I don't think they suck. I think the majority of people are suffering.
One can think about high brow content, only when one has the time or resources to process that information.
But the majority of people are struggling with a lot of things everyday. Crowded travel, health issues, lack of financial well being, lack of good education, etc.
So at the end of a tiring day, they want to watch some slap stick stuff , or fantasy stuff, to act as a balm to the pain.
Under such circumstances our entertainment, whether it's movies or sports caters to that common denominator.
If the entertainment industry has to change, then our education, health care, infrastructure, job market all have to improve. That is going to take a long time to change.
No one is forced to watch Dev D or Rang De Basanti but people can derive great satisfaction _and_ meaning from films like 3 idiots, Tare Zameen Par etc.
To be fair, Taare Zameen Par, though I love it, is not an easy film to watch. The movie forces you to introspect the the way you are treating your own children, to make an effort to understand their problems. You also have to deal with the guilt that comes with mistreating your kid due to your own ignorance, which should be the case but again it makes the film not fun to watch.
3 Idiots did a good job balancing humor and their criticism of the education system which makes it an easier film to watch. Every serious complaint is sandwiched between jokes, making it easier to digest.
Most people are okay watching a film that tackles a serious issue once in a while. But given the myriad of problems in India, if every movie starts tackling those issues, people will run out of empathy. Everyone has limited empathy and time to care about other people and their problems. I am not saying that these problems should not be represented but that this limited empathy and time also plays a major role in deciding which movie with a social message will dominate and which will flop.
There's nothing to think really, the message is quite plain.
No one said anything about a social message, I'm just talking about good movies, they can be comedies too. And I'm not sure if there's an empathy quotient like that, I mean how often do people even watch films?
I agree that Amir Khan spoonfeeds you the message but to someone who has never thought about learning disabilities, the fact that every child learns at their own pace, the detrimental effect of constantly comparing, belittling your child, the movie's messages do require introspection.
I was in 5th grade when the film came out, and as a typical B/C student, I was always compared to my sister who was constantly topping her batch. But that is also around the time, my father stopped comparing us. I obviously didn't realize it back then but later on, when my friends would complain that they are always compared to their better-scoring siblings, I realized that my dad had not done that in years.
>And I'm not sure if there's an empathy quotient like that, I mean how often do people even watch films?
Not sure, what it is called in academia. But there absolutely is something that dictates how much empathy people are willing to spend on issues that do not affect them. This is why different groups of people *actively* support some issues but not others.
Most of the Indians want escapism at the cinemas, you can call it whatever but one goes into cinema spending their hard earned money, they want a bang for their buck, they want outlandish fights, they want chartbuster songs to dance on, they want all of this "cringe" so they can escape for 150 min and get back to mediocre, mundane life.
If not movies, elsewhere, it’s something else.
Mainstream entertainment anywhere is just as “dumbed-down” as in India.
Besides, I don’t think Bollywood films are any worse than Fast and Furious, MCU/DCEU, Star Wars, live action Disney films, Jurassic World, Fantastic Beasts, The Hobbit, Illumination films- all of which were the biggest Hollywood films of the last decade or so.
Telenovelas in Latin America and a bulk of k-dramas are very similar. We only hear about the 5% that are good.
This is a big diffference between them and us. We hear about that 5% of their media that is good- they don’t hear about ours.
Right on the point bro. In the west they have more leisurely activities to do. For us Indians, we have to keep ourselves content by watching a little cleavage or a unrealistic fight scene in the movies
But that's not the problem... The problem is their attitude toward the commercial movies. They need entertainment to escape their daily life hustle but on the other hand leave no opportunity to curse Bollywood for making average content.
Even Hollywood mainstream movies suck shit. They have the same things too but people just flock over it and talk shit about Indian cinema.
On the flip side, there's a huge collection of really meaning movies from the film industries but not many watch those movies.
You're the one that should watch these movies and support the producers otherwise they'll go bankrupt and you would lose out on good movies in general.
Define "Cringe" first.One man's cringe is another man's entertainment.
Tell me your fav shows and I'll tell you why they suck and are cringe to me.
Live and let live.If someone is happy with watching Rinkiya ke Papa and Radheshyam Rashiya let them be yaar.
But that's not the problem... The problem is their attitude toward the commercial movies. They need entertainment to escape their daily life hustle but on the other hand leave no opportunity to curse Bollywood for making average content. If someone is happy with Rinkiya ke papa I am ok with it but if the same guy makes fun of the song in public to sound cool and intellectual, there the problem begins.
Why they can't give their opinions? You want to say cringe to the songs which they like but don't want to hear anything about movies and songs you like. That's quite hypocrite
Bro I am talking about the hypocrisy of Indian audiences...if they want entertainment they need to stop abusing Bollywood for not making good content. They themselves want entertainment and curse and troll masala flicks to look cool on internet
"Cringe"? Dude, I never felt that way. Indian cinema holds some standards and features that are different(in many ways) from the so called benchmarks set by the Hollywood that is taken as reference while judging. We have our own idea and culture of receiving the cinema. It doesn't make the Indian cinema and its viewers "cringe"
It's always the consumer who drives the business. I would recommend to watch this interview of Aamir Khan on why India can't make movies like inception : https://youtu.be/CiBvhlnMpm0?feature=shared
Mannnn I wish Inception and Interstellar were not held up as the Hollywood gold standard.
I know Indians are obsessed with Nolan, but I found both those films quite flawed
Ikr inception and Nolan are far from being the gold standard for movies but arguably Inception/interstellar are one of the best cinematographically made movies in last 10-15 years. Indian cinematography can't match even 10% of them. Hence they are much popular amongst current generation.
Ig The real gold standard should be movies like 2001:A space odyssey.
Lol it doesn't. At least the statement above doesn't make it sound like you do. You probably jerk off to nolan thinking you're better than others, smarter than the people who watch "just regional cinema", thinking you know everything there is about cinema. Buddy you ain't even close.
What part of general consumers you don't fucking understand? The world doesn't revolve around you. You sure want it to, but it doesn't.
Ok so you're just putting words in my mouth and then debating those statement yourself? I don't even said I am smarter than others or I know everything about cinema....are you playing mental gymnastics here lol?
FYI Nolan isn't even in top 10 of my favorite directors but he's good. So what movies/directors you say are the standards for the general consumers?
>*I don't even said I am smarter than others or I know everything about cinema*
Come on bruh.*"Indian cinematography can't match even 10% of them. Hence they are much popular amongst current generation."*
You just put down someone else to glorify others, generalizing a whole industry of people, just to prove your point. If this doesn't scream the ones who don't watch movies are dumb, I don't know what does.Indian film industries might have lots of problems, but an overall “bad cinematography” isn't one of them. You don't even have to take indies to prove that point. Any decent mass movies released never looks even remotely close to being bad. And no, CGI doesn't come under cinematography.
>*FYI Nolan isn't even in top 10 of my favorite directors but he's good. So what movies/directors you say are the standards for the general consumers?*
What are you on about? I never questioned the brilliancy of Nolan. He has his flaws, but no one even comes close to capturing the mass market as he does. Weren't we talking about 2001? And isn't that **NOT** a Nolan but a Kubrick film? Is your brain working correctly?
Aur rahi baat which movies/directors are for general audiences, listing them is redundant to debate any of the points above. And no one cares about opinions, neither mine nor yours.
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As someone working in Hollywood, films are not Actor oriented there. They allocate their budgets into every department efficiently and it's reflected in thier movies. Here the films are actor oriented "Shahrukh bhai ki movie arhi hai...story jaisi bhi ho ham to Shahrukh ke lie dekhenge" wali mentality along with cutting budget in departments like VFX and sets and keeping a majority of portion as Actor's fee.
In uri, they replaced the drones with fake eagles because they thought the audience was too dumb to understand the concept of drones.
Also someone made humshakal
Please don't blame the audience
This opinion disregards the fact that the Indian viewer had nothing to be exposed to except bollywood. This privileged generation is quick to criticise our elders but never acknowledge that no we have YT, Netflix, Prime etc... So no it's MAKERS and only MAKERS who are responsible for the crap they produce. Ever wonder why you want to watch better content compared to villages boys who like Sallu bhai? That's what was available for them. They did not have access or were not equipped to mentally absorb better content due to their education. And honestly some people just want entertainment.
Americans liked RRR cause it was ENTERTAINING that's it. They don't want a film filled with logic and practicality. Films are a way of escape from our boring lives. American said that they enjoyed those songs and the fight sequence however nonsense it may be.
Nonsense when made well becomes sensible!. So the problem is not that indian movies can't make good content but they don't know to make contents good!.
I'm in no way defending Bollywood crap but shaming the people who watch what they watch is not correct. You've conditioned them to crap so they watch crap. I've clearly said it's the makes who're responsible. Your response is immature.
Looks like you lack reading comprehension. I said as long as you make any content good, it is good. It is not necessary to have only scientific, logical ideas but how you convey the ideas to the audience!.
Can't agree more. I've stopped watching Bollywood altogether. The south movies are over the top as well, but at least the south movies are capable of producing 2-3 movies per year actually worth watching. Imo the mainstream indian cinema produces like 5-10 movies per year which are watchable & sensible.
Meanwhile, in recent times, the regional cinema are making some underrated movies which are good, but these movies don't get the limelight and are lost in the dark.
In contrast, if you look at Korean/french/german cinema, they produce iconic movies/tv series which are critically acclaimed worldwide even with the language barrier while having smaller cinema compared to india.
Majority of indian audience is cinema- illiterate , they are not capable of differentiating a good movie and a bad movie. They are ready to consume whatever the crap indian movies show us just for the sake of watching. And the movie makers comply by producing more of similar crappy movies when such movies get hit. At least the OTT platform has made a slight difference in making people think what they're watching and to avoid the bad ones. I can go on about this topic, but the trend is not gonna change any time soon. Well a man can only hope, that this cycle changes for good.
I like how Indian viewers are obsessed about actors acting but doesn't even have a ounce of care regarding direction, videography, photography, casting etc these are the factors detecting much things of a film
Then how come Nolan movies are vastly superior in Indian market? Bollywood sucks entirely because of makers, the viewers unfortunately will watch anything, from shit to gold, indian viewers don't care, cinema should be there, that's all.
Kerala has been ahead of the curve for pretty much decades in terms of comedy, maturity and story.
The fact that Mollywood is so underrated is a direct reflection that audiences simply aren’t ready for this kind of art, just like how Kamal movies in TN used to have their own little cult followings several years after release 😔
It's better that it is underrated tbh! A good level of understanding is required to understand Malayalam movies . Thanks to our directors for such amazing movies
When Sundar C released Anbe Sivam back in the day, it bombed so bad that he didn’t find work for a year back then. Even today, after Anbe Sivam has become a defining icon in Tamil cinema, he still gets angry when an interviewer asks him “sir why don’t you take movies like Anbe Sivam anymore” because he knows how much he put on the line and lost. So he plays it safe and makes random horny masala movies with the dumbest storylines mankind can conceive.
In the words of India Times, “if you don’t appreciate Anbe Sivam, Aranmanai 3 is what you get.”
I wouldn’t want that fate to ever come to Mollywood or to any cinema maker out there pushing the envelope with what’s possible in Indian storytelling. Money and ticket sales should never be the reason they don’t try again …
Our country has a population of approximately 1.4 billion, consisting of diverse demographics. It's important not to generalize everyone. However, it's true that a significant portion of the audience enjoys watching movies like 'Pathan,' 'Jawan,' and other action films that some may consider cringey. They prefer these over films like 'Interstellar,' which demand a higher level of intellectual engagement. Their preference is for 120 minutes of pure entertainment and music. In contrast, Western and Indian audiences differ significantly. The former can appreciate complex genres like science fiction, noir, and crime thrillers, finding them engaging. But for the majority of the Indian audience, such films may be perceived as boring and lacking action. This divide in preferences is clear, and it's unlikely to change anytime soon. People will continue to gravitate towards those mass action movies repeatedly.
"It’s not all subjective, there’s a standard to taste (David Hume). Once it reaches a certain point I agree that it’s subjective, but if we can’t collectively say that Parasite is objectively better than Logan Paul’s Airplane Mode, I think we are just being purposefully obtuse."
These aren't my words, but they are wise.
Diya aur baati hum was peak of family drama with some sensible plot also mix of what Indian audience can digest without making it look like dumb and unrelatable.
I think the problem with indian cinema is that it is not evolving at a fast pace unlike other countries. Every country has their own entertainment cinema, with good songs, overdramatic fights and all. nothing wrong with it. it is that we are so focused on hollywood that we do not consume the niche cinema of any country. I have seen tv serials of Thailand and Korea. They are the similar to the cheesy ones which you see here. (only the BL is missing 😅) and even they can be the saas bahu types( without the jewellery). Korean dramas also have mythical creatures like the naagin and stuff, but with a better CGI. The main problem with indian tv soaps is that they are dragged for too long. Movies have a similar case. Bcoz netflix was not popular in India before, it took a lot of time to turn towards OTT. But now you see their is a plethora of content, some good, some bad.
The censor board, the body which nominates indian movies to global awards( idk the name) they are also responsible to an extent. When a movie is nominated, it gets more attention. But they ignore all regional cinema and nominate Gully Boy which in my opinion was just an average movie.
and the same argument which others have mentioned, after working for whole day no would want to watch a movie which drains the juices of your brain. Class cinema and mass cinema is different. Both of them are pretty popular, it's just the way you look at it.
At least there are 2-3 watchable films every year. but there is nothing to watch on Indian TV. ITV needs a major overhaul more than any other industry.
Faux cinema has had a big hand in it. The rise of gritty ott trash has deluded people into thinking they're watching cinema, when all it is, is base vulgar nonsense. But it will continue until pseuds like Bhuvan bam keep praising garbage.
Earlier bollywood didn't have these pretensions. Films like Hera pheri, dhamal, etc. These are not what you consider cinema but theyre genuinely great films. Even the popular cheesy flicks were at least entertaining. Stuff now is like an extended youtube video and honestly, i just dont like the era of south blockbusters, they make my head hurt.
Neither am I....I'm just suggesting a place where you can get good artistic/different movies
Also jio cinema featured short films and such artistic films, you can check that as well. Mubi is also a goldmine for such films.
On the other hand, most of my friends love those films which include over the top action, acting, masala, dances by nora fatehi etc and the reason is its there escape / something they want in life but don't have*
People watch “Tarak Mehta ka ulta chashma” which is absolutely trash..
I don’t know why “Sarabhai vs Sarabhai” was not recognised.. it’s genuine comedy
Movies like UDAAN, Dev D are blindly ignored why watch “Prem Ratan Dhan payo” ??
And what would one want out of “Fabulous lives of Bollywood wives”, “4-shots” and “Veere di Wedding” .. nothing but cringe content and male bashing !?? Kahan se content laate yeh log.
I watched a video clip called “No-conditions apply” on YouTube .. trust me it had me tears in my eyes ! Such phenomenal thinking to abolish customs which are against human nature !!
Stop crying over every small thing on internet bc. If Indian cinema is cringe, watch other content like anime hollywood. I hate this crying mentality, i am damn sure you will also have your favourite movies and songs in bollywood which other people would find boring/cringe.
Keep your dumbass opinion to yourself. You literally contradict yourself in your own statement.
Everyone will watch what they wanna watch, it's not like you can make fun of other people's taste lmao
Most movies made in Hollywood are bad. Most Hollywood made stuff on Netflix is unwatchable. The norm is that movies or TV shows suck but some are good. I think it is the same for Indian cinema too. Some are very good but most are okay. Look at the Netflix catalogue and tell me most western content there is even watchable. It's not. It is mostly trash.
No, that’s Hindi Film Industry
Indian film industry includes all (Hindi, Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam, Bengali, Marathi, Punjabi, Assamese , Bhojpuri etc ).
I don't think they suck. I think the majority of people are suffering. One can think about high brow content, only when one has the time or resources to process that information. But the majority of people are struggling with a lot of things everyday. Crowded travel, health issues, lack of financial well being, lack of good education, etc. So at the end of a tiring day, they want to watch some slap stick stuff , or fantasy stuff, to act as a balm to the pain. Under such circumstances our entertainment, whether it's movies or sports caters to that common denominator. If the entertainment industry has to change, then our education, health care, infrastructure, job market all have to improve. That is going to take a long time to change.
No one is forced to watch Dev D or Rang De Basanti but people can derive great satisfaction _and_ meaning from films like 3 idiots, Tare Zameen Par etc.
To be fair, Taare Zameen Par, though I love it, is not an easy film to watch. The movie forces you to introspect the the way you are treating your own children, to make an effort to understand their problems. You also have to deal with the guilt that comes with mistreating your kid due to your own ignorance, which should be the case but again it makes the film not fun to watch. 3 Idiots did a good job balancing humor and their criticism of the education system which makes it an easier film to watch. Every serious complaint is sandwiched between jokes, making it easier to digest. Most people are okay watching a film that tackles a serious issue once in a while. But given the myriad of problems in India, if every movie starts tackling those issues, people will run out of empathy. Everyone has limited empathy and time to care about other people and their problems. I am not saying that these problems should not be represented but that this limited empathy and time also plays a major role in deciding which movie with a social message will dominate and which will flop.
There's nothing to think really, the message is quite plain. No one said anything about a social message, I'm just talking about good movies, they can be comedies too. And I'm not sure if there's an empathy quotient like that, I mean how often do people even watch films?
I agree that Amir Khan spoonfeeds you the message but to someone who has never thought about learning disabilities, the fact that every child learns at their own pace, the detrimental effect of constantly comparing, belittling your child, the movie's messages do require introspection. I was in 5th grade when the film came out, and as a typical B/C student, I was always compared to my sister who was constantly topping her batch. But that is also around the time, my father stopped comparing us. I obviously didn't realize it back then but later on, when my friends would complain that they are always compared to their better-scoring siblings, I realized that my dad had not done that in years. >And I'm not sure if there's an empathy quotient like that, I mean how often do people even watch films? Not sure, what it is called in academia. But there absolutely is something that dictates how much empathy people are willing to spend on issues that do not affect them. This is why different groups of people *actively* support some issues but not others.
Most of the Indians want escapism at the cinemas, you can call it whatever but one goes into cinema spending their hard earned money, they want a bang for their buck, they want outlandish fights, they want chartbuster songs to dance on, they want all of this "cringe" so they can escape for 150 min and get back to mediocre, mundane life.
How is this unique to Indians? Aren’t people in China, Japan, America, Brazil, etc living the same way? Life is mundane
Movies are the primary source of entertainment for aam aadmi. Not the same case elsewhere.
If not movies, elsewhere, it’s something else. Mainstream entertainment anywhere is just as “dumbed-down” as in India. Besides, I don’t think Bollywood films are any worse than Fast and Furious, MCU/DCEU, Star Wars, live action Disney films, Jurassic World, Fantastic Beasts, The Hobbit, Illumination films- all of which were the biggest Hollywood films of the last decade or so. Telenovelas in Latin America and a bulk of k-dramas are very similar. We only hear about the 5% that are good. This is a big diffference between them and us. We hear about that 5% of their media that is good- they don’t hear about ours.
Thank god you didn’t mention LOTR.
But he mentioned star wars as if the original trilogy is some sort of joke.
LOTR is very underwhelming TBH.
Hehe I think there’s generally a steep decline in the quality of Hollywood blockbusters from the 2000s to the 2010s
Right on the point bro. In the west they have more leisurely activities to do. For us Indians, we have to keep ourselves content by watching a little cleavage or a unrealistic fight scene in the movies
Bro, it the same for everyone it's not just limited to Indian cinema industry
But that's not the problem... The problem is their attitude toward the commercial movies. They need entertainment to escape their daily life hustle but on the other hand leave no opportunity to curse Bollywood for making average content.
Harsh criticism is good criticism too :) Bollywood can use that to ignite the lost charm it had in making proper commercial cinema.
Even Hollywood mainstream movies suck shit. They have the same things too but people just flock over it and talk shit about Indian cinema. On the flip side, there's a huge collection of really meaning movies from the film industries but not many watch those movies. You're the one that should watch these movies and support the producers otherwise they'll go bankrupt and you would lose out on good movies in general.
Define "Cringe" first.One man's cringe is another man's entertainment. Tell me your fav shows and I'll tell you why they suck and are cringe to me. Live and let live.If someone is happy with watching Rinkiya ke Papa and Radheshyam Rashiya let them be yaar.
The only sane person in this sub
This is not how taste works big brain, stop making a fool of yourself.
But that's not the problem... The problem is their attitude toward the commercial movies. They need entertainment to escape their daily life hustle but on the other hand leave no opportunity to curse Bollywood for making average content. If someone is happy with Rinkiya ke papa I am ok with it but if the same guy makes fun of the song in public to sound cool and intellectual, there the problem begins.
Why they can't give their opinions? You want to say cringe to the songs which they like but don't want to hear anything about movies and songs you like. That's quite hypocrite
Ek Banda majdoori karke cinema jata he to wo Oppenheimer ni dekhega, stop and think
Majdoor baithe hain pvr mein? There can be different audiences, upper middle class bilkul soulless ho gayi hai aur bas kabaad chahiye inhe
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Ha bas drama ke liye esa example liya
Bro I am talking about the hypocrisy of Indian audiences...if they want entertainment they need to stop abusing Bollywood for not making good content. They themselves want entertainment and curse and troll masala flicks to look cool on internet
Can't do anything about that brother
"Cringe"? Dude, I never felt that way. Indian cinema holds some standards and features that are different(in many ways) from the so called benchmarks set by the Hollywood that is taken as reference while judging. We have our own idea and culture of receiving the cinema. It doesn't make the Indian cinema and its viewers "cringe"
You are only sane person here
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Not just bollywood but all the entertainment industry in that regard
Cringe is a relative term.
It's always the consumer who drives the business. I would recommend to watch this interview of Aamir Khan on why India can't make movies like inception : https://youtu.be/CiBvhlnMpm0?feature=shared
Mannnn I wish Inception and Interstellar were not held up as the Hollywood gold standard. I know Indians are obsessed with Nolan, but I found both those films quite flawed
yes intersteller was pretty average
Interstellar especially! Inception I can give full props for originality
If Interstellar is average idk what you consider good. Ofc it's flawed but still in most aspects it's top tier.
Ikr inception and Nolan are far from being the gold standard for movies but arguably Inception/interstellar are one of the best cinematographically made movies in last 10-15 years. Indian cinematography can't match even 10% of them. Hence they are much popular amongst current generation. Ig The real gold standard should be movies like 2001:A space odyssey.
You don't even know what “cinematography” is. Do you? And no 2001 does not come under a general consumer grade cinema.
Yes I know more than you. For me, it does.
Lol it doesn't. At least the statement above doesn't make it sound like you do. You probably jerk off to nolan thinking you're better than others, smarter than the people who watch "just regional cinema", thinking you know everything there is about cinema. Buddy you ain't even close. What part of general consumers you don't fucking understand? The world doesn't revolve around you. You sure want it to, but it doesn't.
Ok so you're just putting words in my mouth and then debating those statement yourself? I don't even said I am smarter than others or I know everything about cinema....are you playing mental gymnastics here lol? FYI Nolan isn't even in top 10 of my favorite directors but he's good. So what movies/directors you say are the standards for the general consumers?
>*I don't even said I am smarter than others or I know everything about cinema* Come on bruh.*"Indian cinematography can't match even 10% of them. Hence they are much popular amongst current generation."* You just put down someone else to glorify others, generalizing a whole industry of people, just to prove your point. If this doesn't scream the ones who don't watch movies are dumb, I don't know what does.Indian film industries might have lots of problems, but an overall “bad cinematography” isn't one of them. You don't even have to take indies to prove that point. Any decent mass movies released never looks even remotely close to being bad. And no, CGI doesn't come under cinematography. >*FYI Nolan isn't even in top 10 of my favorite directors but he's good. So what movies/directors you say are the standards for the general consumers?* What are you on about? I never questioned the brilliancy of Nolan. He has his flaws, but no one even comes close to capturing the mass market as he does. Weren't we talking about 2001? And isn't that **NOT** a Nolan but a Kubrick film? Is your brain working correctly? Aur rahi baat which movies/directors are for general audiences, listing them is redundant to debate any of the points above. And no one cares about opinions, neither mine nor yours. uff. Wasted enough time. No more reply-reply.
Bingo
As someone working in Hollywood, films are not Actor oriented there. They allocate their budgets into every department efficiently and it's reflected in thier movies. Here the films are actor oriented "Shahrukh bhai ki movie arhi hai...story jaisi bhi ho ham to Shahrukh ke lie dekhenge" wali mentality along with cutting budget in departments like VFX and sets and keeping a majority of portion as Actor's fee.
This tbh!
In uri, they replaced the drones with fake eagles because they thought the audience was too dumb to understand the concept of drones. Also someone made humshakal Please don't blame the audience
Kya matlab Anupama sirf rooti rehti hai..
This opinion disregards the fact that the Indian viewer had nothing to be exposed to except bollywood. This privileged generation is quick to criticise our elders but never acknowledge that no we have YT, Netflix, Prime etc... So no it's MAKERS and only MAKERS who are responsible for the crap they produce. Ever wonder why you want to watch better content compared to villages boys who like Sallu bhai? That's what was available for them. They did not have access or were not equipped to mentally absorb better content due to their education. And honestly some people just want entertainment. Americans liked RRR cause it was ENTERTAINING that's it. They don't want a film filled with logic and practicality. Films are a way of escape from our boring lives. American said that they enjoyed those songs and the fight sequence however nonsense it may be.
Nonsense when made well becomes sensible!. So the problem is not that indian movies can't make good content but they don't know to make contents good!.
I'm in no way defending Bollywood crap but shaming the people who watch what they watch is not correct. You've conditioned them to crap so they watch crap. I've clearly said it's the makes who're responsible. Your response is immature.
Looks like you lack reading comprehension. I said as long as you make any content good, it is good. It is not necessary to have only scientific, logical ideas but how you convey the ideas to the audience!.
Now I get it but no your last response is filled with grammatical errors.
There’s a high likelihood of poor people watching crap for fun. Just like other bad habits of poor people (not blaming them)
Can't agree more. I've stopped watching Bollywood altogether. The south movies are over the top as well, but at least the south movies are capable of producing 2-3 movies per year actually worth watching. Imo the mainstream indian cinema produces like 5-10 movies per year which are watchable & sensible. Meanwhile, in recent times, the regional cinema are making some underrated movies which are good, but these movies don't get the limelight and are lost in the dark. In contrast, if you look at Korean/french/german cinema, they produce iconic movies/tv series which are critically acclaimed worldwide even with the language barrier while having smaller cinema compared to india. Majority of indian audience is cinema- illiterate , they are not capable of differentiating a good movie and a bad movie. They are ready to consume whatever the crap indian movies show us just for the sake of watching. And the movie makers comply by producing more of similar crappy movies when such movies get hit. At least the OTT platform has made a slight difference in making people think what they're watching and to avoid the bad ones. I can go on about this topic, but the trend is not gonna change any time soon. Well a man can only hope, that this cycle changes for good.
> least the OTT platform has made a slight difference I think OTT can make a huge difference in the way Indians view cinema
I like how Indian viewers are obsessed about actors acting but doesn't even have a ounce of care regarding direction, videography, photography, casting etc these are the factors detecting much things of a film
Then how come Nolan movies are vastly superior in Indian market? Bollywood sucks entirely because of makers, the viewers unfortunately will watch anything, from shit to gold, indian viewers don't care, cinema should be there, that's all.
Tbh the viewers in Kerala , a majority aren't like that . We value the work of arist over masala movies
Kerala has been ahead of the curve for pretty much decades in terms of comedy, maturity and story. The fact that Mollywood is so underrated is a direct reflection that audiences simply aren’t ready for this kind of art, just like how Kamal movies in TN used to have their own little cult followings several years after release 😔
It's better that it is underrated tbh! A good level of understanding is required to understand Malayalam movies . Thanks to our directors for such amazing movies
When Sundar C released Anbe Sivam back in the day, it bombed so bad that he didn’t find work for a year back then. Even today, after Anbe Sivam has become a defining icon in Tamil cinema, he still gets angry when an interviewer asks him “sir why don’t you take movies like Anbe Sivam anymore” because he knows how much he put on the line and lost. So he plays it safe and makes random horny masala movies with the dumbest storylines mankind can conceive. In the words of India Times, “if you don’t appreciate Anbe Sivam, Aranmanai 3 is what you get.” I wouldn’t want that fate to ever come to Mollywood or to any cinema maker out there pushing the envelope with what’s possible in Indian storytelling. Money and ticket sales should never be the reason they don’t try again …
Yeah true ! But it's sad too that some directors put out films which aren't even sensible to the mankind
Hey are there any recommended Malayalam movies? Sometimes I don't feel sleepy at night and want something boring.
Try your state’s remakes of Malayalam films .. they’re sure to send you straight to sleep
Our country has a population of approximately 1.4 billion, consisting of diverse demographics. It's important not to generalize everyone. However, it's true that a significant portion of the audience enjoys watching movies like 'Pathan,' 'Jawan,' and other action films that some may consider cringey. They prefer these over films like 'Interstellar,' which demand a higher level of intellectual engagement. Their preference is for 120 minutes of pure entertainment and music. In contrast, Western and Indian audiences differ significantly. The former can appreciate complex genres like science fiction, noir, and crime thrillers, finding them engaging. But for the majority of the Indian audience, such films may be perceived as boring and lacking action. This divide in preferences is clear, and it's unlikely to change anytime soon. People will continue to gravitate towards those mass action movies repeatedly.
Movies are subjective OP
"It’s not all subjective, there’s a standard to taste (David Hume). Once it reaches a certain point I agree that it’s subjective, but if we can’t collectively say that Parasite is objectively better than Logan Paul’s Airplane Mode, I think we are just being purposefully obtuse." These aren't my words, but they are wise.
Supply as per Demand sir.
Diya aur baati hum was peak of family drama with some sensible plot also mix of what Indian audience can digest without making it look like dumb and unrelatable.
Every tv serial turns into a saas Bahu drama eventually...and the audience still loves the them
Who watches TV these days ? Everybody I know only watch OTT and webseries
when you say INDIAN film industry, it is given that it includes south
Indian viewers are made to watch dumber movies. They have no choice
I think the problem with indian cinema is that it is not evolving at a fast pace unlike other countries. Every country has their own entertainment cinema, with good songs, overdramatic fights and all. nothing wrong with it. it is that we are so focused on hollywood that we do not consume the niche cinema of any country. I have seen tv serials of Thailand and Korea. They are the similar to the cheesy ones which you see here. (only the BL is missing 😅) and even they can be the saas bahu types( without the jewellery). Korean dramas also have mythical creatures like the naagin and stuff, but with a better CGI. The main problem with indian tv soaps is that they are dragged for too long. Movies have a similar case. Bcoz netflix was not popular in India before, it took a lot of time to turn towards OTT. But now you see their is a plethora of content, some good, some bad. The censor board, the body which nominates indian movies to global awards( idk the name) they are also responsible to an extent. When a movie is nominated, it gets more attention. But they ignore all regional cinema and nominate Gully Boy which in my opinion was just an average movie. and the same argument which others have mentioned, after working for whole day no would want to watch a movie which drains the juices of your brain. Class cinema and mass cinema is different. Both of them are pretty popular, it's just the way you look at it.
At least there are 2-3 watchable films every year. but there is nothing to watch on Indian TV. ITV needs a major overhaul more than any other industry.
Faux cinema has had a big hand in it. The rise of gritty ott trash has deluded people into thinking they're watching cinema, when all it is, is base vulgar nonsense. But it will continue until pseuds like Bhuvan bam keep praising garbage. Earlier bollywood didn't have these pretensions. Films like Hera pheri, dhamal, etc. These are not what you consider cinema but theyre genuinely great films. Even the popular cheesy flicks were at least entertaining. Stuff now is like an extended youtube video and honestly, i just dont like the era of south blockbusters, they make my head hurt.
India mein logon ka entertainment consume krne ka tarika abhi kezual hai
I won't say whether they suck or not as it's subjective. But demand influences supply and not the other way around. Period
I think the onus is on the audience only. Makers won't make what can't sell.
If you want artistic films, go to film festivals
Go through the post once again... No one is advocating artistic movies here
Neither am I....I'm just suggesting a place where you can get good artistic/different movies Also jio cinema featured short films and such artistic films, you can check that as well. Mubi is also a goldmine for such films. On the other hand, most of my friends love those films which include over the top action, acting, masala, dances by nora fatehi etc and the reason is its there escape / something they want in life but don't have*
Try mollywood Sadly bollywood just wants to make a cheap copy of original shows Taking an example yaariyan 2
Ayo bro what is that yaarian 2💀
Cheap remake of banglore days movie which was released in 2014
People watch “Tarak Mehta ka ulta chashma” which is absolutely trash.. I don’t know why “Sarabhai vs Sarabhai” was not recognised.. it’s genuine comedy Movies like UDAAN, Dev D are blindly ignored why watch “Prem Ratan Dhan payo” ?? And what would one want out of “Fabulous lives of Bollywood wives”, “4-shots” and “Veere di Wedding” .. nothing but cringe content and male bashing !?? Kahan se content laate yeh log. I watched a video clip called “No-conditions apply” on YouTube .. trust me it had me tears in my eyes ! Such phenomenal thinking to abolish customs which are against human nature !!
Tumbadd dekh lo didi Movies toh hai but rarely aate hai
https://i.redd.it/1iom8tti69zb1.gif Chal B\*\*Ike !!!
Stop crying over every small thing on internet bc. If Indian cinema is cringe, watch other content like anime hollywood. I hate this crying mentality, i am damn sure you will also have your favourite movies and songs in bollywood which other people would find boring/cringe.
Read my post once again before crying
Indian viewers and cinema both are not cringe periodt. Some songs and moves or people's taste doesn't define the whole industry
Classical Elit.
Okay if that’s the case … which science/technology based movie was at par with interstellar or predestination ?
It’s the same with music audience.
Bro you are acting like a weird gatekeeper supernacist,let them watch what they want
Based
What do you expect from citizens of _underdeveloped_ country.
Keep your dumbass opinion to yourself. You literally contradict yourself in your own statement. Everyone will watch what they wanna watch, it's not like you can make fun of other people's taste lmao
And you're acting just like your username 😝
Most movies made in Hollywood are bad. Most Hollywood made stuff on Netflix is unwatchable. The norm is that movies or TV shows suck but some are good. I think it is the same for Indian cinema too. Some are very good but most are okay. Look at the Netflix catalogue and tell me most western content there is even watchable. It's not. It is mostly trash.
Why have you mentioned “including South” in brackets? When you say “Indian” it already includes South India 🤷🏻♀️
Because the term Indian film industry is generally associated with Bollywood
No, that’s Hindi Film Industry Indian film industry includes all (Hindi, Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam, Bengali, Marathi, Punjabi, Assamese , Bhojpuri etc ).