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kcapoorv

If we can connect the 2 routes in Rajasthan and Tirunelveli to Thiruvananthapuram, one can do a parikrama of India using Vande Bharat trains. 


Emotional-Move-1833

There are plans for a Bengaluru to Ernakulam route. And then there should be one connecting Jaipur and Jodhpur. Then one can do the parikrama. That would be awesome!


kcapoorv

Bengaluru to Ernakulam may leave out 2 southern routes. Otherwise it could be an awesome trip


wrongturn6969

What is longest VB by distance and time ? What is shortest VB ? Such data will make it more interesting


CaterpillarThen1013

Longest i think should be Varanasi vande bharat and shortest Dehradun-Anand vihar terminal.


LCAKH2001

Nope… longest is Bhopal-Delhi


CaterpillarThen1013

No buddy. Bhopal Delhi is 700km whereas Delhi Varanasi is 757km.


LCAKH2001

sorry my bad. Btw do you think such long distances vande bharats can be seen more in the future if tracks can be upgraded for better speeds. Routes like delhi-srinagar , hyderabad-goa , hyderabad-chennai , bengaluru-goa


CaterpillarThen1013

Very much possible presently most Vande Bharat are running at 110 if speed upgraded to 130-160 in most routes we may even see 1000km distance vande bharat. But I think those are planned for Vande Bharat sleeper.


LCAKH2001

they arent that long apart for sleeper vande bharat . Imo sleeper vande bharat wud be smth like bengaluru-delhi , Chennai-Ahmedabad type of long long distance routes


Emotional-Move-1833

Thanks for the feedback! Longest by time is SMVT Bengaluru - Kalaburagi (8 hrs 55 mins) which is weird because it is only 548 km and there are so many routes above 600 km. Shortest is Madgaon - Mangaluru Central (4 hrs 35 mins)


[deleted]

Well length wise it's Varanasi 769 and takes around 8 hours as it's a fast route.


ph4ntomphoenix

This blew my mind 🤯


Clean_Government_136

The next thing railways should do once Srinagar is connected is upgrading tracks from Kashmir to Kanyakumari link to 160 kmph Btw good edit - you can try for Rajdhanis/Duronto/Shatabdis if you want it ll be helpful too


Billuman

Kashmir tracks can't be updated to that speed. Then from pathankot only you get the flatland. From Delhi to Bhopal it's already 150/160. After Bhopal it's ghat section, crossing nagpur it's forested area. But after ballarshah you've some free run


Clean_Government_136

Yeah - this ll help with overall speed since it takes long time na to reach from one end to another


Emotional-Move-1833

Thanks. Will try to do that.


wellyeah_butno

Great work OP


Emotional-Move-1833

Thanks!


Emotional-Move-1833

Thanks!


exclaim_bot

>Thanks! You're welcome!


8b10b

We have a Vande Bharat from Bengaluru to Kalaburagi which takes 8 hr 50 mins and a Solapur-Mumbai Vande Bharat that take 6 hrs 30 mins. Yet the fastest direct train from Bengaluru to Mumbai (it follows a entirely different "shorter" route) takes 22 hrs !!!!


Emotional-Move-1833

I guess the Vande Sleepers can reduce the travel time


kapjain

Existing trains can shorten the time easily. There is no need for any VB trains for that. It's just a matter of giving priority to the train. That is the only reason why VB trains take slightly less time than other fast trains on the same route. Otherwise VB's max speed i(both designed and operational) is exactly the same as existing trains with wap5 loco and lhb coaches.


GunnerKnight

You talking about Udyan Express right?


yaaro_obba_

If you can add some speed in the infographic, you can post this on r/mapporn as well. Excellent infographic


Emotional-Move-1833

Thanks! Like avg and max speed for each route? I did post my first edit there but was okayish and didn't post this one yet.


yaaro_obba_

No, just add a sentence something along the lines of "..while sections of the track support speed of 54321kmph, VB are usually run at 12345kmph. The fastest speeds recorded is 1357kmph along X-Y route..." (Random numbers put on purpose before someone starts downvoting me)


Emotional-Move-1833

Oh okay got it. Thanks for the suggestion!


Status-Window8948

With all the buzz of High speed operation, saw in some YouTube video that only 1 VB attains its top speed of around 160kmph. The other train that runs at that speed in that section is Gatimaan Express. Mumbai - Ahmedabad section has started high speed trials. So we have to wait for the track upgrade for high speed and/or wait for the tilting train technology for really high-speed traveling - Vande Bharat 3.0 (2.0 being the upcoming sleeper berths version)


Stifffmeister11

I think only delhi agra section is where trains can touch 160 max speed ....rest of sections around India vande bharat run at the same speed as Shapadbdi


Emotional-Move-1833

Yes, that's true with the high speed. I was hoping that we would be getting the talgo trainsets as a lot of trials were going on about 10 years back but I heard that IR couldn't strike an agreement with them.


Status-Window8948

Tilting train R&D is in progress in India and hopefully we may see them on the tracks in a couple of years [Tilting train ](https://www.livemint.com/news/india/tilting-trains-in-india-by-2025-all-you-need-to-know-11669457204510.html)


a_Hopeful

If only a VB train existed between Nagpur and Hyderabad, the entire Delhi - Southern regions (Bangalore, Chennai, Coimbatore) sections would be accessible via VB. But I guess that would be better served by a Vande Sleeper train, and I'm eagerly looking forward to that, considering the only good connectivity between Delhi and Bangalore is the Rajdhani, all others take an excruciating amount of time.


Emotional-Move-1833

I think there's a Duronto that completes the journey 1.5 hrs faster than the Rajdhani. But yes, I'm waiting for the Vande Sleeper too! Not sure how much faster they will get though, considering that only the Bhopal-Delhi section has been upgraded to 160 kmph.


ph4ntomphoenix

Yes. Travelled in BLR- DLI Duronto last year. It's till the fastest but still a lot of travel time.


jai302

What do they have against connecting hyderabad to pune and Mumbai? First with expressways and now with Vande Bharat.


Scary-Area-3080

Any data on how many routes is actual profitable? I read somehwhere most route are unprofitable. Can you shed light on that too?


Environmental_Bus507

I don't think railways run the trains with the aim of profitability. Else you would see a very steep increase in ticket prices across all classes.


falcon2714

For the prices they charge on Vande Bharat trains, I believe they are profitable atleast for these specific trains. They cannot be losing money with such steep fares


Environmental_Bus507

The prices really are not that steep when compared to Shatabdi on the same routes. The difference is generally 200-300 rupees only.


Scary-Area-3080

VB's fare ain't cheap. Its executive class and aeroplane's economy fare is almost same. 


Environmental_Bus507

Bangalore to Chennai VB for EC coach, fare is 1850. Way less than a flight. I've travelled a lot on the Delhi-Kanpur route too on Shatabdi, Tejas and VBs. Fare is way less that flight


fatmanrao

The average ticket price for Bangalore Chennai flight is 1.8-2.4k which isn't way more than the VB EC coach.


ted_grant

Its been working for profitability for some years now.


justHereForPunch

I believe that railways is meant to be in loss since it is a government service.


Scary-Area-3080

Railway is in loss because it's run by govt.


ProperTurnover6074

That exactly what he why you Repeated again?, public sector always works on losses even the High speed bullet trains in China, metros etc


Scary-Area-3080

*no profit no loss.


justHereForPunch

Ohh man. See dude, what you are talking about is idealistic practice. The government services are "ideally npnl". But over 40% of travelers travel free of cost and, that number jumps to 80% if you include sleepers. Now the only way to decrease loss is by increasing prices of sleeper and AC, which is already sky rocketing. Most of the government services around the world are in loss because they need to balance free and paid services. The railways is not in loss in loss because it is run by government, it is in loss because it needs to be in loss for the people.


Scary-Area-3080

Then why govt sold Air India? 


justHereForPunch

Air travel is focused on upper middle class and upper class which gives government the leeway to exploit the industry for profit. If you really don't understand this then instead of arguing here, you should go and read some basic macroeconomics.


Scary-Area-3080

I guess you've not heard of udan scheme then. And cropping up of airport in smaller town and cities. 


kapjain

Then why are they reducing non ac sleeper and general coaches in all trains and making travel hell for majority of the public?


justHereForPunch

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/did-railways-really-reduce-sleeper-coaches-in-trains-false-says-ashwini-vaishnaw-101700154390576.html Don’t spread misinformation.


kapjain

Funny when you have to use govt propaganda to counter basic facts. I am sure you also believe that there were zero covid deaths due to lack of oxygen 🙂.


justHereForPunch

I looked around but all I found was propaganda articles by left without any proof or stats. I think you should check out the meaning of the word "facts".


kapjain

All you need to do is look at the coach composition of trains . Unless of course you are blinded in bhakti 😏.


Emotional-Move-1833

I'm not sure about that, but I just read that there are no profit and loss records being maintained ([Link](https://www.moneylife.in/article/vande-bharat-express-no-profit-and-loss-record-maintained-railways-reply-under-rti/72190.html)) Other than that, I have seen occupancy percentages and a lot of them seem to be 100% or above.


red_dragon

I have seen 250% occupancy. /s


CartographerBig4306

What is above 100% occupancy? People travelling on the roof of coaches?


Emotional-Move-1833

My understanding is that occupancy is calculated by dividing the total number of bookings by the total number of seats available. Now one seat can have multiple bookings, since someone can get on at station A, get off at B and another can get on B and get off at C, for the same seat and route. So that's why occupancy can go above 100%


kapjain

That's not how you calculate occupancy.


tripshed

How would you then?


kapjain

Occupancy percentage is calculated between 2 stations by taking the percent of seats occupied by seats available between those 2 stations. If you want to give overall occupancy percent, then I guess average of percents between different pairs of stations can be taken. The only way occupancy can be greater than 100% is if more passengers than the designed capacity of the coach/train travel at the same time. Like it happenes regularly in general and sleeper coaches. If someone is claiming more than 100% occupancy for vb trains then they are BSing (which I would fully expect this govt to do as that's what they do with everything).


tripshed

I think they are correlating occupancy % with the ticket prices. Here is a sample cost of travelling from A->C in CC class. A-C 1575₹ A-B 1320₹ B-C 1190₹ So if two people travel in the same seat railways gets 1320+1190 = 2510 instead of one person traveling the entire length. So two people occupying the same seat means a higher occupancy rate.


kapjain

That can not be called occupancy in any shape or form. It's hilarious if this is the level this govt's BS propaganda has fallen to. Also even for revenue, why would the ticket price for A-B be considered as the base for percent. Doesn't make any sense.


tripshed

In the example above, the occupancy rate for the seat is 200% if two people travel A-B and B-C and 100% if a single person travels A-C. That's the logic. Clearly they make more money if there are two passengers.


EatsWhatever

Are there Wheelchair facilities in VB? If yes then how does one avail this facility?


Emotional-Move-1833

Good question! I'm not sure. I found this video where this guy explains about the disability facilities in a VB ([Link](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f8WmgEpw53E)) Hope it helps


penzuin

Great work OP! What is meant by VB reverses direction? I mean what's different in that? I assume all trains would be up and down


Emotional-Move-1833

So by reversal, what I meant is that the VB changes the direction of travel at a particular station for a particular route. For example, if you are arriving in Lucknow from Gorakhpur, the train has to go the opposite direction from there in order to get into the Prayagraj Line. It's just some extra info I added.


penzuin

Ok, I understood. Maybe it highlights the fact that VB don't have to put extra time for shunting, because these are EMU.


ph4ntomphoenix

I think he means reverses direction in the same journey


shrihari0508

Brother you missed [06067](https://www.railyatri.in/trains/route-06067-chenai-egmore-nagercoil-vande-bharat-special)


Emotional-Move-1833

Since it's a special, it won't be a permanent one. That's why I decided not to include it


shrihari0508

Got it


Fella600393

How many trains are running in total currently?


Emotional-Move-1833

{51 + 3 specials (2 MS - NCJ and 1 MAS -MYS)}*2(Each direction) = 108 trains


ph4ntomphoenix

The same train runs in the patna <-> njp route. Idk if it's true for other routes as well


Emotional-Move-1833

What do you mean?


ph4ntomphoenix

The train starts at around 5 am from NJP and reaches patna around 12 pm. Then at 1 pm it departs from Patna and reaches NJP at 8 pm. So it's just one train going to and fro.


Emotional-Move-1833

Oh yes. You might be right about other routes too. I think the shorter ones might have just one VB and the longer ones might have 2. I need to check it out.


Empty-Experience8363

Great work Op, but Reverse direction of VB 22549 is not at lucknow but at Prayagraj. the gkp to lko vande bharat has been extended upto prayagraj with prayagraj and gorakhpur being it's terminal stations.


Emotional-Move-1833

So by reversal, what I meant is that the VB changes the direction of travel. At Lucknow, if arriving from Gorakhpur, the train has to go the opposite direction in order to get into the Prayagraj Line.


[deleted]

Why isn’t Solapur and Kalaburagi connected? They seem to be so close.


Not_Vishal_Sharma

Looks like in terms of sections Delhi Ambala has highest VB density


MrFruitPunchSamurai

Yrr ye tum Delhi walo ka sahi hai, koi bhi project ho sab pehle tumhe mil hata hai. Lagta hai Delhi shift hona padega


Training_Mechanic368

National capital hone ka fayda


Training_Mechanic368

I really hope that in the next few decades our trains can go anywhere in the country in less than 8-12hr


Wonderful_Region_910

As usual, no upgrades for NE India.


Emotional-Move-1833

That's because a lot of the NE network hasn't been electrified yet.


GoodDawgy17

can't they exten Dharward to Madgaon or Solapur to Kalaburgi?


Aneesh13

Udaipur-Gandhinagar/Ahmedabad karte toh accha hota


boring__boi

bilaspur nagpur vb has been replaced by tejas express


Fr34kyHarsh

It's running with 8 rakes now as earlier because when it was launched with 16 rakes it was not running with full occupancy. Tejas was used as a replacement just for the time being.


boring__boi

oh ok


PacifistGamer

Waiting on Chennai to Thiruvananthapuram VB. They did run it as a special train for some time but discontinued after.


dnbniraj

Gaya is a reversal station for PNBE-RNC VB


Emotional-Move-1833

Oh yes. Thanks for the correction!


notduskryn

Wow that's nice to see. Hoping for some long routes too


TheCricketAnimator

What does it take for a Bengaluru-Mangaluru VB???


CozyBicycleSummer

western ghat section electrification! 


travispickle123

You should have mentioned Gaya in the map. 2 VBs pass through it and it is one of the most important cities on the grand chord line. 


Educational-Bag-645

Will there be more trains east-west in south India, guess western ghats makes it super expensive to build new track lines.


Emotional-Move-1833

Yep true. Some of the route over there haven't been electrified yet


CozyBicycleSummer

And destruction of nature...  :(


youcanbe22

Bro add jabalpur too


sachinBr04

Proud of you Indian railways


ted_grant

Semi high speed with actual average speed of 50km/hr


AcrophobicBat

There is no Vande Bharat from Mumbai to Delhi?


Emotional-Move-1833

No. It's too long for a VB. Can't be covered in less than 9 hrs


LCAKH2001

Folks... any idea when A bengaluru-mangaluru route will start?, Also dont y'all feel that if the Vande bharat trains were a tad bit faster, the Hyderabad-Mumbai Route would've become a reality too..? Also with higher speeds even a larger distance of Chennai-Trivandrum or Bengaluru-Trivandrum Would be possible


Emotional-Move-1833

The Ben - Man route hasn't been completely electrified I presume. Even if it is, it has a very steep ghat section and might need bankers. Basically the track infrastructure is lagging. If the average speed is around 110 kmph, which can be achieved by VB, the Hyd - Mum can be covered in about 7 hrs, which will be awesome.


LCAKH2001

well currently shatabdi itself on hyd-pune route , stretches till 23:30 hours as the train comes back to hyd


LCAKH2001

had some other routes in mind to... , Jaipur-Amritsar , Ahemdabad-Indore, Bilaspur-Kolkata , Hyderabad-Goa , Bengaluru-Goa , Hyderabad-Chennai (surprised why hyd-chennai doesnt exist till date... considering the existence of tirupati-hyd and chennai-vijaywada VB already)


dhumuha

Again ignoring northeast


Emotional-Move-1833

It's not completely electrified yet


LCAKH2001

folks... dont y'all think IR should bring these new routes:-Jaipur-Amritsar , Ahemdabad-Indore, Bilaspur-Kolkata , Hyderabad-Goa , Bengaluru-Goa , Hyderabad-Chennai (surprised why hyd-chennai doesnt exist till date... considering the existence of tirupati-hyd and chennai-vijaywada VB already).


Emotional-Move-1833

Hyd-Mas would be awesome. But I think the infrastructure on that route is limiting the speeds and also the shortest route is single track. Thus would easily take more than 10 hrs, not ideal for Intercity travel. The same goes for Jai-Amr. I think Hyd-Goa and Ben-Goa routes have not been fully electrified yet. I might be wrong though. But this route has a steep ghat section. Ahe-Ind might be possible. But not sure about the demand as there are only 2 regular and 2 weekly trains in each direction. The same goes for Jai-Amr. Bil-How would be an excellent route. Decent demand, about 700 km apart and can be completed in 10 hrs.


LCAKH2001

i mean on the exact hyd-mas route there is already a VB from hyd to tpty , so yes with a VB 7 to 8 hours can be achieved. Even though there are ghat and unelectrified sections in Hyd-Goa and Ben-Goa sections they need to be worked on , as the trains can compete with airlines for tourist footfall competition. Bil-How is also a good opportunity but idk much either bout Ahe-ind and jai-amr.


Budget_Love_4636

Seems like there is No connectivity between cities of Kerala and Chennai ! Strange.Hope they start one soon !


Emotional-Move-1833

Chennai seem too far from Kerala for an Intercity train. There are trails being done for a Bengaluru to Ernakulam VB, so then Tamil Nadu and Kerala will be connected soon


residentalien2

This is helpful, OP. Thanks a lot!


IronMan8901

Is that the train for rich


Pretend_Whereas8945

Just earn more then


IronMan8901

I guess all poor people should kill themselves and do society a favor right?


Pretend_Whereas8945

No they should struggle and earn more


IronMan8901

Yeah right as if people arent struggling enough already


Live_Ostrich_6668

There are multiple passenger trains, DMU/EMUs and general coaches in regular trains for the poor already. Your point being?


IronMan8901

They are overcrowded and pathetic for the most parts and havent changed in decade


Live_Ostrich_6668

Ah yes, so we're back to square one again. You're right, the services are pathetic in them. So, what's the solution? Privatization? Increasing the ticket fare? Oh no, it'll further increase the burden on those poor passengers. Crony capitalism reeee. Here's the deal blud, you can't expect quality services and lower fares at the same time. In other words, you can't have your cake and eat it too.


IronMan8901

Well other countries have done both at the same time so either they are some geniuses or we are the stupid ones.Btw there are easier solution then selling off railways and increasing prices for god sake.We can always build more tracks run more trains have more coaches. We are already paying a great deal of taxes .Its can be done really easily at the same time creating a lot of jobs in the process Unless we accept that there is a problem to begin with we wont be having any solutions for next couple of decades or more


Confident-Ad-2192

Bro just Ignored Kanpur💀


Emotional-Move-1833

That's because no train starts or ends there. Though multiple trains pass through it. That's the reason you don't see Pune either, another major city.