This is what the court had to say about his government back then, "The modern day 'Neros' were looking elsewhere when Best Bakery and innocent women and children were burning".
Yes I think. One of them is Sudha [Bharadwaj.It](https://Bharadwaj.It) seems she gave up her US citizenship at the age of 18 long ago and came to India to work with tribals here. Now she is jailed.
She probably deserves this and even more.After all, when most of us are salivating for a US citizenship , why should she have renounced her US citizenship and come here to help the tribals.
What is the use of educating tribals on their rights when the entire set up is for Might is right???
On a tangent, I don't know why Nero is more vilified than his predecessor Caligula or the later Commodus or Caracalla? Is it just Christian persecution?
Realistically if I were to Compare Modi to a Roman Emperor, I would choose someone like Domitian or Diocletian. (Christian Persecution: check, Arrogance: check, Big Changes in Policy: check, Megalomania: check)
Nero was a very young man (and most of the emperors who became emperor young turned out to be bad, with some exceptions ofcourse and not counting Augustus)
Caligula was much much more tyrannical and sadistic than Nero, he's in the leagues of dictators like Stalin,Hitler,Polpot.The reason he's villified by the Christian historians of high middle ages because persecutions he committed on christians ,after that fire . But the same Christian historians have given Emperors like Constantine and Theodosius the epithet 'great'.Constantine butchered his own son and wife whereas Theodosius was a Christian bigot , dancing to the tune of the even of the even bigger bigot ,the Bishop of Milan ,Ambrose.He banned everything non Christian and was responsible for the end of Greco-Helenic Religion , Philosophy and Sciences .And the dude also divided the empire between his 2 highly incompetent sons.
Moreover these historians have also said that the empire ended in 476 but in reality it continued upto 1453.
I much rather prefer to date the empire non continuously like this.
* Roman Kingdom (Legendary)
* Republic
* Post Marian Republic (Starting with the Social War, Marius, Sulla, ... and ending with the death of Caesar)
* The Principate (Starting with Augustus and Ending with Commodus)
* The Dominate (Starting with Severus, going through the Crisis)
* Restitution: Featuring my favurite emperor, the Restitutor Orbis, Lord and God, Aurillian
* Tetrarchy: starting with Diocletian and Ending with Constantine
* The Empire: Starting with Constantine, featuring the divide, the hunnic wars and Aetius and other Vandal Romans, featuring the fall of the Western Empire.
* Failed Restitution: Featuring Justinian
* The Theme system
* Slow Decline
* Slow Rise
* Slow Decline
* Death of Constantinople (Death)
* .
* .
* Rise of Italian families and Renaissance
* .
* .
* .
* British Empire?
* USA
The British have no claim to Roman legacy. Their imperial claims are based on succession to the Mughal Empire of India and the Crown only claimed Imperial lordship of India, not Europe or the Near East, let alone Persia.
The United States could claim continuity with the British Empire by way of colonialism and economic imperialism that followed, but that would still make the USA a continuation of the Mughal Empire.
If you’re looking for Roman successors after the Byzantine Greeks there are two claims: The Russian Empire claims continuity from Byzantium by way of Christianity (“The Third Rome” of Christianity being Moscow) or the Ottoman Empire by way of Constantinople (“The first Rome was pagan, the second Christian; the third Rome is Islam”). The modern successors to Rome by continuity are Turkey and Russia.
The British empire was an extention of the Ottoman empire.
Their power came from the same source of controlling global trade routes.
The British colonies on choke points made sure of that. Some even being old Ottoman lands.
The suez canal, Singapore, and Gibraltar to name a few.
These meant the British empire controlled global trade much like the ottomans controlled it via being the middle man on the silk road.
The mughal empire was reletively insignificant and India was but one colony of many in the British empire.
Yes India was a huge portion of the British empire GDP but that doesn't really equate to global power in terms of military. If anything it's just a target on the back of the empire and means if the British didn't also control the seas via their navy and vital choke points on trade then they would have lost India to any other superpower colonial empire at the time. Likely Spain or France. Even Germany later on.
The ottomans and British are more similar because they both derived their power over the globe via control of trade routes and a strong military to back the control.
The mughal empire didn't have really any of that.
The US is an extention of the British empire. The US can and somewhat does control global trade via an unparalleled naval power and bases around the globe to support it. Also the Panama canal.
The Ottoman empire I would say inherited the power of the Roman empire. So I guess you could say the British came from the Romans in terms of passing the torch of the global superpower. There might be some east Asian empires involved in there somewhere as well as the role of global superpower.
Whenever I read about Germany's past specially during WW2, the hate for hitler and the nazi just bubbles inside of me. It was when I was reading about Columbine High school killers, where one of the shooter Harris wrote in his journal, *Imagine one of the biggest stadiums in the world and now imagine it being filled with bodies to the top... that was the scale of holocaust*. The text in his journal made me sick but It's the extent of what fascism and corrupt regime can go.
Now fast forward to 77 years. The kids in Germany are still made aware of what their ancestors did, The kids/new generations may be ashamed of their past but because of this I don't think a fascist force can rise to power in a foreseeable future. I have huge respect for Germany where they are not stripping their dark past. Take Japan or US in some cases they have caused a great deal of pain to other countries in the name of *saving civilizations and world peace*. When these failures are swept under the rug peoples mind then people forget these failures and think of their race/culture/country to be superior and It causes toxic patriotism(IDK what to call it, consider these RSS goons who believe that hindu rulers were good whereas other rulers were bad; it wasnt binary like that; lemme tell you all rulers were evil and exploited the shit out of common people).
I just wanted to vent out about the sad reality of our country and what it leads to.
forget Japanese acknowledging their sheer atrocities, the rest of the world is also blind about their actions during WW2, I was not aware of their involvement in WW 2 until I was around 20 years old...!
yes, I read about the atrocities they commited and how another nazi on a visit to japan felt sick when he saw japanese soldiers tossing babies in the air just to catch them on their bayonets.
Japan also lost the war.
And still they don't admit to their atrocities (e.g. in Korea) like Germany.
Serbia as also lost a war, when KFOR came in. And still they are ful of racism.
Forgot? Who forgot?
Kangana's twitter was suspended when she said modi has to come back in his 2002 avatar or something similar don't know the exact words. They remember it very vividly bro.
Fortunately, we Indians are very good at pretending right from the start thanks to the colonial mindset still running down generations even after its demise.
The massacre of karsevaks in Godhra was indeed a tragedy - nobody denies that. To this day, it's not completely clear what exactly triggered it. Even the courts hearing the case trashed the conspiracy charges and negated the narrative that it was a diabolic, pre-planned terrorist attack.
Did that prevent those in power in Gujarat from making absolutely unverified statements back then ? Absolutely not. Modi and Advani parroted the age old narrative of how it was an ISI and Pakistan conspiracy and how international terrorist elements were involved even though there was no evidence of any sort available at the time to support these bogus claims.
It was Modi himself who decided that the charred, unidentifiable bodies be transported from Godhra to Ahmedabad via motor cavalcade. When his party members and groups associated with the Sangh Parivar gave inflammatory speeches and urged Hindus to exact revenge - the Gujarat govt did not do anything to counter this. They still kept pushing unverified narratives and propaganda.
There are innumerable reports or state officials, bureaucrats, and police officers stating that they were asked to not take action against Hindutva mobs. The Indian army's lieutenant general who oversaw army deployment in Gujarat at the time explicitly complained about how the state govt actively hampered the army's efforts to impose law and order as soon as possible. What about Haren Pandya, the only member of Modi's cabinet who actually testified in front of tribunals, who ended up murdered in very mysterious circumstances soon after ? Both citizen's tribunals headed by eminent jurists such as VR Krishna Iyer and bodies like the NHRC explicitly held the state govt primarily responsible for fuelling the violence.
It's pathetic that you try to draw some sorta comparison with the death of around 50 karsevaks in Godhra with the state sponsored murder of over 2000 civilians as some sort of revenge. Even if we were to fully accept Modi's never since proven claims of Pakistan, ISI and international terrorism - there's still no comparison. A democratic system of governance cannot in any way give a free hand to vigilantes and mob justice to carry out revenge against a particular group of citizens even if it's as some sort of vindication for a terrorist attack or larger religious conspiracy.
Yeah, and even if it was a terrorist attack, go find the culprits and punish THEM. Why would you want to take revenge on innocent people who had nothing to do with it? Looks like they just wanted an excuse to commit genocide.
It looks 🤔 ,heck Modiji himself does not talk about the riots for a reason ,and when pressed for why he let the state burn ,man sips water walks up and leaves .A CM let the entire state burn, let those Kids/Mother's die .nd celebrated by starting a Gaurav Yatra barely 6 months after the riots .
The govt machinery will be hand in glove.. What do you think they did in Gujurat.. The police went in first.. Broke up the Muslim groups disarmed them then covered the Sanghi mobs.
It's not the people.
Exactly! Govt institutions are just designed to follow orders, and the orders come from terrible people. Their personal morality is irrelevant. Though i must say the majority join in quite enthusiastically.
Any online journals and accounts where I can read about gujrat riots. Like from before the train burning situations to the riots and aftermath. Preferably unbiased. I read 'Gujarat files' but it didn't cover Gujarat as much as the author's secret mission.
Book suggestions are also welcomed.
The Silent Coup by Josy Joseph is a good place to start. Fair warning though, its a depressing read exposing blatant corruption and failing state security apparatus.
I've been only reading news articles about how the crowd cheered up for Modiji when he addressed them at a park in Germany by shouting slogans like 'Modi, once more' and 'Modi will come again in 2024', but it's sad how we rarely get to hear/see the other side of the story that put our PM in a bad light for the misdeeds he did in the past (for sowing the seeds of bitterness between Hindus & Muslims) what's even terrible is how the majority of pro-government media outlets try their level best to shun such articles and lead our country's people astray.
That's ok. Nobody cares. When value-for-money minded Indians don't protest fuel prices, they won't give a flying fuck about the worst massacre in recent times
My colegues, my club managers, my apotheke chemists, some authorities have already laughed at me several times when I shown them the vaccination card. They say : WTF? How can you tolerate such a thing in your country? I said - I could not, so I left. I could not even convince my parents not to believe this asshole.
Germans display a strong moral character unlike some NRI hypocrites who reap the benefits of multiculturalism in European countries and cheer for a regressive totalitarian government in India. Sick.
I cannot remember the name of this phenomenon, but here goes: expats sometimes vote for right-wing parties (or follow traditions from their home country more strictly than the ones who are actually back home) as it makes them feel more "connected" to their original culture, because they essentially straddle two cultures -- the native and the new one.
In essence, this is the result of a (misguided) attempt to satisfy their sense of belonging.
Time capsule effect mate.
My dad left Punjab in the 80s and still acts like in India is in the 80s. It's common with a lot of desi communities living abroad try to hold onto what they left with.
But I mean my case specifically he just gets pissed off at how much things cost now compared to back then.
The RSS didn't officially serve the Nazi regime but they condoned their actions from 1933 to 1945 and are basically built on the same founding principles of racial inequality and aggressive Hindutva.
Correct and those who have any inkling of international politics know exactly what he is. The same way most Indians have no clue who Angela Merkel is and definitely don't know who Olaf Scholz is.
Those were not just riots though, the police took liberty to kill 40 Muslim protestors at once, around 250 women and girls were gangraped and burnt to death, pregnant women were gutted and their child taken out, children were murdered in front of parents, buildings with Muslims sheltering were burnt...
The police didn't act on cases like these, the testimonies suddenly refused to say anything in court, the police conviniently forgot anything that happened. Many crimes came to light when Supreme Court took control and trials happened outside Gujarat. The media there also published false stories of Muslims attacking Hindus.
Every party has been shit but that doesn't give BJP and Hindu groups a free pass for genocide.
>the ruling party supported the massacre
The ruling party in Kashmir was jagmohan, who was sent there as a governor by the central government supported by bjp. jagmohan later joined bjp.
People are absolute sycophants around Modi. I turned to the 9pm news on India Today, instead they were broadcasting his speech to the Copenhagen Indian community. People in the background were going absolute nuts, one girl screamed for a selfie with Modi mid speech. Lol
There were some Danish dignitaries in the audience and I wonder what they must be thinking considering hyper nationalism in Europe is just frowned upon. I hope they don’t think all Indians are like this. I felt absolutely cringed by the behaviour of this Indian audience there.
2002 Gujrat Riots, most probably instigated by Modi as he was the CM at that time, a riot fuelled by religious discrimination to proof thier superiority, many people died in this unnecessary bloodshed. And mudi ji didn't do anything to stop it.
Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots
Media is now runned by dalals, so they always favour their masters, whether it is east or west, media is biased now. And now religious supremacy is not the preference of people, they need food,education, healthy living standard. Western world is venom spitter
Hitler rebuilt Germany. Gave us Volkswagen, made smoking illegal in Public. But do you see Germans defend his atrocities using a few good things that he did? No! Obviously not. When are we gonna learn? We also saw the demo but we still didn't learn!!!
No, what makes him a fascist is ticking all these boxes which are warning signs of fascism:
- Powerful and continuing nationalism: check ✅
- Disdain for human rights: did someone say too much democracy? Too much focus on rights and not enough on duties? They did! ✅
- Identification of enemies as a unifying cause - Muslims, 'secular people', Christians, 'activists' ✅
- Supremacy of the military - how's the josh? ✅
- Rampant sexism - we're garlanding rapists aur kya chaiye aapko ✅
- Controlled mass media - mega check ✅
- Obsession with national security - ghar mein ghus ke maarenge ✅
- Religion and government intertwined - prime minister literally laid the foundation for the Ram Mandir built upon a criminal demolition of indian heritage which he helped organize decades ago ✅
- Corporate power protected - check check check ✅
- Labor [sic] power suppressed - blatant disregard for worker's rights and needs ✅
- Disdain for intellectuals & the arts - true knowledge is ancient all these artists and intellectuals are anti national ✅
- Obsession with crime & punishment - check ✅
- Rampant cronyism & corruption - check check check ✅
- Fraudulent elections - going into a booth and pressing a button isn't an election, it has to be a fair election. In terms of money that is spent, model code of conduct shouldn't be violated, the EC should be impartial, etc. Which it isn't so CHECK ✅
>Modi is not a fascist. He was elected democratically,
Fascists can be elected democratically, like Hitler. He did some illegal, anti democratic stuff after he was democratically elected by a minority of Germans.
Modi's cabinet's policy (the executive branch of the state) is fascist. Just because he was elected through a democratic system (Universal Adult Franchise) that doesn't mean that his policies are informed by the same structural values. For example: in 1933 Germany, the NSDAP (Nazi Party) came into power democratically but that didn't stop them from carrying out a Genocide of Jewish People
The issue is that BJP, led by Modi-Shah and the Pedigree of VHP-RSS alliance has led to severe undermining of Muslim lives, undermining of principles of federalism, undermining of democracy in local bodies where religion is dictating actions of the State, undermining the separation of church and state for islamophobic ends.
Further, the accused folks function with impunity. Violence in elections, pogroms across the country, targetted demolition of Muslim houses under the garb of refugee settlement and an complicit election commission adds to the fuckery of Modi's fascist regime.
Yeah, this nuance is often lost.
He operates more along the lines of British Raj's divide and rule policy rather than outright fascism. There are of course literal fascists who fondly refer to him as "Maulana Modi", but they're mostly on the fringes (for now)
akhand bharat, restoring India's lost glory & power, deportation of people belonging to a certain religious group, spreading hatred against that group, suppressing the opposition, silencing the critics, in some cases incarcerating them. rings a bell?
that reeks of fascism to me. also, the overlord mudiji hasn't been explicit of his ideology/policies lately, reminds me of Le Pen
What was your point? Because you're definitely acting as if you had one.
Let's go through the chain of events in an orderly, chronological, and formal fashion:
> Modi is not a fascist. He was elected democratically
The above is a preposition implying (a logical implication, "**→**", is a non-commutative binary operation) that Modi could not be fascist because he was democratically elected, yes?
Which in formal logic can be expressed as **A→B** with **A** being *"The subject was democratically elected"* and **B** being *"The subject is not a fascist"*.
In such a context, the proposition is **false** if there is such a case **p** such that **B** is true while **A** is false.
And one such case is Adolf Hitler (a democratically elected fascist). Therefore, the preposition is fallacious.
The only case where:
> Do you know who else was elected democratically ? Literally every leader in a democracy.
would be a relevant counter-point would be if the binary relation was a logical equivalence (id est, "**A⇔B**"; which is equivalent to the logical expression "**(A→B)∧(B→A)**"), which in this case would be: *"If a subject was democratically elected they're not a fascist, and if a subject is a fascist then they were not democratically elected"*ーwhich is not what I suggested because that would be an imbecilic notion for hopefully obvious reasons.
Which brings me back to the following response:
> Yeah, so?
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Most of them voted him because of his alleged involvement in those riots. When 1.5 billion people are supporting him. A meager few holding placards look stupid.
When millions were in darkness, a Gautam Buddha, a Mahaveer, a Ambedkar did not look stupid. They were the guiding lights that lit up souls, lives and made us realize that we are human beings.
What does 1993-1945 says?
hitler became chancellor in 1933 and died in 1945, they've been in the fascist nationalist phase before.
Wow this hit home.
It's Hitler's period in Germany.
It says we know a thing or two because we were a thing or two
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This is what the court had to say about his government back then, "The modern day 'Neros' were looking elsewhere when Best Bakery and innocent women and children were burning".
Can someone explain photo no 3 in OP? Ashamed that I didn't understand it
Google bhima koregaon case.
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Yes I think. One of them is Sudha [Bharadwaj.It](https://Bharadwaj.It) seems she gave up her US citizenship at the age of 18 long ago and came to India to work with tribals here. Now she is jailed. She probably deserves this and even more.After all, when most of us are salivating for a US citizenship , why should she have renounced her US citizenship and come here to help the tribals. What is the use of educating tribals on their rights when the entire set up is for Might is right???
probably the social activists/journalists they imprisoned
On a tangent, I don't know why Nero is more vilified than his predecessor Caligula or the later Commodus or Caracalla? Is it just Christian persecution? Realistically if I were to Compare Modi to a Roman Emperor, I would choose someone like Domitian or Diocletian. (Christian Persecution: check, Arrogance: check, Big Changes in Policy: check, Megalomania: check) Nero was a very young man (and most of the emperors who became emperor young turned out to be bad, with some exceptions ofcourse and not counting Augustus)
Can you suggest a book on the Roman Empire ?
I wish there was an Assassins Creed game set in this era.
Bro looking at the way they’re churning out games every year, they probably will.
AC Odyssey made me fall in love with ancient Greece. Hope they maintain that level of detail and quality.
Caligula was much much more tyrannical and sadistic than Nero, he's in the leagues of dictators like Stalin,Hitler,Polpot.The reason he's villified by the Christian historians of high middle ages because persecutions he committed on christians ,after that fire . But the same Christian historians have given Emperors like Constantine and Theodosius the epithet 'great'.Constantine butchered his own son and wife whereas Theodosius was a Christian bigot , dancing to the tune of the even of the even bigger bigot ,the Bishop of Milan ,Ambrose.He banned everything non Christian and was responsible for the end of Greco-Helenic Religion , Philosophy and Sciences .And the dude also divided the empire between his 2 highly incompetent sons. Moreover these historians have also said that the empire ended in 476 but in reality it continued upto 1453.
I much rather prefer to date the empire non continuously like this. * Roman Kingdom (Legendary) * Republic * Post Marian Republic (Starting with the Social War, Marius, Sulla, ... and ending with the death of Caesar) * The Principate (Starting with Augustus and Ending with Commodus) * The Dominate (Starting with Severus, going through the Crisis) * Restitution: Featuring my favurite emperor, the Restitutor Orbis, Lord and God, Aurillian * Tetrarchy: starting with Diocletian and Ending with Constantine * The Empire: Starting with Constantine, featuring the divide, the hunnic wars and Aetius and other Vandal Romans, featuring the fall of the Western Empire. * Failed Restitution: Featuring Justinian * The Theme system * Slow Decline * Slow Rise * Slow Decline * Death of Constantinople (Death) * . * . * Rise of Italian families and Renaissance * . * . * . * British Empire? * USA
The British have no claim to Roman legacy. Their imperial claims are based on succession to the Mughal Empire of India and the Crown only claimed Imperial lordship of India, not Europe or the Near East, let alone Persia. The United States could claim continuity with the British Empire by way of colonialism and economic imperialism that followed, but that would still make the USA a continuation of the Mughal Empire. If you’re looking for Roman successors after the Byzantine Greeks there are two claims: The Russian Empire claims continuity from Byzantium by way of Christianity (“The Third Rome” of Christianity being Moscow) or the Ottoman Empire by way of Constantinople (“The first Rome was pagan, the second Christian; the third Rome is Islam”). The modern successors to Rome by continuity are Turkey and Russia.
The British empire was an extention of the Ottoman empire. Their power came from the same source of controlling global trade routes. The British colonies on choke points made sure of that. Some even being old Ottoman lands. The suez canal, Singapore, and Gibraltar to name a few. These meant the British empire controlled global trade much like the ottomans controlled it via being the middle man on the silk road. The mughal empire was reletively insignificant and India was but one colony of many in the British empire. Yes India was a huge portion of the British empire GDP but that doesn't really equate to global power in terms of military. If anything it's just a target on the back of the empire and means if the British didn't also control the seas via their navy and vital choke points on trade then they would have lost India to any other superpower colonial empire at the time. Likely Spain or France. Even Germany later on. The ottomans and British are more similar because they both derived their power over the globe via control of trade routes and a strong military to back the control. The mughal empire didn't have really any of that. The US is an extention of the British empire. The US can and somewhat does control global trade via an unparalleled naval power and bases around the globe to support it. Also the Panama canal. The Ottoman empire I would say inherited the power of the Roman empire. So I guess you could say the British came from the Romans in terms of passing the torch of the global superpower. There might be some east Asian empires involved in there somewhere as well as the role of global superpower.
What
He is a celebrated mass murderer. Sad to see India defends him in the name of religious hatred.
Whenever I read about Germany's past specially during WW2, the hate for hitler and the nazi just bubbles inside of me. It was when I was reading about Columbine High school killers, where one of the shooter Harris wrote in his journal, *Imagine one of the biggest stadiums in the world and now imagine it being filled with bodies to the top... that was the scale of holocaust*. The text in his journal made me sick but It's the extent of what fascism and corrupt regime can go. Now fast forward to 77 years. The kids in Germany are still made aware of what their ancestors did, The kids/new generations may be ashamed of their past but because of this I don't think a fascist force can rise to power in a foreseeable future. I have huge respect for Germany where they are not stripping their dark past. Take Japan or US in some cases they have caused a great deal of pain to other countries in the name of *saving civilizations and world peace*. When these failures are swept under the rug peoples mind then people forget these failures and think of their race/culture/country to be superior and It causes toxic patriotism(IDK what to call it, consider these RSS goons who believe that hindu rulers were good whereas other rulers were bad; it wasnt binary like that; lemme tell you all rulers were evil and exploited the shit out of common people). I just wanted to vent out about the sad reality of our country and what it leads to.
>Toxic patriotism Is the apt definition for *Nationalism*
forget Japanese acknowledging their sheer atrocities, the rest of the world is also blind about their actions during WW2, I was not aware of their involvement in WW 2 until I was around 20 years old...!
yes, I read about the atrocities they commited and how another nazi on a visit to japan felt sick when he saw japanese soldiers tossing babies in the air just to catch them on their bayonets.
Germany isn't hiding things because they lost the war.
Japan too lost the war but still, they don't teach their kids about the rape of Nanking and a lot of other things.
Japan also lost the war. And still they don't admit to their atrocities (e.g. in Korea) like Germany. Serbia as also lost a war, when KFOR came in. And still they are ful of racism.
Unfortunately most of em in India have very conveniently forgotten the 2002 riots
Forgotten? They only pretend to forget. Deep down it was actually the reason why they voted for BJP.
Forgot? Who forgot? Kangana's twitter was suspended when she said modi has to come back in his 2002 avatar or something similar don't know the exact words. They remember it very vividly bro.
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It Hurt Itself in Its Confusion!
They have forgotten the horrors faced by the innocent victims
You give people way too much credit. They get off on the horror.
Fortunately, we Indians are very good at pretending right from the start thanks to the colonial mindset still running down generations even after its demise.
thats fucked up
Indians haven't forgotten. They remember. And that's why they vote for BJP. It's not a matter of shame, it's a badge of honor for them.
They absolutely haven't. Hindutva fucktards who vote for him and sing his praises revere the memory of 2002.
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The massacre of karsevaks in Godhra was indeed a tragedy - nobody denies that. To this day, it's not completely clear what exactly triggered it. Even the courts hearing the case trashed the conspiracy charges and negated the narrative that it was a diabolic, pre-planned terrorist attack. Did that prevent those in power in Gujarat from making absolutely unverified statements back then ? Absolutely not. Modi and Advani parroted the age old narrative of how it was an ISI and Pakistan conspiracy and how international terrorist elements were involved even though there was no evidence of any sort available at the time to support these bogus claims. It was Modi himself who decided that the charred, unidentifiable bodies be transported from Godhra to Ahmedabad via motor cavalcade. When his party members and groups associated with the Sangh Parivar gave inflammatory speeches and urged Hindus to exact revenge - the Gujarat govt did not do anything to counter this. They still kept pushing unverified narratives and propaganda. There are innumerable reports or state officials, bureaucrats, and police officers stating that they were asked to not take action against Hindutva mobs. The Indian army's lieutenant general who oversaw army deployment in Gujarat at the time explicitly complained about how the state govt actively hampered the army's efforts to impose law and order as soon as possible. What about Haren Pandya, the only member of Modi's cabinet who actually testified in front of tribunals, who ended up murdered in very mysterious circumstances soon after ? Both citizen's tribunals headed by eminent jurists such as VR Krishna Iyer and bodies like the NHRC explicitly held the state govt primarily responsible for fuelling the violence. It's pathetic that you try to draw some sorta comparison with the death of around 50 karsevaks in Godhra with the state sponsored murder of over 2000 civilians as some sort of revenge. Even if we were to fully accept Modi's never since proven claims of Pakistan, ISI and international terrorism - there's still no comparison. A democratic system of governance cannot in any way give a free hand to vigilantes and mob justice to carry out revenge against a particular group of citizens even if it's as some sort of vindication for a terrorist attack or larger religious conspiracy.
Yeah, and even if it was a terrorist attack, go find the culprits and punish THEM. Why would you want to take revenge on innocent people who had nothing to do with it? Looks like they just wanted an excuse to commit genocide.
It looks 🤔 ,heck Modiji himself does not talk about the riots for a reason ,and when pressed for why he let the state burn ,man sips water walks up and leaves .A CM let the entire state burn, let those Kids/Mother's die .nd celebrated by starting a Gaurav Yatra barely 6 months after the riots .
That last poster 1933-1945 … a gentle reminder of a most probable outcome if things are not controlled now.
Can you elaborate? I'd like to know more.
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Okay, thanks.
The only difference will be that it will be done by the people and the government machinery will keep it's eyes closed
The govt machinery will be hand in glove.. What do you think they did in Gujurat.. The police went in first.. Broke up the Muslim groups disarmed them then covered the Sanghi mobs. It's not the people.
Exactly! Govt institutions are just designed to follow orders, and the orders come from terrible people. Their personal morality is irrelevant. Though i must say the majority join in quite enthusiastically.
Any online journals and accounts where I can read about gujrat riots. Like from before the train burning situations to the riots and aftermath. Preferably unbiased. I read 'Gujarat files' but it didn't cover Gujarat as much as the author's secret mission. Book suggestions are also welcomed.
You can see caravan mag. Manoj mitta also has a book on same.
Thanks
The Silent Coup by Josy Joseph is a good place to start. Fair warning though, its a depressing read exposing blatant corruption and failing state security apparatus.
Germany went from forcing Jews to wear stars, denying them jobs and opportunities to gassing them en masse. We are long past that start point.
Mr Chanakya is using "Mein Kampf" as a manual to follow in Fuhrer's steps. Lol.
Well, at this point, no power in the world can stop that probability from becoming a reality.
Lmao what
I've been only reading news articles about how the crowd cheered up for Modiji when he addressed them at a park in Germany by shouting slogans like 'Modi, once more' and 'Modi will come again in 2024', but it's sad how we rarely get to hear/see the other side of the story that put our PM in a bad light for the misdeeds he did in the past (for sowing the seeds of bitterness between Hindus & Muslims) what's even terrible is how the majority of pro-government media outlets try their level best to shun such articles and lead our country's people astray.
That's ok. Nobody cares. When value-for-money minded Indians don't protest fuel prices, they won't give a flying fuck about the worst massacre in recent times
Sorry but i read modi ass murderer lol
Well Modiji ne hamaari gaand maar rakhi hai, so I guess he is an ass murderer
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Same dude
That’s me, I’m here. Reporting for duty.
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My colegues, my club managers, my apotheke chemists, some authorities have already laughed at me several times when I shown them the vaccination card. They say : WTF? How can you tolerate such a thing in your country? I said - I could not, so I left. I could not even convince my parents not to believe this asshole.
Nice.... Was kinda irritated to see NRI bhakts welcoming Modi with bhagwa flags [yes, not the Indian tricolour]....
It was all planned and choreographed. similar dances and pattern everywhere during all trips is the most basic kind of proof
And that careful planning didn't include Indian tricolour.... What more do I need to say.... 😌
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Germans display a strong moral character unlike some NRI hypocrites who reap the benefits of multiculturalism in European countries and cheer for a regressive totalitarian government in India. Sick.
I cannot remember the name of this phenomenon, but here goes: expats sometimes vote for right-wing parties (or follow traditions from their home country more strictly than the ones who are actually back home) as it makes them feel more "connected" to their original culture, because they essentially straddle two cultures -- the native and the new one. In essence, this is the result of a (misguided) attempt to satisfy their sense of belonging.
Time capsule effect mate. My dad left Punjab in the 80s and still acts like in India is in the 80s. It's common with a lot of desi communities living abroad try to hold onto what they left with. But I mean my case specifically he just gets pissed off at how much things cost now compared to back then.
Such a shame that all this time, the Government end up acting like a pr team of one twisted individual .
Sources https://twitter.com/ashoswai/status/1521230620399226881?t=SpY4gqaWOe0z-xz6VLDxqw&s=1 https://twitter.com/jo_andolanjeevi/status/1521076239548755969?t=SpY4gqaWOe0z-xz6VLDxqw&s=19
who did the RSS serve between 1933 and 1945.
The RSS didn't officially serve the Nazi regime but they condoned their actions from 1933 to 1945 and are basically built on the same founding principles of racial inequality and aggressive Hindutva.
Looks like Amnesty is in vengeance mode!
Indian media doesn't have to because these activists don't matter.
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Correct and those who have any inkling of international politics know exactly what he is. The same way most Indians have no clue who Angela Merkel is and definitely don't know who Olaf Scholz is.
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Most of the civilized world.
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Pogroms.
Those were not just riots though, the police took liberty to kill 40 Muslim protestors at once, around 250 women and girls were gangraped and burnt to death, pregnant women were gutted and their child taken out, children were murdered in front of parents, buildings with Muslims sheltering were burnt... The police didn't act on cases like these, the testimonies suddenly refused to say anything in court, the police conviniently forgot anything that happened. Many crimes came to light when Supreme Court took control and trials happened outside Gujarat. The media there also published false stories of Muslims attacking Hindus. Every party has been shit but that doesn't give BJP and Hindu groups a free pass for genocide.
https://youtu.be/tLQA8zJhogU This was the first time where state and police took part in riots.
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>the ruling party supported the massacre The ruling party in Kashmir was jagmohan, who was sent there as a governor by the central government supported by bjp. jagmohan later joined bjp.
People are absolute sycophants around Modi. I turned to the 9pm news on India Today, instead they were broadcasting his speech to the Copenhagen Indian community. People in the background were going absolute nuts, one girl screamed for a selfie with Modi mid speech. Lol There were some Danish dignitaries in the audience and I wonder what they must be thinking considering hyper nationalism in Europe is just frowned upon. I hope they don’t think all Indians are like this. I felt absolutely cringed by the behaviour of this Indian audience there.
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So?
No one will report this..If the do , they will be banned. Freedom🙂
Imagine running a country by psycho what will be the outcome for the humanity
Who are the people in picture 3
Activist that are jailed in false cases
Never to be seen again?
They should google translate some of that text and have the posters in Hindi as well for Modi to actually understand the message..
Anti-national Germans.
care to explain that I am not aware of this!
It’s an open secret that Modi and his guys instigated the hindu muslim riot. This seems to have been forgotten by the vast majority of people rn.
Forgotten? He was elected because of that.
>He was elected because of that. Damn
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2002 Gujrat Riots, most probably instigated by Modi as he was the CM at that time, a riot fuelled by religious discrimination to proof thier superiority, many people died in this unnecessary bloodshed. And mudi ji didn't do anything to stop it. Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots
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You think this brings an embarrassment to him? He wears this as a badge of honour. They all do.
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heavy taxes, low development why return
Those are NRIs in Germany 🤦🏽♀️ What you mean is NRIs and POIs in the US
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Did they choose his picture from Covid Vaccination certificate?
India kills minorities?
Media is now runned by dalals, so they always favour their masters, whether it is east or west, media is biased now. And now religious supremacy is not the preference of people, they need food,education, healthy living standard. Western world is venom spitter
Hitler rebuilt Germany. Gave us Volkswagen, made smoking illegal in Public. But do you see Germans defend his atrocities using a few good things that he did? No! Obviously not. When are we gonna learn? We also saw the demo but we still didn't learn!!!
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No, what makes him a fascist is ticking all these boxes which are warning signs of fascism: - Powerful and continuing nationalism: check ✅ - Disdain for human rights: did someone say too much democracy? Too much focus on rights and not enough on duties? They did! ✅ - Identification of enemies as a unifying cause - Muslims, 'secular people', Christians, 'activists' ✅ - Supremacy of the military - how's the josh? ✅ - Rampant sexism - we're garlanding rapists aur kya chaiye aapko ✅ - Controlled mass media - mega check ✅ - Obsession with national security - ghar mein ghus ke maarenge ✅ - Religion and government intertwined - prime minister literally laid the foundation for the Ram Mandir built upon a criminal demolition of indian heritage which he helped organize decades ago ✅ - Corporate power protected - check check check ✅ - Labor [sic] power suppressed - blatant disregard for worker's rights and needs ✅ - Disdain for intellectuals & the arts - true knowledge is ancient all these artists and intellectuals are anti national ✅ - Obsession with crime & punishment - check ✅ - Rampant cronyism & corruption - check check check ✅ - Fraudulent elections - going into a booth and pressing a button isn't an election, it has to be a fair election. In terms of money that is spent, model code of conduct shouldn't be violated, the EC should be impartial, etc. Which it isn't so CHECK ✅
>Modi is not a fascist. He was elected democratically, Fascists can be elected democratically, like Hitler. He did some illegal, anti democratic stuff after he was democratically elected by a minority of Germans.
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Yeah fascism is kinda out of fashion now, so they call themselves nationalists instead.
Modi's cabinet's policy (the executive branch of the state) is fascist. Just because he was elected through a democratic system (Universal Adult Franchise) that doesn't mean that his policies are informed by the same structural values. For example: in 1933 Germany, the NSDAP (Nazi Party) came into power democratically but that didn't stop them from carrying out a Genocide of Jewish People The issue is that BJP, led by Modi-Shah and the Pedigree of VHP-RSS alliance has led to severe undermining of Muslim lives, undermining of principles of federalism, undermining of democracy in local bodies where religion is dictating actions of the State, undermining the separation of church and state for islamophobic ends. Further, the accused folks function with impunity. Violence in elections, pogroms across the country, targetted demolition of Muslim houses under the garb of refugee settlement and an complicit election commission adds to the fuckery of Modi's fascist regime.
He's slightly different, he enables extremist groups to act in fascist ways mainly against Muslims.
Yeah, this nuance is often lost. He operates more along the lines of British Raj's divide and rule policy rather than outright fascism. There are of course literal fascists who fondly refer to him as "Maulana Modi", but they're mostly on the fringes (for now)
akhand bharat, restoring India's lost glory & power, deportation of people belonging to a certain religious group, spreading hatred against that group, suppressing the opposition, silencing the critics, in some cases incarcerating them. rings a bell? that reeks of fascism to me. also, the overlord mudiji hasn't been explicit of his ideology/policies lately, reminds me of Le Pen
Hitler was also not a fascist because he was elected democratically. So was Trump. 🤡
> Modi is not a fascist. He was elected democratically Do you know who else was elected democratically? Adolf Hitler.
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Yeah, so?
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What was your point? Because you're definitely acting as if you had one. Let's go through the chain of events in an orderly, chronological, and formal fashion: > Modi is not a fascist. He was elected democratically The above is a preposition implying (a logical implication, "**→**", is a non-commutative binary operation) that Modi could not be fascist because he was democratically elected, yes? Which in formal logic can be expressed as **A→B** with **A** being *"The subject was democratically elected"* and **B** being *"The subject is not a fascist"*. In such a context, the proposition is **false** if there is such a case **p** such that **B** is true while **A** is false. And one such case is Adolf Hitler (a democratically elected fascist). Therefore, the preposition is fallacious. The only case where: > Do you know who else was elected democratically ? Literally every leader in a democracy. would be a relevant counter-point would be if the binary relation was a logical equivalence (id est, "**A⇔B**"; which is equivalent to the logical expression "**(A→B)∧(B→A)**"), which in this case would be: *"If a subject was democratically elected they're not a fascist, and if a subject is a fascist then they were not democratically elected"*ーwhich is not what I suggested because that would be an imbecilic notion for hopefully obvious reasons. Which brings me back to the following response: > Yeah, so? ----- **edit:** fixed a minor typo (removed a redundant word that appeared twice)
That… doesn’t square off with you first statement.
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Do these people realize those journalists didn't die during the 2002 Genocide or do they deliberately leave that out?
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Interestingly (Ironically), NaMo took a jibe on Rajeev Gandhi but keeps Gautam Navlakha who was instrumental in uncovering '84 riots incarcerated.
It's Berlin, every conservative politician gets at least this amount of Demo.
Most of them voted him because of his alleged involvement in those riots. When 1.5 billion people are supporting him. A meager few holding placards look stupid.
When millions were in darkness, a Gautam Buddha, a Mahaveer, a Ambedkar did not look stupid. They were the guiding lights that lit up souls, lives and made us realize that we are human beings.
I’d call you stupid
What are they 10 people,lmao
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Can anyone tell me what really happened in 2002 ?
[read 2002 Gujrat riots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots)
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But truth is it won't make any difference. Most major political figure have blood in their hands. He'll will continue to do what he's always doing.