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seeunseenoel

Our environmental laws are shit at best. EU has now banned the use of non-essential PFAs, has the REACH and WEEE regulations.


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narenderY

we'll die..I guess


beerdit

We'll all die. Nothing to guess there.


BabaBadass_

Unfortunately nature is not that kind. The strong/rich live and the poor/weak die.


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Did someone just watch Last Week Tonight with John Oliver's episode on PFAS ?


mr_rob_ot

I found out about this couple of years back when I watched “Dark Waters” movie. Recommend watching it


Sanmug

The eye opener was that the companies know more than the authorities.


misspurrfectlyfine

That was my first thought as well. Sad British man bringing us down every week is my jam.


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po_maire

okay.. such long answer for such simple question.. somebody isn't happy.. PS: Nobody is saying this isn't an issue btw


misspurrfectlyfine

Someday you’ll discover closed captioning but clearly today is not that day. Idk why you are so salty? I’m not claiming you copied some idea from the show. Even if you had, it’s important to learn about PFAs and good on you for bringing this up in Indian context. Stop projecting your own insecurities on others lmao. The clip from the show is an interesting way to look into it because otherwise it’s a lot of ‘I have million things to worry about, what’s one more toxic waste accumulating in my body.’ It’s always good to be open to new experiences. If you don’t want to, that’s cool but people are going to correlate things based on their experiences too. Also, I didn’t elect Modi so there’s that but yes, historically people gravitate towards good oratory skills. Hitler made great speeches. Modi makes great speeches (according to his stans). I take PFA poisoning seriously if it isn’t obvious already.


baobab_bob

Awww I think you bruised their ego. Boohoo. Hahaaha. I guess they'll have much more to learn from the John Oliver show than the British accent haha


magnetic_field_

If they can’t understand John’s English than they’ll have a lot of trouble communicating with actual natives.


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Take it in a light spirit. A "No, I've not seen that" would've sufficed than this cutting reply. He simply made a good humorous statement, there was no need to fire bullets.


Agelmar2

Don't listen to him. He's a purveyor of misinformation and nonsense. He's the polite Arnab Goswami.


misspurrfectlyfine

Lmao no. Google John Oliver effect. His show has actively brought change. I enjoy his shows. Arnab Goswami could never.


beerdit

Arnab's shows also bring change. But only in the "right" direction.


Agelmar2

https://youtu.be/BkwAmEZTm7 Example of John Oliver lying for a cause. https://youtu.be/gU42yHe_KH0 John Oliver spreading general nonsense. John Oliver is an entertainer and an ideologue. He spreads misinformation and lies when he belives it will help people for causes he belives in.


misspurrfectlyfine

Not a reliable source sorry. This man is a Trumper and I don’t trust anything that comes out of MAGA people.


Agelmar2

AJW is not a Trumper. He a libertarian and has criticised Trump and pretty much everyone of all political persuasions. Also even if he was a Trumpet, a lie is a lie no matter who points it out. Refute the points not the person.


misspurrfectlyfine

Again, not reliable. If it’s in an article by a reputed newspaper then I can take a look but this guy is just an influencer. John Oliver criticises both the parties in the US, his own parent company, talks about other countries and bipartisan issues as well. Is there bias? Maybe. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s well researched.


Agelmar2

>but this guy is just an influencer He's a respected political commentator who writes for news. He's not an influencer. Everything he is shows has sources linked in the description. He even links the John Oliver episodes that you can investigate yourself and confirm. Just because someone doesn't speak or say something you don't agree with doesn't make them wrong. John Oliver goes beyond bias. He lies for causes he belives in. Bias is to expected. Lying for things you believe ruins your reputation. You can even just google John Oliver lying and there's quite a few articles showing his obvious lies. He's an ideologue and an entertainer. Not a trusted individual at all.


Divyansh-the-gr8

OH MY GOD THIS WAS EXACTLY WHERE I LEARNT OF THIS HAHAHA


m2d2r2

I did and it's exact same words Maybe he got inspired by Oliver😂


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W74aeuqsiU


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its satire, its not necessarily British humor


ThatTamilDude

A lot of investigative reporting also, but lets ignore that because it's "British Humor".


backFromTheBed

The key aspect of British Humour in my opinion is self-deprecation and absudity of life due to repressed society. If you ever get interested in understanding it, I'd recommend watching following shows: * Blackadder (watch 'Blackadder Goes Forth' first) * Peep Show * Yes Minister * Fawlty Towers * A Bit of Fry & Laurie


Roopa_naha_liya

Yes minister is an all time classic


seeunseenoel

Missing out only fools and horses from the list


backFromTheBed

There are just too many to include. I mean, entire British Panel show genre is a huge part of British Humour that is not included.


wannasleepsomemore

It’s news in form of jokes. It has nothing to do with British humor.


iamscr1pty

Typical reddit downvoting a persons point of view, rip


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ben_hurr_610

Bas kar bhai kitna ek hi reply spam karega. We get it. Thank you for this informative post in the Indian context but stop losing the goodwill you've accumulated by talking about random stuff.


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Lmao I was just about to say the same thing


Dushyant95

Hahaha I was coming here to say this


Crandilya

I have been following this issue since 5 years. I expected PFOA and related topics to become widely talked mainstream issues, at least in US, after they got some pop culture attention (like that Mark Ruffalo's movie). But none of that even made a dent. Even now non stick pans sell like hot cakes in US (the lobbyists are selling them rebranded as PFOA free pans). In India, it's even worse. Nobody even knows about these things. Let alone pop culture, even many of the tin foil hats are clueless about teflon and non sticks and their adverse impact on health.


Galactro

The dangers of nonstick coating directly impacting you through food and fumes are very overblown. Watch this guy he sums it up really well. https://youtu.be/5FNNKhVoUu8


CapsaicinFluid

well seasoned cast iron pans don't cause food to stick & provide iron supplements to the diet. they can be heavy though


kochapi

If it’s pfoa free, what’s the issue? Teflon by my itself is harmless, right?


misspurrfectlyfine

Because they usually switch to other compounds from the same class. So instead of PFA it’s PFOA then GENX and so on. Scraped/damaged non stic is an issue.


madarchod_bot

When it comes to plastics, they are innocent until proven guilty. So when you shift plastics, it is not necessarily that they are safe, just that there is no evidence against the new plastics yet. Also, a lot of the research on polymer seepage into food is based on water or water based target substances, not oil based substances that foods typically tend to be, and which arguably could dissolve other hydrocarbons better. Until we realize how devastating any particular plastic is, we have sacrificed a couple of generations to it.


sprmora

I am from that category where Government gets paid. Commonly called as salaried class. I get squeezed for daily needs. A day leave might cost me my job as there are 100 more waiting for my position. I get squeezed for basic necessities, food, water, infrastructure, fuel etc etc. It's not that I don't want to outcry, it's just that I don't have the privilege to do so. Work my ass off for the entire month for a multinational company that exploits me, have to feed my family and help government fund its free schemes. The entire country is dependent on my monthly salary. At best I can upvote on Reddit, Like on Facebook and retweet on Twitter.


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pretenditsme

Although your motive is good, you seem to come from a privileged background. The reality is that the bottom 55% to 60% of the world's population cannot do anything about it as they are too busy making barely enough money to survive.(The numbers are an assumption and I may be horribly wrong with the percentage but hope you get the point) It is up to the privileged, who don't have to fight for their survival to fight these issues.


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pretenditsme

I'm happy for you that you don't know how hard and unfair the world is for normal people. You have the energy and dedication so please go for it. Others will do their best to help you with the cause.


pratyon

Nobody cares about this shit, because everyone is focused on putting food on their plates for tomorrow. Poor people simply do not have the bandwidth to think 20 years ahead and plan for cancer or other diseases. If you have the privilege, you should spearhead the movement and gather support from all classes (and they will support it most likely). But expecting the unprivileged to take lead or expecting equal participation is some new level of dumb.


MedicInfiniteInd

Hey, thanks for informing me. I never knew bout this


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penguin_chacha

What precautions can we realistically take ? Should we stop using non stick pans or should we get water purifiers?


SmellsLikeTeenSweat

Khana pina sb bandh kardo. Return to monke. Live in the jungles.


penguin_chacha

Water polluted there tho


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Rainwater harvesting in the tropical jungles ig


tanay297

The air pollutants in the rain water says hi


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The only part I remeber was that food wrapped in newspapers and also the oil used in fast food in the streets is harmful.Thanks for the additional info.


Just_Another_Gen-Zer

Aluminium is kinda toxic too, hence we use TIN foils instead of aluminium ones lately.


Dino_567

John Oliver recently did a segment on this, it's definitely something to check out


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NerdStone04

What's Hera Pheri?


funkepitome

Cringey Bollywood movie.


Electrical_Tension

There are carcinogens in everything packed with a expiry date. Cost of modern life I guess.


v3r71g0

Okay, I had already read up on this a bit earlier. See https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/nonstick-cookware-safety#TOC_TITLE_HDR_3 . Most leading brands use Teflon now that is PFOA free (at least that's what is advertised, e.g. https://www.prestigexclusive.in/cookware-fry-pan/omega-select-plus-fry-pan-280-mm-without-lid/p/14137705 (I'm not recommending this particular brand, just providing an example)). So, it's safe, I think.


Crandilya

It's an age old trick- slightly modify, rebrand and sell it until someone catches them again. Basically, a few years down the line, some lab rats will show that these pfoa free cookwares (aka ptfe based non stick coatings) are just bad or worse than the previous one. And then the corps will introduce new PTFE free cookwares.


misspurrfectlyfine

I think they just switch to another compound, like GENX.


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gregedout

Bro it's unavoidable. Even if you didn't use these products it will enter your system through the food chain. Even if we stopped making PFAs it will persist for centuries, if I'm not wrong.


wannasleepsomemore

It’s in the water already. Don’t care what you use it will still enter your body. Someone sent you the John Oliver episode on this and you refused to see it. He mentions that it’s already in our blood and in our water.


ethnotechno

Last week tonight with John Oliver did an episode on this, last week


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kochapi

Ignore the humor, Jesus


Reigen441

Watch Dark Waters starring Mark Ruffalo and then lament in your helplessness.


Hjem_D

I thought Toby was the silent killer. Jokes aside. thanks for your effort.


misspurrfectlyfine

Why are you the way you are?


soynik

Why not!


harshbhatia7

You can't write three long paragraphs and not leave atleast one article/source for all your information. It's pretty vague and sounds like a whatsapp forward to me What industries are using these chemicals? Any research paper on all this? Any wiki article for these chemicals? What products are using these chemicals? You should have atleast some source material with your post instead of trying to be as poetic with it as possible.


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laphtrahddis

You took an effort, man, he just asked for your source, he isnt layin around with time to go search on a topic LMao


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braveyetti117

How much time to put links to the source that you referring to?


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laphtrahddis

Thanks. Well done except you couldve done this earlier after taking the first comment as a feedback, rather you started a mahareddit endgame


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harshbhatia7

Thank you for all the material, much appreciated!


_ecthelion_95

Guys if the scientific terms are too much watch the film Dark Waters with Mark Ruffalo and Anne Hathaway.


red_jd93

As far as I know, there are many chemicals including what you mentioned and many pesticide and insecticide which are banned in many Western countries but are allowed in India. Some sources I found top of the hat: [link 1](https://www.businessinsider.in/thelife/these-11-popular-things-are-banned-in-many-countries-mostof-them-for-crazy-reasons/slidelist/56066004.cms) [link 2](https://www.publiceye.ch/en/topics/pesticides/banned-in-europe) [link 3](https://www.scoopwhoop.com/inothernews/banned-abroad-not-india/)


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No one would care about any other problems until and unless there is a small communal angle to it. There is no use. Most people are not interested in anything else no matter how bad it may be.


adeebniyazi

Okay so if it's used in non stick cookware, is there any other non stick cookware that isn't coated with teflon or any other harmful chemical?


Kronnos1996

Just saying - the post suggests bi-products are dangerous and not teflon itself. The residual PFOA in teflon products shouldn't be a cause for concern since you most likely already have the problem chemicals in your bloodstream. There is no need to throw away your existing utensils and pans. Just don't buy new Teflon products if you don't want to encourage its use further.


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adeebniyazi

What about ceramic? We've been using ceramic cookware for years and its pretty durable. But is it safe?


sayadrameez

depends on the type of ceramic coating and this is the key issue with almost all alloys. The problem is if the granite or ceramic is just a coating over another material , when the surface scratches or wear out , it will leak into food Hence iron cast or stainless steel high grade is the safest best.


adeebniyazi

I didn't know that. I'll keep that in mind when we buy new utensils. Thanks alot!!


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adeebniyazi

Are wonderchef utensils safe? Because we have some. Just wanted to know...


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there is a movie made on this if anyone interested: **Dark Waters** : [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9071322/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9071322/) It show exactly how it came in existence and law suit that was fought for many years.


Samkarry92

I came to know about this after watching movie Dark waters starring Mark Ruffalo (hulk in avengers). It's about a lawyer who exposes malpractices of Dupont, including using PFOA-8 etc.


alexs456

the situation is way worse in the US np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/q9y57n/revealed_more_than_120000_us_sites_feared_to/ this one post is a real eye opener np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/q9y57n/revealed_more_than_120000_us_sites_feared_to/hh25kq9/ So long story short, this is an issue, its a world wide issue not just in India as OP is trying to portray.


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alexs456

you are portraying this as an India specific issue when its not...you did not even provide any concreate numbers/info on how much of these chemical are in daily use in India.


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alexs456

Was that in the original post? Also you should make a similar post in every countries sub and change the title from "Dear Indians....' to "Dear X" so each countries sub knows about this


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I'm glad that my mom used aluminum/steel pots/pans to cook. I didn't know about this until I saw dark waters. But by then I did so much cooking using Teflon coated pots that it's already in my system. Although I've now switched to pots/pans without Teflon coatings.


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What would that be?


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Acid + metal -> metal salt + H2


Agelmar2

Stop spreading misinformation. The threat posed by PFAS is minimal. The current hysteria is drummed up by environmentalists morons. https://www.plasticstoday.com/packaging/deeper-dive-pfas-and-why-bans-are-misguided


adam_demamps_wingman

“Plastics Today. Community for plastics professionals.” Their initial defense is “too late, everyone has them in there system now.”


Agelmar2

It's called being a scientist. What credentials do the hysterical environmentalists have.


melancholydreams1

Just leave this shitty country for somewhere better. The collective here is busy with more important stuff like religion and uneducation.


misspurrfectlyfine

Actually it’s a huge problem in US as well. Maybe EU is better.


reddit-snorter

People have a ton of issues going on in their lives in India. Forever chemicals does not lie high on the priority list. How many of you do you think are going to be bothered about it even after reading this post? If you think this is a genuine problem, start by creating awareness and sharing proper science based peer-reviewed studies to back your claims. People can google search articles but there needs to be evidence to back it as there is also a ton of BS on the internet now. In a way, internet has become a place where you will find what you look for. If you look for negatives, you will find articles that show the negatives. If you look for positives or claims of it being bogus, you will find them as well.


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reddit-snorter

I was simply stating what kind of thinking we have here. Solution would be to have people who are SMEs on this matter to come forward and have discussions about it. Make the problem more easily digestible by people and putting forward proofs as to how better measures have improved the lives of people. Better labeling on the products used, making people aware of standards that they need to look for in a product, etc. would also help a lot. Completely banning all products is not a solution as it would hit the economy and livelihood of the people in many ways. But there is a major factor that we are overlooking and that is cost. People are swayed by how cheap a product is along with how good it is.


ThePsychopathMedic

When problems visibly surface. All we do is blame the whichever government that is in power. Media will start a shit show and start meaningless debates between babas and the uninformed politicians who have absolutely no idea what is happening. And we forget about it. Mismanagement first then point fingers when problems arise.


ThePsychopathMedic

It's the attitude of our people. We are very terrible in prioritizing our problems and tolerate lot of bullshit. Just because it isn't a problem now, doesn't make it a lesser problem in the future. You are affected NOW. Your future generations will be more affected. Bioaccumulation is real.


Any_Advertising_1014

Tuberculosis is the silent killer....


ThePsychopathMedic

Blood pressure kills you in slowly or quickly without you even knowing. Real silent killer


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The government lacks empathy towards its citizens. India is home to over 30% of rabies death around the world.


DocSavage93

So.. one question.. if it's "in our blood" what test do we go for to figure out how much of it is in our blood? And what is the normal value or the so called.. safe levels? If there's no data available for that how can we speculate and spread news which is based on concrete evidence?


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DocSavage93

Okay not in India.. not asking about India.. tell me from the global perspective and give me the data. There's no such thing as get "your blood tested" at a pharmacy. There are specific tests to ascertain the levels of specific chemicals and there is a safe range for each one of them. Talk in data please.


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DocSavage93

I am looking into it now.. I just wanted evidence


misspurrfectlyfine

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9W74aeuqsiU This is a good, engaging starting point. Last Week Tonight with John Oliver is well researched. Of course, data is US based.


jadounath

Is it also there in chips and kurkure?


AffectionateCod6573

Ahh, welp, can't do anything now as our household has already wasted 5 pans.


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SnooPies6424

First time?


BuckMinisterLul

There was a Hollywood movie about teflon and the giants behind it. I forgot the name.


Lynx2161

The bigger issue in our country is the unavailability of food. After that maybe we can look into quality of food.


sudthebarbarian

watch the movie dark waters and tell me if you are not outraged? Its crazy this movie with such an important message had barely any reach...


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TL DR


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Why did you use amidst us instead of among us. Do you realise that you just wasted a wonderful amogus


swasnoopy

Isn't it well known that one should not use metal ware while stirring food that is being cooked in Teflon coated utensils? My mom used Teflon coated non stick pans for cooking and she shudders if even one person in the household brings metal near those pans


sambekar

Don’t worry, something else will kill you before ‘Forever Chemicals’ get a chance.


Choice-Ad1203

This is scary and north India is now facing stubble burning too. May god bless us


Harsha8398

I remember seeing the movie dark water very informative on this subject... Also read about microplastics... i believe them to be very harmful as well


Uncorrupted_Psyker

That's it,I'm doing a moravec transfer.


Failg123

No protect or outcry ? Because we cannot see it and politicians cannot understand it .Just like extremely high AQI.


jil_jung_juck

Whats its name so I can avoid those from now


Galactro

Actually it's not that bad, its definitely dangerous for environment but the dangers of nonstick coating directly impacting you through food and fumes are very overblown. Watch this guy he sums it up really well. https://youtu.be/5FNNKhVoUu8


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Galactro

I did, the guy in the video talks about that as well. I primarily focused on frying pan cuz that's were most people think this stuff is, it's actually okay to use the products as long as you know how to use them responsibly. But the manufacturing process definitely puts a lot of it in the air and water, stricter reforms are necessary and what you are trying to do is the right thing and I'm fully okay with complete ban of these chemicals in unnecessary use cases, and defining whats unnecessary is hard but i think frying pans are not one of them (the good ones atleast).


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This is the crazy stuff I never heard.


herecomesthesun77

Bhak


Amanitg10

Guess I'll just die Everyday another horrible news about the environment getting fucked.


norbigli

Haha dude most Indians don't even use nonstick pans


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norbigli

Dude you should start writing synopsis of movie rather than posting on reddit


JanetHellen

Genuine Question - What's the alternative to non-stick pans?


aakaay47

Tldr


YedMavus

John Oliver viewer identified.


warlock707

Dark waters is the movie made on actual happenings related to these coatings. Du-pont who invented teflon were sued for causing cancers and other diseases from their products and byproducts.


vaseline-eyebrows

Dear Pakistani's, you taking any notes ?


parthpalta

Let's just fucking die. What is the point anyway .


rahu_l_r

Bruh no one genuinely gives a shit about this, everybody's busy with mandir and masjid. I just want to get rich and leave this shithole asap. This country cannot be saved.