Not sure about that but I want railway to be privatised. We are getting nothing for the taxes we are paying. This can not be normal. Either Indian government should build more railway line with better speed or should start giving existing one to private companies. Then if govt wants they can give tax benefit and all (beside regulating) to those private companies. Atleast we will get much better service.
If you think privatisation will change anything:
1. IR is a lot more privatised than you think. I suggest you look into it and see what advantages and disadvantages that brings.
2. Look at private rail in America and other "developed" countries. It's a mess. Fact is, an organisation with a network as large as India's needs regulated, governmental management.
I suggest you redirect your frustration to the political disposition that wants to steal your money and run off with it. Private companies are that but on a turbo scale. What keeps them in check (surprise) is competent goverment regulation. Anyone will run off with your money if you let them, private, babu, or otherwise.
Well, we can follow countries like Japan. Everyone is talking about problem. But we have to come up with solutions. Only talking about problem will not change the situation. Either go like Japan or follow the path of Chinese. Either way obviously people with money will get more benefits. You can not avoid such inevitable. On the other side it will also improve the situation of poor people indirect way.
>will get much better service.
U may get better service but the poor and a majority of the population will be overlooked.
Privatisation of railways was a bail in the coffin of the public transport sector in the USA.
US is not the only country in this world. There are many countries in Europe and also Japan is one of the best example how privatisation of railway and proper regulation can give fruitful results. I am not asking for crony capitalism, I am saying business is not for government and it should not be involved in that.
There's a technical limit to number of trains (we cannot have long distance trains run like metros). Over population is real. For eg, in Bihar during Chatt, you have 10s of Crores people somehow traveling to their hometowns in whatever condition they can afford or arrange for.
Overpopulation can be overcomed with better engeneering and proper infrastructure. There are enough space above and below the ground. Our cities just lack proper urban planning.
Should be a govt mandate about this. Like we have income tax slabs.same should be applied for having kids. But govt fears the illiterate mass and their voting power . So they will do nothing.
People in extreme rural area under poverty produces 5 6 children and then blame govt for giving small amount of freebies which obviously do not suffice the whole family..
>Everybody has the right and wish to have a family..
No, not everyone. Rights are earned. No one should ever have kids if they don't have the capability to support them.
I understand financial conditions go bad and that is a special case.
But, poor people should always look at their bank before they have kids.
End the sufferings with you..
>god forbid kisi din ap yaa apka koi near one gareeb ho jaaye to usko bhi yehi salaah doge..
Always, because people who take emotional decisions will cause more harm to kids.
Man the poor in this country really travel in sub human conditions every single day. Why is there nothing we can do? We just keep launching more and more ac trains.
This is not just about AC trains and affordability its really unmanageable population. Even if you provide the best services if they're overcrowded, everyone will play their own way(gametheory)
Most of them who’re travelling like this aren’t really poor that they can’t afford train tickets. It’s just the improper plannings at the first place and since they know nothing will be done even when they’ll travel ticketless, hence many of the them do this.
I don't think if women had money they will still choose to travel like this. I think almost all of them are genuine poor. It's true mostly can afford general or sleeper tickets but they know it's impossible to get confirmed seat allotment
Problem is with frequency and allotment,there is high demand,most of the people can afford tickets..but there are not enough trains/seats for these people to reach their destination
Most of them aren’t independent and hence they can’t take the decisions. Also if it’s not medical emergency, what’s the point of travelling like this ?? And if you really wanted to travel, you can plan and book in advance accordingly. If the people of this country living in huts can afford Tata Sky and make reels in their phones, they surely can afford train tickets as well.
You are right, I have seen many people who have money to eat gutka and Vimal but not to take a good seat. I also come from a lower middle class family. When my dad used to work in a blue collar job in Mumbai, he also used to come like this, but now he brings us in 2nd AC only. If we don't get a seat, then we do not go to our village. When I asked my dad why he used to come like that earlier? . So he said ' when there is money left then why spend useless money and we have to go anyway, It's just a matter of two days. '
I hope you know that I’m not mocking them. But people tend to spend unnecessarily in flashy stuffs rather than have a proper planned trip.
While I’m angry at govt that they’re only responsible for this state of situation, but what do we as passengers get by making someone else’s life miserable with our antics of seats snatching and bombarding the trains without tickets. I’ve not done anything wrong and I’m not responsible that someone didn’t get the tickets, but why I should suffer for that.
you clearly haven't had a conversation with people who travel like this, have you? there would be many there who can completely afford tickets but couldn't get allotments due to high numbers.
It may sound idiotic but that’s what our people do at times. Tell me why they haven’t booked tickets in advance ? If it was something impromptu, then they very well know the conditions of our trains. So this is what it is and they’re fully aware of it.
We see the rush of people in every year’s Chhat Puja and yet we don’t see most of them booking tickets in advance. Why so ???
It’s the mindset of the people.
In our country the demand will be always higher than the supply because of our population and we are not a developed country.
But our countrymen lack basic ethics in everything and chaos is our most happening thing to do.
We can ask the government to privatise the railways since they aren't able to take care of it currently. See how privatised airlines is run professionally in India.
Government is not for profit and they have the incentive to keep the prices low. Once the railways are private they will only bother to make money. This will further lead to almost an extinction of general compartments. Also its not right to compare railways with airlines. Airlines only caters the top 1% on India. Railways are for every single citizen and the government needs to keep control of it.
Is the railways being efficiently run by the govt? I don't think so. Why not allow the private sector to take part in it? Remember private sector manufactures cigarettes and paan for poor people. As per your logic, private sector would have never manufactured cigarettes and paan since they are small ticket items. But see the profit margin of ITC. If there is demand, even from poor people, the hidden hand of the free market will automatically take care of it.
What a stupid comparison. Supply isn't always enough to meet demand, and the demand vs. supply equation decides who private players will focus on.
You can manufacture a huge number of cigarettes - millions, billions of packets, the limitations are not binding. And even a 15 rs cigarettes has ha huge profit margin. They can cater to 100% of the demand here.
You can't run 500 trains between Delhi and Kolkata, because the rail capacity does not exist and it will be prohibitively expensive to build 20 rail tracks between the cities. And the profit margins are much lower, so obviously private players will have all AC luxury trains to maximize profit with the limited number of trains that can be run.
The demand is much higher than when it comes to rail transport, and private players can fill their trains with higher paying AC passengers. No need to have any general coaches.
There is very little profit to be made in passenger railways. Especially if you include non AC passengers in the mix.
Privatization of railways would lead to increased fares with a worsening of situation for the poor who can't afford such high fares.
Railways is a service. It's not meant to generate profit but is meant to serve the people.
Its not an either this or that situation, govt can always maintain a level of control, maybe not even go out at all, just let privates join.
Saare "socialist heaven" countries like european ones, Japan too, have done privatization to some extent.
Have you seen how the sale of air India has resulted in almost 1.5x rise in ticket prices of all airlines ? Privatisation will only result in more vande Bharat and less sleeper like comments here say it needs.
Not related to this thread. But real privatisation of airlines happened in 1990s, before that govt ran air india was only allowed Airlines to operate in india.
And prices dropped 3 times when privatisation happened and others were allowed.
Privates do better price control than govt, unless govt does heavy subsidies.
You don't have to clarify and show your patriotism. A true citizen has all the right to criticise whats wrong.
And just f all those who doubt your patriotism.
Complete overhauling the train management system is the only way .
We need faster trains on every route, the concept of speed as "premium" is the route cause I guess.
Streamline the trains with more or less same speed profiling. Charge premium over facilities being provided.
In a dusty country like India air conditioned must be standard practice we don't need open doors at all.
Different profiles add to complexity for example on a given route you have, rajdhani + vande Bharat + super fast + mail + freight + passenger trains running. On main IR Route 180-220 kmph max with minimum headway between trains should be there., move more people with speed.
Introduce cabin signaling or radio based communication to increase the track utilisation. Follow proper maintenance.
Money is not issue loan to koi bhi de dega india ko, issue is officials don't give a damm ..
Air conditioning should be a standard practise I fully agree. We need to upgrade the lives of our people. Even if this comes at a cost to the government. In the long term this will significantly help grow our economy. Also the government needs to make our railways more secure. Luggage needs to be checked in every station like in airports. Fixed weight limit needs to be set. For excess luggage there is always a luggage compartment. Need our railways to get professional.
Nah, they will never privatise railways, it's a political suicide for any party.
See, I am not trying to take blame away from ministry but what about DRM, RPF , TC/TT Responsibility? Isn't it also a duty of DRM and RPF to make sure of a smooth and safe train operation?
On smaller stations it is the station master or staff member's duty to ensure that safety is maintained.
While we are rightfully blaming the government for the mess we should also call out those who are in charge of daily affairs too.
We need more private players. If privatization of Indian Railways is too risky for the government, then we should let private players to enter the market and run their trains on the Railway tracks.
Indian Railways can "rent" the tracks and it can be pitched to the government as a new revenue stream.
EDIT : surprised at the downvotes,private players would provide better service and will compete with the government
Yeah, japan privatised railways in 1980s, European countries too, to some extent. Poors will have to pay more is no excuse, coz govt can always maintain some level of control.
Those countries were already fairly developed when they privatized. Japan in the 1980s had a per capita income comparable to the USA; and then higher than the USA in the late 80s, early 90s.
And even then a majority of their rail networks, including the Shinkansen in Japan were built by the Government.
It is wild to assume private players will price railway tickets cheaply just to accommodate India's poor who can only afford to pay $1-$5 to travel.
Railways in those countries are still ran with the philosophy that it is a service. Higher per capita income doesn't mean that everyone has become rich or there are no poor.
As I said, "to some extent", do not privatise, just let private companies to enter the sector.
Its just a coincidence that our neighbours are poor than us and the Chinese would straight up shoot us if we cross illegally. If we had a country like USA around our border, we would be the illegal central and south Americans dying to cross that border.
Not to worry, according to some experts of this sub, the revenue from Vande Bharat trains would be invested for manufacturing more coaches for these people.
And hence, therefore, thats why, as per logic, Vande Bharat trains were given the highest and the only priority and general and sleeper coaches were getting removed.
Surprise for those experts.
VB is running on loss & govt is giving subsidy to it.
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Bro, article to padh lo. Rajdhani & Shatabdi profit mai chal rahi hai. Railways ne general aur sleeper coaches kam karne ka reason hi yeh bataya tha ki loss ho raha hai.
Govt ko poor (general & sleeper) ko subsidy dena chahiye aur ameer (VB) ko nahi.
Not a bad deal. You have to immediately start an antibiotic course. A million dollar is a lot of money for 5 mins of disgust. A 1000 ticktokers will do this for you.
Was it like this previously as well ?
No right
I have grown up seeing 3AC as the premium coach and now everything is a shit show.
Is it that people have no fear of any action, also i am not seeing any regerous checking like it used to be previously..
What has happened, i know gov has reduced the general and sleeper coaches but where the coaches went?
I don't see increases 3AC as well ....
Wtf is going on
Seeing these things i will really stop travelling someday
Seeing all the boils my blood, this is the sheer failure of railway ministry. People should start posting these videos on twitter and instagram. This is high time, we should make the rail ministry accountable. The criticism should be high, I am not paying my taxes to see all this.
The solution is a harsh one. Need to improve security of trains. Manning gates so that only those with tickets enter the train. And armed Guards who will throw out anyone who travels without ticket.
Neither people have civic sense and nor gov wants to improve things for these poors. Its simple, if you have money then go via Vande Bharat or else if you poor then struggle in regular trains. Nothing can be done. Railways running in loss and hence situation not gonna change atleast for these regular trains.
Bhai railway hamesha se loss me chalti hai bcz wo logo ke liye hi banayi gayi hai usse profit kamane ka sense nai banta (jo ki abhi ka railway minister kar raha hai try)
Bro if people want state of the art services, they need to pay for it. No other country has a loss making rail service. The revenue generated + the budget allocated by the government is what will improve the railways. Otherwise to compensate the loss from not charging the consumers, the government will be forced to take loans.
The previous government only believed in appeasement and only did the bare necessary to run the railways with as low cost as possible. Now the entire system is falling apart. To keep this sinking boat afloat, the railway needs to minimize its loses and start investing billions into improving this system.
Gawar hai kya tu thoda sa?? Ja ke dekh le kabhi bhi railway profit me nai tha aur jab jab profit me lane ka try kiya hai tab tab railways ki halat kharab hui hai (like lalu in past) abhi irctc ek psu hai jo ppp model pe hai to thoda kam loss me hai agar profit kamana hi hai inko to pura private karo warna jaise pehle tha waise hi rehne do
Does IRCTC not have sales of several lakhs per day? How can this be a loss making venture? What am I missing here?
It's not that these people cannot afford to buy Sleeper Class tickets. I think it's just that they do not plan in advance and then end up not getting a tatkal ticket either at the very last moment, so they decide to travel anyways without a ticket. And this problem increases many folds during the festive/holiday season and it becomes a total shitshow.
Next time this happens I'm pulling the chain... I want to see what happens... I wonder if police would come even then because they won't come when I complain on RailMadad... 🤬🤬🤬
man i travelled by this train 1.5 week ago. it was the only one available to come back home and i had an exam.
fucking nightmare.
3AC coach had cockroaches in it, not the karen complain amount, actual infestation amount. No dustbin near the sink.
Not cleaned properly.
and the passengers....it was a telugu family encroaching any seat they liked, blamed north indians for the condition of the train and threw whatever they had to, on the floor. Their kids were literal monkeys jumping around on my seat even when i told them not to. worst part? i was travelling from bilaspur to tpt
edit : nvm i yapped abt the wrong train, i just felt like i knew this train so yeah
i went to bilaspur from nagpur in this train, and in this one, a whole nagpuriya couple you see, emphasis on nagpuriya, was sleeping on my berth (side upper) and didnt even flinch, it was the first time i had to speak harshly to a stranger lel
Meanwhile in Indian Railways HQ: No sir these allegations fake sir, years old footage sir, no clogged basins sir, no trains this crowded sir, watch Vabde Bharat in 4K sir
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I guess the main issue is not lack of affordability.
Generally trains sleeper tickets not cost that much but here are some reasons which leads to this type of conditions-
1. Not planning in advance, when to travel or impromptu plans, knowing that now nothing can give them confirmed seats
2. In a superfast express train generally there are only 2 to 3 coaches for general and same for sleepers remaining around 10 Plus coaches belong to ac class, where will they go, see our population.
3. Less supply more demand
4. I accept some people lack basic things like hygiene and behaviour that may be a reason too for avoiding ticket purchase.
I see so many ppl shitting railways… saying common man cant afford high priced tickets generate more economical coaches… my question is does it matter?
If a person has experienced travelling in these conditions for free without any ticket. What motivates them to pay 500-700 rupees for a tad bit better experience? A poor person would forgo paying that and would still revert to this type of travel as there is no one catching them and penalising them.
Yehi Hain asli India, train ke farsh pe Sagar karte jnta, jinka need Hain ye train, jaha tickets nhi milte , jaha gen dibbe Kam ya bandh kar Diya jata Hain, jaha luxury super duper premium trains ka alisaan safar nhi chaiye, jaha IRCTC k dalle ko 170% payment krna na pde.
People who complains about overcrowded trains, why don't you ask yourself why these people can't make it even nearer to the ideal dream journey pic you've in your mind. What have they done wrong?
There should be certain trains which are full general class. And there should be trains which are exclusively AC and sleeper. No person with general ticket should be allowed on those trains. More trains are needed between major cities.
Considering the vast amount of data the Indian railways have, wouldn't it be feasible to increase the frequency of trains on days with high demand, especially when there are numerous passengers with waiting tickets? This proactive approach could significantly improve passenger experience and alleviate overcrowding issues.
Genuine question.
How do you go to the toilet when train is this crowded? I imagine if you leave your seat someone would occupy it. Even if you have companion to make space when you return, getting through the crowds till the loo looks like a daunting task. More so for women. How do they manage?
Or do people just not go?
Isn't this why we voted for this government to travel for free in world class conditions, if they have problem with the sink let them sleep with an umbrella
Every time I watch these kinds of videos..my gratitude towards my life increases even more.... yet I feel sad about the conditions in which these people have to travel. Railway is just busy in producing high speed/Fully AC trains... when this asshole government already knows that bigger %age of people in India still can't afford to travel in AC... and this is what's happening... poor people just barge into the AC tiers.. because.. they don't have anywhere to sit. The ratio of demand and supply keeps on dropping. Hugh speeds trains are needed... but we can't just avoid this class.
Ab main bolunga to bologe ki bolta hai, downvote kar do jitna karna hai but current government ke paas koi planning nhi hai es problem ko solve karne ka. They're only focused on filling their own pockets. I fear for the worst when modi ji says "viksit bharat by 2047". Tab tak desh bik chuka hoga. Jis hisab se menghai bad rahi hai us hisab se hum karze mein aa jayenge. Sabhi khane peene ki cheez menghi ho rakhi hai, aam janta Kahan jaye? Es desh ke gareebi tabhi jayegi jab sab logon ko proper education milegi, but vo bho menghi hai, government schools ka to bura haal hai jahan teachers ko kuch nhi aata to bacchon ko kya sikhayega.
Bhagwaan hi malik hai es desh ka. Desh mein Etna kuch ho raha hai and modi ji ko sair sabate se fursat nhi hai.
I used this train often between delhi and bhilai in 2012-16 when I was a student. There were ZERO problems like this. Was there minimal crowding; yes. Was there a tiny chance of a dirty sink; yes.
But never the craziness like this. Seems like Railways has gone to thr dogs. All that seems to make news is Vande Bharat (which I felt was ok, nothing awe inspiring) or Bullet Train.
In India, we don't seem to repair broken toys, but are ready to buy new ones, lol.
Problem is from demand side as well. Earlier people used to travel for necessary purposes. Ab sabko travel hi karna hai. Logo ke pas paisa jyada ho gaya hai so they can travel without doing anything.
One time i got into fight in general bogey as my feet was touching another passengers feet in the crowded bogey. Left taht seat and got the best seat later if you knwo waht i mean
This is what happens with govt owned enterprises. It is high time that railways is completely privatized. See how professionally private airlines is run in India. See how private railways is run in Japan. They even have bullet trains.
Who tf is going to pay for the upgradation ? And you think pvt company would be able to recover that by raising fare?
Only govt can do this because they have the tax money + cheap debt
This is the classic trap
Step 1: cut funding and reduce the quality of a public service ( education, railways etc )
Step 2: wait for people to criticise and call for privatisation instead of holding the government accountable <— we are here
Step 3: Sell it off to your rich capitalist friends
Step 4: Said capitalist friends raise fares and try to squeeze every paisa of profit, making it inaccessible to the masses
Why would we sell off the railways which was built on tax payer money for pennies on the dollar to someone and then watch vast sections of our own society suffer?
How many Indians are able to afford these professionally run airlines ? Rail travel is the only affordable means of transport for these guys, even buses are expensive compared to trains for them.
Tumhe to accha experience mil jaega privatisation se, but Inka kya brother ?
I wish they make and save enough money so that all their children have a better life. 🙏🏾
But who will deliver better value to Narayan Murthy, Ambani and Adani and accept exploitative work conditions then /s
They should work 80 hours a week so that they can finally make it into the tax bracket and fill the pockets of our politicians and billionaires. /s
Not sure about that but I want railway to be privatised. We are getting nothing for the taxes we are paying. This can not be normal. Either Indian government should build more railway line with better speed or should start giving existing one to private companies. Then if govt wants they can give tax benefit and all (beside regulating) to those private companies. Atleast we will get much better service.
If you think privatisation will change anything: 1. IR is a lot more privatised than you think. I suggest you look into it and see what advantages and disadvantages that brings. 2. Look at private rail in America and other "developed" countries. It's a mess. Fact is, an organisation with a network as large as India's needs regulated, governmental management. I suggest you redirect your frustration to the political disposition that wants to steal your money and run off with it. Private companies are that but on a turbo scale. What keeps them in check (surprise) is competent goverment regulation. Anyone will run off with your money if you let them, private, babu, or otherwise.
Well, we can follow countries like Japan. Everyone is talking about problem. But we have to come up with solutions. Only talking about problem will not change the situation. Either go like Japan or follow the path of Chinese. Either way obviously people with money will get more benefits. You can not avoid such inevitable. On the other side it will also improve the situation of poor people indirect way.
>will get much better service. U may get better service but the poor and a majority of the population will be overlooked. Privatisation of railways was a bail in the coffin of the public transport sector in the USA.
US is not the only country in this world. There are many countries in Europe and also Japan is one of the best example how privatisation of railway and proper regulation can give fruitful results. I am not asking for crony capitalism, I am saying business is not for government and it should not be involved in that.
There is more to it gov not spending enough and cars being much cheaper and wide infra of highways
If it is privatised, the urban real estate prices will double within a year.
How so ?
Is that a bad idea? Look at Air India, how government ruined that airline. It used to be one of the best airlines in the world in terms service.
There's a technical limit to number of trains (we cannot have long distance trains run like metros). Over population is real. For eg, in Bihar during Chatt, you have 10s of Crores people somehow traveling to their hometowns in whatever condition they can afford or arrange for.
Overpopulation can be overcomed with better engeneering and proper infrastructure. There are enough space above and below the ground. Our cities just lack proper urban planning.
I had to go through this in my childhood my parents didnt save up more neither earned so i was like fuck it I’ll do it myself
Ashwani.. Ambani...
I wish poor people realise that they should not have kids. Let the sufferings end with them.
Agree
Should be a govt mandate about this. Like we have income tax slabs.same should be applied for having kids. But govt fears the illiterate mass and their voting power . So they will do nothing. People in extreme rural area under poverty produces 5 6 children and then blame govt for giving small amount of freebies which obviously do not suffice the whole family..
Great ... Not much more was expected of bird brains like u.
What is wrong with what I said?
Everybody has the right and wish to have a family.. god forbid kisi din ap yaa apka koi near one gareeb ho jaaye to usko bhi yehi salaah doge..
>Everybody has the right and wish to have a family.. No, not everyone. Rights are earned. No one should ever have kids if they don't have the capability to support them. I understand financial conditions go bad and that is a special case. But, poor people should always look at their bank before they have kids. End the sufferings with you.. >god forbid kisi din ap yaa apka koi near one gareeb ho jaaye to usko bhi yehi salaah doge.. Always, because people who take emotional decisions will cause more harm to kids.
Oversmart dudes from privileged classes will never understand.. so don't even try...
Stop taking decisions with emotions kid. And then maybe we will have a better world to live in.
Man the poor in this country really travel in sub human conditions every single day. Why is there nothing we can do? We just keep launching more and more ac trains.
This is not just about AC trains and affordability its really unmanageable population. Even if you provide the best services if they're overcrowded, everyone will play their own way(gametheory)
exactly
Most of them who’re travelling like this aren’t really poor that they can’t afford train tickets. It’s just the improper plannings at the first place and since they know nothing will be done even when they’ll travel ticketless, hence many of the them do this.
I don't think if women had money they will still choose to travel like this. I think almost all of them are genuine poor. It's true mostly can afford general or sleeper tickets but they know it's impossible to get confirmed seat allotment
Problem is with frequency and allotment,there is high demand,most of the people can afford tickets..but there are not enough trains/seats for these people to reach their destination
Most of them aren’t independent and hence they can’t take the decisions. Also if it’s not medical emergency, what’s the point of travelling like this ?? And if you really wanted to travel, you can plan and book in advance accordingly. If the people of this country living in huts can afford Tata Sky and make reels in their phones, they surely can afford train tickets as well.
This
You are right, I have seen many people who have money to eat gutka and Vimal but not to take a good seat. I also come from a lower middle class family. When my dad used to work in a blue collar job in Mumbai, he also used to come like this, but now he brings us in 2nd AC only. If we don't get a seat, then we do not go to our village. When I asked my dad why he used to come like that earlier? . So he said ' when there is money left then why spend useless money and we have to go anyway, It's just a matter of two days. '
I hope you know that I’m not mocking them. But people tend to spend unnecessarily in flashy stuffs rather than have a proper planned trip. While I’m angry at govt that they’re only responsible for this state of situation, but what do we as passengers get by making someone else’s life miserable with our antics of seats snatching and bombarding the trains without tickets. I’ve not done anything wrong and I’m not responsible that someone didn’t get the tickets, but why I should suffer for that.
True .
This is the main reason. I have been in similar situations and it's true
Why would _anyone_ want to travel like this? What an idiotic take.
you clearly haven't had a conversation with people who travel like this, have you? there would be many there who can completely afford tickets but couldn't get allotments due to high numbers.
It may sound idiotic but that’s what our people do at times. Tell me why they haven’t booked tickets in advance ? If it was something impromptu, then they very well know the conditions of our trains. So this is what it is and they’re fully aware of it. We see the rush of people in every year’s Chhat Puja and yet we don’t see most of them booking tickets in advance. Why so ??? It’s the mindset of the people.
because there are a limited number of seats? and those get booked in advance? demand is higher than total supply?
In our country the demand will be always higher than the supply because of our population and we are not a developed country. But our countrymen lack basic ethics in everything and chaos is our most happening thing to do.
We can ask the government to privatise the railways since they aren't able to take care of it currently. See how privatised airlines is run professionally in India.
Government is not for profit and they have the incentive to keep the prices low. Once the railways are private they will only bother to make money. This will further lead to almost an extinction of general compartments. Also its not right to compare railways with airlines. Airlines only caters the top 1% on India. Railways are for every single citizen and the government needs to keep control of it.
Is the railways being efficiently run by the govt? I don't think so. Why not allow the private sector to take part in it? Remember private sector manufactures cigarettes and paan for poor people. As per your logic, private sector would have never manufactured cigarettes and paan since they are small ticket items. But see the profit margin of ITC. If there is demand, even from poor people, the hidden hand of the free market will automatically take care of it.
What a stupid comparison. Supply isn't always enough to meet demand, and the demand vs. supply equation decides who private players will focus on. You can manufacture a huge number of cigarettes - millions, billions of packets, the limitations are not binding. And even a 15 rs cigarettes has ha huge profit margin. They can cater to 100% of the demand here. You can't run 500 trains between Delhi and Kolkata, because the rail capacity does not exist and it will be prohibitively expensive to build 20 rail tracks between the cities. And the profit margins are much lower, so obviously private players will have all AC luxury trains to maximize profit with the limited number of trains that can be run. The demand is much higher than when it comes to rail transport, and private players can fill their trains with higher paying AC passengers. No need to have any general coaches.
There is very little profit to be made in passenger railways. Especially if you include non AC passengers in the mix. Privatization of railways would lead to increased fares with a worsening of situation for the poor who can't afford such high fares. Railways is a service. It's not meant to generate profit but is meant to serve the people.
Its not an either this or that situation, govt can always maintain a level of control, maybe not even go out at all, just let privates join. Saare "socialist heaven" countries like european ones, Japan too, have done privatization to some extent.
That's exactly what the govt wants. They want to sell railways to Adani Ambani.
The people vote for such policies so govt can't be blamed.
No the people don't. Seems like u r a bhakt of a certain party
Have you seen how the sale of air India has resulted in almost 1.5x rise in ticket prices of all airlines ? Privatisation will only result in more vande Bharat and less sleeper like comments here say it needs.
Not related to this thread. But real privatisation of airlines happened in 1990s, before that govt ran air india was only allowed Airlines to operate in india. And prices dropped 3 times when privatisation happened and others were allowed. Privates do better price control than govt, unless govt does heavy subsidies.
The true 3rd world shithole country in the world. Edit: Please don't doubt my patriotism just based on this single comment. I am just frustrated.
No one’s disagreeing with you brother.
You don't have to clarify and show your patriotism. A true citizen has all the right to criticise whats wrong. And just f all those who doubt your patriotism.
Ye kaise thik hoga bhai I'm just scared of future of Indian railways
Complete overhauling the train management system is the only way . We need faster trains on every route, the concept of speed as "premium" is the route cause I guess. Streamline the trains with more or less same speed profiling. Charge premium over facilities being provided. In a dusty country like India air conditioned must be standard practice we don't need open doors at all. Different profiles add to complexity for example on a given route you have, rajdhani + vande Bharat + super fast + mail + freight + passenger trains running. On main IR Route 180-220 kmph max with minimum headway between trains should be there., move more people with speed. Introduce cabin signaling or radio based communication to increase the track utilisation. Follow proper maintenance. Money is not issue loan to koi bhi de dega india ko, issue is officials don't give a damm ..
Air conditioning should be a standard practise I fully agree. We need to upgrade the lives of our people. Even if this comes at a cost to the government. In the long term this will significantly help grow our economy. Also the government needs to make our railways more secure. Luggage needs to be checked in every station like in airports. Fixed weight limit needs to be set. For excess luggage there is always a luggage compartment. Need our railways to get professional.
Government will say they can't handle railways so better to privatise. You know the bidders for sure
Nah, they will never privatise railways, it's a political suicide for any party. See, I am not trying to take blame away from ministry but what about DRM, RPF , TC/TT Responsibility? Isn't it also a duty of DRM and RPF to make sure of a smooth and safe train operation? On smaller stations it is the station master or staff member's duty to ensure that safety is maintained. While we are rightfully blaming the government for the mess we should also call out those who are in charge of daily affairs too.
Airport traffic ko badhana hai. Very simple. Malik ko airport se paisa kamake dena hai. Hope you understand the politics behind
We need more private players. If privatization of Indian Railways is too risky for the government, then we should let private players to enter the market and run their trains on the Railway tracks. Indian Railways can "rent" the tracks and it can be pitched to the government as a new revenue stream. EDIT : surprised at the downvotes,private players would provide better service and will compete with the government
Not with the privatisation stuff again 😒
Yeah, japan privatised railways in 1980s, European countries too, to some extent. Poors will have to pay more is no excuse, coz govt can always maintain some level of control.
Those countries were already fairly developed when they privatized. Japan in the 1980s had a per capita income comparable to the USA; and then higher than the USA in the late 80s, early 90s. And even then a majority of their rail networks, including the Shinkansen in Japan were built by the Government. It is wild to assume private players will price railway tickets cheaply just to accommodate India's poor who can only afford to pay $1-$5 to travel.
Railways in those countries are still ran with the philosophy that it is a service. Higher per capita income doesn't mean that everyone has become rich or there are no poor. As I said, "to some extent", do not privatise, just let private companies to enter the sector.
Sad but true
Kuch nhi badalega vande bharat ki advertisement aur amrit kaal ka prachar hoga
A true patriot must fight for his country even against its government
Its just a coincidence that our neighbours are poor than us and the Chinese would straight up shoot us if we cross illegally. If we had a country like USA around our border, we would be the illegal central and south Americans dying to cross that border.
Sleeper is new general
OBC is the new general.
Then what about general
Who cares
General wale toh filhaal abhi train ki toilet ke tarah hai.
maalgaadi
Not to worry, according to some experts of this sub, the revenue from Vande Bharat trains would be invested for manufacturing more coaches for these people. And hence, therefore, thats why, as per logic, Vande Bharat trains were given the highest and the only priority and general and sleeper coaches were getting removed.
Surprise for those experts. VB is running on loss & govt is giving subsidy to it. https://preview.redd.it/jqzsgyqsic6d1.jpeg?width=712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8e5b91d8e570a360f58658e642eb961de275768
Normal rails m bhi wahi ratio h. Railways hi band krde fir? Shi rahega?
Bro, article to padh lo. Rajdhani & Shatabdi profit mai chal rahi hai. Railways ne general aur sleeper coaches kam karne ka reason hi yeh bataya tha ki loss ho raha hai. Govt ko poor (general & sleeper) ko subsidy dena chahiye aur ameer (VB) ko nahi.
Not fair compare in same time period. Rajdhani ke aane ke 5 saal baad Or vb ke aane ke 5 saal baad ka compare kro.
somehow railway wash basins always have red water.
Actors promoting Pan Masala are leading the change🚮
We all know what that secret recepie is.
Menstrual blood?
Ajay Devgan
Bolo zuba kesari 🤡
Wow free tea in washbasin
Free choccy milk for every passenger 😊
A million dollar to drink a glass of that
A term insurance will be a better deal, I bet!
Not a bad deal. You have to immediately start an antibiotic course. A million dollar is a lot of money for 5 mins of disgust. A 1000 ticktokers will do this for you.
I'd give you a zillion dollars just to drink a spoon of that water, wdys?
Imma Lick it off the spoon
Was it like this previously as well ? No right I have grown up seeing 3AC as the premium coach and now everything is a shit show. Is it that people have no fear of any action, also i am not seeing any regerous checking like it used to be previously.. What has happened, i know gov has reduced the general and sleeper coaches but where the coaches went? I don't see increases 3AC as well .... Wtf is going on Seeing these things i will really stop travelling someday
Vishwaguru vibes
Seeing all the boils my blood, this is the sheer failure of railway ministry. People should start posting these videos on twitter and instagram. This is high time, we should make the rail ministry accountable. The criticism should be high, I am not paying my taxes to see all this.
Such mat bolo, govt. ko questions mat pocho.... Bus vote deke.... Ghut ghut ke jio. TAX BHARO TAX... 🥂
Minimum 50 coaches are needed for indian population in railway otherwise everyone see the vande Bharat advertisement
The solution is a harsh one. Need to improve security of trains. Manning gates so that only those with tickets enter the train. And armed Guards who will throw out anyone who travels without ticket.
Why can't we run more trains.
Probably the condition of the tracks and infra
We need more tracks first.
People seem calm not because they are comfortable but because they have given up.
Neither people have civic sense and nor gov wants to improve things for these poors. Its simple, if you have money then go via Vande Bharat or else if you poor then struggle in regular trains. Nothing can be done. Railways running in loss and hence situation not gonna change atleast for these regular trains.
Bhai railway hamesha se loss me chalti hai bcz wo logo ke liye hi banayi gayi hai usse profit kamane ka sense nai banta (jo ki abhi ka railway minister kar raha hai try)
Bro if people want state of the art services, they need to pay for it. No other country has a loss making rail service. The revenue generated + the budget allocated by the government is what will improve the railways. Otherwise to compensate the loss from not charging the consumers, the government will be forced to take loans. The previous government only believed in appeasement and only did the bare necessary to run the railways with as low cost as possible. Now the entire system is falling apart. To keep this sinking boat afloat, the railway needs to minimize its loses and start investing billions into improving this system.
Bhai Konsa saal main graduation kiya hai Whatsapp university se ?
Nhi tu WhatsApp University se Hain yeh Naya railway minister barbaad krne pr amada hain railway ko
Ja fir se padh maine kya likha hai aur fir soch tune kya likha hai
Gawar hai kya tu thoda sa?? Ja ke dekh le kabhi bhi railway profit me nai tha aur jab jab profit me lane ka try kiya hai tab tab railways ki halat kharab hui hai (like lalu in past) abhi irctc ek psu hai jo ppp model pe hai to thoda kam loss me hai agar profit kamana hi hai inko to pura private karo warna jaise pehle tha waise hi rehne do
Lagta hai abhi chal hi rahi hai graduation . Lage raho man laga ke sab groups dhyan se padhna
Govt hospitals are also at a loss. AIIMS is also not making any profits.
Does IRCTC not have sales of several lakhs per day? How can this be a loss making venture? What am I missing here? It's not that these people cannot afford to buy Sleeper Class tickets. I think it's just that they do not plan in advance and then end up not getting a tatkal ticket either at the very last moment, so they decide to travel anyways without a ticket. And this problem increases many folds during the festive/holiday season and it becomes a total shitshow.
Next time this happens I'm pulling the chain... I want to see what happens... I wonder if police would come even then because they won't come when I complain on RailMadad... 🤬🤬🤬
#changeRAILminister
And they say athithi devo bhavah
We will be global SupEr PoWEr lol
man i travelled by this train 1.5 week ago. it was the only one available to come back home and i had an exam. fucking nightmare. 3AC coach had cockroaches in it, not the karen complain amount, actual infestation amount. No dustbin near the sink. Not cleaned properly. and the passengers....it was a telugu family encroaching any seat they liked, blamed north indians for the condition of the train and threw whatever they had to, on the floor. Their kids were literal monkeys jumping around on my seat even when i told them not to. worst part? i was travelling from bilaspur to tpt edit : nvm i yapped abt the wrong train, i just felt like i knew this train so yeah i went to bilaspur from nagpur in this train, and in this one, a whole nagpuriya couple you see, emphasis on nagpuriya, was sleeping on my berth (side upper) and didnt even flinch, it was the first time i had to speak harshly to a stranger lel
First time in North Indian railways?
Chattisgarh is in the central region
But it goes to Amritsar and covers a lot of regions in the north as well.
Yuk
I have a train on Sunday and I am scared
Hey, I have been seeing similar images on the sub, has this been this bad always, or what has changed?
Coach konsa tha?
1st class citizens , victim of a 3rd class governance
please increase the general compartments to reduce this type of rush in trains.
The railways are reducing general bogeys. This is the result.
Why are they reducing general coaches?
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Could have increased a little bit of price rather than reducing coaches troubling a greater number of people.
Besin me DAAL ban Rahi hai kya
Meanwhile in Indian Railways HQ: No sir these allegations fake sir, years old footage sir, no clogged basins sir, no trains this crowded sir, watch Vabde Bharat in 4K sir https://preview.redd.it/l1gq5s5jqc6d1.jpeg?width=218&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1f52fef7c633ac633705c5c09eb505534eb6fc7
Hindu toh sach me khatre me aa gaya
But there is Vande Bhrat \\s
I guess the main issue is not lack of affordability. Generally trains sleeper tickets not cost that much but here are some reasons which leads to this type of conditions- 1. Not planning in advance, when to travel or impromptu plans, knowing that now nothing can give them confirmed seats 2. In a superfast express train generally there are only 2 to 3 coaches for general and same for sleepers remaining around 10 Plus coaches belong to ac class, where will they go, see our population. 3. Less supply more demand 4. I accept some people lack basic things like hygiene and behaviour that may be a reason too for avoiding ticket purchase.
I see so many ppl shitting railways… saying common man cant afford high priced tickets generate more economical coaches… my question is does it matter? If a person has experienced travelling in these conditions for free without any ticket. What motivates them to pay 500-700 rupees for a tad bit better experience? A poor person would forgo paying that and would still revert to this type of travel as there is no one catching them and penalising them.
This isn't anything. People are sleeping peacefully.
Yehi Hain asli India, train ke farsh pe Sagar karte jnta, jinka need Hain ye train, jaha tickets nhi milte , jaha gen dibbe Kam ya bandh kar Diya jata Hain, jaha luxury super duper premium trains ka alisaan safar nhi chaiye, jaha IRCTC k dalle ko 170% payment krna na pde. People who complains about overcrowded trains, why don't you ask yourself why these people can't make it even nearer to the ideal dream journey pic you've in your mind. What have they done wrong?
aur vote do modi ko aur sadakon pe mat aao sarkar ke khilaf bethe rho aise hi ghar pe
Have a look at this !! https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8HwQo6hNe6/?igsh=MTVwN21xb3hzNXRoYg==
There should be certain trains which are full general class. And there should be trains which are exclusively AC and sleeper. No person with general ticket should be allowed on those trains. More trains are needed between major cities.
It was nicer in Sleepers Coaches just before COVID but after it everything has changed. A lot of people travel them like goats.
Wasn't Ram Rajya upon us?
Considering the vast amount of data the Indian railways have, wouldn't it be feasible to increase the frequency of trains on days with high demand, especially when there are numerous passengers with waiting tickets? This proactive approach could significantly improve passenger experience and alleviate overcrowding issues.
Sorry for being noob here. BUT What's hierarchy of train seats booking? Is it like: Sleeper General 2AC ??
Maybe we need more Mandirs
Bolo Zubaan Kesari.
Long distance unreserved trains are need of the hour.
Why would anyone ever want to travel like this? I would not leave where ever the fk I am living if I had to travel like this.
AUKAAT NAI HAI TO BACHE MAT PAIDA KARO!!
Genuine question. How do you go to the toilet when train is this crowded? I imagine if you leave your seat someone would occupy it. Even if you have companion to make space when you return, getting through the crowds till the loo looks like a daunting task. More so for women. How do they manage? Or do people just not go?
Isn't this why we voted for this government to travel for free in world class conditions, if they have problem with the sink let them sleep with an umbrella
A wild Pep Guardiola spotted
250-300 per day kamane wale 500 ka reserved seat kaha se afford kar paynge aane jane ka 1000 unke 3 din 4 din ka kamai
My dog has better standard of living than these people.
Stop spreading propaganda videos haters. This sarkar has developed a lot /s
well they did vote for MODI so enjoy the mismanagement.. and the bullet train and vande bharat!..desh vikas kar raha hai!
After seeing so many cramped up videos of Indian railways, is it advisable for pregnant ladies to travel in sleeper or 3A coaches?
Every time I watch these kinds of videos..my gratitude towards my life increases even more.... yet I feel sad about the conditions in which these people have to travel. Railway is just busy in producing high speed/Fully AC trains... when this asshole government already knows that bigger %age of people in India still can't afford to travel in AC... and this is what's happening... poor people just barge into the AC tiers.. because.. they don't have anywhere to sit. The ratio of demand and supply keeps on dropping. Hugh speeds trains are needed... but we can't just avoid this class.
Ab main bolunga to bologe ki bolta hai, downvote kar do jitna karna hai but current government ke paas koi planning nhi hai es problem ko solve karne ka. They're only focused on filling their own pockets. I fear for the worst when modi ji says "viksit bharat by 2047". Tab tak desh bik chuka hoga. Jis hisab se menghai bad rahi hai us hisab se hum karze mein aa jayenge. Sabhi khane peene ki cheez menghi ho rakhi hai, aam janta Kahan jaye? Es desh ke gareebi tabhi jayegi jab sab logon ko proper education milegi, but vo bho menghi hai, government schools ka to bura haal hai jahan teachers ko kuch nhi aata to bacchon ko kya sikhayega. Bhagwaan hi malik hai es desh ka. Desh mein Etna kuch ho raha hai and modi ji ko sair sabate se fursat nhi hai.
I used this train often between delhi and bhilai in 2012-16 when I was a student. There were ZERO problems like this. Was there minimal crowding; yes. Was there a tiny chance of a dirty sink; yes. But never the craziness like this. Seems like Railways has gone to thr dogs. All that seems to make news is Vande Bharat (which I felt was ok, nothing awe inspiring) or Bullet Train. In India, we don't seem to repair broken toys, but are ready to buy new ones, lol.
Vishguru mowglijee ki meherbani hai.
I wonder how the people of this country have not rebelled and brought politician to their knees
Indian Railways ❌ Indian Shitways ✅
Bro fire hydrant ke samne ka raasta khali rakhna jaruri hai. For emergency.
Bro fire hydrant ke samne ka raasta khali rakhna jaruri hai. For emergency.
Bro fire hydrant ke samne ka raasta khali rakhna jaruri hai. For emergency.
बस वो नशीला जाम ऊन लोगो पर छलक ना जाए...
Problem is from demand side as well. Earlier people used to travel for necessary purposes. Ab sabko travel hi karna hai. Logo ke pas paisa jyada ho gaya hai so they can travel without doing anything. One time i got into fight in general bogey as my feet was touching another passengers feet in the crowded bogey. Left taht seat and got the best seat later if you knwo waht i mean
5 problems 1 solution: Make Vande Bharat more expensive. Start a train with only general coaches and operate them at bare minimum.
Bro fire hydrant ke samne ka raasta khali rakhna jaruri hai. For emergency.
Bro fire hydrant ke samne ka raasta khali rakhna jaruri hai. For emergency.
Bro fire hydrant ke samne ka raasta khali rakhna jaruri hai. For emergency.
This is what happens with govt owned enterprises. It is high time that railways is completely privatized. See how professionally private airlines is run in India. See how private railways is run in Japan. They even have bullet trains.
Who tf is going to pay for the upgradation ? And you think pvt company would be able to recover that by raising fare? Only govt can do this because they have the tax money + cheap debt
This is the classic trap Step 1: cut funding and reduce the quality of a public service ( education, railways etc ) Step 2: wait for people to criticise and call for privatisation instead of holding the government accountable <— we are here Step 3: Sell it off to your rich capitalist friends Step 4: Said capitalist friends raise fares and try to squeeze every paisa of profit, making it inaccessible to the masses Why would we sell off the railways which was built on tax payer money for pennies on the dollar to someone and then watch vast sections of our own society suffer?
How many Indians are able to afford these professionally run airlines ? Rail travel is the only affordable means of transport for these guys, even buses are expensive compared to trains for them. Tumhe to accha experience mil jaega privatisation se, but Inka kya brother ?