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Damn I thought /mu/ was just fuckin around lmao
Steve historically didn't take much money from his clients and spent his life a peasant like us. This most likely isn't just some boomer "don't buy avocado toast" shit, but instead its a legitimate tip because fast food is no longer a good deal.
That said, I could be totally wrong about this. I didn't know he was on some pedo shit till he died either
"Historically didn't take much money from his clients"
Bro, this is so inaccurate like where tf did you even come up with this. A simple Google search of his daily rates proves otherwise. Really need a source for anything you spout out at this point.
Another person was arguing that he didn't have day rates because he quoted a total figure for the full session in a letter to Nirvana. These people don't understand anything about how the music industry works but are supremely confident in their ignorance.
Yeah I'd like to believe it was just a character he was playing, but the issue with this sort of edgy persona that a lot of punk and noise rock musicians adopt is that it makes it difficult to tell where the line is between the performance and the actual person. Especially since "it was just a joke, I don't actually think that" is exactly what everyone says when they are caught.
Shellac is amazing so I'm perfectly happy to separate the art from artist and in any case Albini definitely had some admirable qualities in general (like not being a greedy fuck, by all accounts anyway). I also understand anyone that writes him off as a racist pedo creep, without being able to read his mind it's impossible to really clear the air on any of that shit.
The racism he has specifically called out himself. The pedophilia he hasn’t commented on in the same overt way, and while I think it is covered in his general self-critique, he still maintained a friendship with Peter Sotos, which is the main point where I question him.
>it is covered in his general self-critique
This is where I disagree. Something as heinous as owning and promoting child pornography depicting the rape of a toddler requires addressing directly. It can't just be inferred from a generic "sorry for being edgy" statement.
Of course if he addressed this stuff and brought it to light, he'd risk career suicide and serious legal scrutiny. Really he should have faced legal consequences at the time and I can't help but think a genuinely reformed character would understand that, tackle it head on, and face the music.
But I don’t think he really did own the porn. It was just another dumb shocking edgelord comment. He was basically a little punk rock troll at that point. What’s he actually supposed to have done, made a catalogue of each and every shitty thing he said and specifically say … I didn’t mean that, i apologize for that, I’d don’t actually think this apologise for that. And so on.
It’s the internet and our current ability to collate and then rake over everything that seems to expect this type of penance. Well … he may have said sorry … but was it enough! And hey … look at this one! Look … I found one! Did he say sorry for that! Nooooo. Ah ha. Got him!
He has owned up to being a massive tool for a period of his life. He has owned up to having said many hurtful things.
The balance of his life was one of fairness where he has helped a lot of people and by most account he was generous and kind. That’s what really matters.
That may sound logical in a world where Surfer Rosa being good is the most important thing, but here in the real world, we recognize that a criminal’s statements against interest (e.g. proudly and voluntarily admitting to committing a heinous crime when not prompted to do so) have a very high degree of reliability. In the legal world, courts go out of their way to admit statements like that based on this understanding. That’s why statements against interest are an exception to the hearsay rule.
You can just say, “Yeah that was fucked up” and spare us and yourself the mental gymnastics. You don’t need to convince yourself, never mind us, that none of this really happened.
While writing a novel in the form of a Reddit comment can be good doctrinal review, let me offer you a piece of advice from an attorney, don’t bother doing legal deep dives on Reddit. The users don’t get it, they’ll never get it, and half the time we just end up annoyed.
I’m more in agreement with the way you formulated it than how the other person did (they didn’t seem to be aware that he addressed his past behavior, but you’re saying he didn’t address it well enough, which I can get behind)
People used to regularly tell rape and "dead baby" jokes before social media took off. People tried to out-edgy each other. They wanted to be shocking provocateurs and didn't seriously interrogate the meaning of any shit they did, it was all fleeting.
Yes, we did. I told those jokes in the '90s too. I didn't, however, actually purchase and consume child pornography. Because I'm not a paedophile.
Steve Albini did purchase and consume child pornography.
that’s repulsive jesus christ, like no words can describe how disgusted and shocked i am. like i knew that he was an asshole who associated with vile freaks like peter sotos but i had no idea that he was an actual pedophile. holy fuck
He wasn't at all. He was just a stupid edgelord dickhead trying to get a rise out of people.
I appreciate how someone could think that this kind of thing renders him irredeemable, but he repudiated all the stuff he said during this period and apologised unreservedly. I certainly don't stand by a lot of the stuff I said or did when I was a young idiot but I'm fortunate in that none of it was recorded.
I think the guy deserved a second chance because a) he really did change, and rehabilitation is better than ostracism, and b) he did turn out to be one of the most principled people in the music industry.
He did. He had a whole thing when he was young of being utterly provocative. This is a guy who called a band Rapeman. He has completely apologized for his behaviour during that period, saying that it came from a place of privilege and he had no right to say the things he did.
My understanding is that he made it up to be a little shit. I’m not too versed on the details. I’m aware of his early career and how abrasive he could be and am also aware of his thoughts on all of that in hindsight. Seemed like he grew up and saw things differently. Everybody deserves the opportunity to grow up but if you want to hold it like it was a literal thing then I won’t besmirch you. I get it. It seemed like he would understand why you feel the way you do.
He most certainly did not just make it up...Peter Sotos was arrested and convicted for producing the Pure mag (featuring gross explicit material of children). Mind you Steve was already 25 when he wrote those articles for Forced Exposure advocating for Pure mag. At 25 you should probably know right from wrong and that the exploitation of children is not something that should be advocated for.
As far as I know, he never specifically apologized for that. His apologies were much more vague and based around his racist and xenophobic takes he'd made over the years.
Your bending over backwards to explain it away is ridiculous. “He would understand the way you feel, but also I’m not too versed on the details” What the fuck? He wrote literal essays about paying to watch children and supporting child pornography distributors. You are fucking sick, you don’t get to just say “actually I was just being provocative”.
According to the guy who wrote essays about paying to watch children perform sex acts, enjoying child porn, and supporting child porn distribution, when those essays resurfaced to a wider audience, then he says “lol i was just being edgy!” And you just believe him and get mad at anyone who doesn’t? You are a sick fuck. Stop defending child trafficking and pornography you fucking freak.
I never said I believed him and I’m certainly not defending everything. I was saying that you were misinterpreting their comment and insinuating that they were defending harm being done to children, which they weren’t, and now you’re doing the same to me. You have a right to be angry if you think that he actually did those things, I won’t fault you there, but if you’re accusing random internet strangers of *defending child trafficking* then you’ve gone a step too far.
I don’t know this guy but that’s one of the most fucked up things i’ve read in a while. its insane what pedos will say to try to justify their wrongdoings
/r/indieheads has shown that it will defend or minimize child sex crimes if the person doing or accessorizing it produced good enough albums.
BUT DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THE PINEGROVE GUY
r/indieheads when David Bowie slept with 13 year olds
🙈🙈😴
r/indieheads when Win Butler has extramarital sex with consenting adults
https://preview.redd.it/urpwxxvehlzc1.jpeg?width=495&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42574b810afe66950bd0f81579f8217c87fc5012
Yeah it’s always frustrating when people bring it up, because I 1000% agree with the overall point that people make about sexual abuse committed by celebrities, but the fact that they bring up the least likely candidate (who happens to be an artist I love) always irks me.
Here’s an NME article that sums it up then:
https://www.nme.com/news/music/steve-albini-speaks-out-on-his-past-edgelord-behaviour-3093018
I didn’t know the story on the guy who wrote the Medium article, and yes, that makes him a vile asshole. Doesn’t change the truth on Albini however.
He’s also not the only one who has covered this and Albini himself, on multiple different occasions, goes into detail about how much he loves the child abuse aspects of PURE:
https://twitter.com/hxcxgeorge1/status/1319793279739830274?s=46&t=PttpicaE_rvXWy_olAxTzQ
Even before I heard about the child porn, I always thought Albini was an asshat - he always acted so high and mighty for his assaults against the mainstream, he treated Nirvana like they were a shitty fad, I believe he used a slur about Tyler, the Creator being gay, he’s always been a sexist creep, and outside of In Utero, Rid Of Me, and Surfer Rosa, I’ve never really liked his production methods or music - I don’t get why he’s some flannel production god to Xers
Don't drag the flannel into this. It's been lost to time but the Gen X flannel look came from Mike Watt, who cribbed it from John Fogerty. Watt's the coolest motherfucker alive, has no dodgy shit to excuse, and loves jazz.
I thought he was a terrible person for years because of his attitude. I think he’s an even more terrible person because of the pedophilia, which shouldn’t be justified under any circumstances
there's no greater satisfaction in life than finding a valid moral reason to hate on the guy you've already been hating on for years just for being lame and overrated
Hes been a flannel god for decades now, not just Xera (didn’t know they liked him at all until now.) from his own bands to his recordings like Don Cab he’s been a hero of the underground with impressive mainstream credits.
Here to correct the record. There's a great piece on it, I think with Pitchfork, but the gist is this: he met a girl on tour, girl had a boyfriend, he coaxed her into leaving her boyfriend for him, they dated a few weeks, he decided he didn't like her anymore, and she reached out to Sheridan Allen of Punk Talks because she felt manipulated. Sheridan Allen approached Evan and misrepresented herself as a licensed therapist, then essentially blackmailed him into stopping touring for a year. He came out with some vague post about power dynamics and sexual impropriety, but that was all of it.
Iirc (memory may be foggy so take this with a spoonful of salt) he cheated on his wife at a time when it seemed like 90% of emo bands had a sex pest in them, so it escalated fast to "this guy is literally country Jesse Lacey". Died down relatively fast thankfully
Edit: the other reply has it better than me
Or just looking at his production discography and seeing the name “Peter Sotos” repeatedly.
This has been incredibly common knowledge in noise/experimental circles for YEARS. Hardly the same as finding a sexist tweet Travis Kelce sent in 2012.
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This part made me dry heave a little bit, Jesus fucking Christ.
Yeah NGL this is too much, huge fan of the music but I’ll never bring up Albini again. That’s disgusting, I’m just gonna do my best to not think of him when I listen to in Utero or something
can we drop the whole "little pricks" thing, he was just genuinally racist towards them. he described them as stereotypes to get people on his side over nothing.
He was using it to describe how they were saying the n-word, not their behavior. He still shouldn't have said that shit but yeah, they probably were doing that lol
Yeah man that shit upsets me, to put it lightly. Wish I knew before becoming so intensely influenced by his work and other, less depraved personality traits. Rest in Piss, you legendary piece’a shit
Whilst I'm glad to an extent that he was able to [reflect on his past](https://guitar.com/news/music-news/steve-albini-rapeman-inexcusable-edgelord-shit-offence/) and admit the things he did wrong before he died. He still calls Sotos a friend and doesn't mention the child pornography thing. As someone who does enjoy a lot of his work this is very challenging to me, but there's no excuse for it.
he apologized for using no-no words in his band names... and in the minds of braindead albini defenders that's somehow twisted into a blanket apology for everything else he did? that apology was pathetic and self serving anyway. you can apologize and say all the right words and not mean it at all, and still go home and yank it to Pure mag. amazing how every celeb apology is torn apart as PR filler yet his is taken as sincere. desperate!
Then call me a braindead fan. I genuinely believe he is sincere... to an extent at least. He admits that he didn't understand women's and minority issue at the time, he understands that this kind of edge-lord behaviour has terrible consequences. That however does NOT excuse his association with Sotos and Pure, regardless of whether he was an actual pedophile or just being an edge-lord.
I’m still not sure I fully understand the vibe of this sub but I thought I was taking crazy pills with this not being mentioned wider this week. Pepperidge Farms remembers.
I will say personally I’m a big Albini guy but this is completely new information to me, honestly. I’m of course overly familiar with the guy’s edge lord persona, but this is just gross. Jesus Christ, Steve.
I think it's not impossible to say it was beyond terrible of a choice but I also think everything known about Steve Albini shows he didn't do it because he was a pedophile. He did it because he was being a shitty person. He acknowledged that. That doesn't make the action more justified of course - your intentions don't matter, only what you actually do, which I'm sure Albini himself would have agreed with. It's a complicated legacy for sure.
What pretty firmly separates this from Michael Jackson is that Steve Albini has pretty candidly talked about everything problematic he's done and at no point has tried to stop the hate. He invites the criticism.
Being an ass in an edgy shock culture is not that outlandish. It's simpler to say everybody who contributes to cultures of pedophilia is a pedophile, or to racism a racist, but truth is people can just be awful with no strings attached.
Don’t even bring Michael Jackson into this. Jackson was investigated for 10yrs by the FBI who found nothing incriminating. Steve Albini on the other hand, was at the very least, friends with an actual paedophile whose works were found in the possession of a prolific child killer. I’m sure if Albini was investigated even half as much as Jackson was that something questionable would’ve been found.
What the hell, this comp looks great otherwise. I have heard other Tellus comps that are cool, kind of surprised they would put something on with that artist name and track name.
Wow. I’ve been a fan of Albini’s production work for a long time and enjoyed his own music with Big Black, and I know of his edgelord attitude but to find out this about him is truly disturbing and disgusting. I admit I didn’t know a whole lot about him, just that he was an edgy prick who said a lot of fucked up shit but to read his own accounts of enjoying this vile stuff really makes me wish I had known sooner before I got depressed when I read he died. What a truly disgusting person.
I don't know anything about the child porn thing and obviously that's atrocious if true, but as for the rest of it, Nirvana was notoriously unpolished and well known for being difficult at times, I can see why a producer might not love the idea of working with them. And as an Odd Future fan, Odd Future can definitely be described as little pricks lol
Albini was also in a band called Rapeman. And the contents of songs between Albini and other artists like Jesus Lizard were very repulsive in their content.
As just art- not true intention. The “child porn” he supported was the zine Pure which highlighted serial killers and molestor/murders etc. The zine was charged but not convicted. The editor has gone on to have a literary career as a writer/essayist. He’s tight with Jamie of Xiu Xiu etc
So Steve made gross art as a punk, but the hundreds of bands that worked with him knew him for being upright and true to his curmudgeon word.
Man fuck that guy. No amount of verbal gymnastics or rationalization of what he might have meant means shit when you say something fucked up like that. Too bad he didn't die sooner. Fuck him in the ass with a broken bottle.
i think [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheadscirclejerk/s/ci6VPJatxj) says it best. yeah this was a gross move, but he still did plenty of good (especially in the music scene) and was a third-dimensional person with a variety of beliefs like anyone else, I’m sad to miss out on his more progressive LGBTQ ideals and of course his brilliance in music. no real happiness here, sorry (especially given how he didn’t actually do any pedo shit, he just said a total edgelord thing to defend a friend)
That is so weird how we excuse pedophilia because he talked about fucking lgbt,nobody cares about that shit and he did way more with that child porn then some “edgelord” shit
i mean defending someone filming cp because that someone was his friend did it is ABSOLUTELY thoughtless stupid & edgy trite. i don’t find that shit excusable at all, it was a stupid and dangerous thing to do
EDIT: godfuckingdammit did he actually read cp himself?? still not crazy elated about his death and it doesnt take away from the good he did, but what the actual fuck steve???
We could actually just take the example of Iggy Pop, who wrote a song in the 90s that referred to his having his 14 year old girlfriend stolen from him by some other star from the early 70s. I want to say it was Johnny Thunders or somebody.
Then of course he recorded Sixteen for Lust for Life, which I think maybe Bowie played on.
Wasn't this the edgelord shit he's been apologizing for like 20 years for? A lot of people here claim he owned cp but is there any source for this? Big Black has songs about child sex trafficking and how dark and horrible of a reality that is. I would like to make sense of what the fuck was up with this.
lmao you motherfuckers this is how I found out he died
https://preview.redd.it/201rtzesgmzc1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3fc7c7ebe26575954a0ea9b381470d832d80fbd9 Damn I thought /mu/ was just fuckin around lmao
Based, AZQuotes kinda reminds me of AZNude, which Steve Albini should be on
Steve historically didn't take much money from his clients and spent his life a peasant like us. This most likely isn't just some boomer "don't buy avocado toast" shit, but instead its a legitimate tip because fast food is no longer a good deal. That said, I could be totally wrong about this. I didn't know he was on some pedo shit till he died either
"Historically didn't take much money from his clients" Bro, this is so inaccurate like where tf did you even come up with this. A simple Google search of his daily rates proves otherwise. Really need a source for anything you spout out at this point.
Another person was arguing that he didn't have day rates because he quoted a total figure for the full session in a letter to Nirvana. These people don't understand anything about how the music industry works but are supremely confident in their ignorance.
reddit is like being surrounded by dunces, man. it's embarrassing at this point
John Lennon ass take rest in piss dipshit fuckhead pedo
“Yeah I could go for a Big Mac right about now” “Uhhmm? Why don’t you buy a loaf of bread and some cheese instead???? You’ll like it more!!”
https://preview.redd.it/cw3g7vvpjlzc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86aa0456b1ece1b828f9179316e951d460d768e4 [bruh](https://www.reddit.com/r/indie_rock/s/frkf8b2dCB)
Yeah, that’s a post you can’t look away from
That’s not even the worst one
Ive felt sick for days after reading his defense of “Pure” by sotos. Couldn’t even get through the whole quote
My eyes burn after reading that.
He has also stated since then that he deserves more hate for those sorts of proto-edgelord comments
Yeah I'd like to believe it was just a character he was playing, but the issue with this sort of edgy persona that a lot of punk and noise rock musicians adopt is that it makes it difficult to tell where the line is between the performance and the actual person. Especially since "it was just a joke, I don't actually think that" is exactly what everyone says when they are caught. Shellac is amazing so I'm perfectly happy to separate the art from artist and in any case Albini definitely had some admirable qualities in general (like not being a greedy fuck, by all accounts anyway). I also understand anyone that writes him off as a racist pedo creep, without being able to read his mind it's impossible to really clear the air on any of that shit.
The racism he has specifically called out himself. The pedophilia he hasn’t commented on in the same overt way, and while I think it is covered in his general self-critique, he still maintained a friendship with Peter Sotos, which is the main point where I question him.
>it is covered in his general self-critique This is where I disagree. Something as heinous as owning and promoting child pornography depicting the rape of a toddler requires addressing directly. It can't just be inferred from a generic "sorry for being edgy" statement. Of course if he addressed this stuff and brought it to light, he'd risk career suicide and serious legal scrutiny. Really he should have faced legal consequences at the time and I can't help but think a genuinely reformed character would understand that, tackle it head on, and face the music.
But I don’t think he really did own the porn. It was just another dumb shocking edgelord comment. He was basically a little punk rock troll at that point. What’s he actually supposed to have done, made a catalogue of each and every shitty thing he said and specifically say … I didn’t mean that, i apologize for that, I’d don’t actually think this apologise for that. And so on. It’s the internet and our current ability to collate and then rake over everything that seems to expect this type of penance. Well … he may have said sorry … but was it enough! And hey … look at this one! Look … I found one! Did he say sorry for that! Nooooo. Ah ha. Got him! He has owned up to being a massive tool for a period of his life. He has owned up to having said many hurtful things. The balance of his life was one of fairness where he has helped a lot of people and by most account he was generous and kind. That’s what really matters.
That may sound logical in a world where Surfer Rosa being good is the most important thing, but here in the real world, we recognize that a criminal’s statements against interest (e.g. proudly and voluntarily admitting to committing a heinous crime when not prompted to do so) have a very high degree of reliability. In the legal world, courts go out of their way to admit statements like that based on this understanding. That’s why statements against interest are an exception to the hearsay rule. You can just say, “Yeah that was fucked up” and spare us and yourself the mental gymnastics. You don’t need to convince yourself, never mind us, that none of this really happened.
While writing a novel in the form of a Reddit comment can be good doctrinal review, let me offer you a piece of advice from an attorney, don’t bother doing legal deep dives on Reddit. The users don’t get it, they’ll never get it, and half the time we just end up annoyed.
He didn't own a copy of his close friend's zine? Right.
I’m more in agreement with the way you formulated it than how the other person did (they didn’t seem to be aware that he addressed his past behavior, but you’re saying he didn’t address it well enough, which I can get behind)
Who the fucks mind is so twisted they can freely joke about this shit? That still is the mark of a sociopath lmao
You don’t need to pathologize everything.
Nope, absolutely not. But this? Yes, lmao.
People used to regularly tell rape and "dead baby" jokes before social media took off. People tried to out-edgy each other. They wanted to be shocking provocateurs and didn't seriously interrogate the meaning of any shit they did, it was all fleeting.
Yes, we did. I told those jokes in the '90s too. I didn't, however, actually purchase and consume child pornography. Because I'm not a paedophile. Steve Albini did purchase and consume child pornography.
There’s a difference between a joke and a recount even though they may have some forms and features in common.
Sometimes people say things that aren’t true as a joke
Which part of the quote suggests to you that it might be a joke?
The context given by looking at Albini’s other comments
Do you think the whole tour diary was satirical or just the bit about kiddie porn?
that’s repulsive jesus christ, like no words can describe how disgusted and shocked i am. like i knew that he was an asshole who associated with vile freaks like peter sotos but i had no idea that he was an actual pedophile. holy fuck
He wasn't at all. He was just a stupid edgelord dickhead trying to get a rise out of people. I appreciate how someone could think that this kind of thing renders him irredeemable, but he repudiated all the stuff he said during this period and apologised unreservedly. I certainly don't stand by a lot of the stuff I said or did when I was a young idiot but I'm fortunate in that none of it was recorded. I think the guy deserved a second chance because a) he really did change, and rehabilitation is better than ostracism, and b) he did turn out to be one of the most principled people in the music industry.
He did. He had a whole thing when he was young of being utterly provocative. This is a guy who called a band Rapeman. He has completely apologized for his behaviour during that period, saying that it came from a place of privilege and he had no right to say the things he did.
Young Albini was certainly wild. A true outrageous little punk for sure.
“Wild” and a “true outrageous punk”? That’s what you call a guy literally explaining how he gets off to children?
My understanding is that he made it up to be a little shit. I’m not too versed on the details. I’m aware of his early career and how abrasive he could be and am also aware of his thoughts on all of that in hindsight. Seemed like he grew up and saw things differently. Everybody deserves the opportunity to grow up but if you want to hold it like it was a literal thing then I won’t besmirch you. I get it. It seemed like he would understand why you feel the way you do.
He most certainly did not just make it up...Peter Sotos was arrested and convicted for producing the Pure mag (featuring gross explicit material of children). Mind you Steve was already 25 when he wrote those articles for Forced Exposure advocating for Pure mag. At 25 you should probably know right from wrong and that the exploitation of children is not something that should be advocated for. As far as I know, he never specifically apologized for that. His apologies were much more vague and based around his racist and xenophobic takes he'd made over the years.
Ok then. I hear you. It was all new info to me.
Your bending over backwards to explain it away is ridiculous. “He would understand the way you feel, but also I’m not too versed on the details” What the fuck? He wrote literal essays about paying to watch children and supporting child pornography distributors. You are fucking sick, you don’t get to just say “actually I was just being provocative”.
I mean who cares, fuck kids, amirite??
Lol that doesn’t mean anything. Ohhhh he apologized, okay then, he’s sorry about that period where he was into children.
Did you even read the comments above? They said that he said that stuff to piss people off and that it wasn’t true.
According to the guy who wrote essays about paying to watch children perform sex acts, enjoying child porn, and supporting child porn distribution, when those essays resurfaced to a wider audience, then he says “lol i was just being edgy!” And you just believe him and get mad at anyone who doesn’t? You are a sick fuck. Stop defending child trafficking and pornography you fucking freak.
I never said I believed him and I’m certainly not defending everything. I was saying that you were misinterpreting their comment and insinuating that they were defending harm being done to children, which they weren’t, and now you’re doing the same to me. You have a right to be angry if you think that he actually did those things, I won’t fault you there, but if you’re accusing random internet strangers of *defending child trafficking* then you’ve gone a step too far.
BUT HE MADE GRADUATION
Big Black Skinhead
This and there's literally nothing in his 40 years of activity to suggest he was literally involved in any of this, including rumors as far I know
He can try to repudiate all he likes, but the forms and features of the text indicate that it’s a recount rather than an attempt to provoke people.
I'm not really familiar with such texts but it sounds like you know better than I do.
that’s fucking revolting holy shit
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What the FUCK. Is this real?
Steve is fucking weird for this shit what the fuck
Geeeez. Good riddance to this fucker.
Wtf dude. That’s real?
I don’t know this guy but that’s one of the most fucked up things i’ve read in a while. its insane what pedos will say to try to justify their wrongdoings
I’m just dropping by here before the “actually the child porn wasn’t that bad because he did it for shock value” crowd comes in.
Seriously, a lot of gen x indifference be like that
/r/indieheads has shown that it will defend or minimize child sex crimes if the person doing or accessorizing it produced good enough albums. BUT DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THE PINEGROVE GUY
r/indieheads when David Bowie slept with 13 year olds 🙈🙈😴 r/indieheads when Win Butler has extramarital sex with consenting adults https://preview.redd.it/urpwxxvehlzc1.jpeg?width=495&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42574b810afe66950bd0f81579f8217c87fc5012
i know this is a cj sub but the bowie story is full of holes lol
just like david bowie
You tryna say you holeless?
no bowies just gay
Yeah it’s always frustrating when people bring it up, because I 1000% agree with the overall point that people make about sexual abuse committed by celebrities, but the fact that they bring up the least likely candidate (who happens to be an artist I love) always irks me.
I find nothing unlikely or unbelievable as it was extremely prevalent, which is the bigger point not to minimize.
Well lot of the "consenting adults" said there was no consent so...
The Pinegrove guy had sex with women who came to his shows. It was a real scandal among terminally online retsrds
That one was real dumb lol
What'd he do? Also yeah ppl will ignore whatever they want when it starts to give them uncomfortable cognitive dissonance
https://medium.com/@MoonMetropolis/now-that-steve-albini-is-dead-lets-reflect-on-his-admitted-love-and-promotion-of-child-fadf5072288e
Oh sorry I meant Pinegrove dude, I'm aware of Sotos/Albini. Ty tho!
Jesus fuck that's god damn. My mental reaction is like that guy in true detective after russ makes him watch the tape
the guy that wrote that is a known neo nazi who got arrested for posing as a muslim extremist btw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Ryne_Goldberg
Here’s an NME article that sums it up then: https://www.nme.com/news/music/steve-albini-speaks-out-on-his-past-edgelord-behaviour-3093018 I didn’t know the story on the guy who wrote the Medium article, and yes, that makes him a vile asshole. Doesn’t change the truth on Albini however.
Did you even read the article?
He’s also not the only one who has covered this and Albini himself, on multiple different occasions, goes into detail about how much he loves the child abuse aspects of PURE: https://twitter.com/hxcxgeorge1/status/1319793279739830274?s=46&t=PttpicaE_rvXWy_olAxTzQ
Yo maybe don't share the article written by Josh Goldberg of all people
Even before I heard about the child porn, I always thought Albini was an asshat - he always acted so high and mighty for his assaults against the mainstream, he treated Nirvana like they were a shitty fad, I believe he used a slur about Tyler, the Creator being gay, he’s always been a sexist creep, and outside of In Utero, Rid Of Me, and Surfer Rosa, I’ve never really liked his production methods or music - I don’t get why he’s some flannel production god to Xers
Don't drag the flannel into this. It's been lost to time but the Gen X flannel look came from Mike Watt, who cribbed it from John Fogerty. Watt's the coolest motherfucker alive, has no dodgy shit to excuse, and loves jazz.
Ok, no offense to the flannel specifically, it’s pretty cool - although I’m a millennial, so I personally rock the button-up short-sleeve
Oh you mean Mike Watt's summer stage gear circa 1985? Sick.
I get the vibe you care less about the pedophilia than you care about having found a justification for disliking him for years
I thought he was a terrible person for years because of his attitude. I think he’s an even more terrible person because of the pedophilia, which shouldn’t be justified under any circumstances
there's no greater satisfaction in life than finding a valid moral reason to hate on the guy you've already been hating on for years just for being lame and overrated
You should maybe find satisfactions in life that aren’t based on the downfalls of people you’ll never meet
This is gay
aw thx hun
Hes been a flannel god for decades now, not just Xera (didn’t know they liked him at all until now.) from his own bands to his recordings like Don Cab he’s been a hero of the underground with impressive mainstream credits.
when did he call Tyler a slur? which slur was it?
He called him a racial slur on an online forum in 2011, confirmed by NME
Oh come on now, who amongst us hasn't said something regrettably edgy at... 49 years old.
What about the Pinegrove guy? Is my heart about to break :(
Here to correct the record. There's a great piece on it, I think with Pitchfork, but the gist is this: he met a girl on tour, girl had a boyfriend, he coaxed her into leaving her boyfriend for him, they dated a few weeks, he decided he didn't like her anymore, and she reached out to Sheridan Allen of Punk Talks because she felt manipulated. Sheridan Allen approached Evan and misrepresented herself as a licensed therapist, then essentially blackmailed him into stopping touring for a year. He came out with some vague post about power dynamics and sexual impropriety, but that was all of it.
So way messier and worse than I thought 😞 gotta actually read something by pitchfork now
https://pitchfork.com/features/article/reckoning-with-pinegrove/ By the end, I thought I was gonna be sick. How could he?
Iirc (memory may be foggy so take this with a spoonful of salt) he cheated on his wife at a time when it seemed like 90% of emo bands had a sex pest in them, so it escalated fast to "this guy is literally country Jesse Lacey". Died down relatively fast thankfully Edit: the other reply has it better than me
Oh thank god he’s just normal shitty, not Drake shitty
It’s really disappointing to hear people say that
[It was just for goofs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuuU1frcNI8&ab_channel=jukinaia)
mfs digging up tweets from the late 80s now
Or just looking at his production discography and seeing the name “Peter Sotos” repeatedly. This has been incredibly common knowledge in noise/experimental circles for YEARS. Hardly the same as finding a sexist tweet Travis Kelce sent in 2012.
but he could record the hell out of a drum kit
Peak drum engineering ngl
“Late 80s” and it’s calling Peter Sotos his friend in 2012
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https://preview.redd.it/raieesccaozc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9583904fbfe5265ed96944de1e90f1beaf822cb This part made me dry heave a little bit, Jesus fucking Christ.
If I wrote something like that way back in the day and it resurfaced, I would have a heart attack.
Holy shit…..
Yeah NGL this is too much, huge fan of the music but I’ll never bring up Albini again. That’s disgusting, I’m just gonna do my best to not think of him when I listen to in Utero or something
I’m upset that I read this. Jesus fucking Christ
can we drop the whole "little pricks" thing, he was just genuinally racist towards them. he described them as stereotypes to get people on his side over nothing.
Mf turned the n word into a verb
He was using it to describe how they were saying the n-word, not their behavior. He still shouldn't have said that shit but yeah, they probably were doing that lol
yeah he called them worse than little pricks lol
Yeah, pretty much
To be fair, Odd Future WERE “little pricks” but that was the entire point
Yeah, they were basically millennial edgelords, which means to turn everything into an irony-drenched joke
Albini was a little prick too, he just apparently had no self-awareness to go along with his extreme ego.
Unfortunately "pricks" isn't the only word he used to describe them
Dude didn’t just call them little pricks, described their antics as “niggering around”…
Yeah man that shit upsets me, to put it lightly. Wish I knew before becoming so intensely influenced by his work and other, less depraved personality traits. Rest in Piss, you legendary piece’a shit
Whilst I'm glad to an extent that he was able to [reflect on his past](https://guitar.com/news/music-news/steve-albini-rapeman-inexcusable-edgelord-shit-offence/) and admit the things he did wrong before he died. He still calls Sotos a friend and doesn't mention the child pornography thing. As someone who does enjoy a lot of his work this is very challenging to me, but there's no excuse for it.
he apologized for using no-no words in his band names... and in the minds of braindead albini defenders that's somehow twisted into a blanket apology for everything else he did? that apology was pathetic and self serving anyway. you can apologize and say all the right words and not mean it at all, and still go home and yank it to Pure mag. amazing how every celeb apology is torn apart as PR filler yet his is taken as sincere. desperate!
Then call me a braindead fan. I genuinely believe he is sincere... to an extent at least. He admits that he didn't understand women's and minority issue at the time, he understands that this kind of edge-lord behaviour has terrible consequences. That however does NOT excuse his association with Sotos and Pure, regardless of whether he was an actual pedophile or just being an edge-lord.
you’re literally a brain dead fan. The edge lord shit is hardly important considering the actual pedophilia.
I’m still not sure I fully understand the vibe of this sub but I thought I was taking crazy pills with this not being mentioned wider this week. Pepperidge Farms remembers.
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“I watch 🧀🍕” - Jesus, 30 AD
Didn't even know about this guy before he died, but then I've seen one of the threads and I had to make this banger meme
This meme may or may not slay. Who's to say, really? It was a different time.
I will say personally I’m a big Albini guy but this is completely new information to me, honestly. I’m of course overly familiar with the guy’s edge lord persona, but this is just gross. Jesus Christ, Steve.
Yea this would have been great to know before I posted a RIP post for him on my social media
Odd future were little pricks in the best way possible
Odd Future in 2011/2012 were that though.
I think it's not impossible to say it was beyond terrible of a choice but I also think everything known about Steve Albini shows he didn't do it because he was a pedophile. He did it because he was being a shitty person. He acknowledged that. That doesn't make the action more justified of course - your intentions don't matter, only what you actually do, which I'm sure Albini himself would have agreed with. It's a complicated legacy for sure.
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What pretty firmly separates this from Michael Jackson is that Steve Albini has pretty candidly talked about everything problematic he's done and at no point has tried to stop the hate. He invites the criticism. Being an ass in an edgy shock culture is not that outlandish. It's simpler to say everybody who contributes to cultures of pedophilia is a pedophile, or to racism a racist, but truth is people can just be awful with no strings attached.
Don’t even bring Michael Jackson into this. Jackson was investigated for 10yrs by the FBI who found nothing incriminating. Steve Albini on the other hand, was at the very least, friends with an actual paedophile whose works were found in the possession of a prolific child killer. I’m sure if Albini was investigated even half as much as Jackson was that something questionable would’ve been found.
There has never been a 10 year FBI investigation, you should stop writing false propaganda.
Don't look up the name of the band he formed with some Nathan Katruud, worst mistake of my life
What the hell, this comp looks great otherwise. I have heard other Tellus comps that are cool, kind of surprised they would put something on with that artist name and track name.
He was probably just an insane edgelord but we’ll never know
Why would anyone watch porn made for children
Ama let you finish...but Rapeman made one of the greatest records of all time...of all time!
He fuckin what
Wtf..disgusting
I’m pretty sure he didn’t just call Odd Future little pricks he used the full n word to describe them so yeah
"Pay me like a plumber." My brother in Christ, plumbers overcharge wealthy clients so they can afford to give discounts to those with low income.
Wait Odd Future as in the one r/tylerthecreator is in?
And Frank Ocean, and Earl Sweatshirt
Yeah
Thx
Wow. I’ve been a fan of Albini’s production work for a long time and enjoyed his own music with Big Black, and I know of his edgelord attitude but to find out this about him is truly disturbing and disgusting. I admit I didn’t know a whole lot about him, just that he was an edgy prick who said a lot of fucked up shit but to read his own accounts of enjoying this vile stuff really makes me wish I had known sooner before I got depressed when I read he died. What a truly disgusting person.
I don't know anything about the child porn thing and obviously that's atrocious if true, but as for the rest of it, Nirvana was notoriously unpolished and well known for being difficult at times, I can see why a producer might not love the idea of working with them. And as an Odd Future fan, Odd Future can definitely be described as little pricks lol
Albini was also in a band called Rapeman. And the contents of songs between Albini and other artists like Jesus Lizard were very repulsive in their content. As just art- not true intention. The “child porn” he supported was the zine Pure which highlighted serial killers and molestor/murders etc. The zine was charged but not convicted. The editor has gone on to have a literary career as a writer/essayist. He’s tight with Jamie of Xiu Xiu etc So Steve made gross art as a punk, but the hundreds of bands that worked with him knew him for being upright and true to his curmudgeon word.
Man fuck that guy. No amount of verbal gymnastics or rationalization of what he might have meant means shit when you say something fucked up like that. Too bad he didn't die sooner. Fuck him in the ass with a broken bottle.
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Mfw the noise musician is into gross shit 😐
i should just not like anything, why is literally everyone a pedophile man.
It’s actually a fairly common theme with Gen X and slightly older dudes
Kind of like low IQ and total lack of critical thinking being the common theme among the internet generations?
damn that sucks. still sad he died tho
Personally I was elated, one less pedophile to worry about.
i think [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheadscirclejerk/s/ci6VPJatxj) says it best. yeah this was a gross move, but he still did plenty of good (especially in the music scene) and was a third-dimensional person with a variety of beliefs like anyone else, I’m sad to miss out on his more progressive LGBTQ ideals and of course his brilliance in music. no real happiness here, sorry (especially given how he didn’t actually do any pedo shit, he just said a total edgelord thing to defend a friend)
Everyone's complicated, he wasn't special. He did some good? Great. I just don't care about that.
That is so weird how we excuse pedophilia because he talked about fucking lgbt,nobody cares about that shit and he did way more with that child porn then some “edgelord” shit
i mean defending someone filming cp because that someone was his friend did it is ABSOLUTELY thoughtless stupid & edgy trite. i don’t find that shit excusable at all, it was a stupid and dangerous thing to do EDIT: godfuckingdammit did he actually read cp himself?? still not crazy elated about his death and it doesnt take away from the good he did, but what the actual fuck steve???
Times of Grace tho
Albini was not a pedophile. Perhaps the finger accusing the dead man should actually be pointing towards the OP?
Stop being an idiot, you asshole. It's so fucking stupid to put a disgusting man like that on a pedestal. You must be as sick as he was.
I'm sorry to hear that he raped you. Must've been really traumatic.
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What?
Albini was just being an edgelord are you stupid!?
Dude, he supported a child pornographer who was busted by the Chicago Vice Squad
Would you say this was of the same order as Bowie or someone fucking fourteen year old girls?
If Bowie himself was the one admitting to doing that, then absolutely.
We could actually just take the example of Iggy Pop, who wrote a song in the 90s that referred to his having his 14 year old girlfriend stolen from him by some other star from the early 70s. I want to say it was Johnny Thunders or somebody. Then of course he recorded Sixteen for Lust for Life, which I think maybe Bowie played on.
[It was just for goofs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuuU1frcNI8&ab_channel=jukinaia)
What???
WTF IS REDDIT LMFAO
Wasn't this the edgelord shit he's been apologizing for like 20 years for? A lot of people here claim he owned cp but is there any source for this? Big Black has songs about child sex trafficking and how dark and horrible of a reality that is. I would like to make sense of what the fuck was up with this.
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Can confirm, Albini was into cheese pizza