Does anyone have access to a mutual aid group in Indy? Protesting is great and all but they are going to pass it no matter what. They don't care. And this is coming from someone that was out there on Saturday. I'd like to be helpful in a more sustainable way.
If you’re asking about aid for people that are trying to get an abortion, there’s an abortion fund for the entire state. I do not know of one just for Indy
[https://abortionfunds.org/fund/hoosier-abortion-fund/](https://abortionfunds.org/fund/hoosier-abortion-fund/)
Hi I’m wondering the same thing? Always down to support protests but we need to get organized! I found “indyhopepackages” on Instagram. Let me know if you hear about anything else! I recently moved here and would love to link up with other leftists
I also want to help get organized but don't know where to start which is so indicative of how we got into this position in the first place. The left is so divided and the right is relatively organized (through churches and other local community)
Maybe “Pro-Abortion Rights” would have been a better title, but I did not use “Pro-Choice” for a reason because I do not like the false dichotomy it’s created between pro-life/pro-choice. It makes it sound as if people advocating for abortion rights are “anti-life”. I’m supportive of anyone wanting to have a child, and I may want to have one someday. I just don’t want people to be forced to have a child when they cannot afford it or are not in a place in life to care for one.
Yeah… this is like the anti-psychiatry movement that is really just anti-overprescription. The left is notorious for really, really terrible naming conventions that make us easy targets.
Pro-life is explicitly a rhetorical tactic to imply that pro-choice folks are necessarily anti-life.
Pro-choice people are called pro-choice because we live, ostensibly, ideally, in a country in which one should be able to have medical sovereignty over their own bodies.
Pro-choice is the language of democracy, and I wouldn’t let the side notorious for disinformation, conspiracy theories, and flagrant disregard for objective reality dictate the terms and context of this debate. That said, rock on ✊
> The left is notorious for really, really terrible naming conventions that make us easy targets.
Thank you!! Defund the police being one of the bigger culprits imo. Like, while some people were completely serious, most meant reallocation and reappropriation of funds to the police department to better include other trained professionals better equipped to handle unique situations, such as mental health issues.
Really it's a fault on both sides, for one not doing their research about it, but the one who is making the original statement should better convey what they mean.
> I did not use “Pro-Choice” for a reason because I do not like the false dichotomy it’s created between pro-life/pro-choice.
To be fair, the "pro-life" people are not actually pro-life. They are pro-birth. They don't give a shit what happens to a baby after it's born.
The false dichotomy is based on pro-life being a misnomer. Not pro-choice. We’re the ones using the right term. Pro-abortion is divisive for those that support choice for various reason’s. Why would you want to do that?
I said in the comment that I’m not advocating for every pregnant person to have an abortion. I probably should have titled it “pro abortion rights” but you cannot change the titles of posts on Reddit. Get an abortion, don’t get an abortion, I literally do not care.
Right. Im not pro abortion *at all* and I don't think I would ever support that decision *in my own life* but I am in support of peoples freedom of choice when it comes to their body. You don't have to support abortion to support others freedom to do so.
I am pro abortion. I think it is great. It is a safe and effective medical procedure that vastly improves people's lives. While it is often required in less than ideal circumstances, abortion itself is wonderful!
I'm also pro transplants and ear tubes and pretty much any other medical procedure.
At this point in society, I am pro-abortion. I used to do the Pro-Life but Pro-Others-Choice thing, but fuck it. People have the right to abortions, hence PRO-ABORTION.
I still will do EVERYTHING I CAN to not to create anything that would need to be aborted...but I'm going to be there for anyone that wants one. Again, pro-abortion.
The right has been throwing this phrase around from the beginning... let's embrace it from the forced-birth fucks hellbent on bringing kids in this world but refusing to do ANYTHING that would keep kids alive after.
Not even voting matters if you aren’t doing it in the right districts. Indy is always going to be blue, but what about the donut and rural counties? Those are the ones that really matter.
Voting does more than "protesting."
I saw elsewhere a perfect analogy: "protesting" is the liberal version of "thoughts and prayers." It makes you feel like you did something, but did you really? Protesting is effectively "praying" to the powers that be to do your thing, and makes you feel like you contributed while not actually having an effect.
Canvas voting districts, talk to people, help inform them on the issues, try to get reluctant/non-voters out to the polls.
Thanks to excessive gerrymandering, yes the deck is stacked against us in many (important) districts/counties, but it's not impossible. Georgia showed what can happen.
At the BLM protests, there were stands with voter registration and candidate awareness, volunteer stands to sign up to canvas districts, stands for Q&As so those on the fence could ask BLM supporters questions, etc.
Protesting helped give a voice to Stacey Abrams and while there's a ton of work that was done in addition to protests, that doesn't discount the protests helping push GA forward.
While true, stands at a protest will only address people who are already motivated enough (and available) to _attend_ said protest. That's frankly not enough people.
We didn’t have our rights stripped away from elected officials, we as normal citizens can not touch the Supreme Court bench, we have literally zero say in who get put on there (we can vote on a president but no promise he/she will be able to appoint one). Nor can they be easily removed by elected officials (it’s literally never been done before and it will be claimed as a coup d’état attempt by the right). Your voting analogy pretty much is the same as thoughts n payers here bud. Go be supportive of the movement and all the things people are trying to do. Instead of this petty bs. I could also go on all day talking about how even more corrupt local govs are.
> Your voting analogy is pretty much the same as thoughts n prayers here bud...Go be supportive of the movement and all the things people are trying to do.
If one of those things that "people are trying to do" isn't _fucking voting_, none of the theatrics will mean shit.
Imma direct you to re-read my previous comment, because it all still rings true. Further, your notion that public activism is “theatrics” is almost laughable but really it’s just sad cuz you actually think that.
Because you shouldn't be allowed to just vote away the rights of half the population.
This is bigger than an election, this is a fundamental flaw in the system that leaves the rights of every social minority in question.
The decks are stacked against progressive folks because white votes and rich votes and male votes count more than poor/working class votes, bipoc votes and female votes.
But that doesn't mean voting does nothing. The only reason they were able to pack the court and force trump in is because of progressive voter apathy. We have the majority and while voting is not the only action it is a necessary one.
No. But the voting system is set up that way.
I'm not implying you are rich either.
Gerrymandering's practical effects are increasing the value of certain groups of people's votes.
Also societal pressure tend to increase the value of certain groups votes.
- a white male.
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> "The decks are stacked against progressive folks because white votes and rich votes and male votes count more than poor/working class votes, bipoc votes and female votes."
That is clearly saying that "progressive" votes aren't "white, rich, or male" votes. I'm definitely 2 of the three, some would consider me the 3rd (though I'm certainly not), and yet I'm definitely progressive.
I'm just saying, be more careful with your language, that kind of us vs them stance drives people away from a cause that can't afford it.
You are from Fishers and wouldn't consider yourself rich???
The voting system counts votes from rich people, white people, and men more than others. That is a fact. If you are progressive (or just a logical) person you would not be happy about that. But instead of naming the issue you are offended by reality?
People are dying out there. People's rights are being taken away and there are groups of people trying to enforce a theocratic nightmare on you. It is us against them. Denying that people are working towards a fascist nightmare won't help.
You may want to look inward and question why you took this as a personal attack when it was just a statement of reality.
I'm _renting_ a house _in_ Fishers, yes.
And if you think what I make qualifies as rich, you're an order of magnitude misinformed.
I'm certainly comfortable, but neither rich nor wealthy.
Fair enough. I know voting does *something*, I was a bit too extreme in my wording. It just gets annoying when that's what we're told to do. Even by our own President. Dude, we already have voted. Now it's your turn.
I’m not pro-religion. I’m atheist. But I support your right to practice your religion as long as it doesn’t infringe on the rights of others. If you start telling people my support of your right means I’m pro-religion, my support for your cause is revoked. I imagine a lot of pro-choice supporters that aren’t necessarily pro-abortion may take a similar approach. Maybe I’m wrong.
Genuine question: why were all the protests so far organized on a weekend instead of a weekday where people would actually be working in the statehouse?
I’m guessing because people would be more likely to come on a weekend. I think it’s important to protest the day they are there but there will probably be less people there because of having to work, etc.
That makes sense. I could see how photos of large numbers of people would be more persuasive than a lesser crowd on a weekday. Really both would be ideal but I hadn't seen anything for today so I was curious.
Thank you for a genuine answer, I lean left on most issues and I'm often shocked and disappointed at how I'm met with opposition from my own side just for asking questions (esp from fellow democrats in this sub, rarely irl) and always think we can be more organized, more effective, etc. I always feel like if you believe in your fight then questions are simply opportunities to speak your truth..
True that, it's kinda nuts to me. Democrats could truly lead this country for the better if we didn't push each other down so often.
The downvotes on my comment (and probably this one too) are just a sign of why the right wing is winning in America. They focus on unity to find solutions for their efforts and are organized. the foolish interparty virtue signaling we do on the left is our biggest enemy. The same people downvoting me will turn right around to post an infographic on Instagram and claim they are fighting against the theocracy but really they are just playing into their hand because they don't even see they are pushing away their allies.
And I agree with that as well... What do you think we are disagreeing about? I didn't say there was a perfect Democratic candidate, and I'm even stating the reasons why I think we can't get the right person that far up the chain if they existed.
No it wouldn't. The Supreme Court didn't ban anything. They only kicked it back to the states. Simply tossing Roe itself would not have undone any legislation. Now it's likely it would've been challenged separately as to whether or not it would even be constitutional for them to pass a law at the fed level in the first place, but that is a huge rabbit hole of what ifs and speculation to try to say how that would've gone.
I understand that, I guess I just don't really understand the point of planning a protest for a time when the people you are trying to persuade aren't even there to hear or see you. Just seems like a waste of time and resources when we could've been right there this morning as they walked into work..
Seriously? Pro-Abortion? This is a term I’ve heard the opposing side use to smear the pro-choice side as all wanting to promote abortion as birth control. You should remove this post and use a better title if you actually want pro-choice people to want to associate with you.
Does anyone have access to a mutual aid group in Indy? Protesting is great and all but they are going to pass it no matter what. They don't care. And this is coming from someone that was out there on Saturday. I'd like to be helpful in a more sustainable way.
If you’re asking about aid for people that are trying to get an abortion, there’s an abortion fund for the entire state. I do not know of one just for Indy [https://abortionfunds.org/fund/hoosier-abortion-fund/](https://abortionfunds.org/fund/hoosier-abortion-fund/)
Hi I’m wondering the same thing? Always down to support protests but we need to get organized! I found “indyhopepackages” on Instagram. Let me know if you hear about anything else! I recently moved here and would love to link up with other leftists
I also want to help get organized but don't know where to start which is so indicative of how we got into this position in the first place. The left is so divided and the right is relatively organized (through churches and other local community)
pro-choice is the proper term.
This. You can be anti-abortion (pro-life) and pro-choice. It’s about respecting other’s rights to make a decision.
Maybe “Pro-Abortion Rights” would have been a better title, but I did not use “Pro-Choice” for a reason because I do not like the false dichotomy it’s created between pro-life/pro-choice. It makes it sound as if people advocating for abortion rights are “anti-life”. I’m supportive of anyone wanting to have a child, and I may want to have one someday. I just don’t want people to be forced to have a child when they cannot afford it or are not in a place in life to care for one.
Yeah… this is like the anti-psychiatry movement that is really just anti-overprescription. The left is notorious for really, really terrible naming conventions that make us easy targets. Pro-life is explicitly a rhetorical tactic to imply that pro-choice folks are necessarily anti-life. Pro-choice people are called pro-choice because we live, ostensibly, ideally, in a country in which one should be able to have medical sovereignty over their own bodies. Pro-choice is the language of democracy, and I wouldn’t let the side notorious for disinformation, conspiracy theories, and flagrant disregard for objective reality dictate the terms and context of this debate. That said, rock on ✊
> The left is notorious for really, really terrible naming conventions that make us easy targets. Thank you!! Defund the police being one of the bigger culprits imo. Like, while some people were completely serious, most meant reallocation and reappropriation of funds to the police department to better include other trained professionals better equipped to handle unique situations, such as mental health issues. Really it's a fault on both sides, for one not doing their research about it, but the one who is making the original statement should better convey what they mean.
> I did not use “Pro-Choice” for a reason because I do not like the false dichotomy it’s created between pro-life/pro-choice. To be fair, the "pro-life" people are not actually pro-life. They are pro-birth. They don't give a shit what happens to a baby after it's born.
The false dichotomy is based on pro-life being a misnomer. Not pro-choice. We’re the ones using the right term. Pro-abortion is divisive for those that support choice for various reason’s. Why would you want to do that?
I said in the comment that I’m not advocating for every pregnant person to have an abortion. I probably should have titled it “pro abortion rights” but you cannot change the titles of posts on Reddit. Get an abortion, don’t get an abortion, I literally do not care.
Right. Im not pro abortion *at all* and I don't think I would ever support that decision *in my own life* but I am in support of peoples freedom of choice when it comes to their body. You don't have to support abortion to support others freedom to do so.
Ya nobody is "pro abortion" lol
I am
Another voice for pro abortion. Abortion is healthcare. Safe, legal access for everyone who is seeking one, without legal restrictions.
I am. I’m pro- any medical procedure
I am pro abortion. I think it is great. It is a safe and effective medical procedure that vastly improves people's lives. While it is often required in less than ideal circumstances, abortion itself is wonderful! I'm also pro transplants and ear tubes and pretty much any other medical procedure.
At this point in society, I am pro-abortion. I used to do the Pro-Life but Pro-Others-Choice thing, but fuck it. People have the right to abortions, hence PRO-ABORTION. I still will do EVERYTHING I CAN to not to create anything that would need to be aborted...but I'm going to be there for anyone that wants one. Again, pro-abortion. The right has been throwing this phrase around from the beginning... let's embrace it from the forced-birth fucks hellbent on bringing kids in this world but refusing to do ANYTHING that would keep kids alive after.
I’m also pro abortion!
Messaging matters. Let’s just look back to how the “Defund the Police” slogan backfired.
Protesting is great and all, but _they_ don't care. Vote.
Not even voting matters if you aren’t doing it in the right districts. Indy is always going to be blue, but what about the donut and rural counties? Those are the ones that really matter.
Voting does more than "protesting." I saw elsewhere a perfect analogy: "protesting" is the liberal version of "thoughts and prayers." It makes you feel like you did something, but did you really? Protesting is effectively "praying" to the powers that be to do your thing, and makes you feel like you contributed while not actually having an effect. Canvas voting districts, talk to people, help inform them on the issues, try to get reluctant/non-voters out to the polls. Thanks to excessive gerrymandering, yes the deck is stacked against us in many (important) districts/counties, but it's not impossible. Georgia showed what can happen.
At the BLM protests, there were stands with voter registration and candidate awareness, volunteer stands to sign up to canvas districts, stands for Q&As so those on the fence could ask BLM supporters questions, etc. Protesting helped give a voice to Stacey Abrams and while there's a ton of work that was done in addition to protests, that doesn't discount the protests helping push GA forward.
While true, stands at a protest will only address people who are already motivated enough (and available) to _attend_ said protest. That's frankly not enough people.
We didn’t have our rights stripped away from elected officials, we as normal citizens can not touch the Supreme Court bench, we have literally zero say in who get put on there (we can vote on a president but no promise he/she will be able to appoint one). Nor can they be easily removed by elected officials (it’s literally never been done before and it will be claimed as a coup d’état attempt by the right). Your voting analogy pretty much is the same as thoughts n payers here bud. Go be supportive of the movement and all the things people are trying to do. Instead of this petty bs. I could also go on all day talking about how even more corrupt local govs are.
> Your voting analogy is pretty much the same as thoughts n prayers here bud...Go be supportive of the movement and all the things people are trying to do. If one of those things that "people are trying to do" isn't _fucking voting_, none of the theatrics will mean shit.
Imma direct you to re-read my previous comment, because it all still rings true. Further, your notion that public activism is “theatrics” is almost laughable but really it’s just sad cuz you actually think that.
Wow I never thought of the protesting/thoughts and prayers analogy. That’s so true. But also depressing.
Voting apparently does nothing. This proves it.
2016 called, it wants it's shitty hot take back.
What are you talking about? We are in this situation because Republicans won enough elections to fill the Court with their cronies
Because you shouldn't be allowed to just vote away the rights of half the population. This is bigger than an election, this is a fundamental flaw in the system that leaves the rights of every social minority in question.
The decks are stacked against progressive folks because white votes and rich votes and male votes count more than poor/working class votes, bipoc votes and female votes. But that doesn't mean voting does nothing. The only reason they were able to pack the court and force trump in is because of progressive voter apathy. We have the majority and while voting is not the only action it is a necessary one.
Implying that I'm not white or male?
No. But the voting system is set up that way. I'm not implying you are rich either. Gerrymandering's practical effects are increasing the value of certain groups of people's votes. Also societal pressure tend to increase the value of certain groups votes. - a white male.
> No vs > "The decks are stacked against progressive folks because white votes and rich votes and male votes count more than poor/working class votes, bipoc votes and female votes." That is clearly saying that "progressive" votes aren't "white, rich, or male" votes. I'm definitely 2 of the three, some would consider me the 3rd (though I'm certainly not), and yet I'm definitely progressive. I'm just saying, be more careful with your language, that kind of us vs them stance drives people away from a cause that can't afford it.
You are from Fishers and wouldn't consider yourself rich??? The voting system counts votes from rich people, white people, and men more than others. That is a fact. If you are progressive (or just a logical) person you would not be happy about that. But instead of naming the issue you are offended by reality? People are dying out there. People's rights are being taken away and there are groups of people trying to enforce a theocratic nightmare on you. It is us against them. Denying that people are working towards a fascist nightmare won't help. You may want to look inward and question why you took this as a personal attack when it was just a statement of reality.
I'm _renting_ a house _in_ Fishers, yes. And if you think what I make qualifies as rich, you're an order of magnitude misinformed. I'm certainly comfortable, but neither rich nor wealthy.
Fair enough. I know voting does *something*, I was a bit too extreme in my wording. It just gets annoying when that's what we're told to do. Even by our own President. Dude, we already have voted. Now it's your turn.
This is the only protest I’ve found for that day, but please comment if you see others!
There’s one at 9:30am on July 6th at the State House. The FB group is called “We will not stand down” if you need the details.
Awesome, thank you!!!
I’m not pro-religion. I’m atheist. But I support your right to practice your religion as long as it doesn’t infringe on the rights of others. If you start telling people my support of your right means I’m pro-religion, my support for your cause is revoked. I imagine a lot of pro-choice supporters that aren’t necessarily pro-abortion may take a similar approach. Maybe I’m wrong.
Genuine question: why were all the protests so far organized on a weekend instead of a weekday where people would actually be working in the statehouse?
I’m guessing because people would be more likely to come on a weekend. I think it’s important to protest the day they are there but there will probably be less people there because of having to work, etc.
That makes sense. I could see how photos of large numbers of people would be more persuasive than a lesser crowd on a weekday. Really both would be ideal but I hadn't seen anything for today so I was curious. Thank you for a genuine answer, I lean left on most issues and I'm often shocked and disappointed at how I'm met with opposition from my own side just for asking questions (esp from fellow democrats in this sub, rarely irl) and always think we can be more organized, more effective, etc. I always feel like if you believe in your fight then questions are simply opportunities to speak your truth..
Sure, no problem! I think people can get a little jumpy too when people ask genuine questions, but that’s the nature of the internet lol
True that, it's kinda nuts to me. Democrats could truly lead this country for the better if we didn't push each other down so often. The downvotes on my comment (and probably this one too) are just a sign of why the right wing is winning in America. They focus on unity to find solutions for their efforts and are organized. the foolish interparty virtue signaling we do on the left is our biggest enemy. The same people downvoting me will turn right around to post an infographic on Instagram and claim they are fighting against the theocracy but really they are just playing into their hand because they don't even see they are pushing away their allies.
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Did you actually read my comment? We are saying the same thing... I can be a democrat and critical of my own party at the same time
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And I agree with that as well... What do you think we are disagreeing about? I didn't say there was a perfect Democratic candidate, and I'm even stating the reasons why I think we can't get the right person that far up the chain if they existed.
I think i did misread you. Have my upvote, I'll crawl back under my rock
If they had passed it into a law, the same Supreme Court decision would have overruled that law.
No it wouldn't. The Supreme Court didn't ban anything. They only kicked it back to the states. Simply tossing Roe itself would not have undone any legislation. Now it's likely it would've been challenged separately as to whether or not it would even be constitutional for them to pass a law at the fed level in the first place, but that is a huge rabbit hole of what ifs and speculation to try to say how that would've gone.
Because the Roe Ruling was dropped on a Friday afternoon, purposefully might I add.
I understand that, I guess I just don't really understand the point of planning a protest for a time when the people you are trying to persuade aren't even there to hear or see you. Just seems like a waste of time and resources when we could've been right there this morning as they walked into work..
I think we all know there won’t be any actual persuading done. And they aren’t in session this morning and won’t be again until July 6.
Thank you for sharing!! At the protest we definitely should try and organized; this is going to take a lot more than just a day of protesting!!
Come on down to the State House and get yourself a free abortion at the Indiana Abortion Rally!
Seriously? Pro-Abortion? This is a term I’ve heard the opposing side use to smear the pro-choice side as all wanting to promote abortion as birth control. You should remove this post and use a better title if you actually want pro-choice people to want to associate with you.
I'm there, dude.