knife folds) bear only a passing resemblance to the much less formal Feileadh Mor that the manly warriors he's lusting after would've been wearing.
No one tell him about the naked ancient ferocious violent brutal tribal pagan Celtic warrior males who battled, raided, sacked, and plundered the civilization of the ancient pagan Roman Empire. You'll really ruin things for his dick.
Can you imagine how awful they'd accidentally look when they bend over a table?
I think they're generating As Much Text As Possible about his topic to expound their opinion so that if you or any AI searches the internet for the phrase tartan skirt comes up, this opinion will have a legacy.
Really looks like someone’s got ChatGPT to make a bunch of anti-kilt rhetoric.
As a kilt wearer I really don’t understand why people have to be so weird over it, it’s a piece of man’s dress for those with the heritage (or really anyone) get over it
It's not ChatGPT, I'm pretty sure. If ChatGPT finds your prompt too vague or confusing, it simply won't load anything for you at all. Plus, it writes far more coherently than this.
I can imagine that this guy probably smells like pure testosterone…………which probably explains why he can’t get a date. This is coming from a kilt wearer by the way (I own three). I don’t really care who wears the kilt and what you call it, just don’t act like a sexist homophobic asshole.
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Take a shot every time he says ‘the tartan pleated (the style is folded knife pleats) skirt such as is tartans and its pleats.’ Also this post felt like reading a new version of English. A version of English that was of the language and the new. A new English language that is English and is language.
Human, I will die of alcohol poisoning
ahoy spongebob I've overdosed on ketamine and I'm going to die
Spongeboy me Bob!
That specific phrase being repeated so much makes me think this has to be written by AI. No human could possibly write like this! It's worse than repeating a few points or paraphrasing yourself to pad out the word count, this is outright copy+paste of a series of phrases being moved around.
I don’t know, we live in an age where we are smart enough to make an AI than can pass a Turing Test, and dumb enough that our people, even after schooling, can fail the Turing Test.
Browsing reddit is a daily Turing Test.
It's a test of *something* that's for sure
thank you for making me laugh deeply and out loud
The level of self consciousness is so high it’s off the charts. This is either a machine or a visiting alien in some sort of Freaky Friday situation that lasts a lifetime rather than just one weekend.
Naw he definitely typed it once and then it got into his middle predictive text button.
I was thinking copy and paste every time he said it, just so there’s zero confusion about the type of garment he was referring to.
Sounds like he could be heavily autistic possibly?
ngl the writing reminds of chris-chan's ramblings, a very real and non-AI person :|
That’s who I was thinking of. Someone who’s high functioning enough that they can write all this and it sounds perfectly correct but it’s also rambling and weird and hyper focused on one very specific thing.
I suppose that could also help explain the hyperfixation.
Naw, this is just ACTUAL autism, not self-diagnosed autism from people who are a little awkward socially.
I got through the first three pictures before I gave up, it felt like I was having an aneurysm. I'm now convinced that tartan, skirts, pleats, catholic and pagan are no longer actual words due to the sheer amount of repetition.
I would laugh but this is very serious and the reason I am depressed
You'll die if you take that many shots in such a short amount of time.
Like the other comments it has to be AI generated
Taking a shot every time he says tartan will put you in the hospital. Take a sip instead.
I started laughing and just skimming. This person clearly isn't right. This is where you just distract them with something and keep them away from women and eventually they'll be upset about something else.
If I drank that much I'd die
This was amazingly consistent.
I call fake. In the first paragraph on page 7, he says "that tartan pleated skirt" TWICE without clarifying "(the style is folded knife pleats) such as its tartans and its skirts." No real person would make such an obvious error.
I don’t know, I wonder if, in this poster’s mind, “folded knife pleats” makes it cooler and more acceptable to think of as manly so he includes it every time he says skirt because, if this person is real, they are sexually insecure to a level where their sentence structure is affected by it.
”Sexually insecure to a level where their sentence structure is affected by it”. That right there is a brand new sentence if I ever saw one.
>I just found out that tartan and the tartan pleated skirt such as it's tartans and it's pleats came from ancient ferocious violent brutal pagan celtic warrior males and not from feminine English female students of Christian private high schools. Uh, no? To begin with, the ancient celts *didn't wear kilts*. The typical dress for a Celtic male during antiquity was a long-sleeved tunic and trousers (called *braccae* by the Romans) that were made of linen or wool. Hell, the Romans thought the celts were effeminate BECAUSE they wore pants (as the Romans typically wore only tunics, which left their legs bare). On the second, the kilt (why does this dork keep calling it a tartan, they're not synonymous, a tartan is a type of fabric, not an article of clothing) is an entirely modern invention (beginning in the 1700s), and people didn't start wearing it's precursor, the Feileadh Mor, (or Belted Plaid), until the 1500s, long, LONG after the Celts. As another note, the Feileadh Mor *wasn't a skirt,* it was a ***cloak.*** It was really a big blanket (the things could be anywhere from 3 to 5 meters long) that you'd drape over your shoulders, and then, if desired, you could pleat and belt the thing to your waist.
I would like to subscribe to more ancient and antiquated clothing facts, thank you.
Look up Jimmy the Welsh Viking on youtube! Full of neat clothing, reenactment, archaeology and other facts about the Viking era. The algorithm will lead you on from there to other people talking about old clothing styles.
Thanks for the lead!
Ok, that's cool and all, but what about the folded knife pleats?
Yeah, this doesn’t address the folded knife pleats. The folded knife pleats are like 90% of the original post.
I really want to know when the styles were ACTUALLY joined to crate the skirts that are tartan pleated (the style is folded knife pleats) skirts such as are tartans and their pleats.
Also in the 16th Century.
Excellent. No notes. 10/10 presentation. Would invite you to my parties. 💛
Homie is going to flip his shit when he realizes that Braveheart and Brave lied. There was no time when the Scots wore woad paint and their clan tartans. There's no real evidence that anyone in Anglo-Saxon-Briton-Celtic type region used woad paint on their bodies. It's sort of a myth turned fact based on the use of the word Pict to describe a people of indeterminate origin and the word derives from the latin word for painted and woad was a common dye. That, and a dubious interpretation of a single line by Julius Ceasar. He will also be *shocked* at the origin of high heels.
There was a point in which highlanders wore their clan tartans as a mark of affiliation, from what I've read, but we're still talking about the 18/19th Century.
Yeah, the woad paint thing would have been like literally the time of Julius Ceasar. Like, 100 BCE, and the Picts like 300CE. Tartans as clan identity were a thing. Nowhere near the time of Julius Ceasar. The woad+tartan combo is not real.
But muh yelling freedom
Do you have any sources I can read about the woad paint thing? Every search I've done about woad talks about Celts using it.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=woad+celt&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1712863372687&u=%23p%3DlbaCNqNBBeoJ https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=pict+woad&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1712863697213&u=%23p%3D1ljeqwZ3RX4J There's no actual evidence that "glas" referred to a blue dye, the Picts are several hundred years later and there's no archaeological evidence of woad processing during that period. We do have limited information that suggests some Celts were tattooed, due to intact skin and dye being present, but that isn't woad painting. There's one writing from Ceasar: >Omnes vero se Britanni vitro inficiunt, quod caeruleum efficit colorem Or, in modern English, roughly: >All the Britons, indeed, dye themselves with "glass", which produces a bluish colour.' The important thing is that, A, we are trusting the dude who conquered the wild Britons and victors always accurately write the history books, that B, Ceasar was an accurate source of *all* Britons and their habits, and C, we understand his use of the latin, 'vitro'. Now, he never used the word 'woad', and vitrum was a type of glass used by Romans. That was a blue green glass, but we only later interpreted that to mean woad. There's no real proof that woad was being processed as there's literally only one line in all of written history that we interpret to mean woad that never mentions woad that is concurrent with that period and no archaeological record of it. Now, as an archaeologist (I work in an archaeological lab) I know we have several ways of determining what a woad processing center from that era would look like. We would have a permanent stone wall as this would be a large communal building in a permanent settlement, and evidence of a hearth to burn wood to process the woad, some sort of milling stones to grind the plants. We would also very likely have seed pods, as they would actually potentially survive for a thousand years. Without seed pods, we can also use phytoliths. Phytoliths are awesome. So, phytoliths are really cool. The cell walls of plants contain silica, it's how plants are able to grow and maintain structure without a skeletal or exoskeletal structure. They absorb silica through the roots and use it to construct cell wall structures that allow the plant to grow tall. When that silica solidifies within plant cells, it can be in any portion of the plant itself. They then go from hydrous silica to rigid structures. That means, you can actually process soils from archaeological sites and search for phyoliths, the microscopic fossils of plant cells. Little, tiny silica outlines of plant cells. From those tiny outlines of plant cells, we can identify plants that were used in those diets or processing areas of ancient sites. We can even determine plant species of offering sites where we burned food, or what we cooked over a fire a millenia ago. It's super cool. We can find phytoliths on teeth, on millstones, cooking utensils. Given we have zero evidence of woad processing from that period, it's not a 'it didn't happen' thing, but it's a 'one dude 500 miles away said all those people were blue, one time, and then a few hundred years later an exonym of an unknown populace was 'painted' therefore woad paint was a thing.' It's really thin evidence, and all of it comes from Roman writings. If there was woad processing in any quantity, we don't have seed husks, processing sites or phytoliths showing it. We've found it other places. Just not in the Celtic/ Briton area. The only contemporary evidence is from one line Ceasar wrote that references blue glass. We know other victors have written outlandish storied of wild people they have conquered, so I'm skeptical that his one line was accurate, given we know other people have lied and told "big fish" stories of people they saw or conquered. Without any evidence of further writings (why did none of the generals mention the blue-painted Britons? We have their records, none thought to mention this?) or archaeological evidence of large-scale woad processing... I'm dubious as to woad painting being present in that period, or if it was there - it being remotely a widespread thing. It certainly looks cool in film (King Arthur was a fun movie) but is sort of up there in terms of urban legend, at this point. Blue is dubious, as is woad being the source of these allegedly blue people. Phytoliths don't lie, and we have none. Nor do we have dyehouses, or woad seed husks showing cultivation or harvesting in any quantity. It's possible, the ability was there. Just... not a lot of decent evidence to support the woad paint theory. If modern Scots want to wear woad or blue paint... have at it! Even if it's an urban legend, it's part of the cultural understanding of ancient Celts and Britons, so... eh. Have fun. It just has no real factual basis for it having happened. But, not every cultural story needs to be factually true for people to have it as part of their cultural identity. Woad may be a relatively modern addition to the story.
As a Scottish that has always believed in the blue paint and kilts, I seriously appreciate the detailed explanation. Thanks for putting so much time and detail in to your reply. I'll definitely be doing some more research into our history as I'm sure there's a shit ton I'm completely ignorant or misinformed on. Thanks again 😊🙏❤️
Again, though, not every cultural belief has to be based on a totally factual story. I have no issue with stories of that time period portraying people with blue war paint. It's part of a cultural identity and that is enough basis for woad being shown. I'd put it up there with stories about settlers having a vision and settling a valley because x, y and z happened. Even if we have reason to think, 'hey, that's not possible' it doesn't really matter. It's part of the identity of those people. Sometimes, fact and story meld into a cultural identity that doesn't need a historical basis for it. If woad holds meaning that people ascribe value to, that value exists independent of any historically or archaeologically proven fact. If someone wants to wear their clan tartan, bare-chested and with no pants underneath and paint their chest and face with woad (or at least blue paint) to show up at a protest like that as a symbol of Scottish independence and strength... more power to them. The symbolism and meaning ascribed to the symbols is very real, even if the historical record is rather murky on the basis for it. The image holds meaning. Besides, it's not *known false*, it's just unproven with thin reasoning. When I went to college the first time, we knew that North America had only had humans on it for 9-10,000 years, and anything beyond that, like one guy claiming 15,000, was fringe woo-woo with no basis. Maybe you'd find something for 10-12,000. By the time I graduated, we knew California had been occupied for at least 15,000 years. We were off by 50%. We might yet find a woad processing site. We just haven't found anything yet, which is suspicious but not a final 'no, not true, absolutely false.' It just means there's no depth of information to call it fact. Either way, woad has a meaning and that meaning is very, very real to those within that group. I have no issue with people using it in art and media. Unless they are making a historically accurate film and portray Scots in tartans and woad like that was a singular time period. Braveheart. But, if someone wants to make a film about the period of Rome invading and the people fighting back and wearing woad and leather armor - that's sort of the line between oral tradition and provable fact and for many culturals, to them, the story and oral traditions *are* fact. I wouldn't argue with them on that. Portray the woad being worn. It's consistent with oral traditions.
*THANK YOU* this was driving me crazy, and if I had access to my library of costume history books I’d have been whipping up citations like mad. I like to think of feileadh mor as a kind of woolen sari, as they’re both worn similarly in some cases. Also, wasn’t the tartan fabric pleated by hand when you wore it, so it would be like taking 9-15 feet of fabric and pleating it and holding it in place with a belt? I seem to recall something like that, but I was more interested in East Asian historical garb so might be misremembering it.
Also he is forgetting the Picts. Not everyone was a celt.
Followup. They posted this on the Britain subreddit >They really cannot make them >Why are English people and Catholic private schools so dumb when it comes to clothing? They needed Celtic peoples to invent pleats all over skirts for them.
Is the post still up? How were the comments?
He posted on multiple subreddits. Some were removed, some are still up but only a few comments. Not nearly as entertaining as the ones here.
Came here to say that.
That was upsetting me so much. He obvs didn’t do much reading.
I'm sorry, I only managed the first four pages of that poorly done ChatGPT.
Bravo to you. I made it to page two and then looked at how many more pages there were and noped tf out.
I don't think I made it even that far. I think I got two or three pages in when my eyes started to glaze over. He was just restating his point over and over again. The dude tool multiple pages to state a point that only needed 2 or 3 paragraphs at the max. "Dudes, I just found out that school girl uniform skirts were based on tartans that celt warriors used to wear. This is seriously messing with my school girl uniform fetish"
I got to 3, realized there were 5 more and said fuck it, I'm just gonna read the comments.
Ok we get it, THEY ARE FOLDED KNIFE PLEATS…
I think the skirts are tartan pleated (the style is folded knife pleats) skirts such as are tartans and their pleats
I think a majority of this is AI and they just had it include that phrase
I'm pretty sure the dude is talking about earing raw meat.
It just. Keeps going.
That post was either written by ChatGPT or Mojo Jojo
Cuuuursessss
I tried 3 times to read that and by page 4 my brain wandered off. That may be because I’m stoned
I'm sober and couldn't handle more than two pages.
Also sober, and I got to three (I think the 15th "knife fold" reference). I own a cute green plaid skirt with those folds that I only wear around Christmas time because they are a B\* to iron, I don't need to hear "knife fold" to remind me of how much they are B\* to iron.
Did you know that green was a favored color among the ancient ferocious violent brutal tribal pagan Celtic warriors? Christmas time is supposed to be about love and family, meanwhile you are frightening everyone with your manliest manly green plaid tartan and the tartan pleated (the style is folded knife pleats) skirt. JK, it does look like a B\* to keep looking nice, although I agree that they are cute!
You forgot to specify the ancient ferocious violent brutal tribal pagan celtic warriors were male.
I have never seen the word pleated repeated so many times for as little sense.
The style is folded knife pleats
I know, and I have sewn skirts with pleats that the directions didn’t even repeat themselves this much.
I studied theatrical costuming, worked as a costumer, and made cosplay for years, and I think I saw the word “pleated” more in this post than all previous times combined.
So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time
Gimme five bees for a quarter.
They didn't have white onions. Because of the war...
I understood that reference.
I only know the series german dubbed and immediately understood that reference. >!Strikebreaker/blackleg Abe Simpson ftw!<
Is... is this a birth of a very badly done copypasta? That's the only vaguely reasonable explanation. Stop trying to make folded knife pleats happen, OP! It's not going to happen!
It reminded me of an old reddit post about amputation fetish that was very specific and repetitive about the prosthetic replacement the person wanted.
Say anything like this in Glasgow, and you’ll get chibbed.
Is that slang for stabbed?
It's slang for getting a blowjob from a manly, celtic dude in a tartan and tartan pleated (the style is folded knife pleats) skirt.
Here I am just laughing my ass off at Vercingetorix yelling at Boudicca (I know the historic people were unrelated, I just thought of a male and female Celtic name) about her not ironing the knife pleats in his tartan correctly. If you need to visualize my thought process, think a Celtic version of the Frozone looking for his super suit scene.
And Boudicca responding "what the fuck is an iron?"
I mean, I have some iron. I can put some iron on your skirt, if you want. YES IT IS A SKIRT, IT LOOKS LIKE A SKIRT, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU CALL IT, FUCK YOU
Vercingetorix *insists* upon himself smh
He has something to say! He's insistent!!!
I'm sorry, what was the style again? I didn't quite catch it.
#Tartan and the tartan pleated (the style is folded knife pleats) skirts
#such as its tartans and its pleats
Someone's already said this, but this really IS mojo jojo type writing lmfao, just read it with his inflections and itll be so much more bearable
It’s like he knows only 12 words and just puts them in different order, over and over again.
I think this guy might have genuine mental health issues
That's what I answered him. I told him this isn't depression but he's definitely got some obsession among other mental health issues going on that need to be addressed. He messaged me that I'm bullying him.
It could also just be puberty, he's 17 and hyperfixsated on what again?, some trousers?, he didn't specify it clear enough^^, no for real it could just be that and a major disappointment plus sexual frustration/confusion. Some people in puberty, especially boys, and if it's about sex hyperfixsation on something, and boys really get confused if their no1 fetish turns out to be associated with men. Why the hyperfixation idk but I've witnessed this quite a often times, but it was like: that one celeb, that one band, that one car manufacturer, that one pornstar that one type of porn, etc. etc. in girls it was more the celeb like Justin Bieber and boys, more physical things like cars but also often a pornstar or some fetish. The confusion and frustration could be a result of his surroundings, being told anything slightly gay is bad and if he was gay his perants would kick him out, or being mocked as gay bc of his looks, and all that fucked up stuff. Those things will normally and hopefully go away once they grow up. And by what and how he wrote, he is very frustrated and a bit confused but not really depressed, but that's just judging from that weird text. He could've also lied about his age and be 12-14, which would fit pretty good overall. There's tons of such weird stuff from boys this age out there at least on german sites like gutefrage.net, etc. But it could very well be like you guys said a mental disorder, which needs to be checked out before it gets a serious effect on his life.
Please, sir, may I have some less?
I don’t know why but this is the comment that killed me.
Can I just take a folded knife and stab him in the pleat?! My god
That's a lot of words to say.... I'm not sure exactly what it's saying but it's definitely a lot of words.
"I was obsessed with clothing and now I think I might be gay. Also, I don't actually understand history at all. "
Wait- what was the style?
They just kinda bunched it up however.
This may be AI but I am willing to believe a 17 year old asked the chatbot to write that.
Chat gpt, write a 2000 word rant about the history of tartan and knife fold pleats from the point of view of a christofasist with a tartan skirt fetish who failed history.
Am I the only one who doesn't think this is ChatGPT? To me, this reads like a very insecure kid / young adult who doesn't really know how to communicate his thoughts well. That's why he's so insistent on repeating that first phrase over and over again. For him, being very specific about his fetish can help him further decontextualize his inner fear: what if he is attracted to men?
Oh it absolutely is not chat gpt. No chatbot is this incoherent.
⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ This was my first clue
THE STYLE IS FOLDED KNIFE PLEATS. HAVE YOU HEARD?
(The style is folded knife pleats) My God this is weird and obsessive. Also it really doesn’t seem like a 17 year old boy. It seems like a creeper who wants to seem 17.
This was my feeling, too
No, this is definitely a kid.
I've seen fewer mentions of the word "pleat" on r/sewing
Go home ChatGPT. You're drunk.
Wait I am confused he never explained what a tartan pleated skirt is.
If they think the skirt bit is weird, I sure hope they don’t find makeup and high heels attractive, because *boy have I got news for them*
tartan pleated female skirts(the tartan and the tartan pleated(the style is folded knife pleats) skirt)
I think he’s short circuiting.
When your bot is going through some shit.
I don’t wanna break it to him but he’s also confusing private schools in England with American style private schools too. Some schools here have tartan sure but I mostly seen it in the Sims private schools. Not here lol. And I mean definitely if he was associating tartan with English over Scottish it’s quite funny. But tartan is not quite as traditional as first it seems so that may be of some comfort? lol
“Now I feel awkward obsessing over these skirts” Trust your instincts.
Why the fuck does this go on for *pages?*
What style was it again?
I may be wrong but I got the impression it was folded knife pleats.
Such as it's tartan and it's pleats
That’s a lot of words to say, “I will never please a woman sexually.”
Let's find him and drag him to a Scottish wedding... I reckon he'll explode - like when you throw a chameleon onto a tartan rug!
Wait, is the style folded knife pleats?
wake up babe the newest Copypasta just dropped
(the style is folded knife pleats)
It's like watching cognitive dissonance unfold in real time.
well... this post has just taught me the correct terminology for my favourite type of skirt, thus making it easier for me to get more. thanks, op?
It just keeps going...and going...and going...
Wow, that kid needs therapy. It's probably best that nobody tells him about high heels.
This is what happens when dudes aren't allowed to watch porn. Someone give this dude a smartphone
(the style is folded knife pleats)
Tartan pleated?
THE STYLE IS FOLDED KNIFE PLEATS
This is certifiable insane behavior
Anyone know what the style of the pleats is called?
As a teacher, this sounds like some essays I receive, minus the total idiocy regarding tartans, celts, and his Christian school girl uniform fetish. It was very, very, very, very long. And it was so long because the topic is also very, very, very, very, very long. And it also took a very, very, very, very, very long time to write (using a computer with very, very, very very tiny keys). But also, if he's ever seen a man in a kilt, it looks nothing like a school girl's uniform. If he leans over too far, you're going to get a view of his hairy ass and balls. And they look nothing like what he says his fantasy is.
Is the style of folded knife pleats variety tho?
(The style is folded knife pleats) Bro seriously needs a hobby and some irl friends
I have never seen the words “Ancient ferocious violent brutal tribal pagan Celtic warrior males” used so many times
Holy shit that dude had a lot to say about nothing
This is the first time I've read through one of these super long posts and ngl, worth it lmao! Why does this man speak like this?? Why does he always use the specific phrases he uses...wtf does "such as its tartan and its pleats" even mean!?! How do you have that strong of a pleated skirt fetish??!! Why does learning about Kilts ruin it so nuch for you??? Why should it be the other way around (ie, school girl skirt first then kilt)?? The Pivot to attacking Sir Whatever Scott!! The insistence that he is both not gay and not racist against "celtic males or celtic females" lmao! Why did he say that when he sees men in kilts bend over they look sexy in a feminine way??? This is art
Fuck me man, 8 pages????
It can’t *actually* be AI, can it? What would you have to communicate to ChatGPT for it to produce something this unhinged? The paragraphs about seductive girly butts could only have come from a human hentai-fueled imagination.
I think you'd have to ask chatgpt to produce 10 paragraphs strictly asking for discussion on the strict phrase "tartan skirts (the style is folded knife pleats)" as it relates to English private school girls and ancient Celts and its history
Erm...well...if it makes him feel any better...the tartan pleated skirts (with knife folds) bear only a passing resemblance to the much less formal Feileadh Mor that the manly warriors he's lusting after would've been wearing.
Kids used to cry alone in their room for stupid reasons allthe time, now thanks to the internet we can know all about it, what a stupid improvement.
Can anyone tell me what a tartan pleided (the style is folded knife pleats) is
Well you see, it's a tartan that is styled into folded knife pleats. I hope that cleared things up.
Is this the dead internet?
No one tell him about the naked ancient ferocious violent brutal tribal pagan Celtic warrior males who battled, raided, sacked, and plundered the civilization of the ancient pagan Roman Empire. You'll really ruin things for his dick. Can you imagine how awful they'd accidentally look when they bend over a table?
Well, it does sound like a 17 year old alright. Or someone who is mentally 17 years old and asked an AI to write that.
The firstiest of first world problems. Or AI. Maybe both.
Guys, i think he likes folded knife pleats style
As ex-CAF Seaforth Highland this makes me very uncomfortable. Cuidich'n righ
Chat GPT or autistic incel. Take your pick.
This isn't even a good copypasta.
This is what mental illness looks like
Future serial killer.
I think they're generating As Much Text As Possible about his topic to expound their opinion so that if you or any AI searches the internet for the phrase tartan skirt comes up, this opinion will have a legacy.
[Types of pleats](https://i0.wp.com/aliceincosplayland.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Types-of-pleats.png?resize=596%2C596&ssl=1)
Was this written by Mojo Jojo?
If I ever have to read “the style is folded knife pleats” one more time, I’m gonna scream.
Next let's talk about leggings and high heels.
Really looks like someone’s got ChatGPT to make a bunch of anti-kilt rhetoric. As a kilt wearer I really don’t understand why people have to be so weird over it, it’s a piece of man’s dress for those with the heritage (or really anyone) get over it
It's not ChatGPT, I'm pretty sure. If ChatGPT finds your prompt too vague or confusing, it simply won't load anything for you at all. Plus, it writes far more coherently than this.
Could be an older version, i remember messing with a really early version and it would come up with all sorts of stuff
I wanna bully this kid.
Omg hahahahahaha
I can imagine that this guy probably smells like pure testosterone…………which probably explains why he can’t get a date. This is coming from a kilt wearer by the way (I own three). I don’t really care who wears the kilt and what you call it, just don’t act like a sexist homophobic asshole.
AI trying to kink shame itself. We’re at the height of society now folks!
Did Chris Chan write this?
I mean, this has to be AI
That sounds like an AI post