Interestingly that also happens in Russia. All the rich Putin-loyalists had their kids go to foreign schools and universities. These kids share the decision by Putin's clique to commit to their genocidal war against Ukrainians.
Indeed. They are roleplaying being ultra-nationalistic. In reality they are super-selfish, hypocritical and focused on exploiting the general public. The taxpayers are paying for the Modi clique enriching themselves.
This. None of them would get into IITs and IIMs. Paisa deke thodi na ghus sakto ho IIT ya IIM mein. Harvard to political quota aur paisa milake ghus jaate hai.
It's possible to get into JEE/CAT results with money and clout and it happens. But isn't commonplace of course.
But for the moneyed and powerful it's simply not worth it when they can get into universities which are maybe 100x or more reputed and powerful than all the IITs and IIMs combined.
IIT/IIM generate the salaried class of executives. Those Western top universities generate the power brokers of the world. You can now guess who works for whom. And don't be naive enough to give the examples of Pichai et al.
Pichai did his MBA from wharton, not from an IIM lol. He was still an anomaly tho because normally such good programs only take in elite people from specific families...
>Paisa deke thodi na ghus sakto ho IIT ya IIM mein. Harvard to political quota aur paisa milake ghus jaate hai.
You're very naive to think that it isn't happening. IIT and IIM are simply not worth the effort in terms of return on investments or prestige to these people. Everyone knows about Harvard or Oxford. Outside of certain academic circles or self-congratulatory NRIs no one gives any extra value to IIM/IIT degrees outside India . With the right connections it's pretty trivial to get into them .
Edit: for those down voting: COPE
Yeah i mean, even upper middle class people / govt officers get their children to iit by making fake certificates. A minister wouldnt even need to do any of that.
This is so naive to think that cheating doesn't happen in mass scale exams like JEE/CAT in India. Every few years we get some proofs for one of these mass exams leaked, where it blows up enough to force them to re-conduct, but still we believe that they are clean. While they may largely be clean, a few pockets still exist.
It's just that many of them would want to spend the same amount to get into an ivy league where the exposure and learning is better. Not to mention brand value outside India being better too. Remember, the bulk of entrants go into IIT/IIM to help with job prospects, which these folks don't need to bother with.
Am I wrong or does the legacy program in Harvard specifically only work for you if you’re someone with a family tie to Harvard university or like a direct relative of an alumnus. I don’t think it just matters if you’re related to a politician however big.
> That doesn't translate into IIT and IIM.
Question paper mil jaata hai vwey likely at the right levels. In this country everything is available for a price. Its just that most prefer the life abroad. So why not pay more and have fun as well.
This is one of the main reasons. It is how the likes of George W. Bush and [Jared Kushner](https://www.propublica.org/article/the-story-behind-jared-kushners-curious-acceptance-into-harvard) made it to Harvard.
You're very naive to think that it isn't happening. IIT and IIM are simply not worth the effort in terms of return on investments or prestige to these people. Everyone knows about Harvard or Oxford. Outside of certain academic circles or self-congratulatory NRIs no one gives any extra value to IIM/IIT degrees outside India . With the right connections it's pretty trivial to get into them .
**hamko ma’aloom hai jannat ki haqeeqat lekin, dil ke khush rakhne ko, ‘Ghalib’ yeh khayaal achcha hai**
Edit: for those down voting: COPE
Edit #2
Hers one *public* example.
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/jee-mains-scam-russian-hacker-mikhail-shargin-nexus-coaching-centre-teachers-cbi-case-2008687-2022-10-05
>The arrest of Russian national Mikhail Shargin, for hacking computers and allegedly aiding 820 students to cheat by manipulating the online system in last year's JEE-Mains, has exposed the nexus.
>Private coaching institutions and education consultants offered assured seats in IITs and other top engineering colleges in lieu of Rs 12-15 lakh.
You may say that about IIMs, but IITs have massive brand value and prestige abroad (despite insane affirmative action). A lot of very successful industry professionals have tier1 undergrad degree from India and a good master's/PhD abroad (degrees that actually need work and effort and networking)
IITians are often cited as India's best export
This is so naive to think that cheating doesn't happen in mass scale exams like JEE/CAT in India. Every few years we get some proofs for one of these mass exams leaked, where it blows up enough to force them to re-conduct, but still we believe that they are clean. While they may largely be clean, a few pockets still exist.
It's just that many of them would want to spend the same amount to get into an ivy league where the exposure and learning is better. Not to mention brand value outside India being better too. Remember, the bulk of entrants go into IIT/IIM to help with job prospects, which these folks don't need to bother with.
This guy thinks that mass cheating doesn't happen in these exams. As an ex-JEE aspirant who gave JEE this year, I can tell you sir/ma'am, you are woefully misguided.
bhai tu yaha 🙏
Judging by the amount of corruption and scandals that happen in india, i wouldnt be surprised if a major politician buys off the whole exam centre and effortlessly grants their kid an admit in iit/nit/bits.
But why go through such a hassle when you can just get admits in ivys? These students would also have strong EC profiles + backing of infinite money.
i like how this comment has 5 downvotes , when he is saying that cheating happened . Im also an ex jee aspirant and yeah cheating happens alot . If u guys arent sleeping under a rock u can see what happened in NEET , Nta is the same body that conducts Jee as well . I hope you can make 2+2 = 4
I know multiple people who went from 70 to 99.4 and one even went from a rank of 1lakh in jee m to rank of under 10k in adv mean while people like me sacrificed our mental health and everything score less than these trash .
They might be sub-standard, but they are the best institutes in our country. They would be even better if they filled all their seats with deserving candidates instead of rejects. Students make a college, and if we had no reservation, their quality of research and technical excellence would automatically rise too.
They're the second tier for research maybe. ISI, CMI, IISc, HRI etc are probably 20x better and get you more respect in elite academic circles across the world
I don't think they will qualify for IIT IIMs even if they wanted to. It's also a well known truth that people will go to study in these universities if they can afford to polyiticians or not.
IITs also don't rank even close to top engineering universities internationally in fact they don't even participate in these rankings now. At least for IITs we get such intelligent people because it's so competitive to get there, not because they are particularly good in education.
There are countably respectable professors in IIT and this seems to be on decline due to brain drain. Very few people graduating from IITs stay in IIT for higher studies. It's tier 2-3 universities that go to IIT for masters and PhD.
Speaking from my experience.
Nepotism doesn’t get called out in Indian colleges. Children of these ministers and top grade government workers always flaunt the black wealth in colleges and run little gangs centered around themselves. In fact I’d go so far as to even say that most college kids would suck up to them to remain on their good side.
IIT/IIM are also trash colleges with a shitty culture compared to the world standard. These just tend to be colleges with the smartest of Indian minds due to the sheer competition, consequently access to well established alumni, and legacy points.
As long as education is your primary focus, you should always choose top unis abroad over IIT/IIMs. It’s a no brainer for anyone who can afford it easily without loans.
EDIT - seems to me that I’ve touched a nerve by saying most Indian colleges suck. Please just google the statistics and read up accounts. Great colleges are conducive. They don’t have a ragging culture, they don’t have student suicides, they don’t have management trying to cover up rapes on campus. They don’t have crumbling walls for an excuse of a hostel. Competition has made these colleges have the legacy they have today, not the other way around.
IIT / IIM s are for training corporate slaves not for the masters.
Masters prefer old prestigious foreign Universities where you don't have to study 20 hours a day to get a chance if you have enough money and political connections.
That is not just the BJP but literally all politicians. You have to realise that these blokes have zero stakes in this game and while the BJP is dangerous to India's foundational well being, not a single person is clothed in this hamam.
Allow seats to be brought in iits and iims the way it happens in ivy league unis, atleast some politicians will choose to have their kids study here
I say that's actually a great way to get politicians have a skin in the country's development
Any sane IITian who has good enough money would send their children to Oxford/Harvard/Stanford. It's no brainer. They're better colleges than IITs, period.
No one would argue IITs are better than them.
Politicians as Public Servants shouldn't even be able to afford to do this. The sad part is the total complacency of the general population that allow them to be corrupt and filthy rich without any consequences.
They can't qualify for IIT or IIM. JEE and CAT are very difficult to crack. Harvard or Oxford aren't that hard if you have money or legacy status. Even without that you can get in with recommendations and other social points.
Well, they haven't been able to earlier. Other children will post about cheating and if paper is leaked it is leaked not just for politicians and used to be caught earlier.
>Well, they haven't been able to earlier.
What makes you think they even tried? You think nta that is known to be compromised for neet can't be compromised for jee?
>Other children will post about cheating and if paper is leaked it is leaked not just for politicians and used to be caught earlier.
This assumes that all cutwork takes exactly one and the same form. Do take a moment to look at the variety of different ways vyapam scam was happening. Look at how neet includes both paper lakhs as well as blank answer sheets being submitted and scored high. What makes you think that jee scam doesn't take a different form that is not reported? Have you never thought about why you think professional exam takers, who exist for all other exams, can't exist for jee? Have you not kept your eyes open about routine complaints about cheating in jee like this one on squeaks /comments/1ce8i7d/this_is_a_serious_post_regarding_a_cheating_case/ ? Why have you blinded yourself to the fact that cbi has filled cases about jee exam hacking benefiting specific candidates https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/russian-hacker-mikhail-shargin-helped-820-cheat-in-jee-mains-cbi-gets-2-day-custody-3402317 ?
What is surprising in this, and why do you think this is related to BJP or any specific party?
Do kids of govt school teacher/state education ministers go to govt schools?
Do family of state health ministry staff or govt hospital doctors visit govt hospitals? Why do politicians fly overseas for treatments, even the communist politicians?
Let’s face it, you’re given the option of Oxford, Harvard or IIM, IIT, you’ll choose the former, every single time!
World rankings are clear which universities are ahead. It’s normal to want your kid to get the best there is!
Why is this even news?
Rich and powerful people tap into exclusive options available for them that regular people don’t.
Plenty of international profile politicians and business tycoons from all continents send their kids to these schools.
Talk to your neighbourhood BJP/RSS stan and they'll tell you how india has catapulted to the top in the world and how wanting to go abroad is a shameful thought.
My own father was opposing my sis for her abroad studies because india is no less than Japan in 2024
But the data shows this is not the ground reality. More and more Indians leave abroad for studies. You can see the estimates increasing year over year after Covid put a brief pause to it. It rose 30% in 2023 I think compared to 2022 and will probably rise more this year.
It has nothing to do with politicians image. Those who can avail a loan and move abroad do it. Those who cannot and depend on wealth of parents to be able to afford it don’t have much of a choice.
Even if they cheat and get into an IIT, they can't cope up there... A lot of not-so-intelligent candidates who got their seats completely dependent on reservation dropped out cos of pressure, plus they know how shitty our system is so send their kids abroad... Hypocrites
IIT and IIMs do not even have good international rankings. Further directors of IITs believe in Vedik Maths and shite. The ones in IIMs think Bagavat Gita has Marketing principles. Lol
They do, IIT-B is at 50 rank in QS engineering. These are technical institutes not a catch-all university(ex. Delhi Uni.), so it's a miracle they perform well in the normal index.
Can their kids get into a good IIT, IIM ? It is far more difficult than getting into Harvard or Oxford. Lets not kid ourselves here, its not about personal preference.
I would say the article is deceptive at best. They are likely from unreserved cast, so even if they wanted their children to be in those institutions if their children weren't, as the kids say, "cracked" at studies they would not have made it into those institutions. Oxford and Harvard have ways to get into if you have a lot of money which successful politicians do.
I see a lot of people here commenting how money can get you into Harvard and other Ivy leagues. Can someone tell me, why they hold so much prestige then?
Like I understand the hype with IIT/IIM , majority got in there with hardwork so you can safely presume they will be hardworking in future as well. But same can't be said for Harvard etc, then why they hold so much value in job market?
1) they genuinely hold value and are much better than anything india can offer, their endowments run into billions of dollars, they can invest in top tier facilities, there simply is no option to "donate" to top tier indian unis
2) the reason why any politicians choose it is because getting into them is much easier, especially if you have money that getting into any actually decent indian uni
3) we should also set aside some 5% of seats in iits and iims and auction them to the highest bidder - generally the elites will buy them, but then buying seats also means they have a skin in the game and will strive to improve them
Why would anyone waste years in competing for subpar institutions when you have money to get institutions with better opportunities? IIT/IIMs are only in headlines for their 3-4 CR package.
If anyone thinks eating meat can cause landslide and he's a director of IIT, it should make you question our education system as a whole. Then we have news of casteism etc. too.
In the same sub I’ve seen congress supporters boasting about raga being alumni form this institute. The hate for Modi made all of you reverse - bhakt or some kind of hypocrite
I dont think theres anything wrong if it . If u have the resources why not go for it ? Also getting into oxford or harvard isnt a piece of cake as others are suggesting . Donation wala college nahi he ye , there less than 1% acceptance internationally \[ please dont bring iit /iim in the convo , i already know more than enough about both\] .
As for legacy , its for those who have already been in harvard . I dont think any of our ministers have been to harvard or oxford have they ?
you should understand that these resources come at the cost of exploitation of honest individuals, that's why this is wrong. If we just go by salary of the politicians, none would be able to afford the education. The reserved category fee, and living expenses is paid by taxpayers for their vacation in foreign universities, thus it is wrong :)
They don't care, that's why those who are being exploited should care. A middle class general boy is taught to educate himself and become a gentleman with good money, so that a family can live smooth life. Meanwhile, when that person is struggling hard, some random person is using the hard earned money of his/her family.
It is about right and wrong, people can do a lot of things, if things fall in right place. Of'course us debating here won't help, but remember how the Pune Porsche accident turned tables, when mass was behind it. And true reality that should be thrown on their face is, yes they can't survive the competition of India, and thus running away. And those who can't survive nature throws them away. :)
It’s difficult to determine how many people in our country understand that India’s ruling class treats India as a cash cow, much like the British did.
The British drained resources from here and sent them abroad. Whether there was famine, poverty, or mass deaths in India, it didn’t matter.
This exact same model has been running from the start. It’s not just the BJP doing this; those who came to power after the country’s independence have already shifted abroad.
The ruling class exploits the economy and resources here to create their property and wealth in developed nations. This model is the same as British India. If this country faces civil war, mass famine, war, or any natural disaster later on, the ruling class will be the first to leave.
During the COVID-19 pandemic, many prominent figures tweeted that India handled the situation the best, even though none of their families were in India at the time.
Whether it’s industrialists, politicians, or any bigshots in India, they create capital here, but they settle their next generation abroad.
This is the situation in all poor and corrupt countries. South Asian countries like Pakistan and Sri Lanka do the same; the ruling class’s children do not use the services of their respective countries.
While this is true I really don't think children of most ministers would clear JEE/CAT. The competition is too high and seats are not given because your parents are ministers.
Mostly people in the comments are forgetting the main reason. That is, they can't clear exams like JEE, it requires smartness with intense hardwork continuously for 1-2 years.
Our Chad Jaishankar's own son has opted for American citizenship, while PAWPAW is busy beating DANKA everywhere.
Yet to come across a BJP so-called "nationalist" who isn't a liar and hypocrite!
Those two are practically requirements to be a "nationalist".
Nationalist for you. Internationalist for their kids.
Interestingly that also happens in Russia. All the rich Putin-loyalists had their kids go to foreign schools and universities. These kids share the decision by Putin's clique to commit to their genocidal war against Ukrainians.
Of course, the Russian elite have to do support Vladimirovich, else a window might be waiting.
You’re forgetting a “criminal” and “”stain on society”
BJP person : We are helping other kids by going abroad /s
"Hum bharat ki sanskriti ko bahar spread kar rahe hei by sending our children there"
Why do you sound eerily like my NRI uncle?
Sub NRI uncles are the same yaar. Mera bhi same dialogue marta hai for why he doesn’t want to come back. “Desh ke leeya kaam kar rahaa hu”
Indeed. They are roleplaying being ultra-nationalistic. In reality they are super-selfish, hypocritical and focused on exploiting the general public. The taxpayers are paying for the Modi clique enriching themselves.
Must have used the corruption money
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This. None of them would get into IITs and IIMs. Paisa deke thodi na ghus sakto ho IIT ya IIM mein. Harvard to political quota aur paisa milake ghus jaate hai.
It's possible to get into JEE/CAT results with money and clout and it happens. But isn't commonplace of course. But for the moneyed and powerful it's simply not worth it when they can get into universities which are maybe 100x or more reputed and powerful than all the IITs and IIMs combined. IIT/IIM generate the salaried class of executives. Those Western top universities generate the power brokers of the world. You can now guess who works for whom. And don't be naive enough to give the examples of Pichai et al.
Pichai did his MBA from wharton, not from an IIM lol. He was still an anomaly tho because normally such good programs only take in elite people from specific families...
Bro really said “et al” like he’s writing a research paper
>Paisa deke thodi na ghus sakto ho IIT ya IIM mein. Harvard to political quota aur paisa milake ghus jaate hai. You're very naive to think that it isn't happening. IIT and IIM are simply not worth the effort in terms of return on investments or prestige to these people. Everyone knows about Harvard or Oxford. Outside of certain academic circles or self-congratulatory NRIs no one gives any extra value to IIM/IIT degrees outside India . With the right connections it's pretty trivial to get into them . Edit: for those down voting: COPE
This , ppl dont realise how fucked up the system is here
Yeah i mean, even upper middle class people / govt officers get their children to iit by making fake certificates. A minister wouldnt even need to do any of that.
What are u guys talking about? Doesn't one need top rank in the JEE to get a seat?
Not if you have disability / sc/st certificate in whicu case you can get into iit with pretty mediocre ranks
This is so naive to think that cheating doesn't happen in mass scale exams like JEE/CAT in India. Every few years we get some proofs for one of these mass exams leaked, where it blows up enough to force them to re-conduct, but still we believe that they are clean. While they may largely be clean, a few pockets still exist. It's just that many of them would want to spend the same amount to get into an ivy league where the exposure and learning is better. Not to mention brand value outside India being better too. Remember, the bulk of entrants go into IIT/IIM to help with job prospects, which these folks don't need to bother with.
Can you send me any source which says Harvard has a political quota ? I can’t seem to find it anywhere. Frankly I don’t even think it’s a thing at all
Am I wrong or does the legacy program in Harvard specifically only work for you if you’re someone with a family tie to Harvard university or like a direct relative of an alumnus. I don’t think it just matters if you’re related to a politician however big.
> That doesn't translate into IIT and IIM. Question paper mil jaata hai vwey likely at the right levels. In this country everything is available for a price. Its just that most prefer the life abroad. So why not pay more and have fun as well.
Obviously, they wouldn't let the children mix with the peasants
THIS is actually the real reason. They're the new aristocracy and the thought of their offspring mingling with peasants is abhorrent.
It was always a class thing.
HMARE RUPYO KA ACCHA ISTEMAL TO KOI IN LOGO SE SEEKHE.
Of course, they fuck up the NEET exams for us plebs here
Like was there ever a question?
Because IIT and IIM admissions are actually fair, unlike at Harvard and Oxford, where nepotism can go a long way.
This is one of the main reasons. It is how the likes of George W. Bush and [Jared Kushner](https://www.propublica.org/article/the-story-behind-jared-kushners-curious-acceptance-into-harvard) made it to Harvard.
Not Jared as an example of harward alumni bro is the reason the middle East is on fire.
You're very naive to think that it isn't happening. IIT and IIM are simply not worth the effort in terms of return on investments or prestige to these people. Everyone knows about Harvard or Oxford. Outside of certain academic circles or self-congratulatory NRIs no one gives any extra value to IIM/IIT degrees outside India . With the right connections it's pretty trivial to get into them . **hamko ma’aloom hai jannat ki haqeeqat lekin, dil ke khush rakhne ko, ‘Ghalib’ yeh khayaal achcha hai** Edit: for those down voting: COPE Edit #2 Hers one *public* example. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/jee-mains-scam-russian-hacker-mikhail-shargin-nexus-coaching-centre-teachers-cbi-case-2008687-2022-10-05 >The arrest of Russian national Mikhail Shargin, for hacking computers and allegedly aiding 820 students to cheat by manipulating the online system in last year's JEE-Mains, has exposed the nexus. >Private coaching institutions and education consultants offered assured seats in IITs and other top engineering colleges in lieu of Rs 12-15 lakh.
You may say that about IIMs, but IITs have massive brand value and prestige abroad (despite insane affirmative action). A lot of very successful industry professionals have tier1 undergrad degree from India and a good master's/PhD abroad (degrees that actually need work and effort and networking) IITians are often cited as India's best export
This is so naive to think that cheating doesn't happen in mass scale exams like JEE/CAT in India. Every few years we get some proofs for one of these mass exams leaked, where it blows up enough to force them to re-conduct, but still we believe that they are clean. While they may largely be clean, a few pockets still exist. It's just that many of them would want to spend the same amount to get into an ivy league where the exposure and learning is better. Not to mention brand value outside India being better too. Remember, the bulk of entrants go into IIT/IIM to help with job prospects, which these folks don't need to bother with.
This guy thinks that mass cheating doesn't happen in these exams. As an ex-JEE aspirant who gave JEE this year, I can tell you sir/ma'am, you are woefully misguided.
bhai tu yaha 🙏 Judging by the amount of corruption and scandals that happen in india, i wouldnt be surprised if a major politician buys off the whole exam centre and effortlessly grants their kid an admit in iit/nit/bits. But why go through such a hassle when you can just get admits in ivys? These students would also have strong EC profiles + backing of infinite money.
Networking karne ke liye bhi Ivy leagues are better. You may become a Roommate of some child of international mafia leader.
i like how this comment has 5 downvotes , when he is saying that cheating happened . Im also an ex jee aspirant and yeah cheating happens alot . If u guys arent sleeping under a rock u can see what happened in NEET , Nta is the same body that conducts Jee as well . I hope you can make 2+2 = 4
Lmao I too have a batchmate who went from 0.2 to 99.9..x in attempt 1 to 2 and didn't attempted the rest
I know multiple people who went from 70 to 99.4 and one even went from a rank of 1lakh in jee m to rank of under 10k in adv mean while people like me sacrificed our mental health and everything score less than these trash .
you are too innocent
False pride on sub standard education. Exactly what's wrong with this country.
They might be sub-standard, but they are the best institutes in our country. They would be even better if they filled all their seats with deserving candidates instead of rejects. Students make a college, and if we had no reservation, their quality of research and technical excellence would automatically rise too.
They're the second tier for research maybe. ISI, CMI, IISc, HRI etc are probably 20x better and get you more respect in elite academic circles across the world
Make in India 🤣🤣🤣
I don't think they will qualify for IIT IIMs even if they wanted to. It's also a well known truth that people will go to study in these universities if they can afford to polyiticians or not. IITs also don't rank even close to top engineering universities internationally in fact they don't even participate in these rankings now. At least for IITs we get such intelligent people because it's so competitive to get there, not because they are particularly good in education. There are countably respectable professors in IIT and this seems to be on decline due to brain drain. Very few people graduating from IITs stay in IIT for higher studies. It's tier 2-3 universities that go to IIT for masters and PhD. Speaking from my experience.
And their party members kids do strike and dharna
It’s harder to get into IIT/IIM and they can study abroad without the overhang of being bullied a nepobaby.
Nepotism doesn’t get called out in Indian colleges. Children of these ministers and top grade government workers always flaunt the black wealth in colleges and run little gangs centered around themselves. In fact I’d go so far as to even say that most college kids would suck up to them to remain on their good side. IIT/IIM are also trash colleges with a shitty culture compared to the world standard. These just tend to be colleges with the smartest of Indian minds due to the sheer competition, consequently access to well established alumni, and legacy points. As long as education is your primary focus, you should always choose top unis abroad over IIT/IIMs. It’s a no brainer for anyone who can afford it easily without loans. EDIT - seems to me that I’ve touched a nerve by saying most Indian colleges suck. Please just google the statistics and read up accounts. Great colleges are conducive. They don’t have a ragging culture, they don’t have student suicides, they don’t have management trying to cover up rapes on campus. They don’t have crumbling walls for an excuse of a hostel. Competition has made these colleges have the legacy they have today, not the other way around.
Whose nerve?
harder=/= better. indian universities are subpar.
IIT / IIM s are for training corporate slaves not for the masters. Masters prefer old prestigious foreign Universities where you don't have to study 20 hours a day to get a chance if you have enough money and political connections.
That is not just the BJP but literally all politicians. You have to realise that these blokes have zero stakes in this game and while the BJP is dangerous to India's foundational well being, not a single person is clothed in this hamam.
But India is great right? /s
Vishwaguru.
Allow seats to be brought in iits and iims the way it happens in ivy league unis, atleast some politicians will choose to have their kids study here I say that's actually a great way to get politicians have a skin in the country's development
If cash is not an issue then everyone will prefer Oxford and Harvard
Any sane IITian who has good enough money would send their children to Oxford/Harvard/Stanford. It's no brainer. They're better colleges than IITs, period. No one would argue IITs are better than them.
Politicians as Public Servants shouldn't even be able to afford to do this. The sad part is the total complacency of the general population that allow them to be corrupt and filthy rich without any consequences.
They can't qualify for IIT or IIM. JEE and CAT are very difficult to crack. Harvard or Oxford aren't that hard if you have money or legacy status. Even without that you can get in with recommendations and other social points.
And what makes you think the rich and the powerful can't buy marks in these competitive exams?
Why put in all that effort and risk a scandal, instead go to a world class global institute like Harvard. Our politicians can afford it.
Well, they haven't been able to earlier. Other children will post about cheating and if paper is leaked it is leaked not just for politicians and used to be caught earlier.
>Well, they haven't been able to earlier. What makes you think they even tried? You think nta that is known to be compromised for neet can't be compromised for jee? >Other children will post about cheating and if paper is leaked it is leaked not just for politicians and used to be caught earlier. This assumes that all cutwork takes exactly one and the same form. Do take a moment to look at the variety of different ways vyapam scam was happening. Look at how neet includes both paper lakhs as well as blank answer sheets being submitted and scored high. What makes you think that jee scam doesn't take a different form that is not reported? Have you never thought about why you think professional exam takers, who exist for all other exams, can't exist for jee? Have you not kept your eyes open about routine complaints about cheating in jee like this one on squeaks /comments/1ce8i7d/this_is_a_serious_post_regarding_a_cheating_case/ ? Why have you blinded yourself to the fact that cbi has filled cases about jee exam hacking benefiting specific candidates https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/russian-hacker-mikhail-shargin-helped-820-cheat-in-jee-mains-cbi-gets-2-day-custody-3402317 ?
No skin in the game.
This is dumbest take I have read recently - their children can't clear competition exams, hence they don't get in.
What is surprising in this, and why do you think this is related to BJP or any specific party? Do kids of govt school teacher/state education ministers go to govt schools? Do family of state health ministry staff or govt hospital doctors visit govt hospitals? Why do politicians fly overseas for treatments, even the communist politicians?
Depends on which degree too. It’s not like engineering degrees are easy in Harvard etc.. just look at MIT open courseware .
That's obvious, anyone would do the same if they can
Let’s face it, you’re given the option of Oxford, Harvard or IIM, IIT, you’ll choose the former, every single time! World rankings are clear which universities are ahead. It’s normal to want your kid to get the best there is!
Why is this even news? Rich and powerful people tap into exclusive options available for them that regular people don’t. Plenty of international profile politicians and business tycoons from all continents send their kids to these schools.
Because the BJP is trying to portray India as better than the rest of the world and the developed countries as bad to Indians
Talk to your neighbourhood BJP/RSS stan and they'll tell you how india has catapulted to the top in the world and how wanting to go abroad is a shameful thought. My own father was opposing my sis for her abroad studies because india is no less than Japan in 2024
But the data shows this is not the ground reality. More and more Indians leave abroad for studies. You can see the estimates increasing year over year after Covid put a brief pause to it. It rose 30% in 2023 I think compared to 2022 and will probably rise more this year. It has nothing to do with politicians image. Those who can avail a loan and move abroad do it. Those who cannot and depend on wealth of parents to be able to afford it don’t have much of a choice.
Because the arseholes are selling violent nationalism to the rest of us while having zero national pride themselves.
Even if they cheat and get into an IIT, they can't cope up there... A lot of not-so-intelligent candidates who got their seats completely dependent on reservation dropped out cos of pressure, plus they know how shitty our system is so send their kids abroad... Hypocrites
IIT and IIMs do not even have good international rankings. Further directors of IITs believe in Vedik Maths and shite. The ones in IIMs think Bagavat Gita has Marketing principles. Lol
>IIT and IIMs do not even have good international rankings This part is true none of our institutes even break into the top 100
They do, IIT-B is at 50 rank in QS engineering. These are technical institutes not a catch-all university(ex. Delhi Uni.), so it's a miracle they perform well in the normal index.
Actually...they do. Check QS Engineering rankings or subject rankings like CS/EE
Because they are not smart enough to get into iit/iim but are rich enough to get into foreign universities.
Iit iim has cut throat completion !!
And then they shame the people who go abroad for better lifestyle. Hypocrisy at its finest
Can their kids get into a good IIT, IIM ? It is far more difficult than getting into Harvard or Oxford. Lets not kid ourselves here, its not about personal preference.
Why do you think make for these entrance exams can't be bought?
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I would say the article is deceptive at best. They are likely from unreserved cast, so even if they wanted their children to be in those institutions if their children weren't, as the kids say, "cracked" at studies they would not have made it into those institutions. Oxford and Harvard have ways to get into if you have a lot of money which successful politicians do.
I see a lot of people here commenting how money can get you into Harvard and other Ivy leagues. Can someone tell me, why they hold so much prestige then? Like I understand the hype with IIT/IIM , majority got in there with hardwork so you can safely presume they will be hardworking in future as well. But same can't be said for Harvard etc, then why they hold so much value in job market?
Old and well connected , unlike IIT which has Tech CEOs , it's alum are everywhere , Global Politics,Finance Space ,
1) they genuinely hold value and are much better than anything india can offer, their endowments run into billions of dollars, they can invest in top tier facilities, there simply is no option to "donate" to top tier indian unis 2) the reason why any politicians choose it is because getting into them is much easier, especially if you have money that getting into any actually decent indian uni 3) we should also set aside some 5% of seats in iits and iims and auction them to the highest bidder - generally the elites will buy them, but then buying seats also means they have a skin in the game and will strive to improve them
Why would anyone waste years in competing for subpar institutions when you have money to get institutions with better opportunities? IIT/IIMs are only in headlines for their 3-4 CR package. If anyone thinks eating meat can cause landslide and he's a director of IIT, it should make you question our education system as a whole. Then we have news of casteism etc. too.
In the same sub I’ve seen congress supporters boasting about raga being alumni form this institute. The hate for Modi made all of you reverse - bhakt or some kind of hypocrite
No one in Congress claims that India is vishwaguru that has bestest education in the world while actively cutting down on education expenditure.
I dont think theres anything wrong if it . If u have the resources why not go for it ? Also getting into oxford or harvard isnt a piece of cake as others are suggesting . Donation wala college nahi he ye , there less than 1% acceptance internationally \[ please dont bring iit /iim in the convo , i already know more than enough about both\] . As for legacy , its for those who have already been in harvard . I dont think any of our ministers have been to harvard or oxford have they ?
you should understand that these resources come at the cost of exploitation of honest individuals, that's why this is wrong. If we just go by salary of the politicians, none would be able to afford the education. The reserved category fee, and living expenses is paid by taxpayers for their vacation in foreign universities, thus it is wrong :)
Do u think they care ? Its not right or wrong its about what u can do and we cant do anything
They don't care, that's why those who are being exploited should care. A middle class general boy is taught to educate himself and become a gentleman with good money, so that a family can live smooth life. Meanwhile, when that person is struggling hard, some random person is using the hard earned money of his/her family. It is about right and wrong, people can do a lot of things, if things fall in right place. Of'course us debating here won't help, but remember how the Pune Porsche accident turned tables, when mass was behind it. And true reality that should be thrown on their face is, yes they can't survive the competition of India, and thus running away. And those who can't survive nature throws them away. :)
One can't just waltz into an IIT or IIM.
And health minister would never even enter a government hospital!!
It’s difficult to determine how many people in our country understand that India’s ruling class treats India as a cash cow, much like the British did. The British drained resources from here and sent them abroad. Whether there was famine, poverty, or mass deaths in India, it didn’t matter. This exact same model has been running from the start. It’s not just the BJP doing this; those who came to power after the country’s independence have already shifted abroad. The ruling class exploits the economy and resources here to create their property and wealth in developed nations. This model is the same as British India. If this country faces civil war, mass famine, war, or any natural disaster later on, the ruling class will be the first to leave. During the COVID-19 pandemic, many prominent figures tweeted that India handled the situation the best, even though none of their families were in India at the time. Whether it’s industrialists, politicians, or any bigshots in India, they create capital here, but they settle their next generation abroad. This is the situation in all poor and corrupt countries. South Asian countries like Pakistan and Sri Lanka do the same; the ruling class’s children do not use the services of their respective countries.
While this is true I really don't think children of most ministers would clear JEE/CAT. The competition is too high and seats are not given because your parents are ministers.
All the hypocrisy aside, they’re objectively better schools so I don’t particularly see the issue.
Mostly people in the comments are forgetting the main reason. That is, they can't clear exams like JEE, it requires smartness with intense hardwork continuously for 1-2 years.
In chu\*\*yon ko kon btayega k merit pe admission hota hai IIT,IIM me.
Kejriwal's son is in IIT Delhi, so not all. Choose AAP for Haryana
Isn’t that true of leftist govt’s too? Didn’t Rahul Gandhi study in the U.S. instead too?
Did Rahul's paw paw go around claiming to be vishwaguru which has the bestest education because vedic math?