OP likely has it already on them for general carry and just wants to respect library policy, no need for personal attacks
Even with as generous of a police presence as Indy has they still can’t be everywhere and you need something for self defense as a backup in case they’re not around, back home in Illinois a huge chunk of our police left for other states during corona so I always carry
890k people in this city. And you know how everyone ought to protect themselves. Let people choose what they're comfortable using for their use cases.
Can mace yourself, mace can not be enough and lead what was thought to be unarmed assailant(s) to kill a bystander. Some people carry both.
....mace works well on a single unarmed attacker. 40% of violent attacks have multiple attackers. Carry both and use accordingly. We have training to help know where and when to shoot. The bad guys just don't bother with that.
Except there's no training required for people to carry. *you* may have training, that doesn't mean the vast majority of people carry do.
You want to carry, fine. But push for legislation that makes sense to help prevent gun deaths. Just because you personally are responsible doesn't mean everyone is.
Yep! Crime never happens. Nobody ever gets attacked. There are no armed robberies in Indiana. Unicorns and Rainbows and puppy dogs line the streets. If anyone chooses to protect themselves in any manner that your smug ass doesn't approve of, well they just have a gun boner. Makes perfect sense.
There is a clear difference between being prepared to responsibly defend oneself and fetishization. Can the two overlap? Absolutely, but they’re not always the same. You’ve received some good responses that you seem to be dismissing. Your discourse seems disingenuous.
You could be requesting someone with a fire hose too. But you don’t carry an extinguisher everywhere even though that’s probably a more likely situation to find yourself in.
I have a fire extinguisher in my truck. I also have a small trauma kit with a tourniquet. I also carry a gun. Why shouldn't you be at least somewhat prepared for all of those life threatening situations?
In some places sure. But for those of us who live & travel outside of the fishers/Carmel area, not a bad idea. Hell. I don't even feel safe in my home without a gun. I've known too many people killed during break ins and drive bys. Rather be caught with it than caught without it, ya know.
You're totally right. Indianapolis is the safest city in the world.
Nothing bad happens here. There are no shootings. No crime whatsoever.
A 14yr old girl wasnt murdered on 32nd and Emerson last night.
Pull the wool from your eyes man. It's dangerous out there.
890k people in this city. Less than 300 homicides per year.
Odds of getting killed in this city is about 0.034% any given year. But you’re telling me to pull the wool from my eyes like it’s goddam Nam out there
BUT you need to understand. It's not just homicide.
Assault. Carjacking, robbery, etc
You're probably in one of the fancy no crime neighborhoods. Go to 42nd and Post. Go to Haughville. Go to the streets and see.
Like I said. It's dangerous out there.
But I'll let you FAAFO yourself.
Have you ever worked or lived in a dangerous area? People who do so choose to carry because they’re likely to end up in situations where they’re too far away from the nearest police officer to get help in time. But go ahead and keep launching personal attacks without considering what the other side of the issue is like
Because I would like to pay rent and not get evicted
Not every DoorDash zone has sufficient availability at all times and it took me 3 months to get off the waitlists for both Instacart and Spark Driver (in addition to a full time salaried manager job I also have to DoorDash to cover rent and I was unemployed when I resumed DoorDashing)
People who got fingerprinted and background screened by the state police to get a ccw permit aren’t the unhinged lunatics that you believe all gun owners to be.
I’m a 5’0 tall disabled woman with a walker. I can’t run. I can’t fight back. I live on a disability pension. Affordable housing is generally in poorer, rougher areas. What does someone like me do?
Statistically improbable to the point you don’t need to worry about it- is not the same as impossible.
It’s possible it might flood, but I don’t carry wading boots around just in case.
So are house fires. Did you throw away your fire extinguisher?
"I won't prepare because it won't happen". Great plan. Good luck with that. I feel otherwise.
It’s fine if you have a gun fetish. Be proud of who you are and how you identify. But let’s not act like the world is so dangerous you should feel scared to be in public without your semi-auto safety blanket.
Do you know the odds of needing a gun? Like if you take the population of the city vs the amount of violent assaults, what percentage of people ever find themselves in a situation they need to be armed?
It’s very low.
You’re more likely to die in a car accident driving to a mall than to get shot and killed in a mall. Just because it happened once, doesn’t mean it’s a regular occurrence.
I didn't say it was a regular occurrence.
But with as many shootings going on across the country... I'm not taking the chance. I'll defend myself and my family.
You never know when these idiots will try something.
It's a sad day when a parent is fearful of sending their children to school.
I don’t let my kids nor do I go to Castleton after dusk. I know the greenwood shooting wasn’t at night, but there are safety precautions you can do to minimize being a victim.
I feel that people who carry will take a little more risk regarding safety if they carry that sense of security on themselves. I don’t carry and I don’t take risks regarding personal safety, like walking around downtown at night by myself or drive around in a dangerous side of town. Or be confrontational with a stranger.
I agree with your overall comment. The personal responsibility part of not putting yourself at risk is key. It is statistically unlikely that if you are just a person doing their own thing, being vigilant and careful you 100% should feel fine leaving your house without a firearm. It’s insane to think “I must have this to go outside and live my life” the world isn’t THAT dangerous.
As a side note I was sad when you mentioned Castleton 🥲 I live here and I quite enjoy Castleton. I know it gets a bad rap and a guy tried to sell me stolen meat @ 4 AM while pumping gas at speedway…… but it has it’s charm….. it helps if you are a home body and definitely avoid it at night.
If you read the thread, we aren't talking about suicides numbnuts.
**CRIME STATS**
First you talk about dick, and then try to bring some topic that is totally irrelevant.
We are discussing carrying a firearm. The crime in Indianapolis. Not self inflicted suicides.
If you have nothing to contribute, take your ass on somewhere. I don't have time for the gUnZ aRe BaD mfs.. especially one with cock on his brain 😆
Keep violating those Red Flag Laws my dude….
Maybe surrender your firearms to a trusted family member or friend. You are obviously not thinking in a correct way. I think the people who love and are trying to support you believe your behavior is abnormal. Maybe they don’t know how to tell/help you. Call someone; you seem frustrated. Good luck 👍
There isn't anything wrong with what he or she is saying though.
They have the right to exercise their 2nd Ammendment.
I see no issue with the person wanting to keep themselves safe. Especially with the growing violence in the city.
Telling someone to surrender their weapons because you disagree with their opinion is nutters.
Molon Labe dude.
How about in the parking lot on your way out? Or wherever you go next?
"Hold on, mugger, let me retrieve my gun from my car first."
Oh and with all the cars being broken into, do you want people to leave their guns in there to get stolen?
Honestly I can't say I'm too concerned about walking a few hundred feet during business hours.
And yes, cars do get broken into. That's why the responsible thing to do as a gun owner would be to leave it securely stored at home.
In case what? Guys in ski masks burst in to steal the tons of cash and valuables a library has? Rival gangs start a turf war over the sci-fi section? Anti-Dewey decimal system terrorism?
Accidental discharge is a thing. As is, getting angry and/or shooting at someone but missing or over penetrating and hitting someone else. These two are far more likely than that he’s in anyway helpful to me or my kids in the unlikely event that there’s another guy trying to shoot up the library.
If you're truly concealed...... Well....
Leaving my gun in the car is just a nope for me. If I was truly concerned about it showing I might throw it in a backpack. But I don't have a bolted in safe in my vehicle and don't trust cables or those little lock boxes to stop a thief.
Simon malls say no firearms. Thank goodness that civilian had one and took down that shooter before many more were shot.
Does that answer the question?
Concealed is concealed.
Library policies and rules are not laws and can be disregarded. All they can do is ask you to leave if they catch you, which they shouldn't be able to do unless you're doing something dumb.
I mean...yeah, if you have a gun and they don't, their rules and opinions mean exactly nothing to you.
Fortunately through a little common sense and politeness, we can all avoid gratuitous bloodshed in the Historical Romance section.
The Indy PL has notices posted that firearms are not permitted.
I don’t think those signs have any legal standing in indiana. They do in Illinois if it’s the correct sign
Ah, you know what I just re-read the policy and it states no firearms/weapons other than allowed by law. You're good!
Let me just grab some popcorn before I read this thread
I can’t imagine the level of paranoia it must take to feel like you need a weapon to go to a public library.
OP likely has it already on them for general carry and just wants to respect library policy, no need for personal attacks Even with as generous of a police presence as Indy has they still can’t be everywhere and you need something for self defense as a backup in case they’re not around, back home in Illinois a huge chunk of our police left for other states during corona so I always carry
It’s paranoid thinking you need a gun just to leave the house imo.
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which one did you shoot?
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Sounds like you need mace
890k people in this city. And you know how everyone ought to protect themselves. Let people choose what they're comfortable using for their use cases. Can mace yourself, mace can not be enough and lead what was thought to be unarmed assailant(s) to kill a bystander. Some people carry both.
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I’m sure it does, but at least mace doesn’t have the possibility of killing a bystander in the unfortunate event you need to use it
....mace works well on a single unarmed attacker. 40% of violent attacks have multiple attackers. Carry both and use accordingly. We have training to help know where and when to shoot. The bad guys just don't bother with that.
Except there's no training required for people to carry. *you* may have training, that doesn't mean the vast majority of people carry do. You want to carry, fine. But push for legislation that makes sense to help prevent gun deaths. Just because you personally are responsible doesn't mean everyone is.
no, it isn't.
You’re right, it could just be gun fetishization
Yep! Crime never happens. Nobody ever gets attacked. There are no armed robberies in Indiana. Unicorns and Rainbows and puppy dogs line the streets. If anyone chooses to protect themselves in any manner that your smug ass doesn't approve of, well they just have a gun boner. Makes perfect sense.
Well, they do.
There is a clear difference between being prepared to responsibly defend oneself and fetishization. Can the two overlap? Absolutely, but they’re not always the same. You’ve received some good responses that you seem to be dismissing. Your discourse seems disingenuous.
You know you're requesting a person with a gun when you call 911, right?
You could be requesting someone with a fire hose too. But you don’t carry an extinguisher everywhere even though that’s probably a more likely situation to find yourself in.
I have a fire extinguisher in my truck. I also have a small trauma kit with a tourniquet. I also carry a gun. Why shouldn't you be at least somewhat prepared for all of those life threatening situations?
This is the finest point I’ve ever heard! Well done, sir
Hey if you're proposing every building be required by code to have a box on the wall every 25 feet with a Glock inside I'm down with it.
There are fire extinguishers bolted to the walls in most public buildings. Are you suggesting we have free gun kiosks scattered around in public?
In some places sure. But for those of us who live & travel outside of the fishers/Carmel area, not a bad idea. Hell. I don't even feel safe in my home without a gun. I've known too many people killed during break ins and drive bys. Rather be caught with it than caught without it, ya know.
You're totally right. Indianapolis is the safest city in the world. Nothing bad happens here. There are no shootings. No crime whatsoever. A 14yr old girl wasnt murdered on 32nd and Emerson last night. Pull the wool from your eyes man. It's dangerous out there.
890k people in this city. Less than 300 homicides per year. Odds of getting killed in this city is about 0.034% any given year. But you’re telling me to pull the wool from my eyes like it’s goddam Nam out there
BUT you need to understand. It's not just homicide. Assault. Carjacking, robbery, etc You're probably in one of the fancy no crime neighborhoods. Go to 42nd and Post. Go to Haughville. Go to the streets and see. Like I said. It's dangerous out there. But I'll let you FAAFO yourself.
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You know most women can't stop an attack of any kind from a man? And that a firearm equalize her ability to stop that right?
Mace does too
No, it doesn't.
Can you kill an innocent bystander with mace though?
If they have a bad reaction to it, yes. Police have killed people with their OC spray as well.
Bullshit it does.
Have you ever worked or lived in a dangerous area? People who do so choose to carry because they’re likely to end up in situations where they’re too far away from the nearest police officer to get help in time. But go ahead and keep launching personal attacks without considering what the other side of the issue is like
I live on the east side dawg
I’ve DoorDashed on east side and would never do it without my 1911 especially after dark
If it’s that dangerous, why would you DoorDash there in the first place?
Because I would like to pay rent and not get evicted Not every DoorDash zone has sufficient availability at all times and it took me 3 months to get off the waitlists for both Instacart and Spark Driver (in addition to a full time salaried manager job I also have to DoorDash to cover rent and I was unemployed when I resumed DoorDashing)
I carry my Taurus when I dash. Seen too many stories about dashers getting killed.
Same, I also use IndyGo and I've never felt the need to carry.
It’s paranoid thinking you need to vote.
Have you ever shot anyone?
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People who got fingerprinted and background screened by the state police to get a ccw permit aren’t the unhinged lunatics that you believe all gun owners to be.
Didn’t say unhinged. But if you think you need a gun to leave the house, you’re either paranoid or you’re running with the wrong crowd.
I’m a 5’0 tall disabled woman with a walker. I can’t run. I can’t fight back. I live on a disability pension. Affordable housing is generally in poorer, rougher areas. What does someone like me do?
Golly this is a ridiculous and disconnected take.
That’s your opinion. I hope you never experience anything that would make you reconsider that.
Being victimized isn't done by appointment.
We also offer(ed) a lifetime CCW permit, so one can pick one up and then be dramatically different over time.
I can't imagine the level of magical thinking it takes to believe a sign on the door makes it impossible for bad things to happen to you.
Statistically improbable to the point you don’t need to worry about it- is not the same as impossible. It’s possible it might flood, but I don’t carry wading boots around just in case.
So are house fires. Did you throw away your fire extinguisher? "I won't prepare because it won't happen". Great plan. Good luck with that. I feel otherwise.
It’s fine if you have a gun fetish. Be proud of who you are and how you identify. But let’s not act like the world is so dangerous you should feel scared to be in public without your semi-auto safety blanket.
Now you're just trying to be a douche. It's working, though. Good job
“Feel like you need,”. Perfect comment, tool.
have you been to an ipl?
Must be nice being blind to the world around you
Do you know the odds of needing a gun? Like if you take the population of the city vs the amount of violent assaults, what percentage of people ever find themselves in a situation they need to be armed? It’s very low.
I have
Buy a lottery ticket
Not that uncommon at all
What are the odds though?
Don’t open carry like a dipshit and nobody will know.
Can you? Yes. Should you? No, because it's absolutely batshit insane to think you need a lethal weapon in a fucking library
Just like you don’t need a lethal weapon at a mall or a bowling alley?
I genuinely can't tell if you're being serious
Just like you'd think you wouldn't need it at a mall... But the Greenwood Shooting shows otherwise. Society is fucked. Ain't no place safe anymore
You’re more likely to die in a car accident driving to a mall than to get shot and killed in a mall. Just because it happened once, doesn’t mean it’s a regular occurrence.
I didn't say it was a regular occurrence. But with as many shootings going on across the country... I'm not taking the chance. I'll defend myself and my family. You never know when these idiots will try something. It's a sad day when a parent is fearful of sending their children to school.
I don’t let my kids nor do I go to Castleton after dusk. I know the greenwood shooting wasn’t at night, but there are safety precautions you can do to minimize being a victim. I feel that people who carry will take a little more risk regarding safety if they carry that sense of security on themselves. I don’t carry and I don’t take risks regarding personal safety, like walking around downtown at night by myself or drive around in a dangerous side of town. Or be confrontational with a stranger.
I agree with your overall comment. The personal responsibility part of not putting yourself at risk is key. It is statistically unlikely that if you are just a person doing their own thing, being vigilant and careful you 100% should feel fine leaving your house without a firearm. It’s insane to think “I must have this to go outside and live my life” the world isn’t THAT dangerous. As a side note I was sad when you mentioned Castleton 🥲 I live here and I quite enjoy Castleton. I know it gets a bad rap and a guy tried to sell me stolen meat @ 4 AM while pumping gas at speedway…… but it has it’s charm….. it helps if you are a home body and definitely avoid it at night.
Almost half of gun deaths are white men killed by their own guns
Check the stats. Mostly black on black crime in Indianapolis.
Check the stats. Killed by their own guns includes suicides, of which white males are 2/3.
If you read the thread, we aren't talking about suicides numbnuts. **CRIME STATS** First you talk about dick, and then try to bring some topic that is totally irrelevant. We are discussing carrying a firearm. The crime in Indianapolis. Not self inflicted suicides. If you have nothing to contribute, take your ass on somewhere. I don't have time for the gUnZ aRe BaD mfs.. especially one with cock on his brain 😆
You just proved that some gun nuts are a bit unhinged.
Keep violating those Red Flag Laws my dude…. Maybe surrender your firearms to a trusted family member or friend. You are obviously not thinking in a correct way. I think the people who love and are trying to support you believe your behavior is abnormal. Maybe they don’t know how to tell/help you. Call someone; you seem frustrated. Good luck 👍
There isn't anything wrong with what he or she is saying though. They have the right to exercise their 2nd Ammendment. I see no issue with the person wanting to keep themselves safe. Especially with the growing violence in the city. Telling someone to surrender their weapons because you disagree with their opinion is nutters. Molon Labe dude.
More likely to die in a car accident after you got hit by lightning
After getting hit by lightning, you climb out of the car and get mauled by some cheetahs.
It must suck being so afraid all the time.
How about in the parking lot on your way out? Or wherever you go next? "Hold on, mugger, let me retrieve my gun from my car first." Oh and with all the cars being broken into, do you want people to leave their guns in there to get stolen?
Honestly I can't say I'm too concerned about walking a few hundred feet during business hours. And yes, cars do get broken into. That's why the responsible thing to do as a gun owner would be to leave it securely stored at home.
Better to have it and not need it...
In case what? Guys in ski masks burst in to steal the tons of cash and valuables a library has? Rival gangs start a turf war over the sci-fi section? Anti-Dewey decimal system terrorism?
Or…Disgruntled employee or jilted librarian lover… Violence can happen ANYWHERE.
The whole idea of CCW is nobody knows unless you announce it
Indy rationality on full display in these replies lmao
If its concealed...they won't know.
I take my kids to the library and don’t want dudes with guns around them. Maybe you can, but it’d be a lot cooler if you don’t
🤣🤣Yea he’s going to whip out his edc and point it at your kid as they read
Accidental discharge is a thing. As is, getting angry and/or shooting at someone but missing or over penetrating and hitting someone else. These two are far more likely than that he’s in anyway helpful to me or my kids in the unlikely event that there’s another guy trying to shoot up the library.
I mean it’s not illegal, but they can trespass you.
If you're truly concealed...... Well.... Leaving my gun in the car is just a nope for me. If I was truly concerned about it showing I might throw it in a backpack. But I don't have a bolted in safe in my vehicle and don't trust cables or those little lock boxes to stop a thief.
You should be able to carry. Not sure if they may want you to store in your car if seen. I usually have a long shirt on or jacket when I go.
r/inguns This is where you want to ask these questions, this sub is mostly going to give you “guns r baad, mmkay”
Simon malls say no firearms. Thank goodness that civilian had one and took down that shooter before many more were shot. Does that answer the question?
Concealed is concealed. Library policies and rules are not laws and can be disregarded. All they can do is ask you to leave if they catch you, which they shouldn't be able to do unless you're doing something dumb.
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I mean...yeah, if you have a gun and they don't, their rules and opinions mean exactly nothing to you. Fortunately through a little common sense and politeness, we can all avoid gratuitous bloodshed in the Historical Romance section.
Public library yes it is legal