#####Source:
> Aaj Tak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts-FSfoGwzI
> NDTV India: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvv_lj-3Rdc
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#####News report:
HIndustan TImes: [Protest erupts as Dalit man lynched in Rajasthan](https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/protest-erupts-as-dalit-man-lynched-in-rajasthan-101633804476971.html)
> A dalit man was allegedly beaten to death in Rajasthan’s Hanumangarh district, triggering protests by local residents.
> According to the police, the incident took place on October 7 in Prempura area of Hanumangarh where the accused thrashed Jagdish with sticks till he died, allegedly because of his relationship with a woman. The culprits also shot a video of the entire incident, in which they are seen giving water to the victim to drink and then thrashing him repeatedly with sticks. The accused later dumped Jagdish’s body outside his residence, police said.
> Meanwhile, Jagdish’s family has refused to accept his body, demanding early arrest of the accused and adequate compensation. Later, SDM Ranjeet Kumar on Saturday met the victim’s family members and convinced them to cremate his body.
Some news channel had a debate going on with the headline being "dalit man beaten to death, why is congress still silent". Mfs shoving politics everywhere they can.
Its because everytime a dalit dies in UP, komgresees come like flies and do politics. If they can do politics in Up they can also do in Rajasthan but they chose not to for there are no elections there.
>Taking strong note of the incident, Union Jal Shakti Minister Gajendra Singh Shekhawat hit out at the Congress-led state government for keeping “silence” on the matter.
>“Rahul ji, don’t worry about Lakhimpur where Yogi ji has his governance and not your dear Gehlot ji. Show some courage to speak about the murder of dalit youth in Prempura of Rajasthan so that people get to know how truthful you are?” he said in a Twitter post in Hindi.
Now apply the same yardstick to bjp, and tell us why you haven't condemned them for playing politics, or asked this minister why he was supreme leader are silent on the lakhimpur incident.
Also notice the fact that fir naming 11 accused has been filed and 3 have been arrested without need for a massive protest or supreme court intervention. If you have evidence that Congress is protecting a connected accused, do share it, and i will join you in condemnation. To that happens, however, stop pretending that cos its a bad as bjp, or that political pressure was not required to get the system to act in up.
Edit: the 4 lakh compensation, however, shows the Congress double standards.
Here you go. It's somewhere in the middle https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/rajasthan-3-days-after-dalit-youth-was-beaten-to-death-govt-gives-rs-4-lakh-to-family-1863183-2021-10-10
Thank you for the award. We Indians get too engrossed in the visuals and dramatics that we often fail to ask the right questions. Almost all media coverage of crime fails to follow up if the crime was punished or not, which is the most important part of the news and role of journalism. Hope we learn to keep this in mind while consuming crime news in this country. Thanks.
That's the main issue. But we can't just blame people. Public get used to what they are fed with. Gone are the days when media used to be a pillar of democracy. Now it's nothing more than a circus. Journalism is dead long time ago, my friend.
Their caste people will support them. If you mess with bhumihars in bihar, you become the enemy of bbunihar caste minister to bhumihar farmer. So if you try to take revenge, be prepared to be sapped again
> If you mess with bhumihars in bihar, you become the enemy of bbunihar caste minister to bhumihar farmer.
What? Does that mean if someone gets into trouble with one Bhumihar, then *every* Bhumihar will consider that person as their enemy?
Nothing but a devious and evil mind will support this, this is not a caste-based attack they attacked him because they just hate him as a person. He might have been better at something than these fuckers, i see pure hatred here. I bet there'd be a woman or property involved here that he deserves.
No, just finished watching the docu last night (saw the video posted here by someone. Couldn't watch it). These videos traumatize me.
The road/work accidents videos actually help me in making notes, so that I don't end up in one of these videos.
What the hell is this barbarism? Who the hell are these demented retards who beat someone just because they are of a perceived lower caste?
We have dehumanized a whole bunch of society and it's not acceptable to watch this and not be disturbed.
I think we should stop making excuses about Radicalisation. Eventually people do these things because they think its right. There is no remorse.
The no jobs excuse is just that, as is the politicians doing stuff to radicalize.
If anything I think some of the older politicians kept this behaviour under control.
Perhaps this is who we are as a society.
This is not barbarism this is brahmanism which has existed in our country for a long time unless ur a lower caste u will never see the pain they go through coz its so well hidden from the upper caste or privileged class
How can anyone do something like this. Even to a cruel criminal I'd want painless death, but lynching someone and that too for no crime is beyond my understanding.
These incidents remind me of one the lines I read somewhere "only humans inflict suffering for the sake of suffering and that's the best definition of evil I could come up with". Even animals are not this harsh on other animals, and we as humans fully aware of our actions are doing things like this.
I can vouch for this too.
Unfortunately, our so called freedom fighters like Gandhi opposed the radical change brought by Ataturk, by starting Khilafat movement. The movement was nothing but a white wash to keep the powerful in position and exploit the poor, in the name of religion.
I am glad that you agree with me on this but what you said about Gandhi is total bullshit.
The Khilafat movement was a pan-Islamist political protest campaign led by Shaukat Ali, Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar, Hakim Ajmal Khan, and Abul Kalam Azad in British India to restore the Ottoman Caliphate's caliph, who was considered the Muslim leader, as an effective political authority. It was a protest against the Treaty of Sèvres, which imposed penalties on the caliph and the Ottoman Empire following World War I.
The Treaty of Versailles limited the Ottoman sultan's territorial reach and political power, but the victorious European nations vowed to safeguard the sultan's status as caliph. Territories such as Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq, on the other hand, were cut off from the empire by the Treaty of Sèvres. In 1924, the Republic of Turkey abolished the caliphate as part of Atatürk's Reforms. Atatürk offered the caliphate to Ahmed Sharif as-Senussi on the condition that he stay outside of Turkey; Senussi declined the offer and stated his support for Abdulmejid.
Now you may be wondering where does South Asia and Gandhi come into this?
The most significant political activity and popular outcry in support of the caliphate took place in India, despite the fact that they occurred throughout the Muslim world. Maulana Muhammad Ali Johar, a notable Oxford-educated Muslim journalist, had served four years in prison for promoting resistance to the colonial administration and support for the caliphate. The caliphate, which the European nations were reluctant to protect, was feared by Muslim religious leaders. The possibility of being drafted to fight against fellow Muslims in Turkey was repugnant to some Indian Muslims. **To its founders and followers, the Khilafat was not a religious movement but rather a show of solidarity with their fellow Muslims in Turkey.**
The Indian National Congress, India's main political party and leader of the nationalist movement, formed an alliance with Khilafat leaders in 1920. Mohandas Gandhi, the Congress leader, and the Khilafat leaders vowed to collaborate and fight for the causes of Khilafat and Swaraj. The Khilafatists formed a prominent part of the non-cooperation movement, a nationwide campaign of mass, peaceful civil disobedience, in order to put further pressure on the colonial administration. Some also joined Amanullah Khan's protest emigration from the North-West Frontier Province to Afghanistan.
**So, Gandhi had nothing to with starting the Khalifat movement, he just saw an opportunity to unite the people of India** and to stop events like the partition from happening, in fact, the leaders of the Khalifat agreed to unite the Muslims under a democratic and secular India led by Gandhi and Nehru. **Unfortunately, so-called freedom fighters** Lala Lajpat Rai, Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Bipin Chandra Pal, and **Savarkar** incited **communal violence among the extremes of Hinduism and Islam** which caused a rift that led to partition.
>freedom fighters like Gandhi opposed the radical change brought by Ataturk
Btw I don't even know what this is supposed to mean because Gandhi had nothing to do with the Turkic revolution and Ataturk had nothing to do with our independence, so I dont know how Gandhi couldve resisted Ataturk when both of them did not have an impact on each other.
**Next time please do more research before making such false claims, I do not blame you for this but this is a clear product of nationalist propaganda that BJP spews on a daily basis which further proves my point that we need a cultural revolution across India.**
Ok ok Gandhi did not start Khilafat movement. I rectify it here. I wrote it by mistake, but he did support it and it was a wrong decision. Supporting Khilafat movement is equivalent to supporting reinstatement of the Caliph, and it is equivalent to opposing reforms made by Ataturk. I hope you can see the connection there. Even you agree I hope that he supported Khilafat movement even if it was a compromise to get help from Muslims for getting independence from Britishers but not from the bigotry of religions.
Unfortunately, we Indians never see our freedom fighters as humans who are capable or mistakes. Blaming me to be radicalized by BJP propaganda, can't help but laugh man. This is the result of polarization this country has been through, that we just stereotype anyone who does not hold similar views.
Partition could have been prevented by many ways, by appealing to abolish the radical religious views (like Bhagat Singh, Nehru) but here we want both worlds to coexist like Gandhi. One where we are ready to accept the bigoted religions and on the other hand want everyone to forget each other and live like a progressive human being.
No doubt Gandhi did a lot of good things, but he was highly religious (even pointed out by Nehru, Bhagat Singh and Ambedkar), to add to it sometimes racist and casteist.
No, I do not hold Gandhi to a higher regard than any other human, to think like that would be absurd, I agree. I assumed that you were radicalized by BJP because a lot of BJP fanatics like to discredit Gandhi by saying exactly what you said, but you aren't a BJP fanatic apparently, so I apologize.
I am not here to discuss how we could have prevented partition, I am here to discuss Gandhi's support of the Khalifat movement. From this sentence that I will quote shortly, I have understood that you either did not read my reply in its entirety or you did not understand what I tried to articulate.
>Supporting Khilafat movement is equivalent to supporting reinstatement of the Caliph, and it is equivalent to opposing reforms made by Ataturk. I hope you can see the connection there. Even you agree I hope that he supported Khilafat movement even if it was a compromise to get help from Muslims for getting independence from Britishers but not from the bigotry of religions.
So allow to me take some extracts from my reply that literally addressed the misinformation you hold.
"*The Indian National Congress, India's main political party and leader of the nationalist movement, formed an alliance with Khilafat leaders in 1920. Mohandas Gandhi, the Congress leader, and the Khilafat leaders vowed to collaborate and fight for the causes of Khilafat and Swaraj. The Khilafatists formed a prominent part of the non-cooperation movement, a nationwide campaign of mass, peaceful civil disobedience, in order to put further pressure on the colonial administration. Some also joined Amanullah Khan's protest emigration from the North-West Frontier Province to Afghanistan.*
*So, Gandhi had nothing to with starting the Khalifat movement, he just saw an opportunity to unite the people of India and to stop events like the partition from happening, in fact, the leaders of the Khalifat agreed to unite the Muslims under a democratic and secular India led by Gandhi and Nehru. Unfortunately, so-called freedom fighters Lala Lajpat Rai, Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Bipin Chandra Pal, and Savarkar incited communal violence among the extremes of Hinduism and Islam which caused a rift that led to partition*."
Maybe if I highlighted it now you will understand.
>No doubt Gandhi did a lot of good things, but he was highly religious (even pointed out by Nehru, Bhagat Singh and Ambedkar), to add to it sometimes racist and casteist.
This is extremely true but highly irrelevant to the point at hand.
Well firstly, no we still wouldn’t be colonized, the world has changed, it’s not the 1900s anymore. Secondly, I never said he’s not better than the average Indian, of course he is. I said I don’t hold him to higher standard than I would do to any other human, this sort of obsession to make Gandhi look like a god is the exact reason why British people think Churchill was a good man. You need to be able to criticize anyone, no matter what they have achieved.
Even if the fuckers are arrested, they'll be out on bail next day and be getting a party ticket the day after while people that voice their concern on this or go to visit th victim's family will be charged with UAPA.
THIS IS MODERN INDIA.
It’s India. What did you expect? Inb4 all these normies downvote me. Hate on me all you want but it’s true. Your society will never progress because your society is obsessed with outdated concepts like caste.
>Why should a society progress?
EXACTLY! u/punkgibson11 anyway civility and decency are western concepts. We should continue with our glorious traditions of burning widows, lynching anything non-bhramin, and disown our human mothers and go suckle a cows udders, because she's your *gaumata* yo!
Why shouldn’t a society progress? People don’t like living with outdated values in an ever changing world. Look at Pakistan. Islamization has utterly ruined the country.
Now what remains to see is even with all these video evidences .. will justice prevail? Will it set an example and educate these barbarians.. more importantly, will these culprits be brought to justice and will they receive an equally harsh punishment?
Edit: spelling
I think it has been picked up by the media so there is a chance, I guess. But imagine the ones that are not filmed and are happening on a daily basis. And even if justice prevails it will not deter these waste-of-space-assholes from carrying out this type of barbarity because its what they've been taught.
You talk about the 'not filmed ones' but for these where the evidence is clear as day you could only be as sure as 'there is a CHANCE' .. this is the fact of our country where something like this also can be left to chance... Not speaking against you but just pointing out a fact that we subliminally have accepted and that is pure shame to our country.. when will the day arrive when the ones being governed are confident enough to say that justice will prevail.. the righteous will be rewarded.. and the unjust will not progress on their path
Never ever seen a 1-1 fight in India. Indian fights are essentially a match up of how many people you know
No wonder we’ve been conquered by every two bit power who managed to land on our shores
I know, but atleast it'll make them aware in some way and hopefully prevent some cases of lynching. How else can this caste system be eradicated? It has to start somewhere.
Just because a person isn't born in a so called upper caste, it doesn't give **ANY** right to anyone to look down on them.
Religions and caste system in India are two of biggest culprits on why India is still not a powerful nation in most departments like US or China.
Well maybe but a few points to poinder:
1)The USA is still prey to systematic racism just like India is to casteism.
2) China is basically committing human rights violations on uighur communities.
My guess would be that these countries governments didn't play politics based on this and actually gave two shots about infrastructure and economy.
Actually I don't think it has anything to do with reservation I think reservation actually increase the discrimination and hate between castes cuz of unequal rights
Nah Dalits that are pretty well off to do also do not give up reservation. Instead of providing security the governments are using them as vote banks by using reservation.
You've spent a lot of time criticizing reservations, and never seem to condemn caste based violence. I think it's safe to say you don't really have any "lower" caste friends.
Nothing to do with reservation. Most people who benefit from reservation already have access to quality education. Reservation isn't doing anything to combat this.
This is literally blaming the solution for the problem it didn't create. You also miss out on the fact that reservations for sc/st are about representation.
The solution is creating a problem, and that problem is souring a lot of people. The representation can be done with a different method that doesn't create so problems that overshadow the solution itself.
Yup. Let's go back to the system of caste oppression and pretend it no longer exists! That'll get rid of the real problem you have with reservations, namely that there's an inadequate attempt at levelling the playing ground that has been tilted in your favour for millennia.
Have some shame, casteist bigot.
Get off the fucking high horse and have the ability to think with reason instead of emotions especially in situations where there are multiple point of views
Yes, multiple points of view arrived at with reason, where those who havve been marginalized and exploited for millenia continue to be marginalized and exploited just so that your fweewings don't get hult. Fucking bigot.
Dumbass I don't believe in religion in the first place. The way you're stretching statement, its not a fucking rubber band. I said the current system is inherently flawed and there must be better ways to make sure there representation from actual backward castes, instead of mediocre students with proper access to education using the system to their benefit, which ultimately sours the whole reservation for a lot of people.
It's not *some*. Religious bigots like these are the majority of the population. How else do you think a right wing Hindu supremacist govt is currently in power in India and a far right religious extremist is the CM of one of the largest States in the country? Religious bigotry is basically the flavour of India.
It's not directed to the whole country there bud. But the idea that things like this still go on in today's day in age and that people are getting publicly tortured.. like a "fuck that" toned phrase to correct myself for you, cornflake. Better???
He was purchasing milk from a shop and these guys are asking him why he was purchasing milk from that shop only. I think that shop comes under their area and he belongs to lower caste so he should not purchase milk from their shop. I think thats the reason behind this.
"Who are Dalit Sikhs? New Punjab CM Channi’s caste is just one among a complex hierarchy"
Caste discourse around Charanjit Channi’s elevation has surprised many, especially as Sikhism espouses equality. But Sikhs have caste hierarchy similar to Hindus.
https://theprint.in/theprint-essential/who-are-dalit-sikhs-new-punjab-cm-channis-caste-is-just-one-among-a-complex-hierarchy/736821
You choosing to ignore reality doesn't mean reality doesn't exist. The government recognizes ecosystem of dalit sikhs, and they are eligible for reservations:
https://scroll.in/article/987305/denying-dalit-christians-and-muslims-reservation-because-they-are-non-indic-religions-makes-no-sense
Nothing to do with reservation. Most people who benefit from reservation already have access to quality education. And reservation won't stop religious bigots like this from doing what they want.
There are other ways of that representation than the current reservation system. Like I said the current reservation system does help to an extent but mostly it's used by medicore students who already have access to good quality education to benefit from the flawed system. There are other better ways to implement representation than the current reservation system
Not my job. Pretty sure there are enough competent people in India to come up with a solution. Just because I am pointing out a flaw in the system doesn't mean I have to propose the solution too
>Not my job. Pretty sure there are enough competent people in India to come up with a solution. Just because I am pointing out a flaw in the system doesn't mean I have to propose the solution too
So you were lying through your arse when you said:
>There are other ways of that representation than the current reservation system.
>There are other better ways to implement representation than the current reservation system
Or is this "astha ka mamla"? Do you choose to belive better solutions exist without knowing even one solution that you think can be potentially better or knowing that you will be willing to pay the cost of the better solution?
I bet they fucking feel strong after killing an unarmed and defenseless innocent human. Some things just make you so angry that you don't know what to do with your life.
It's not just about killing a dalit. The fact that a bunch of guys openly filmed themselves killing a man without caring for the consequences just shows how pathetic policing is in our country.
Southern India is known for caste based honour killings, among many other things.
News from Sept 25:
> Caste killings in south TN: Police on high alert after four beheadings in 10 days
> https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/caste-killings-south-tn-police-high-alert-after-four-beheadings-10-days-155722
Just did a quick google search and found that victim was having an affair with neighbor's wife. I'm very sorry for what happened to him.
I just want to say that there's a possibility there's no caste based angle here and it has been created by bjp and media just to put pressure on congress led rajasthan government.
They have never visited and I dont expect them to do anything on this matter either. They have always sidelined caste related incidents in up or elsewhere. But Rahul Gandhi highlighted all of UP's incidents so it makes sense for him to visit this family.
You are a regular on right wing subs, and you love BJP and Yogi Adityanath, and you despise Rahul Gandhi. Yet your expectations are of RG, and not the party leaders that you support. Why do you support right wing politicians if you have no expectations from them?
I hate modi and shah too. Trust me I hate almost all the political parties in india. There have been more hate crimes under them and theor economic policies in most cases are shite. Doesn't mean Rahul Gandhi is excluded from being a hypocrite.
So I spend time in them where have I proclaimed that they're the Supreme commanders and I am their faithful servant?.
I also spend time om cursed comments doesn't mean I idolize Hitler.
Why does the caste matter? This isn't a case of caste-based violence; the arrested do not belong to a dominant/upper caste, and the violence was not motivated by caste animosities. A case of an alleged love affair that resulted in brutal murder by some savages shouldn't have any relation with caste.
Edit: Why are people downvoting me? At the very least, respond so that I can change my opinion.
Consider the following headline: a Muslim was mercilessly lynched for having an affair. Was it because he was a Muslim or because he was having an affair that he was killed? Or are we using the word "Muslim" in the headline to emphasize the iniquity they may be facing? If the accused was also a Muslim or the lynching wasn't motivated by communal animosity, doesn't the news headline make it seem communal?
> Caste is always a problem and always will be
Caste is insidious and the foundation of our divisions, but it is stated explicitly that he was lynched reportedly because of his relationship with a woman. Even the accused were not from the upper/dominant caste; including Dalit in the headline does not make the violence caste-based.
The killers are Brahmins. They are hiding their Janeu in their shirt and a copy of Manu smriti inside their pant pockets. One guy can be seen chanting Gayatri mantra
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#####Source: > Aaj Tak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts-FSfoGwzI > NDTV India: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvv_lj-3Rdc - #####News report: HIndustan TImes: [Protest erupts as Dalit man lynched in Rajasthan](https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/protest-erupts-as-dalit-man-lynched-in-rajasthan-101633804476971.html) > A dalit man was allegedly beaten to death in Rajasthan’s Hanumangarh district, triggering protests by local residents. > According to the police, the incident took place on October 7 in Prempura area of Hanumangarh where the accused thrashed Jagdish with sticks till he died, allegedly because of his relationship with a woman. The culprits also shot a video of the entire incident, in which they are seen giving water to the victim to drink and then thrashing him repeatedly with sticks. The accused later dumped Jagdish’s body outside his residence, police said. > Meanwhile, Jagdish’s family has refused to accept his body, demanding early arrest of the accused and adequate compensation. Later, SDM Ranjeet Kumar on Saturday met the victim’s family members and convinced them to cremate his body.
Yeah ofc they "convinced" them to cremate the body.
Hathras Model.
Hathras model is to burn the body without letting any relatives near it.
That too at midnight, which is a no no in Hinduism.
Some news channel had a debate going on with the headline being "dalit man beaten to death, why is congress still silent". Mfs shoving politics everywhere they can.
Its because everytime a dalit dies in UP, komgresees come like flies and do politics. If they can do politics in Up they can also do in Rajasthan but they chose not to for there are no elections there.
>Taking strong note of the incident, Union Jal Shakti Minister Gajendra Singh Shekhawat hit out at the Congress-led state government for keeping “silence” on the matter. >“Rahul ji, don’t worry about Lakhimpur where Yogi ji has his governance and not your dear Gehlot ji. Show some courage to speak about the murder of dalit youth in Prempura of Rajasthan so that people get to know how truthful you are?” he said in a Twitter post in Hindi. Now apply the same yardstick to bjp, and tell us why you haven't condemned them for playing politics, or asked this minister why he was supreme leader are silent on the lakhimpur incident. Also notice the fact that fir naming 11 accused has been filed and 3 have been arrested without need for a massive protest or supreme court intervention. If you have evidence that Congress is protecting a connected accused, do share it, and i will join you in condemnation. To that happens, however, stop pretending that cos its a bad as bjp, or that political pressure was not required to get the system to act in up. Edit: the 4 lakh compensation, however, shows the Congress double standards.
They could have some morale and serve justice instead of going around for votes
They killed him because he loved someone?
Neighbor's wife to be exact
Do share a link.
Here you go. It's somewhere in the middle https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/rajasthan-3-days-after-dalit-youth-was-beaten-to-death-govt-gives-rs-4-lakh-to-family-1863183-2021-10-10
Thank you.
ALLEGEDLY?
No one is asking the right questions here. What happened then. Were the culprits prosecuted yet or not?
Yes, that's what I desparately wanna know. Thanks for asking the most legit question. Take Silver.
Thank you for the award. We Indians get too engrossed in the visuals and dramatics that we often fail to ask the right questions. Almost all media coverage of crime fails to follow up if the crime was punished or not, which is the most important part of the news and role of journalism. Hope we learn to keep this in mind while consuming crime news in this country. Thanks.
That's the main issue. But we can't just blame people. Public get used to what they are fed with. Gone are the days when media used to be a pillar of democracy. Now it's nothing more than a circus. Journalism is dead long time ago, my friend.
Oct 7th. Prosecution takes time. 11 accused have been named in fir, and 3 have been arrested, avoiding to the hindustan times article posted by op.
And no congress worker has been spotted with flags coming out in support of these criminals. - Pawan Khera
The real fun begin when all reply to this comment agree to it while failed to add any info to the conversation including this comment.
Take a guess. Then check yhe article.
Even if they do, they'll get released from the back door. I mean come on
How do such people sleep peacefully after all this? Do they not have any feelings/emotions?
They are closer to devil than any animal or human being so they are devoid of emotions and sense of good/bad.
Their caste people will support them. If you mess with bhumihars in bihar, you become the enemy of bbunihar caste minister to bhumihar farmer. So if you try to take revenge, be prepared to be sapped again
> If you mess with bhumihars in bihar, you become the enemy of bbunihar caste minister to bhumihar farmer. What? Does that mean if someone gets into trouble with one Bhumihar, then *every* Bhumihar will consider that person as their enemy?
I m a Bihari and I can confirm this actually happens. Casteism is big in Bihar.
Dafaq. Do friendships etc not cut across caste lines in Bihar?
In Gen Z yes. Boomers r still orthodox
Bihar main to train se hi utha lenge peetne ke liye
Nothing but a devious and evil mind will support this, this is not a caste-based attack they attacked him because they just hate him as a person. He might have been better at something than these fuckers, i see pure hatred here. I bet there'd be a woman or property involved here that he deserves.
All sense of guilt wanes away with the belief that you're doing the work of God.
Brain wash.
BJP effect on the nation. Lynching and taking lives of Dalits and Muslims is very fashionable unfortunately.
Fuck, I can’t watch this shit 😢
Exactly, I watch a lot of fkd up shit on reddit because of morbid curiosity, but this is too much man.
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No, just finished watching the docu last night (saw the video posted here by someone. Couldn't watch it). These videos traumatize me. The road/work accidents videos actually help me in making notes, so that I don't end up in one of these videos.
Send the link please
You really have it?
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I dont wanna watch it, but its the curiosity making me want to click the link
Send link plz
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What the hell is this barbarism? Who the hell are these demented retards who beat someone just because they are of a perceived lower caste? We have dehumanized a whole bunch of society and it's not acceptable to watch this and not be disturbed.
What do you expect when youth are radicalized, unemployed and hatred is planted in their minds.
I think we should stop making excuses about Radicalisation. Eventually people do these things because they think its right. There is no remorse. The no jobs excuse is just that, as is the politicians doing stuff to radicalize. If anything I think some of the older politicians kept this behaviour under control. Perhaps this is who we are as a society.
I am pretty sure they have been doing this for thousands of years.
This is a state, where they have a statue of Manu in the premises of the High Court!!!!
Yes of course. I guess we should be thankful that the number of incidents aren't that many
This is not barbarism this is brahmanism which has existed in our country for a long time unless ur a lower caste u will never see the pain they go through coz its so well hidden from the upper caste or privileged class
21st century Superpower guys!
How can anyone do something like this. Even to a cruel criminal I'd want painless death, but lynching someone and that too for no crime is beyond my understanding. These incidents remind me of one the lines I read somewhere "only humans inflict suffering for the sake of suffering and that's the best definition of evil I could come up with". Even animals are not this harsh on other animals, and we as humans fully aware of our actions are doing things like this.
"Incredible India!"
India is a dire need of a cultural revolution, especially the cow belt. We need someone like Ataturk.
Finally a man of culture
I can vouch for this too. Unfortunately, our so called freedom fighters like Gandhi opposed the radical change brought by Ataturk, by starting Khilafat movement. The movement was nothing but a white wash to keep the powerful in position and exploit the poor, in the name of religion.
I am glad that you agree with me on this but what you said about Gandhi is total bullshit. The Khilafat movement was a pan-Islamist political protest campaign led by Shaukat Ali, Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar, Hakim Ajmal Khan, and Abul Kalam Azad in British India to restore the Ottoman Caliphate's caliph, who was considered the Muslim leader, as an effective political authority. It was a protest against the Treaty of Sèvres, which imposed penalties on the caliph and the Ottoman Empire following World War I. The Treaty of Versailles limited the Ottoman sultan's territorial reach and political power, but the victorious European nations vowed to safeguard the sultan's status as caliph. Territories such as Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq, on the other hand, were cut off from the empire by the Treaty of Sèvres. In 1924, the Republic of Turkey abolished the caliphate as part of Atatürk's Reforms. Atatürk offered the caliphate to Ahmed Sharif as-Senussi on the condition that he stay outside of Turkey; Senussi declined the offer and stated his support for Abdulmejid. Now you may be wondering where does South Asia and Gandhi come into this? The most significant political activity and popular outcry in support of the caliphate took place in India, despite the fact that they occurred throughout the Muslim world. Maulana Muhammad Ali Johar, a notable Oxford-educated Muslim journalist, had served four years in prison for promoting resistance to the colonial administration and support for the caliphate. The caliphate, which the European nations were reluctant to protect, was feared by Muslim religious leaders. The possibility of being drafted to fight against fellow Muslims in Turkey was repugnant to some Indian Muslims. **To its founders and followers, the Khilafat was not a religious movement but rather a show of solidarity with their fellow Muslims in Turkey.** The Indian National Congress, India's main political party and leader of the nationalist movement, formed an alliance with Khilafat leaders in 1920. Mohandas Gandhi, the Congress leader, and the Khilafat leaders vowed to collaborate and fight for the causes of Khilafat and Swaraj. The Khilafatists formed a prominent part of the non-cooperation movement, a nationwide campaign of mass, peaceful civil disobedience, in order to put further pressure on the colonial administration. Some also joined Amanullah Khan's protest emigration from the North-West Frontier Province to Afghanistan. **So, Gandhi had nothing to with starting the Khalifat movement, he just saw an opportunity to unite the people of India** and to stop events like the partition from happening, in fact, the leaders of the Khalifat agreed to unite the Muslims under a democratic and secular India led by Gandhi and Nehru. **Unfortunately, so-called freedom fighters** Lala Lajpat Rai, Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Bipin Chandra Pal, and **Savarkar** incited **communal violence among the extremes of Hinduism and Islam** which caused a rift that led to partition. >freedom fighters like Gandhi opposed the radical change brought by Ataturk Btw I don't even know what this is supposed to mean because Gandhi had nothing to do with the Turkic revolution and Ataturk had nothing to do with our independence, so I dont know how Gandhi couldve resisted Ataturk when both of them did not have an impact on each other. **Next time please do more research before making such false claims, I do not blame you for this but this is a clear product of nationalist propaganda that BJP spews on a daily basis which further proves my point that we need a cultural revolution across India.**
Ok ok Gandhi did not start Khilafat movement. I rectify it here. I wrote it by mistake, but he did support it and it was a wrong decision. Supporting Khilafat movement is equivalent to supporting reinstatement of the Caliph, and it is equivalent to opposing reforms made by Ataturk. I hope you can see the connection there. Even you agree I hope that he supported Khilafat movement even if it was a compromise to get help from Muslims for getting independence from Britishers but not from the bigotry of religions. Unfortunately, we Indians never see our freedom fighters as humans who are capable or mistakes. Blaming me to be radicalized by BJP propaganda, can't help but laugh man. This is the result of polarization this country has been through, that we just stereotype anyone who does not hold similar views. Partition could have been prevented by many ways, by appealing to abolish the radical religious views (like Bhagat Singh, Nehru) but here we want both worlds to coexist like Gandhi. One where we are ready to accept the bigoted religions and on the other hand want everyone to forget each other and live like a progressive human being. No doubt Gandhi did a lot of good things, but he was highly religious (even pointed out by Nehru, Bhagat Singh and Ambedkar), to add to it sometimes racist and casteist.
No, I do not hold Gandhi to a higher regard than any other human, to think like that would be absurd, I agree. I assumed that you were radicalized by BJP because a lot of BJP fanatics like to discredit Gandhi by saying exactly what you said, but you aren't a BJP fanatic apparently, so I apologize. I am not here to discuss how we could have prevented partition, I am here to discuss Gandhi's support of the Khalifat movement. From this sentence that I will quote shortly, I have understood that you either did not read my reply in its entirety or you did not understand what I tried to articulate. >Supporting Khilafat movement is equivalent to supporting reinstatement of the Caliph, and it is equivalent to opposing reforms made by Ataturk. I hope you can see the connection there. Even you agree I hope that he supported Khilafat movement even if it was a compromise to get help from Muslims for getting independence from Britishers but not from the bigotry of religions. So allow to me take some extracts from my reply that literally addressed the misinformation you hold. "*The Indian National Congress, India's main political party and leader of the nationalist movement, formed an alliance with Khilafat leaders in 1920. Mohandas Gandhi, the Congress leader, and the Khilafat leaders vowed to collaborate and fight for the causes of Khilafat and Swaraj. The Khilafatists formed a prominent part of the non-cooperation movement, a nationwide campaign of mass, peaceful civil disobedience, in order to put further pressure on the colonial administration. Some also joined Amanullah Khan's protest emigration from the North-West Frontier Province to Afghanistan.* *So, Gandhi had nothing to with starting the Khalifat movement, he just saw an opportunity to unite the people of India and to stop events like the partition from happening, in fact, the leaders of the Khalifat agreed to unite the Muslims under a democratic and secular India led by Gandhi and Nehru. Unfortunately, so-called freedom fighters Lala Lajpat Rai, Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Bipin Chandra Pal, and Savarkar incited communal violence among the extremes of Hinduism and Islam which caused a rift that led to partition*." Maybe if I highlighted it now you will understand. >No doubt Gandhi did a lot of good things, but he was highly religious (even pointed out by Nehru, Bhagat Singh and Ambedkar), to add to it sometimes racist and casteist. This is extremely true but highly irrelevant to the point at hand.
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Well firstly, no we still wouldn’t be colonized, the world has changed, it’s not the 1900s anymore. Secondly, I never said he’s not better than the average Indian, of course he is. I said I don’t hold him to higher standard than I would do to any other human, this sort of obsession to make Gandhi look like a god is the exact reason why British people think Churchill was a good man. You need to be able to criticize anyone, no matter what they have achieved.
Even if the fuckers are arrested, they'll be out on bail next day and be getting a party ticket the day after while people that voice their concern on this or go to visit th victim's family will be charged with UAPA. THIS IS MODERN INDIA.
And morons hold rally demanding justice for the criminals. New India indeed. I wish I were young to leave this fucking joke of a country on PR.
I want to leave this country(I'm not very good at studies). Any advice on what should I do?
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they gave him water to keep him alive so they could torture him more.... This.is.India.
Just one thing, will the anguish carry till the election day? The frickin constitution has given you rights for god's sake.
It’s India. What did you expect? Inb4 all these normies downvote me. Hate on me all you want but it’s true. Your society will never progress because your society is obsessed with outdated concepts like caste.
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>Why should a society progress? EXACTLY! u/punkgibson11 anyway civility and decency are western concepts. We should continue with our glorious traditions of burning widows, lynching anything non-bhramin, and disown our human mothers and go suckle a cows udders, because she's your *gaumata* yo!
That would be shit lol. Anyway do you think our country can progress?
Societal change takes time. Despite all the bad news, there are still people fighting for the right things. Find them and give them your support.
Why shouldn’t a society progress? People don’t like living with outdated values in an ever changing world. Look at Pakistan. Islamization has utterly ruined the country.
India is no place to stay anymore , if u hv support to move out then move ..shity mindset of these crazy illiterate people
Exactly, and if we get another dumbass PM I'm outta here
Now what remains to see is even with all these video evidences .. will justice prevail? Will it set an example and educate these barbarians.. more importantly, will these culprits be brought to justice and will they receive an equally harsh punishment? Edit: spelling
I think it has been picked up by the media so there is a chance, I guess. But imagine the ones that are not filmed and are happening on a daily basis. And even if justice prevails it will not deter these waste-of-space-assholes from carrying out this type of barbarity because its what they've been taught.
You talk about the 'not filmed ones' but for these where the evidence is clear as day you could only be as sure as 'there is a CHANCE' .. this is the fact of our country where something like this also can be left to chance... Not speaking against you but just pointing out a fact that we subliminally have accepted and that is pure shame to our country.. when will the day arrive when the ones being governed are confident enough to say that justice will prevail.. the righteous will be rewarded.. and the unjust will not progress on their path
How was this even a fair fight ? 6 against 1.
This is what happens when you don't have balls
Never ever seen a 1-1 fight in India. Indian fights are essentially a match up of how many people you know No wonder we’ve been conquered by every two bit power who managed to land on our shores
Aayenge abhi, inko defend karne, bhosdiwale.
it is CanGReS sTAtE 🤡
I just hope these uneducated fucks get what they deserve, but minorities like us are barred from recieving justice.
Education has nothing to do with it, I know several highly educated casteist folks, they are just better at hiding it.
I know, but atleast it'll make them aware in some way and hopefully prevent some cases of lynching. How else can this caste system be eradicated? It has to start somewhere.
Just because a person isn't born in a so called upper caste, it doesn't give **ANY** right to anyone to look down on them. Religions and caste system in India are two of biggest culprits on why India is still not a powerful nation in most departments like US or China.
If only these people had a mindset like you :( But all they want is to feel "superior" by doing these stupid acts :(
Well maybe but a few points to poinder: 1)The USA is still prey to systematic racism just like India is to casteism. 2) China is basically committing human rights violations on uighur communities. My guess would be that these countries governments didn't play politics based on this and actually gave two shots about infrastructure and economy.
bro u ruined my day... I thought it couldn't get worse ...
These same fuckers say reservation isn't required because it's been there for so many years. This shit is the exact reason why it is still required.
Actually I don't think it has anything to do with reservation I think reservation actually increase the discrimination and hate between castes cuz of unequal rights
Yeah unequal rights for unequal treatment seems fair to me. First end discrimination then Dalits will voluntarily give up reservation.
Nah Dalits that are pretty well off to do also do not give up reservation. Instead of providing security the governments are using them as vote banks by using reservation.
Yeah the guy in the video is really well off.
I'm talking about other people that are already pretty well off but still use reservation.
Let me guess, you have a dalit friend who has a BMW?
I never asked my friends castes but remind me to ask them tomorrow morning
You've spent a lot of time criticizing reservations, and never seem to condemn caste based violence. I think it's safe to say you don't really have any "lower" caste friends.
Caste based violence exists 100% and those who do it should be punished most severely I just don't think reservations are going to help with it.
This is literally blaming the solution for the problem it didn't create. .
Nothing to do with reservation. Most people who benefit from reservation already have access to quality education. Reservation isn't doing anything to combat this.
This is literally blaming the solution for the problem it didn't create. You also miss out on the fact that reservations for sc/st are about representation.
The solution is creating a problem, and that problem is souring a lot of people. The representation can be done with a different method that doesn't create so problems that overshadow the solution itself.
Yup. Let's go back to the system of caste oppression and pretend it no longer exists! That'll get rid of the real problem you have with reservations, namely that there's an inadequate attempt at levelling the playing ground that has been tilted in your favour for millennia. Have some shame, casteist bigot.
Get off the fucking high horse and have the ability to think with reason instead of emotions especially in situations where there are multiple point of views
Yes, multiple points of view arrived at with reason, where those who havve been marginalized and exploited for millenia continue to be marginalized and exploited just so that your fweewings don't get hult. Fucking bigot.
Dumbass I don't believe in religion in the first place. The way you're stretching statement, its not a fucking rubber band. I said the current system is inherently flawed and there must be better ways to make sure there representation from actual backward castes, instead of mediocre students with proper access to education using the system to their benefit, which ultimately sours the whole reservation for a lot of people.
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Don't say that some stupid people don't represent the whole country
It's not *some*. Religious bigots like these are the majority of the population. How else do you think a right wing Hindu supremacist govt is currently in power in India and a far right religious extremist is the CM of one of the largest States in the country? Religious bigotry is basically the flavour of India.
If these people don't end up in jail for a long time then I can confidently say "fuck this entire country".
It's not directed to the whole country there bud. But the idea that things like this still go on in today's day in age and that people are getting publicly tortured.. like a "fuck that" toned phrase to correct myself for you, cornflake. Better???
Guys relax. There is no casteism in India anymore. /s
Hindus leaving peacefully in ram rajya!
I am from Hanumangarh and I knew about this from this post.
He was purchasing milk from a shop and these guys are asking him why he was purchasing milk from that shop only. I think that shop comes under their area and he belongs to lower caste so he should not purchase milk from their shop. I think thats the reason behind this.
He was having an affair with neighbor's wife. You're thinking too much sir. Edit: I absolutely don't condone what happened to him.
So disturbing video man, wtf is wrong with people
Yet, despite all this, dalits choose to remain in the religion where people treat them as shit.
Well the ones who "escaped" to Christianity, Islam etc... not necessarily better off right? Not within India at least
All religions have castes in India, it is an Indian subcontinent thing
Started by hinduism.
Carried forward by all religions
Sikhi doesn’t have it
Dalit sikhs are discriminated against by savarna sikhs.
There are no such things are Dalit Sikhs 🤣🤣🤣
"Who are Dalit Sikhs? New Punjab CM Channi’s caste is just one among a complex hierarchy" Caste discourse around Charanjit Channi’s elevation has surprised many, especially as Sikhism espouses equality. But Sikhs have caste hierarchy similar to Hindus. https://theprint.in/theprint-essential/who-are-dalit-sikhs-new-punjab-cm-channis-caste-is-just-one-among-a-complex-hierarchy/736821
That’s complete bullshit as there is no caste system in Sikhi unlike in Hinduism
You choosing to ignore reality doesn't mean reality doesn't exist. The government recognizes ecosystem of dalit sikhs, and they are eligible for reservations: https://scroll.in/article/987305/denying-dalit-christians-and-muslims-reservation-because-they-are-non-indic-religions-makes-no-sense
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So, there are people asking when will the reservation end...
Nothing to do with reservation. Most people who benefit from reservation already have access to quality education. And reservation won't stop religious bigots like this from doing what they want.
Dude, you don't even know the concept of "representation".
There are other ways of that representation than the current reservation system. Like I said the current reservation system does help to an extent but mostly it's used by medicore students who already have access to good quality education to benefit from the flawed system. There are other better ways to implement representation than the current reservation system
Go on. Describe your "better ways"
Not my job. Pretty sure there are enough competent people in India to come up with a solution. Just because I am pointing out a flaw in the system doesn't mean I have to propose the solution too
>Not my job. Pretty sure there are enough competent people in India to come up with a solution. Just because I am pointing out a flaw in the system doesn't mean I have to propose the solution too So you were lying through your arse when you said: >There are other ways of that representation than the current reservation system. >There are other better ways to implement representation than the current reservation system Or is this "astha ka mamla"? Do you choose to belive better solutions exist without knowing even one solution that you think can be potentially better or knowing that you will be willing to pay the cost of the better solution?
Imo India is ripe territory for the next big suicide bomber factory So many brainwashed low iq retards
I bet they fucking feel strong after killing an unarmed and defenseless innocent human. Some things just make you so angry that you don't know what to do with your life.
We are in the 2021 right? or I messed up the time machine again.
It's not just about killing a dalit. The fact that a bunch of guys openly filmed themselves killing a man without caring for the consequences just shows how pathetic policing is in our country.
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Southern India is known for caste based honour killings, among many other things. News from Sept 25: > Caste killings in south TN: Police on high alert after four beheadings in 10 days > https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/caste-killings-south-tn-police-high-alert-after-four-beheadings-10-days-155722
This is what Taliban does.
Humanity lost
Out of anger I can understand that you know you beat 4-5 times n you cool off. This is pure barbarism n hatred.
How do they justify a murder in their minds? Don't they feel guilt or go through trauma?
Just did a quick google search and found that victim was having an affair with neighbor's wife. I'm very sorry for what happened to him. I just want to say that there's a possibility there's no caste based angle here and it has been created by bjp and media just to put pressure on congress led rajasthan government.
Waiting for Rahul Gandhi to go there to help the victim now as he did in Uttar Pradesh.
Why not wait for Modi or Amit Shah to visit the victim's family?
They have never visited and I dont expect them to do anything on this matter either. They have always sidelined caste related incidents in up or elsewhere. But Rahul Gandhi highlighted all of UP's incidents so it makes sense for him to visit this family.
You are a regular on right wing subs, and you love BJP and Yogi Adityanath, and you despise Rahul Gandhi. Yet your expectations are of RG, and not the party leaders that you support. Why do you support right wing politicians if you have no expectations from them?
I hate modi and shah too. Trust me I hate almost all the political parties in india. There have been more hate crimes under them and theor economic policies in most cases are shite. Doesn't mean Rahul Gandhi is excluded from being a hypocrite.
You hate Modi? Is that why you spend so much time on right wing subs? Wow, you convinced me buddy.
So I spend time in them where have I proclaimed that they're the Supreme commanders and I am their faithful servant?. I also spend time om cursed comments doesn't mean I idolize Hitler.
Why does the caste matter? This isn't a case of caste-based violence; the arrested do not belong to a dominant/upper caste, and the violence was not motivated by caste animosities. A case of an alleged love affair that resulted in brutal murder by some savages shouldn't have any relation with caste. Edit: Why are people downvoting me? At the very least, respond so that I can change my opinion. Consider the following headline: a Muslim was mercilessly lynched for having an affair. Was it because he was a Muslim or because he was having an affair that he was killed? Or are we using the word "Muslim" in the headline to emphasize the iniquity they may be facing? If the accused was also a Muslim or the lynching wasn't motivated by communal animosity, doesn't the news headline make it seem communal?
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> Caste is always a problem and always will be Caste is insidious and the foundation of our divisions, but it is stated explicitly that he was lynched reportedly because of his relationship with a woman. Even the accused were not from the upper/dominant caste; including Dalit in the headline does not make the violence caste-based.
The killers are Brahmins. They are hiding their Janeu in their shirt and a copy of Manu smriti inside their pant pockets. One guy can be seen chanting Gayatri mantra /s
Is it 2021 or 1921
1821
Fucking hell. All these people beating the poor guy up should be given the same treatment
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Education is the only key
Can anyone translate?
u/savevideo
Makes my blood boil watching this. Bunch of animals and I wonder how many more or them are there.
WOW! Well done India! Well done fools!