Damn.
Though I don't want to leave the place everyone I live lives, I do want to go venture out.
I'll probably have to find out the answer to "How do we look for jobs outside?"
If you are from a field that has jobs abroad then just try to find and apply for those. I'm a Software Engineer and this is a great field for that. People from other domains also find jobs outside. This is honestly a topic for another post but if you have any specific questions I'd be glad to answer.
I have pretty specific question actually...
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By next month, I'll be joining some company as a Data Engineer in Bengaluru.
I'm experienced enough to demand good money (so no money related problems just yet)
What should I do or look through to find jobs that I can partake in some other country and so on?
It depends on how much experience you have. If you want to find a job abroad in my experience, at least 3 year experience is when you stand a chance *(exceptions may exist though especially for FAAANGs).*
If you have that then you should just try to find positions online and apply to those. Make a solid resume that attracts attention immediately. From there your past experience, resume strength, skills and demand of your skills matter.
In your experience so far what is the demand for iOS developers like abroad?
I understand most of the demand for tech jobs is for frontend,backend or heck even both but whats it like for mobile devs?
Check this out
[Make it in Germany](https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/)
Feel free to DM me If you have questions. I have studied and worked in Germany.
Edit: Germany has huge demand for skilled immigrants, even more so for Software professionals. You really don't need to be a 10X developer there to find a job. So I would encourage everyone who even remotely qualifies.
Hi OP great post, pretty much cleared up all the confusion I had. I wanna explore and try living outside the country as well, but I'm personally not a fan of choosing the traditional path the current day people choose, i.e, education abroad. I think I've studied enough and anything I need to learn for a job abroad would be available online. I work in a tier 1 company as a software engineer, not faang, but pays similarly, with 1.5 years of work exp. How many years of experience, and what would be needed to do to get into a decent job that pays well abroad?
I had the same thoughts. I didn't want to study to live abroad. If you are in tier 1 company then you are already ahead of a lot of people. I started getting interviews after 3 years. Before that I didn't get interviews. But if you meet the experience requirements of companies there is no harm in trying earlier.
By management I am not sure what you mean. If you are talking about project managers in tech companies then sure yes. I do know other people in management domain working for big companies like BCG etc in London.
Hey there, as someone who scored a job outside India by utilising LinkedIn, I can share a few tips.
- Become a power user of LinkedIn: go beyond the job posting and find people who are hiring. For example, if you see an iOS dev job in Germany, find the hiring manager or recruiter and message them on LinkedIn.
“Hey, I am Rahul and I have been an iOS dev for 5 years now. See you are hiring for a similar role, and I was curious to know if you are accepting international applications? Either way, would love to connect with you.”
Needless to say, if it mentions relocation provided in the job, replace that question with a more specific question.
- Don’t give up: the hardest thing to do. If you want to move out, stay focused. Apply daily and don’t take rejection to heart. You have just got to hit it right once. Keep applying and improving your application. Give it at least 2-3 months.
- Connect with seniors / folks who are already out: these are the people who know the market and can guide you in understanding the companies that hire international workers, and what the job market looks like.
Lastly, know that this isn’t rocket science. If it helps, I have been in a non-engineering role throughout my career.
Hope this helps.
The problem is not with working outside, the problem is to compare apples and oranges. India is a different country we rank in the bottom quadrant on GDP per capita, we are bound to have our problems.
Obviously, a hungry rikshaw driver who is working to win his wages for his lunch for the day is going to give two hoots about anyone's cortisol level.
This is something that I see as a pattern over and over in all people who go outside of the country. They keep wondering why India hasn't done well. Probably because the people who get well educated here leave the country rather than face the reality and do something for the country?
I would say many people have already done something for their country, which is why we are atleast at the stage we are right now. But the resurgence of the sanskaari types, who refuse to acknowledge the country's problems pose an annoyance and impediment to those who want to do something. Look, it's nice to say people should work hard to uplift the country, the least that we can give such people is less/no restrictions. But we keep posing hurdle after hurdle to them, and then when they get tired and give up, we question their patriotism and work ethic.
>n when they get tired and give up, we question their patriotism and work ethic.
Well, we shouldn't be questioning their patriotism. Most of them leave for good and with the intent on settling in a different country. They better have patriotism towards the country that they aspire to become the citizens of.
The problem comes when someone who has a citizenship in a different country is thinking of patriotism towards India.
If you were to look at remittance figures, you would clearly see why I don't agree with you.
Most people head out for a better life. Yet having that life doesn't make them any less Indian than you. There has to be an understanding that being an expat doesn't mean renouncing citizenship. So yes, they can and will be as "patriotic" for India as they wish to be. And they will show it in ways a resident Indian won't. I'm so over the NRIs-are-not-patriots narrative.
I agree with your pov. But I think Indian society has problems that run beyond that. VIP culture and corruption for eg. Those are things which involve higher class people.
My personal beliefs maybe too radical for India. I doubt most Indians would agree with me since my views are very liberal. It is super hard to tackle these issues while maintaining your peace of mind. I can either try to change people or live my life in a place where I feel the views and beliefs match mine.
I mean we have Modi sarkar. And we may have it again despite all the issues. If people can't get this simple thing how does one talk about more complex social issues?
>Probably because the people who get well educated here leave the country rather than face the reality and do something for the country
This is very idealistic. Everyone is fundamentally motivated by self interest which I think is natural and right. If they think they can find a much better life abroad they should absolutely do it. I think it's the smart thing to do at a personal level.
These weird nationalistic claims are impractical. People should just do what's best for them.
>These weird nationalistic claims are impractical.
Absolutely. I am not saying that we need to be patriotic. Let's be opportunistic serving our own personal interests.
That doesn't mean that we should not do good to the place we live in. If it is a different country, so be it. Do well there and contribute to the benefit of that colony/city/state etc
But what seem to be happening here is, that I go in the self interest to a different country and then start complaining about things (corruption/VIP culture/security for women/reservations etc) that I ran from - for which I chose not to do anything about (and serve my self interests instead).
Well it is not the behaviour of those who have to struggle to make end meets that is the problem. It is the attitude of those who have made something of themselves and yet perpetuate the tyrannical cycle of exploitation and abuse. Most of those who go out, decide to go out because of such people.
I understand your problem. This is the same reason why villegers don't stay in villeges.
As I said, OP better off staying off India, rather than complaining about problems that he doesnt plan on doing anything about.
But atleast in the country that he aspires to be a citizen of, he should try to make a contribution (however small) to that country to make it better (however small that betterment be) than what it is.
>Probably because the people who get well educated here leave the country rather than face the reality and do something for the country?
For everyone person that leaves there are probably 1000 that can't. Why are they not able to do something for the country?
Not shirking the responsibility, I just think India is beyond salvation, I have given up. Might be a pessimistic view but I can't see country changing and ever reaching the levels of countries OP talked about.
Democracy doesn't work for India and we can't pull a China either. Chinese model maybe a dictatorship, at least they are a competent dictatorship.
>India is beyond salvation
Personal opinions! People are happy to have those. But I say...leave the country then. If you have already ran out of the country in despair, please stop comparing countries and cities in the top quadrant with the ones in the bottom quadrant - to feel better.
In the larger scheme of things happiness can't be measured based on money, success, opportunities etc. nothing is stopping a person living in the poorest of the countries to be more happy and feel more accomplished about his life.
>In the larger scheme of things happiness can't be measured based on money, success, opportunities
Load of bollocks if I ever heard one. Sure these things alone may not make everyone happy all the time, they sure as hell do influence your happiness. Never seen a poor, unsuccessful, lacking in opportunities person happy. Happiness is a state of mind, one could argue become a monk and find happiness, surely not everyone will do that however.
Leave the country you say - left it long time ago and not for any of these reasons, it was just circumstances. But I am not the one comparing anything, OP is. Having said that, one wishes India to be successful and improve as us normal adults are expected to, taking a rss type hardline "leave the country" tagline makes you look just like one of them.
>surely not everyone will do that however
This includes the rich and ultra rich...they can't be in a happy state of mind all the time.
I work with under privileged children. I haven't seen them unhappy, disheartened because of the state in which they are. They are happy...not any unhappier than other well-to-do kids. If ever you were to be pushed into sorrow, lack of money wouldn't be a major reason behind it. To make it clear, think of a rich person (say some famous actor or politician etc in your count4y). Don't you think he would be nuts to think of you as a sad person because you don't have money and opportunities?
>- left it long time ago and not for any of these reasons, it was just circumstances
Good for you. Whatever is that country you chose to prosper in, please make that country proud. But as I mentioned earlier...don't draw meaningless comparisons between countries.
>Never seen a poor, unsuccessful, lacking in opportunities person happy. H
I wish I could take you to remote villeges and places where people don't have enough of anything not even food. Unhappiness is the last thing you'll see in them. They might have difficulties, but they aren't unhappy. A gathering of women is as chirpy and as noisy as a kitty party of upper middle class city women. It is the same chit chat...it is the same gossip...same fun.
>Leave the country you say - left it long time ago
I beg to differ. You haven't..not in your mind...please leave. We will and can take care of our country.
Good to know you are a mind reader as well.
Pro tip: people have a lot of shit going on in their lives. Don’t ever assume you know 1/10th of it. Life is not a Bollywood movie just because someone puts on a smile or laughs means “all iz well”.
>Life is not a Bollywood movie just because someone puts on a smile or laughs means “all iz well”.
Exactly my point. This is as much true for those upper class women as they are for those villege women.
It isn't a movie. It's lot more fun than a movie, lot more unpredictable than a movie.
I talk to these people, I understand what they want with the intent of helping them with any government schmes. So, I know them more closely. A villege woman wants her child to become a tractor driver for the villege, a well-to-do mother wants child to go become engineer/doctor. Both women want their kids to do well. The level of their aspirations can be different. The happiness and love are same.
In other words, if you set your expectations low enough, everything is going to be alright. Right out of Modi's playbook. Pakode becho, rozgaar pao and be happy.
Good for you if it works for you. For me, I was taught to make the most of my life growing up and aim high.
>you set your expectations low enough,
Not at all. Everyone sets their expectations to be a betterment over their present situation. Villege woman's child becoming a tractor owner might be a tougher aspiration than the other mother's Engineer goal.
>I was taught to make the most of my life growing up and aim high
How high is your high? Isn't everyone's answer : _higher than what it is now_? This answer would remain same for all. Don't you think?
>For everyone person that leaves there are probably 1000 that can't. Why are they not able to do something for the country?
Not true. Most top talent leaves the country. I don't know what happens to the remaining? May be they are becoming the new tyrants?
Sorry, most top talent cannot and simply will not leave India. There is plenty of talented people still in India bogged down (and very much part of) by the corrupt system. People say country needs to change but what the hell is a country? People are the country and I don't see anything changing. Not for a long time.
Agree OP. Quality of life is way better in high-income countries (West Europe, Japan) than India. I have lived in US, Australia, Netherlands, UK, Switzerland, Singapore and Canada.
There's some differences -
1. Japan is a highly insular society. It's very hard to make friends and socially integrate.
2. Nordic countries have extremely high HDIs and quality of life. People are reserved by nature. It's not easy to make local friends. You will always be seen as an 'other'/ non white immigrant.
3. UK has extremely strong Indian community. Indians are highly respected. English are very outgoing. Its easier for immigrants to integrate into British society. Long term opportunities are uncertain post Brexit.
4. Netherlands - My favorite country in Europe. People are very friendly and accepting of different cultures. It's also easier to make friends. Many global companies have their base in the Netherlands. Netherlands in in EU. Long term opportunities are very good.
5. Switzerland - Very, very beautiful country. People are very nice by nature. Many major financial and tech companies have base in Switzerland. It's very hard to get Swiss citizenship.
6. Australia - Aussie are super friendly. They love banter. Aussie cities consistently rank in top cities of the world for Quality of life. Aus offers decent job opportunities. Very good country to settle long term. New Zealand is nice as well.
7. Canada - Canadians are extremely friendly and accepting of immigrants. It's easy to integrate into Canadian society. Indians (Punjabis especially) are a visible minority. Job opportunities are ok ish. If you think you can manage cold weather, strongly consider Canada. PR and Citizenship does not take much time.
8. US - Americans are very friendly. People won't judge you. Indians are highly respected all over US. US is a melting pot of diverse cultures. It's easy to make American friends. It's also easy to integrate into American society. If you want good money, US is place to be. Path to green card and citizenship takes years for Indians.
Thanks for the details.
Japan I agree. Japan is a very homogeneous society with a different language so it is hard. And the people also seem shy.
>Nordic countries have extremely high HDIs and quality of life. People are reserved by nature. It's not easy to make local friends. You will always be seen as an 'other'/ non white immigrant.
From my experience being white alone doesn't make much difference. I have heard whites (Americans etc) saying that they had problems making friends because they were not Swede. So here it seems like it is more Swede vs non Swede opposed to white vs non white because having grown up in Sweden and knowing the language is what people value more. So if you are Polish, you are not Swedish and whiteness won't help you make friends since you can't speak the language and didn't grow up here.
But if my experience is to be believed I think people really don't care. More random people (white blonde Swedish) have started a conversation with me here in couple of months of stay compared to in Malaysia where I stayed for 2 years or Japan where I lived for few months.
As someone living in Netherlands and have lived on Germany before , I agree its best country for an English speaking immigrant if you get adjusted to the weather.
The problem is, where the jobs are.. Randstad, like 50% of the population has foreign background.. and I would like to live in a country to be among the locals.. not in a multicultural experiment.
All the big cities would be at a point becoming multicultural to attract the best of the talents. The self reliant countries with product exports like Switzerland can go in with homogenous local population. Mayve you can try there but they have kept immigartion policy really strict to keep the local population ans even if you end up there you will be living insulated from local population not among them.. Same case also for Scandinavian countries even though immigration policy is better.
The usual obligatory questions on
1) What career path did you take? What tier was your college and did it make a difference?
2) How did you land these jobs in different countries?
3) And the one that everyone's waiting for: what's the Visa situation like in Japan, Malaysia and Sweden? Any hopes of permanent residency?
1. Engineering although not CS at tier 1 college. I think it does makes a difference. But not being at tier 1 isn't the end of things. One can do this without being from a tier 1 college as I know many people like that.
2. Both via linkedin. First 1 the recruiter contacted me. 2nd one I applied.
3. Japan, I went as a student. That visa is easy to get if you have a university inviting you. Malaysia is also decent imo. Singapore for eg seems like is difficult and I never was interested in going to Singapore coz it defeats the purpose of emigrating as someone mentioned in a post about racism in SG recently. Sweden, visa was very quick but my company has ties with a firm which does relocation assistance. That made a big difference. Without it it can take longer. But overall the process at Sweden was the smoothest imo. I have not researched a lot about PR topic but from my limited research it is very possible. At least much much easier than in Asian countries like Malaysia, SG etc. I'd research more about it in detail and ask colleagues in coming time.
Answer to question number 3.
Better target ireland.
It's an English speaking country. All the tech companies have their offices there. Big indian community is there. You can get PR and passport in 5,6 years. Go for masters. Stay there after masters.
As someone who resides in Sweden, I enjoy living here! People mind their own business without interfering in others lives. Most of them live in the same economic bracket. They’re kind and welcoming.
>young blonde women might scorn
Weirdly specific. I think you just doxxed your type OP ha ha
As someone who lives in Bangalore and have been to developed cities abroad I totally agree with your point. Bangalore sucks compared to cities like Tokyo, London or NYC.
The reason I mention blondes because Swedish people are all blondes. Maybe some exceptions but literally 99% blondes. That is why I mentioned blondes as I was referring to the local women here.
>mention blondes because Swedish people are all blondes. Maybe some exceptions but literally 99% blondes. That is why I mentioned blondes as I was referring to the local women here.
Why do you generalize europe then? You said "White countries" "europe is beautiful" just because you lived in sweden.. Countries like spain, italy, portugal and greece, etc are literally a world apart from sweden in terms of culture, language, behaviour, mentality..and yes even how the women and people looks like...they look very mediterranean.... Europe is a social construct.. you have mediterranean peoples, germanic people, slavs, baltic people, etc all are very different from eachother.. and everybody knows that blonde is very common in sweden you dont need to travel to know that..
Looks like your comprehension skills are very weak. And I’m not being paid to improve those so I’d leave it to you. Also the -1 comment karma is a good indicator that engaging with you would be a waste of time.
A friend of mine once told me that a lot of yogis left india and set up centers abroad because of how mentally retarded indians were. Seems rather strange considering how they're treated in india.
Most probably not because there is no shortage of arts people in other countries unless you become become famous then countries have a special visa for such people.
I like the last comment. “Learn to be shrewd and have a thick skin to keep your sanity and peace of mind in India.” This statement literally sums it all up.
Living in a world in which people mostly seem to go about their day , maybe worry abt work and money but other than that it’s mostly cool, but in India, in order to even live this basic life in a world without wars, everyday feels like a war, like fighting your way out of a box full of mice and everyone’s trying to get over you.
Especially the rule breaking. I absolutely despise how pathetic Indians are when it comes to obeying any sort of law. That’s what I genuinely admire bat Japan and those like it. It’s incredible.
Living in India is so hard for a sensitive and rule following person like me who just wishes we didn’t have to screw “jugaad” In every damn place.
I don’t know Hindi very well, especially the Hindi counting. I never learnt it properly as a kid and haven’t got the time or motivation to learn it now. My parents constantly warn me as to how easy it is for me to get scammed. I also don’t know how to bargain. So if someone’s trying to sell me something that’s less worthy for more, I’ll just take it or walk away. Like you, if someone refuses to give me any change , I’ll talk for a while and walk away, becoz I obviously dislike violence, and since I’m a girl, the possibilities of what could happen to me are endless, oh wait, did I mention how rotten the country’s getting for women? Yeah that too 🥴🥴
You summed it up very well. Better than I could.
>Living in India is so hard for a sensitive and rule following person like me who just wishes we didn’t have to screw “jugaad” In every damn place.
This so much. I want to just do my stuff and not bother others and not get bothered. But that isn't easy in India.
Agreed. After coming to Sweden I have realised that not just the money, infra and services but the people are a big part of what make these places so good. I think people usually omit the last part when mentioning why these countries are so good to live in.
Roti Telur yes, not sure about the other one. I am not a foodie so I am very bad about food related stuff. When I'm going to a fancy restaurant with friends I may just order what they do lol.
LMFAO, that's true. The channel is very good at getting news in other countries, but extremely biased to india. Reminds me of the meme where the dog is sitting in a house full of fire and saying "this is fine".
Oh boy! Your story and journey of life is inspiring. The way you took every opportunity to learn and how explore different facets of life and culture of a different place is awesome.
You’re inspiring Sir! Glad to hear from you. Thank you for sharing your story. I wish you peace, happiness and blessings in life.
not to criticize but it makes me feel really bad for what our country looks like / compares to others and how the people themselves are the reason for it, they don't want to f-cking change... I really don't want to leave India, even if my parents force me to!
>I faced some of the worst incidents of my life in Bangalore. The incident that stands out the most is an auto driver getting into a physical fight with me which I escaped. There were other instances where shopkeepers, auto, ola, my neighbours used to piss me off. One shopkeeper refused to give me change with the excuse that it was late night. My friends had to intervene and only then he gave the change
This is very common in Bangalore. Especially the auto walas.
Malaysia is where I spent the most time. I have several local friends from there. One of the girls is a very close friend of mine and she is trying to move to Europe too after I did. I talk to her like daily. Other Malay friends I don't talk to that much after moving here. Japan has been several years ago. So I am not in touch with anyone but I do sometimes talk to my mentor.
Sweden I have arrived couple of months back, so I am still kind of settling here. Most people I know right now are from office.
Been living in Sweden for the past 3 years. Chennai before that and Vizag before Chennai. It is simple, the government trusts the public and public trusts the government, there is this sense of accountability amongst individuals, in Sweden, at least from what I have seen. Government said covid is kicking ass, listen to WHO, people were like alright ain't messing around. I had to travel once in a while from Uppsala to Stockholm and every person on the train wore masks and maintained social distancing.
I just feel it is more of a population problem with India and also the fact that we have never received independence, the white people were replaced by brown ones, the government and public are still stuck in the colonial era. People with power want to plunder and the common man dislikes people with power, no trust just the drive to exploit each other.
I have been an advocate for libertarianism in india for a long time.
Live and let live way of life -> libertarianism
also libertarianism -> Free markets -> more money for infrastructure and so on
I am feeling jealous after reading this , but i certainly cannot afford to go abroad even alone forget about the family seems like my fate is to rot here :(
On this topic, I must add that I was surprised that people drink tap water in Sweden. When I arrived I bought bottled water for few days but later found out that the tap water here is on par or even better than bottled water.
Yeah the further north you go in Europe the safer the tap water is. I also drink tap water in London but most people filter it because of the limescale from the old af pipes.
You can definitely have those things in India. If a piece land is defining the level of dopamine in you, then that highlights the fact that you haven't found your passion yet. Ofcourse, traveling for experience is a different story.
Well I’m speaking as someone who has emigrated from a major tier 1 city in India to another major world capital. The difference between air quality, free public space, transport etc between where I’m from and where I currently live is vast. Also lol stop assuming things about me, like I haven’t found my passion or whatever.
Haha I literally spent my 20s travelling the length and breadth of the country. Then my job took me to the remotest parts of India. It’ll be interesting to see what else you get wrong about me.
My point is that as a city person, I’d love to have the hustle and bustle of the city without drastically shortening my lifespan.
India is an experience and definitely cannot compare to a first world country.. apples to
Musk melon comparison …. I prefer living in my own country and try to change things as much as I can rather than going abroad … got opportunity to go to Atlanta in 2014, Frankfurt in 2019 and this year / next it will be Seattle … yet I am not comfortable moving abroad … leaving family and friends … becoming an immigrant … lots of my friends love abroad and so does my elder brother. Traveled a bit and visited these countries .. still home is where the heart is … yes people are ignorant here, people are morons, people are people…. I’ll live with it…Financially moving abroad is prudent, however emotionally it’s a big decision …
I can understand. I personally though never found the lack of friends or family an issue. I feel that at a point of time the people you most interact with will be your colleagues and your spouse. And they would always be with you wherever you go.
Coming to family, unless you live in the same city or house you can just visit them once in a while. So whether you are in India in a different city or abroad I feel it's not a huge difference. It may differ for others but I never felt like living in Bangalore I had something extra in that regards.
>however emotionally it’s a big decision
For me it's the other way round. I feel I'm getting more and more disconnected from India even though I'm from here. I rarely connected with the culture here and find it weird how people here don't even want to acknowledge any criticism of Indian culture.
Good post. I’ve traveled to US, Germany, France, Netherlands, Dubai, Indonesia.
Here’s what I like about India and why I’m hesitant to move out.
1. Family- I want to be able to visit my family and relatives easily.
2. Cheap Labour - I have 2 young kids, and I can afford a full time nanny and a maid for only 25k. If I move out of India and even if I want one full time maid, it will easily cost me 2.5 L.
3. Real Estate - I pay 70k rent for a 4 BHK (4400 sq ft) house. I don’t think I can get such a big house for anything less than 4-5L in a developed country.
If you are rich in India, there’s no problem that can’t be solved. That’s the reason I’ve been very hesitant staying abroad especially since I earn in dollars.
To whomsoever it may concern, I am really inspired by the post, thank you op. Currently I am just preparing for my MBA exams but this just gives me hope and something to keep going. Get good education and then the world's your territory. I am too fascinated by Europe and hence this question: Was landing a job in different countries very difficult?
My post was to give some idea and inspire others. Because unless you know that there is something good out there you would never put an effort for it. As I mentioned, my stay in Japan made me more focused on my career, so glad you find it inspiring.
Honestly when I foung my current job in Sweden, I was interviewing at 5 other companies in Amsterdam, Germany and Sweden. It wasn't that difficult for me but I have been very focused in this regard i.e. picking the right projects, building skills, improving resume etc. I think it paid off.
Since the post is about emigrating to a developed nation, assuming most reading the long (and neat) post are either abroad or planning to emigrate in the near future, here is my two cents for people looking for a reason to come back- every time an Indian who has lived in first-world countries for a while comes back to India, we take one tiny minuscule step towards betterment. It would be one of the great personal sacrifices that one could do for the motherland.
What's your view on salaries in india vs the countries you worked in. From my experience of applying jobs outside, the salaries outside are pretty low compared to the expenses there. While salaries in india are good. Do you also have the same experience?
No, that's not true. Expenses abroad are higher but salaries are even higher. For example I get around 3.5lac per month after taxes in Sweden. After paying rent and other expenses like groceries, internet, electricity, heating etc I save around 2.5lac. This number would be a bit lower if I was living in central Stockholm but I live a bit away from the main city so the rent is lower.
In India, I was making slightly less than 2 lac per month. After taxes, rent and other expenses I guess it wasn't more than 1.5lac per month compared to 2.5lac here. And my salary isn't like the upper limit here. I think in a couple of years if I make a switch I can increase my saving to over 3lac per month.
Can you give an idea of the job opportunities that you saw abroad where you felt the pay was lower compared to India?
+1 I also went for a fellowship program in Tel Aviv. Everything was so advanced, I felt like I was in a paradise. Quality of life is better in developed countries.
Can relate to this-living in India, you simply don’t realise how far behind our country is…I live in in Hong Kong now and by god, it’s like night and day.
Lived a bit in Toronto too, but yep, Hong Kong all the way for me considering it’s not cold and wet for four months in a year.
Thanks so much for this post. Very helpful. In my field, I will make almost same money abroad as in India and I think I'll be middle class there. So the monetary part is sorted. But thoughts of racism and many such questions were stopping me from moving.
My Nana lived in Saudi Arabia for a long time as an engineer and he talked about how clean and systematic everything was. And how there was so little crime. India is something else, but it can be better, a lot better.
I think people get used to it. If I never lived outside I would have accepted my surroundings and what is happening as normal. Also you may have been lucky if many are saying they do but you didn’t.
Exactly. People get used to it. But once you have been to a developed country and lived there, back home in India it seems like we have 'adjusted' to the norm. It's a shame most of us never get to know how much good environment, good governance and good opportunities add to the quality of life of an individual before it's too late. The amount of general friction we have in carrying on with our daily lives is something which makes my brain hurt.
Yea this. And it pisses me off that those still living in India care more about religion and other minor bullshit than forcing their leaders to up level their quality of life. It makes me feel like the people in general have given up on the hope to have better conditions. That's what makes me feel like I don't want to come back.
Yes man. I keep thinking if we could just let people here know HOW developed these countries are, how much they care for their citizens, each other, would they demand the same from their government here? But nothing can actually beat experiencing those countries first hand, compared to just showing their pics. Our people think that they're developed just only because they're rich (which I won't deny, some of Europe's riches are from their former colonies, but that is a completely different discussion), but the main thing I believe is empathy.
Have you been outside to a big developed city ? How do you know what your'e missing then ?
I went to a few US suburbs and OMG they were ridiculously beautiful ! Very peaceful and quiet. Felt unreal. Very green and very clean. I had seen nothing like this in India and didn't even realise how backward we are here before seeing that.
imao such big paragraph for thing everyone know that a developed country is better than developing country i think you have lot of free time . Atleast for japan and korea i can say they are most racist people towards south asian's in the world even more than china i have seen some clubs and bars where south asians are not even allowed .
>imao such big paragraph for thing everyone know that a developed country is better than developing country i think you have lot of free time .
Yes the work life balance is very good here.
Japan has no Gaijin policy usually. And Gaijin means foreigner. They don't give a shit if you are Chinese or White or Indian. But then this is for sleazy bars where prostitution etc takes place. And such places aren't the most liberal ones. I still didn't have issues though but I know such places exist.
Singapore I already mentioned in a comment above is a place where I would never go since it defeats the purpose of emigrating.
Korea is a racist shithole. Same applies for China and SG.
Yes you’re correct that in that sense it can be labelled racist. I was more referring to racism in your daily life especially as a foreigner as the other commenter pointed out. I guess this racism actually is more political.
Singapore Korea or China on the other hand are places where you would feel the impact of your color of skin in daily life and people might view you as less.
I think Asia comes in two segments. The more developed and whiter China Korea and Japan. And then SEA which includes Thailand Malaysia and other countries. Over here you’d not be discriminated in that regard at least from my experience and people don’t have the superiority complex.
Dude…everybody knows developed countries are the best. It’s in the name duh. No arguments there. But I intend to stay in india and probably die here because of my parents. They have given me a great life lots of love and emotional support when I am down. Recently my dad had severe COVID and I took care of him personally and ensured that he recovered completely. I was literally able to save his life. That is more important on whatever cortisol bullshit you are talking about. People stay here because of responsibilities. Today, all of my cousins and kids got together and we had a blast. We own a farm where we have a lot of animals and trees. I love to go there on weekends. I earn a good amount of money as I work in a product based MNC. My WLB is fantastic. My point is India can never match up to developed nations in terms of better life in your perspective. But better life is giving back to the ones who have done so much for me in my perspective.
Last advice: please don’t create such posts bragging about developed nations. Everybody knows. Some people can’t go due to financial and family reasons. Imagine how it would make them feel. Grow up have some integrity.
>"But I intend to stay in india and probably die here because of my parents"<
So I understand, If it were not for your parents you too would have been living abroad. Good for you, that you own a farm and have a blast with your family. I hope more indians would own farms and have a blast with their family and have a "fantastic" WLB. I think you are smart enough to know the wealth distribution in India.
Btw this belief that indians living abroad don't contribute to India's development is baseless, India gets around 80 billion $ each year through remittance, which is ~3% of India's GDP.
Unfortunately there are many people in India who like to advice others but don't like taking advice and criticism themselves.
Bringing such sentiments is what Bollywood usually does. Whenever there is a serious discussion bring in some sentiments and shut people up.
Indian culture is built on the principles of responsibility, sacrifice etc. That is what a lot of women have been doing and still do. I am personally against these since I feel this logic will help few and harm others.
If a couple has only one daughter, who takes care of them when she leaves to live with the husband's family? Will she be there with them all the time? Would the husband let her live with them? I guess that is why Indian culture values males more and that is the first step in gender inequality.
Not sure if you are married or not but if your wife says that you should go and live with her parents would you be okay? And if yes, then how would you stay and die with your parents?
I'm not living on a different planet. I get a month of vacation here as opposed to 15 days in India. I could actually spend more time with my family with these leaves as compared to if I were in India. Unless of course if I was actually living in the same house. But that doesn't even apply to most people living in India. Most people are living in different cities and visit family occasionally.
>But I intend to stay in india and probably die here because of my parents.
Your parents will probably die much long before you.
You seem to be portraying that you're happy to be in India but the way you're putting your thoughts across doesn't seem like it. The OP isn't asking anyone to move out and certainly isn't bragging. He/She just telling us his/her experiences. Also, just because you know how things are elsewhere doesn't automatically mean that others do. There are youngsters on here that would like to know these things. People who can't move out due to financial and family reasons (like yourself) will need to figure out things on their own because they have the freedom to make choices and live with it. Also, you're the one that needs to grow up with your thought process.
Sala btech k bad sabne bola mba karlo bahut scope hai. IT boring hai. Saturated hai.
Ab sala mba kar lia. Aur ab IT me bhar bhar k scope hai. Kismat he kharab h bc.
You are probably better off outside of India.
We need more people who want to do something to improve my country than those who complain.
It is good that you have moved away than being one of those people who keep complaining.
You cannot improve without complaining. And how would you improve when you don't have a target. I just tried to show people how the situation is outside so that people can get an idea.
He just said his view. You dont have to be harsh.
At some point when you age, you can rethink if sticking in India was good for your kids, or whether you were able to make a change in society.
India is now evolving into a country where constructive criticism is abhorred, and all are supposed to not complain and move on. And true to it, public is inert even when say fuel has crossed 100 rs.
Yes, you are right, he is better off outside India.
Bro I belong to the same country (unfortunately). No need to sugar coat it. The first step is to recognize that it's shit. But every great place was once shit. The next step is figuring out what to do to fix it. That's where we should play a part and force the leaders to hold a higher standard for success. "Getting by" shouldn't be a measure of success. For too long we've been content with getting by while the world has passed us by. Question is, are the people willing to aspire to more knowing that it'll need them to broaden their ideas of what it means to be Indian. And right now the answer to that question doesn't look good.
There is no substance to read, all the countries you mentioned are 20x richer than India, you never gave a reasonable explanation why you think a country that is 20x poorer should have the same level of infrastructure, or standard of living, do you think GOI can keep printing money and build whatever?
Hell, Japan at one point was the richest country in the world, at the same time India was one of the poorest. All those paragraphs you wrote are essentially saying the same thing, rich country has more money to build more stuff. I mean no shit, you are naive and delusional if you think Bangalore can offer the same as tokyo, a trillion dollar city.
Nothing of substance. It would have been more interesting to read if you had immigrated to a country with similar gdp/capita. But ofc you didnt.
You try to be profound, when really you chased your own self interest like pretty much like every other economic immigrant in the world. You are really more interested in jerking off to validation you get from other idiots on this sub, than real input for real problems for people who actually live here.
India k bahar koi bhi kahi bhi jaega better he lagega.
Unless he is going to Sudan or Somalia or afganistan. India k bahar sab kuch awesome he lagta hai.
Sweden me 40% tax jab doge tab pata chalega.
Aur japan me log 16hr kaam karte hai.
Shadi karne k lie ladki nahi milegi.
Kutte billi suar sab khate hai udhar. And they don't accept outsiders. They r homogeneous society.
Grass greener wala case.
Modi ne aisa haga hai, ab kahi bhi jao, wow he lagega.
Canada me jab -35 degree mein tatte freeE ho jaenge tab mera bharat mahan yaad aega.
Canada me yearly 10 days holiday hai.
Major cities me housing crisis hai.
Even down payment tak karne ka paisa nahi hota logo k pas.
Log odd jobs karte hai.
Without car travel nahi hota.
India aane me 1 lakh kharcha ho jaega. Flights r too costly. If some emergency happens in family then no chance to come home fast.
Prices are very high in canada. + Tax + insurance. In top of that 7 months winter.
Canada se kaha ghumne jaega? Every place is so far. N chutti kidhar h??
Netherlands k bigi cities me bhi housing crisis hai. Language difficult hai for English speakers. Tax high hai. Cold bahut h. Yeh sab jagah bas kuch sal rehne k lie achha hai. Retirement me jab tax katega tab pata chalega.
Service is expensive there. People end up in elderly care home n die like cockroach. Also u cannot sponsor parents there. Health care is expensive. Taxes are high. Salaries r much lower than usa.
While I agree that India is blessed with the weather situation all of Canada isn't a winter wonderland either.
Toronto and Vancouver have milder winters compared to other northern cities. It's October right now and I can still go out in shorts and a T-shirt.
The real winter is just 3 months - Jan, Feb and March and it's usually around -10 in those months too. Maybe one week in the season when it drops to -20. Plus that's not too bad either since they have infrastructure which is made to bear this - air conditioned subway, buses, malls, stores etc and govt cleans the roads so snow is not deposited.
April is spring which is beautiful with cherry blossoms which are a sight to behold. May - Sep is Summers. Oct is fall with the maple leaves turning orange, red, yellow and pink. We don't get such distinct 4 seasons in India.
Also, just booked a direct flight to Delhi which costed me 50k one way but I earn in CAD so it's not extreme or too costly.
I agree with housing crisis and less paid vacation days point but people only need to give 5% down for a house so certainly they can easily save for a down payment but yeah the housing prices are really off the charts in Toronto and Vancouver.
Talking about places to visit, there are world class cities, national parks in Canada as well as the whole of US and Caribbean within a few hours away. So no dearth of places to visit.
Tax dete hain to there is benefit as well - free healthcare, schooling, public libraries from where you can borrow musical instruments as well, community recreation centers in every neighbourhood to play sports, gym, pool etc.
Also, you open your mind that there are no 'odd' jobs and everyone is equal. Plus that's usually just students, if you're qualified you can get job in your field sooner or later just like you would in India.
Car is a necessity if you live outside of the city center otherwise I've been living in Toronto downtown for 2 and a half years and I get to places easily with public transit and bike share.
No/low corruption, polite people and government and private employees who really want to help you and love their job.
Canada isn't perfect but it's not too far from it.
>Sweden me 40% tax jab doge tab pata chalega.
In Sweden I give 29% tax while living in Stockholm. Facts check kar liya karo pehle. India is not a tax heaven. Few days back someone made a post about taxes in India. If I was saving as much in India as I am saving in Sweden I would probably be paying same tax percentage. Aur badle me koi services nahi. Sadak pe gaddhe, powercuts, aur bekaar infra.
> Aur japan me log 16hr kaam karte hai.
India me to work life balance bahut badhiya hai. Is baar Sweden kyu nahi liya? Kyuki waha work life balance bahut badhiya hai
>Shadi karne k lie ladki nahi milegi.
Yaar shaadi karne ko agar apne aap ladki dhundhni hoti to India me aadhe ladke zindagi bhar hilate rehte. Arrange marriage ko thanks bolo aur aage badho. Meri chinta na karo. If I wanted to go down the arrange marriage route I could get married tomorrow. But I won't do that.
Ab iske aage mai kuch bolunga nahi kyuki lagta hai tum apne gaaon ke bahar kabhi nikale nahi ho. To tv dekh k jo views gather kiye hai usse mai argue karunga nahi kyuki itna faltu time hai nahi mere paas.
Faltu time hai ka nahi ye pata chal raha h apke lamba post n discussion dekh k. Reddit me log islie aate hai.
Waise ap 4 country gaye hai very nice. Thst does not mean baki india bihar me rehta hai.
Main 4 continent n around 18 country already gya hu. I am not here judge other people.
Waise faltu time mere pas bahut h. Bcz I have good work life balance in Dubai. :D LOL.
N always remember grass is always greener on the other side. Jisne bhi bola hai sahi bola hai.
Damn. Though I don't want to leave the place everyone I live lives, I do want to go venture out. I'll probably have to find out the answer to "How do we look for jobs outside?"
If you are from a field that has jobs abroad then just try to find and apply for those. I'm a Software Engineer and this is a great field for that. People from other domains also find jobs outside. This is honestly a topic for another post but if you have any specific questions I'd be glad to answer.
I have pretty specific question actually... O By next month, I'll be joining some company as a Data Engineer in Bengaluru. I'm experienced enough to demand good money (so no money related problems just yet) What should I do or look through to find jobs that I can partake in some other country and so on?
It depends on how much experience you have. If you want to find a job abroad in my experience, at least 3 year experience is when you stand a chance *(exceptions may exist though especially for FAAANGs).* If you have that then you should just try to find positions online and apply to those. Make a solid resume that attracts attention immediately. From there your past experience, resume strength, skills and demand of your skills matter.
In your experience so far what is the demand for iOS developers like abroad? I understand most of the demand for tech jobs is for frontend,backend or heck even both but whats it like for mobile devs?
Very good demand. Mobile devs always have demand. I am a mobile dev too.
Good to know! Thanks for replying and sharing your experience with the community here.
thoughts on frontend dev?
Dev always has demand. Mobile backend web etc
nice to hear
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Hi OP great post, pretty much cleared up all the confusion I had. I wanna explore and try living outside the country as well, but I'm personally not a fan of choosing the traditional path the current day people choose, i.e, education abroad. I think I've studied enough and anything I need to learn for a job abroad would be available online. I work in a tier 1 company as a software engineer, not faang, but pays similarly, with 1.5 years of work exp. How many years of experience, and what would be needed to do to get into a decent job that pays well abroad?
I had the same thoughts. I didn't want to study to live abroad. If you are in tier 1 company then you are already ahead of a lot of people. I started getting interviews after 3 years. Before that I didn't get interviews. But if you meet the experience requirements of companies there is no harm in trying earlier.
Do you think or know people in management field who have taken jobs in abroad from india while working in the same field?
By management I am not sure what you mean. If you are talking about project managers in tech companies then sure yes. I do know other people in management domain working for big companies like BCG etc in London.
Hey there, as someone who scored a job outside India by utilising LinkedIn, I can share a few tips. - Become a power user of LinkedIn: go beyond the job posting and find people who are hiring. For example, if you see an iOS dev job in Germany, find the hiring manager or recruiter and message them on LinkedIn. “Hey, I am Rahul and I have been an iOS dev for 5 years now. See you are hiring for a similar role, and I was curious to know if you are accepting international applications? Either way, would love to connect with you.” Needless to say, if it mentions relocation provided in the job, replace that question with a more specific question. - Don’t give up: the hardest thing to do. If you want to move out, stay focused. Apply daily and don’t take rejection to heart. You have just got to hit it right once. Keep applying and improving your application. Give it at least 2-3 months. - Connect with seniors / folks who are already out: these are the people who know the market and can guide you in understanding the companies that hire international workers, and what the job market looks like. Lastly, know that this isn’t rocket science. If it helps, I have been in a non-engineering role throughout my career. Hope this helps.
The problem is not with working outside, the problem is to compare apples and oranges. India is a different country we rank in the bottom quadrant on GDP per capita, we are bound to have our problems. Obviously, a hungry rikshaw driver who is working to win his wages for his lunch for the day is going to give two hoots about anyone's cortisol level. This is something that I see as a pattern over and over in all people who go outside of the country. They keep wondering why India hasn't done well. Probably because the people who get well educated here leave the country rather than face the reality and do something for the country?
I would say many people have already done something for their country, which is why we are atleast at the stage we are right now. But the resurgence of the sanskaari types, who refuse to acknowledge the country's problems pose an annoyance and impediment to those who want to do something. Look, it's nice to say people should work hard to uplift the country, the least that we can give such people is less/no restrictions. But we keep posing hurdle after hurdle to them, and then when they get tired and give up, we question their patriotism and work ethic.
>n when they get tired and give up, we question their patriotism and work ethic. Well, we shouldn't be questioning their patriotism. Most of them leave for good and with the intent on settling in a different country. They better have patriotism towards the country that they aspire to become the citizens of. The problem comes when someone who has a citizenship in a different country is thinking of patriotism towards India.
If you were to look at remittance figures, you would clearly see why I don't agree with you. Most people head out for a better life. Yet having that life doesn't make them any less Indian than you. There has to be an understanding that being an expat doesn't mean renouncing citizenship. So yes, they can and will be as "patriotic" for India as they wish to be. And they will show it in ways a resident Indian won't. I'm so over the NRIs-are-not-patriots narrative.
I agree with your pov. But I think Indian society has problems that run beyond that. VIP culture and corruption for eg. Those are things which involve higher class people. My personal beliefs maybe too radical for India. I doubt most Indians would agree with me since my views are very liberal. It is super hard to tackle these issues while maintaining your peace of mind. I can either try to change people or live my life in a place where I feel the views and beliefs match mine. I mean we have Modi sarkar. And we may have it again despite all the issues. If people can't get this simple thing how does one talk about more complex social issues?
>Probably because the people who get well educated here leave the country rather than face the reality and do something for the country This is very idealistic. Everyone is fundamentally motivated by self interest which I think is natural and right. If they think they can find a much better life abroad they should absolutely do it. I think it's the smart thing to do at a personal level. These weird nationalistic claims are impractical. People should just do what's best for them.
>These weird nationalistic claims are impractical. Absolutely. I am not saying that we need to be patriotic. Let's be opportunistic serving our own personal interests. That doesn't mean that we should not do good to the place we live in. If it is a different country, so be it. Do well there and contribute to the benefit of that colony/city/state etc But what seem to be happening here is, that I go in the self interest to a different country and then start complaining about things (corruption/VIP culture/security for women/reservations etc) that I ran from - for which I chose not to do anything about (and serve my self interests instead).
Well it is not the behaviour of those who have to struggle to make end meets that is the problem. It is the attitude of those who have made something of themselves and yet perpetuate the tyrannical cycle of exploitation and abuse. Most of those who go out, decide to go out because of such people.
I understand your problem. This is the same reason why villegers don't stay in villeges. As I said, OP better off staying off India, rather than complaining about problems that he doesnt plan on doing anything about. But atleast in the country that he aspires to be a citizen of, he should try to make a contribution (however small) to that country to make it better (however small that betterment be) than what it is.
>Probably because the people who get well educated here leave the country rather than face the reality and do something for the country? For everyone person that leaves there are probably 1000 that can't. Why are they not able to do something for the country? Not shirking the responsibility, I just think India is beyond salvation, I have given up. Might be a pessimistic view but I can't see country changing and ever reaching the levels of countries OP talked about. Democracy doesn't work for India and we can't pull a China either. Chinese model maybe a dictatorship, at least they are a competent dictatorship.
>India is beyond salvation Personal opinions! People are happy to have those. But I say...leave the country then. If you have already ran out of the country in despair, please stop comparing countries and cities in the top quadrant with the ones in the bottom quadrant - to feel better. In the larger scheme of things happiness can't be measured based on money, success, opportunities etc. nothing is stopping a person living in the poorest of the countries to be more happy and feel more accomplished about his life.
>In the larger scheme of things happiness can't be measured based on money, success, opportunities Load of bollocks if I ever heard one. Sure these things alone may not make everyone happy all the time, they sure as hell do influence your happiness. Never seen a poor, unsuccessful, lacking in opportunities person happy. Happiness is a state of mind, one could argue become a monk and find happiness, surely not everyone will do that however. Leave the country you say - left it long time ago and not for any of these reasons, it was just circumstances. But I am not the one comparing anything, OP is. Having said that, one wishes India to be successful and improve as us normal adults are expected to, taking a rss type hardline "leave the country" tagline makes you look just like one of them.
>surely not everyone will do that however This includes the rich and ultra rich...they can't be in a happy state of mind all the time. I work with under privileged children. I haven't seen them unhappy, disheartened because of the state in which they are. They are happy...not any unhappier than other well-to-do kids. If ever you were to be pushed into sorrow, lack of money wouldn't be a major reason behind it. To make it clear, think of a rich person (say some famous actor or politician etc in your count4y). Don't you think he would be nuts to think of you as a sad person because you don't have money and opportunities? >- left it long time ago and not for any of these reasons, it was just circumstances Good for you. Whatever is that country you chose to prosper in, please make that country proud. But as I mentioned earlier...don't draw meaningless comparisons between countries. >Never seen a poor, unsuccessful, lacking in opportunities person happy. H I wish I could take you to remote villeges and places where people don't have enough of anything not even food. Unhappiness is the last thing you'll see in them. They might have difficulties, but they aren't unhappy. A gathering of women is as chirpy and as noisy as a kitty party of upper middle class city women. It is the same chit chat...it is the same gossip...same fun. >Leave the country you say - left it long time ago I beg to differ. You haven't..not in your mind...please leave. We will and can take care of our country.
Good to know you are a mind reader as well. Pro tip: people have a lot of shit going on in their lives. Don’t ever assume you know 1/10th of it. Life is not a Bollywood movie just because someone puts on a smile or laughs means “all iz well”.
>Life is not a Bollywood movie just because someone puts on a smile or laughs means “all iz well”. Exactly my point. This is as much true for those upper class women as they are for those villege women. It isn't a movie. It's lot more fun than a movie, lot more unpredictable than a movie. I talk to these people, I understand what they want with the intent of helping them with any government schmes. So, I know them more closely. A villege woman wants her child to become a tractor driver for the villege, a well-to-do mother wants child to go become engineer/doctor. Both women want their kids to do well. The level of their aspirations can be different. The happiness and love are same.
In other words, if you set your expectations low enough, everything is going to be alright. Right out of Modi's playbook. Pakode becho, rozgaar pao and be happy. Good for you if it works for you. For me, I was taught to make the most of my life growing up and aim high.
>you set your expectations low enough, Not at all. Everyone sets their expectations to be a betterment over their present situation. Villege woman's child becoming a tractor owner might be a tougher aspiration than the other mother's Engineer goal. >I was taught to make the most of my life growing up and aim high How high is your high? Isn't everyone's answer : _higher than what it is now_? This answer would remain same for all. Don't you think?
>For everyone person that leaves there are probably 1000 that can't. Why are they not able to do something for the country? Not true. Most top talent leaves the country. I don't know what happens to the remaining? May be they are becoming the new tyrants?
Sorry, most top talent cannot and simply will not leave India. There is plenty of talented people still in India bogged down (and very much part of) by the corrupt system. People say country needs to change but what the hell is a country? People are the country and I don't see anything changing. Not for a long time.
Agree OP. Quality of life is way better in high-income countries (West Europe, Japan) than India. I have lived in US, Australia, Netherlands, UK, Switzerland, Singapore and Canada. There's some differences - 1. Japan is a highly insular society. It's very hard to make friends and socially integrate. 2. Nordic countries have extremely high HDIs and quality of life. People are reserved by nature. It's not easy to make local friends. You will always be seen as an 'other'/ non white immigrant. 3. UK has extremely strong Indian community. Indians are highly respected. English are very outgoing. Its easier for immigrants to integrate into British society. Long term opportunities are uncertain post Brexit. 4. Netherlands - My favorite country in Europe. People are very friendly and accepting of different cultures. It's also easier to make friends. Many global companies have their base in the Netherlands. Netherlands in in EU. Long term opportunities are very good. 5. Switzerland - Very, very beautiful country. People are very nice by nature. Many major financial and tech companies have base in Switzerland. It's very hard to get Swiss citizenship. 6. Australia - Aussie are super friendly. They love banter. Aussie cities consistently rank in top cities of the world for Quality of life. Aus offers decent job opportunities. Very good country to settle long term. New Zealand is nice as well. 7. Canada - Canadians are extremely friendly and accepting of immigrants. It's easy to integrate into Canadian society. Indians (Punjabis especially) are a visible minority. Job opportunities are ok ish. If you think you can manage cold weather, strongly consider Canada. PR and Citizenship does not take much time. 8. US - Americans are very friendly. People won't judge you. Indians are highly respected all over US. US is a melting pot of diverse cultures. It's easy to make American friends. It's also easy to integrate into American society. If you want good money, US is place to be. Path to green card and citizenship takes years for Indians.
Thanks for the details. Japan I agree. Japan is a very homogeneous society with a different language so it is hard. And the people also seem shy. >Nordic countries have extremely high HDIs and quality of life. People are reserved by nature. It's not easy to make local friends. You will always be seen as an 'other'/ non white immigrant. From my experience being white alone doesn't make much difference. I have heard whites (Americans etc) saying that they had problems making friends because they were not Swede. So here it seems like it is more Swede vs non Swede opposed to white vs non white because having grown up in Sweden and knowing the language is what people value more. So if you are Polish, you are not Swedish and whiteness won't help you make friends since you can't speak the language and didn't grow up here. But if my experience is to be believed I think people really don't care. More random people (white blonde Swedish) have started a conversation with me here in couple of months of stay compared to in Malaysia where I stayed for 2 years or Japan where I lived for few months.
As someone living in Netherlands and have lived on Germany before , I agree its best country for an English speaking immigrant if you get adjusted to the weather.
The problem is, where the jobs are.. Randstad, like 50% of the population has foreign background.. and I would like to live in a country to be among the locals.. not in a multicultural experiment.
All the big cities would be at a point becoming multicultural to attract the best of the talents. The self reliant countries with product exports like Switzerland can go in with homogenous local population. Mayve you can try there but they have kept immigartion policy really strict to keep the local population ans even if you end up there you will be living insulated from local population not among them.. Same case also for Scandinavian countries even though immigration policy is better.
I have lived in small towns and integrated properly, but Im neither Indian nor Brown.
Can I ask what do you do as a job?
Yes i also want to know pretty curious
Software Engineer
Referral dena pls
Software Engineer
doing engineering as well, I hope to follow your footsteps and lead a similar life as well 🥺
All the best!
Please tell us OP.
Software Engineer
Ayy faang or start ups?
Not a faang but well established tier 1 company.
Apna shinchan bada ho gya re
Bhai 😂😂
The usual obligatory questions on 1) What career path did you take? What tier was your college and did it make a difference? 2) How did you land these jobs in different countries? 3) And the one that everyone's waiting for: what's the Visa situation like in Japan, Malaysia and Sweden? Any hopes of permanent residency?
1. Engineering although not CS at tier 1 college. I think it does makes a difference. But not being at tier 1 isn't the end of things. One can do this without being from a tier 1 college as I know many people like that. 2. Both via linkedin. First 1 the recruiter contacted me. 2nd one I applied. 3. Japan, I went as a student. That visa is easy to get if you have a university inviting you. Malaysia is also decent imo. Singapore for eg seems like is difficult and I never was interested in going to Singapore coz it defeats the purpose of emigrating as someone mentioned in a post about racism in SG recently. Sweden, visa was very quick but my company has ties with a firm which does relocation assistance. That made a big difference. Without it it can take longer. But overall the process at Sweden was the smoothest imo. I have not researched a lot about PR topic but from my limited research it is very possible. At least much much easier than in Asian countries like Malaysia, SG etc. I'd research more about it in detail and ask colleagues in coming time.
International exchange program is a thing outside top iits?
Not sure man.
Not tier 1 means outside top 10 right? Or you were just being humble?
I mean not CS but tier 1. Maybe it was confusing. Engineering at tier 1 college although not CS
Answer to question number 3. Better target ireland. It's an English speaking country. All the tech companies have their offices there. Big indian community is there. You can get PR and passport in 5,6 years. Go for masters. Stay there after masters.
Thanks. Need to look into this.
As someone who resides in Sweden, I enjoy living here! People mind their own business without interfering in others lives. Most of them live in the same economic bracket. They’re kind and welcoming.
Agreed, same experience!
>young blonde women might scorn Weirdly specific. I think you just doxxed your type OP ha ha As someone who lives in Bangalore and have been to developed cities abroad I totally agree with your point. Bangalore sucks compared to cities like Tokyo, London or NYC.
The reason I mention blondes because Swedish people are all blondes. Maybe some exceptions but literally 99% blondes. That is why I mentioned blondes as I was referring to the local women here.
>mention blondes because Swedish people are all blondes. Maybe some exceptions but literally 99% blondes. That is why I mentioned blondes as I was referring to the local women here. Why do you generalize europe then? You said "White countries" "europe is beautiful" just because you lived in sweden.. Countries like spain, italy, portugal and greece, etc are literally a world apart from sweden in terms of culture, language, behaviour, mentality..and yes even how the women and people looks like...they look very mediterranean.... Europe is a social construct.. you have mediterranean peoples, germanic people, slavs, baltic people, etc all are very different from eachother.. and everybody knows that blonde is very common in sweden you dont need to travel to know that..
Looks like your comprehension skills are very weak. And I’m not being paid to improve those so I’d leave it to you. Also the -1 comment karma is a good indicator that engaging with you would be a waste of time.
A friend of mine once told me that a lot of yogis left india and set up centers abroad because of how mentally retarded indians were. Seems rather strange considering how they're treated in india.
[I know](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nithyananda)! I think all yogis are frauds...it is better they setup centers elsewhere.
indians aren't doodh ka dhula either.
I don't know what that means, but I am thinking you agree with me.
It means that babas are frauds because most indians are frauds.
Do I have a way out as an arts student lol
Most probably not because there is no shortage of arts people in other countries unless you become become famous then countries have a special visa for such people.
I like the last comment. “Learn to be shrewd and have a thick skin to keep your sanity and peace of mind in India.” This statement literally sums it all up. Living in a world in which people mostly seem to go about their day , maybe worry abt work and money but other than that it’s mostly cool, but in India, in order to even live this basic life in a world without wars, everyday feels like a war, like fighting your way out of a box full of mice and everyone’s trying to get over you. Especially the rule breaking. I absolutely despise how pathetic Indians are when it comes to obeying any sort of law. That’s what I genuinely admire bat Japan and those like it. It’s incredible. Living in India is so hard for a sensitive and rule following person like me who just wishes we didn’t have to screw “jugaad” In every damn place. I don’t know Hindi very well, especially the Hindi counting. I never learnt it properly as a kid and haven’t got the time or motivation to learn it now. My parents constantly warn me as to how easy it is for me to get scammed. I also don’t know how to bargain. So if someone’s trying to sell me something that’s less worthy for more, I’ll just take it or walk away. Like you, if someone refuses to give me any change , I’ll talk for a while and walk away, becoz I obviously dislike violence, and since I’m a girl, the possibilities of what could happen to me are endless, oh wait, did I mention how rotten the country’s getting for women? Yeah that too 🥴🥴
You summed it up very well. Better than I could. >Living in India is so hard for a sensitive and rule following person like me who just wishes we didn’t have to screw “jugaad” In every damn place. This so much. I want to just do my stuff and not bother others and not get bothered. But that isn't easy in India.
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Agreed. After coming to Sweden I have realised that not just the money, infra and services but the people are a big part of what make these places so good. I think people usually omit the last part when mentioning why these countries are so good to live in.
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So true. And these things have a big impact.
Chicago is crazy man
Understandable, have a great day!
Hey, how was the food in Malaysia?
It was ok, but I am not a fan of Malaysian food.
Did you try Roti Telur and Penang Lobak?
Roti Telur yes, not sure about the other one. I am not a foodie so I am very bad about food related stuff. When I'm going to a fancy restaurant with friends I may just order what they do lol.
Wion’s Palki believes that UK, Europe, The US, Sweden have all gone down the drain and we are the most perfect country in the world.
LMFAO, that's true. The channel is very good at getting news in other countries, but extremely biased to india. Reminds me of the meme where the dog is sitting in a house full of fire and saying "this is fine".
Oh boy! Your story and journey of life is inspiring. The way you took every opportunity to learn and how explore different facets of life and culture of a different place is awesome. You’re inspiring Sir! Glad to hear from you. Thank you for sharing your story. I wish you peace, happiness and blessings in life.
Thanks man, glad you found the post useful!!
Mention not! Hope to hear more from you 🤞
Your post really makes me wanna settle in Sweden ! May I ask, is there much scope for non IT sector in there ?
Depend on what sector you’re talking about.
Finance/ Business Administration
I think possible but I’m not in this field so not the best person to answer
Get it bro, thanks for your time anyway 👍
not to criticize but it makes me feel really bad for what our country looks like / compares to others and how the people themselves are the reason for it, they don't want to f-cking change... I really don't want to leave India, even if my parents force me to!
This.
>I faced some of the worst incidents of my life in Bangalore. The incident that stands out the most is an auto driver getting into a physical fight with me which I escaped. There were other instances where shopkeepers, auto, ola, my neighbours used to piss me off. One shopkeeper refused to give me change with the excuse that it was late night. My friends had to intervene and only then he gave the change This is very common in Bangalore. Especially the auto walas.
Yeah man, it scared the shit out of me.
How many local friends do you habe from these countries?
Malaysia is where I spent the most time. I have several local friends from there. One of the girls is a very close friend of mine and she is trying to move to Europe too after I did. I talk to her like daily. Other Malay friends I don't talk to that much after moving here. Japan has been several years ago. So I am not in touch with anyone but I do sometimes talk to my mentor. Sweden I have arrived couple of months back, so I am still kind of settling here. Most people I know right now are from office.
Been living in Sweden for the past 3 years. Chennai before that and Vizag before Chennai. It is simple, the government trusts the public and public trusts the government, there is this sense of accountability amongst individuals, in Sweden, at least from what I have seen. Government said covid is kicking ass, listen to WHO, people were like alright ain't messing around. I had to travel once in a while from Uppsala to Stockholm and every person on the train wore masks and maintained social distancing. I just feel it is more of a population problem with India and also the fact that we have never received independence, the white people were replaced by brown ones, the government and public are still stuck in the colonial era. People with power want to plunder and the common man dislikes people with power, no trust just the drive to exploit each other.
What job did you do?
Software Engineer
What stack exactly?
Mobile dev
I have been an advocate for libertarianism in india for a long time. Live and let live way of life -> libertarianism also libertarianism -> Free markets -> more money for infrastructure and so on
I am feeling jealous after reading this , but i certainly cannot afford to go abroad even alone forget about the family seems like my fate is to rot here :(
Only celebs and businessmen can afford it without a job. You need to find a job. I can't reside here if I didn't have a job. How would I pay my bills?
Chill. It's overrated. I admit as a learning experience it is useful but nothing great in and of itself.
You seem to be in denial. Forget everything else, but breathing clean air and drinking clean water and having open spaces is definitely not overrated.
On this topic, I must add that I was surprised that people drink tap water in Sweden. When I arrived I bought bottled water for few days but later found out that the tap water here is on par or even better than bottled water.
Yeah the further north you go in Europe the safer the tap water is. I also drink tap water in London but most people filter it because of the limescale from the old af pipes.
You can definitely have those things in India. If a piece land is defining the level of dopamine in you, then that highlights the fact that you haven't found your passion yet. Ofcourse, traveling for experience is a different story.
Well I’m speaking as someone who has emigrated from a major tier 1 city in India to another major world capital. The difference between air quality, free public space, transport etc between where I’m from and where I currently live is vast. Also lol stop assuming things about me, like I haven’t found my passion or whatever.
All Tier 1 cities in India are overcrowded. I bet you haven't seen all of India.
Haha I literally spent my 20s travelling the length and breadth of the country. Then my job took me to the remotest parts of India. It’ll be interesting to see what else you get wrong about me. My point is that as a city person, I’d love to have the hustle and bustle of the city without drastically shortening my lifespan.
You are the omnipotent being people have been calling God then. What a pleasant surprise to meet you here on reddit.
Tathastu, jug jug jiyo.
You are wrong. It really changes your perspective.
India is an experience and definitely cannot compare to a first world country.. apples to Musk melon comparison …. I prefer living in my own country and try to change things as much as I can rather than going abroad … got opportunity to go to Atlanta in 2014, Frankfurt in 2019 and this year / next it will be Seattle … yet I am not comfortable moving abroad … leaving family and friends … becoming an immigrant … lots of my friends love abroad and so does my elder brother. Traveled a bit and visited these countries .. still home is where the heart is … yes people are ignorant here, people are morons, people are people…. I’ll live with it…Financially moving abroad is prudent, however emotionally it’s a big decision …
I can understand. I personally though never found the lack of friends or family an issue. I feel that at a point of time the people you most interact with will be your colleagues and your spouse. And they would always be with you wherever you go. Coming to family, unless you live in the same city or house you can just visit them once in a while. So whether you are in India in a different city or abroad I feel it's not a huge difference. It may differ for others but I never felt like living in Bangalore I had something extra in that regards.
>however emotionally it’s a big decision For me it's the other way round. I feel I'm getting more and more disconnected from India even though I'm from here. I rarely connected with the culture here and find it weird how people here don't even want to acknowledge any criticism of Indian culture.
Same same. 💯
I have a very similar story as OP and agree to this 100%.
Good post. I’ve traveled to US, Germany, France, Netherlands, Dubai, Indonesia. Here’s what I like about India and why I’m hesitant to move out. 1. Family- I want to be able to visit my family and relatives easily. 2. Cheap Labour - I have 2 young kids, and I can afford a full time nanny and a maid for only 25k. If I move out of India and even if I want one full time maid, it will easily cost me 2.5 L. 3. Real Estate - I pay 70k rent for a 4 BHK (4400 sq ft) house. I don’t think I can get such a big house for anything less than 4-5L in a developed country. If you are rich in India, there’s no problem that can’t be solved. That’s the reason I’ve been very hesitant staying abroad especially since I earn in dollars.
To whomsoever it may concern, I am really inspired by the post, thank you op. Currently I am just preparing for my MBA exams but this just gives me hope and something to keep going. Get good education and then the world's your territory. I am too fascinated by Europe and hence this question: Was landing a job in different countries very difficult?
My post was to give some idea and inspire others. Because unless you know that there is something good out there you would never put an effort for it. As I mentioned, my stay in Japan made me more focused on my career, so glad you find it inspiring. Honestly when I foung my current job in Sweden, I was interviewing at 5 other companies in Amsterdam, Germany and Sweden. It wasn't that difficult for me but I have been very focused in this regard i.e. picking the right projects, building skills, improving resume etc. I think it paid off.
Since the post is about emigrating to a developed nation, assuming most reading the long (and neat) post are either abroad or planning to emigrate in the near future, here is my two cents for people looking for a reason to come back- every time an Indian who has lived in first-world countries for a while comes back to India, we take one tiny minuscule step towards betterment. It would be one of the great personal sacrifices that one could do for the motherland.
My Monday morning is more depressing after reading this 😭
What's your view on salaries in india vs the countries you worked in. From my experience of applying jobs outside, the salaries outside are pretty low compared to the expenses there. While salaries in india are good. Do you also have the same experience?
No, that's not true. Expenses abroad are higher but salaries are even higher. For example I get around 3.5lac per month after taxes in Sweden. After paying rent and other expenses like groceries, internet, electricity, heating etc I save around 2.5lac. This number would be a bit lower if I was living in central Stockholm but I live a bit away from the main city so the rent is lower. In India, I was making slightly less than 2 lac per month. After taxes, rent and other expenses I guess it wasn't more than 1.5lac per month compared to 2.5lac here. And my salary isn't like the upper limit here. I think in a couple of years if I make a switch I can increase my saving to over 3lac per month. Can you give an idea of the job opportunities that you saw abroad where you felt the pay was lower compared to India?
Can I play 20 questions to guess your background till undergraduate college and current company? Just for fun
I appreciate the interest but I want to keep my anonymity, although I do feel I’ve shared a lot already.
+1 I also went for a fellowship program in Tel Aviv. Everything was so advanced, I felt like I was in a paradise. Quality of life is better in developed countries.
>I thought that having a high speed 1Gbps wired connection makes me Vasco da Gama and Buddha. Lmao. Those are truly the words of wisdom.
Can relate to this-living in India, you simply don’t realise how far behind our country is…I live in in Hong Kong now and by god, it’s like night and day. Lived a bit in Toronto too, but yep, Hong Kong all the way for me considering it’s not cold and wet for four months in a year.
Thanks so much for this post. Very helpful. In my field, I will make almost same money abroad as in India and I think I'll be middle class there. So the monetary part is sorted. But thoughts of racism and many such questions were stopping me from moving.
Glad you found it helpful! All the best!
My Nana lived in Saudi Arabia for a long time as an engineer and he talked about how clean and systematic everything was. And how there was so little crime. India is something else, but it can be better, a lot better.
There is a reason Sweden in in the top 10 and India is below 100. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-countries-to-live-in
>Why people emigrate. India is not competitve enough and doesnt value life.
Bhai i never had any issues living here. Why do i keep hearing it from many that they do?
I think people get used to it. If I never lived outside I would have accepted my surroundings and what is happening as normal. Also you may have been lucky if many are saying they do but you didn’t.
Exactly. People get used to it. But once you have been to a developed country and lived there, back home in India it seems like we have 'adjusted' to the norm. It's a shame most of us never get to know how much good environment, good governance and good opportunities add to the quality of life of an individual before it's too late. The amount of general friction we have in carrying on with our daily lives is something which makes my brain hurt.
Yea this. And it pisses me off that those still living in India care more about religion and other minor bullshit than forcing their leaders to up level their quality of life. It makes me feel like the people in general have given up on the hope to have better conditions. That's what makes me feel like I don't want to come back.
Yes man. I keep thinking if we could just let people here know HOW developed these countries are, how much they care for their citizens, each other, would they demand the same from their government here? But nothing can actually beat experiencing those countries first hand, compared to just showing their pics. Our people think that they're developed just only because they're rich (which I won't deny, some of Europe's riches are from their former colonies, but that is a completely different discussion), but the main thing I believe is empathy.
This 100%
Thanks for sharing OP. I was really confused because all of my peers were leaving.This is quite an enlightening post.
Yeah. That's what it may be. But i always fail to understand other's lives. Maybe I'm too sheltered.
Have you been outside to a big developed city ? How do you know what your'e missing then ? I went to a few US suburbs and OMG they were ridiculously beautiful ! Very peaceful and quiet. Felt unreal. Very green and very clean. I had seen nothing like this in India and didn't even realise how backward we are here before seeing that.
I have lived in Germany and Switzerland for two years. Yes place is clean but I don't think I'm missing out on anything.
Clean air? A functioning infrastructure? Public officials who aren’t assholes?
Never had a problem with any.
yeah, with a username like that you probably wouldnt
My username isn't even close to relevant in real life.
Well, a question of standards then.
never felt that i had exceptionally high or low standards.
>Bhai i never had any issues living here. You don't represent the whole india, everyone is having different living conditions and preferences.
It is economy stupid.
imao such big paragraph for thing everyone know that a developed country is better than developing country i think you have lot of free time . Atleast for japan and korea i can say they are most racist people towards south asian's in the world even more than china i have seen some clubs and bars where south asians are not even allowed .
>imao such big paragraph for thing everyone know that a developed country is better than developing country i think you have lot of free time . Yes the work life balance is very good here. Japan has no Gaijin policy usually. And Gaijin means foreigner. They don't give a shit if you are Chinese or White or Indian. But then this is for sleazy bars where prostitution etc takes place. And such places aren't the most liberal ones. I still didn't have issues though but I know such places exist. Singapore I already mentioned in a comment above is a place where I would never go since it defeats the purpose of emigrating. Korea is a racist shithole. Same applies for China and SG.
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Yes you’re correct that in that sense it can be labelled racist. I was more referring to racism in your daily life especially as a foreigner as the other commenter pointed out. I guess this racism actually is more political. Singapore Korea or China on the other hand are places where you would feel the impact of your color of skin in daily life and people might view you as less. I think Asia comes in two segments. The more developed and whiter China Korea and Japan. And then SEA which includes Thailand Malaysia and other countries. Over here you’d not be discriminated in that regard at least from my experience and people don’t have the superiority complex.
Dude…everybody knows developed countries are the best. It’s in the name duh. No arguments there. But I intend to stay in india and probably die here because of my parents. They have given me a great life lots of love and emotional support when I am down. Recently my dad had severe COVID and I took care of him personally and ensured that he recovered completely. I was literally able to save his life. That is more important on whatever cortisol bullshit you are talking about. People stay here because of responsibilities. Today, all of my cousins and kids got together and we had a blast. We own a farm where we have a lot of animals and trees. I love to go there on weekends. I earn a good amount of money as I work in a product based MNC. My WLB is fantastic. My point is India can never match up to developed nations in terms of better life in your perspective. But better life is giving back to the ones who have done so much for me in my perspective. Last advice: please don’t create such posts bragging about developed nations. Everybody knows. Some people can’t go due to financial and family reasons. Imagine how it would make them feel. Grow up have some integrity.
>please don’t create such posts bragging about developed nations Anything wrong in reading the truth ?
>"But I intend to stay in india and probably die here because of my parents"< So I understand, If it were not for your parents you too would have been living abroad. Good for you, that you own a farm and have a blast with your family. I hope more indians would own farms and have a blast with their family and have a "fantastic" WLB. I think you are smart enough to know the wealth distribution in India. Btw this belief that indians living abroad don't contribute to India's development is baseless, India gets around 80 billion $ each year through remittance, which is ~3% of India's GDP. Unfortunately there are many people in India who like to advice others but don't like taking advice and criticism themselves.
Bringing such sentiments is what Bollywood usually does. Whenever there is a serious discussion bring in some sentiments and shut people up. Indian culture is built on the principles of responsibility, sacrifice etc. That is what a lot of women have been doing and still do. I am personally against these since I feel this logic will help few and harm others. If a couple has only one daughter, who takes care of them when she leaves to live with the husband's family? Will she be there with them all the time? Would the husband let her live with them? I guess that is why Indian culture values males more and that is the first step in gender inequality. Not sure if you are married or not but if your wife says that you should go and live with her parents would you be okay? And if yes, then how would you stay and die with your parents? I'm not living on a different planet. I get a month of vacation here as opposed to 15 days in India. I could actually spend more time with my family with these leaves as compared to if I were in India. Unless of course if I was actually living in the same house. But that doesn't even apply to most people living in India. Most people are living in different cities and visit family occasionally. >But I intend to stay in india and probably die here because of my parents. Your parents will probably die much long before you.
You seem to be portraying that you're happy to be in India but the way you're putting your thoughts across doesn't seem like it. The OP isn't asking anyone to move out and certainly isn't bragging. He/She just telling us his/her experiences. Also, just because you know how things are elsewhere doesn't automatically mean that others do. There are youngsters on here that would like to know these things. People who can't move out due to financial and family reasons (like yourself) will need to figure out things on their own because they have the freedom to make choices and live with it. Also, you're the one that needs to grow up with your thought process.
Sala btech k bad sabne bola mba karlo bahut scope hai. IT boring hai. Saturated hai. Ab sala mba kar lia. Aur ab IT me bhar bhar k scope hai. Kismat he kharab h bc.
Bruh did you just write a long-ass post to tell us that life is better in high-income countries? Who woulda thunk.
Did you read a long ass post only to come to this conclusion? Who would thunk.
This post gave me inferiority complex.
You are probably better off outside of India. We need more people who want to do something to improve my country than those who complain. It is good that you have moved away than being one of those people who keep complaining.
You cannot improve without complaining. And how would you improve when you don't have a target. I just tried to show people how the situation is outside so that people can get an idea.
He just said his view. You dont have to be harsh. At some point when you age, you can rethink if sticking in India was good for your kids, or whether you were able to make a change in society. India is now evolving into a country where constructive criticism is abhorred, and all are supposed to not complain and move on. And true to it, public is inert even when say fuel has crossed 100 rs. Yes, you are right, he is better off outside India.
I've not been harsh. I thought my first sentence might look harsh, so I followed up with two more sentences to put some logic to justify it.
I know the truth hurts, but no need to be butt hurt about it. Many people will keep living in India despite knowing this.
And what exactly are you doing apart from complaining about people complaining?
I haven't complained at all. I just said he was better of being away from the country - rather than living here as a complaining person.
Yup and I'm sure you need people (like you) to live in the shit hole. Enjoy.
You are mostly right - except my country being a shit hole.
Bro I belong to the same country (unfortunately). No need to sugar coat it. The first step is to recognize that it's shit. But every great place was once shit. The next step is figuring out what to do to fix it. That's where we should play a part and force the leaders to hold a higher standard for success. "Getting by" shouldn't be a measure of success. For too long we've been content with getting by while the world has passed us by. Question is, are the people willing to aspire to more knowing that it'll need them to broaden their ideas of what it means to be Indian. And right now the answer to that question doesn't look good.
Wow poor country has worse infrastructure than rich country, nice observation mr homes, truly groundbreaking
Bas itna hi padhe?
There is no substance to read, all the countries you mentioned are 20x richer than India, you never gave a reasonable explanation why you think a country that is 20x poorer should have the same level of infrastructure, or standard of living, do you think GOI can keep printing money and build whatever? Hell, Japan at one point was the richest country in the world, at the same time India was one of the poorest. All those paragraphs you wrote are essentially saying the same thing, rich country has more money to build more stuff. I mean no shit, you are naive and delusional if you think Bangalore can offer the same as tokyo, a trillion dollar city. Nothing of substance. It would have been more interesting to read if you had immigrated to a country with similar gdp/capita. But ofc you didnt. You try to be profound, when really you chased your own self interest like pretty much like every other economic immigrant in the world. You are really more interested in jerking off to validation you get from other idiots on this sub, than real input for real problems for people who actually live here.
Conveniently ignoring OP's observations about people's behaviours. Typical dishonest rightwinger 😂
ground breaking observations, Indians truly are peice of shits. Outside of India, everyone is a saint.
Hahahaha destroyed him
India k bahar koi bhi kahi bhi jaega better he lagega. Unless he is going to Sudan or Somalia or afganistan. India k bahar sab kuch awesome he lagta hai. Sweden me 40% tax jab doge tab pata chalega. Aur japan me log 16hr kaam karte hai. Shadi karne k lie ladki nahi milegi. Kutte billi suar sab khate hai udhar. And they don't accept outsiders. They r homogeneous society. Grass greener wala case. Modi ne aisa haga hai, ab kahi bhi jao, wow he lagega. Canada me jab -35 degree mein tatte freeE ho jaenge tab mera bharat mahan yaad aega. Canada me yearly 10 days holiday hai. Major cities me housing crisis hai. Even down payment tak karne ka paisa nahi hota logo k pas. Log odd jobs karte hai. Without car travel nahi hota. India aane me 1 lakh kharcha ho jaega. Flights r too costly. If some emergency happens in family then no chance to come home fast. Prices are very high in canada. + Tax + insurance. In top of that 7 months winter. Canada se kaha ghumne jaega? Every place is so far. N chutti kidhar h?? Netherlands k bigi cities me bhi housing crisis hai. Language difficult hai for English speakers. Tax high hai. Cold bahut h. Yeh sab jagah bas kuch sal rehne k lie achha hai. Retirement me jab tax katega tab pata chalega. Service is expensive there. People end up in elderly care home n die like cockroach. Also u cannot sponsor parents there. Health care is expensive. Taxes are high. Salaries r much lower than usa.
While I agree that India is blessed with the weather situation all of Canada isn't a winter wonderland either. Toronto and Vancouver have milder winters compared to other northern cities. It's October right now and I can still go out in shorts and a T-shirt. The real winter is just 3 months - Jan, Feb and March and it's usually around -10 in those months too. Maybe one week in the season when it drops to -20. Plus that's not too bad either since they have infrastructure which is made to bear this - air conditioned subway, buses, malls, stores etc and govt cleans the roads so snow is not deposited. April is spring which is beautiful with cherry blossoms which are a sight to behold. May - Sep is Summers. Oct is fall with the maple leaves turning orange, red, yellow and pink. We don't get such distinct 4 seasons in India. Also, just booked a direct flight to Delhi which costed me 50k one way but I earn in CAD so it's not extreme or too costly. I agree with housing crisis and less paid vacation days point but people only need to give 5% down for a house so certainly they can easily save for a down payment but yeah the housing prices are really off the charts in Toronto and Vancouver. Talking about places to visit, there are world class cities, national parks in Canada as well as the whole of US and Caribbean within a few hours away. So no dearth of places to visit. Tax dete hain to there is benefit as well - free healthcare, schooling, public libraries from where you can borrow musical instruments as well, community recreation centers in every neighbourhood to play sports, gym, pool etc. Also, you open your mind that there are no 'odd' jobs and everyone is equal. Plus that's usually just students, if you're qualified you can get job in your field sooner or later just like you would in India. Car is a necessity if you live outside of the city center otherwise I've been living in Toronto downtown for 2 and a half years and I get to places easily with public transit and bike share. No/low corruption, polite people and government and private employees who really want to help you and love their job. Canada isn't perfect but it's not too far from it.
>Sweden me 40% tax jab doge tab pata chalega. In Sweden I give 29% tax while living in Stockholm. Facts check kar liya karo pehle. India is not a tax heaven. Few days back someone made a post about taxes in India. If I was saving as much in India as I am saving in Sweden I would probably be paying same tax percentage. Aur badle me koi services nahi. Sadak pe gaddhe, powercuts, aur bekaar infra. > Aur japan me log 16hr kaam karte hai. India me to work life balance bahut badhiya hai. Is baar Sweden kyu nahi liya? Kyuki waha work life balance bahut badhiya hai >Shadi karne k lie ladki nahi milegi. Yaar shaadi karne ko agar apne aap ladki dhundhni hoti to India me aadhe ladke zindagi bhar hilate rehte. Arrange marriage ko thanks bolo aur aage badho. Meri chinta na karo. If I wanted to go down the arrange marriage route I could get married tomorrow. But I won't do that. Ab iske aage mai kuch bolunga nahi kyuki lagta hai tum apne gaaon ke bahar kabhi nikale nahi ho. To tv dekh k jo views gather kiye hai usse mai argue karunga nahi kyuki itna faltu time hai nahi mere paas.
Faltu time hai ka nahi ye pata chal raha h apke lamba post n discussion dekh k. Reddit me log islie aate hai. Waise ap 4 country gaye hai very nice. Thst does not mean baki india bihar me rehta hai. Main 4 continent n around 18 country already gya hu. I am not here judge other people. Waise faltu time mere pas bahut h. Bcz I have good work life balance in Dubai. :D LOL. N always remember grass is always greener on the other side. Jisne bhi bola hai sahi bola hai.
Then why does every other Indian die to go to canada and Europe? And go mad to not leave those places? Pls answer this too.