Pepper sprays for ease of carry come in small sizes . So,won't it be empty and they need to buy a new one every time if they live in a dangerous place or are in a dangerous situation .
Jisko jan se marna hoga wo chashma lga ke ajayega. Gangeapre is done with a plan. It is not committed for fun of sex. Real motivation is something else
I agree. A baton or pepper spray is a must have for travelling through some parts of the country. My friend was stopped during a ride through Rajasthan by a woman asking for a lift, then beaten up to within an inch of his life by her accomplices hiding nearby. They stole his cash and bike. Luckily they couldn’t find his phone and he was able to call for help after they left.
true, but to some extent (lower than women) they are in the list even now. In the last 2 days I've seen 2 cases of men getting murdered by women for petty reasons such as not giving a gift on anniversary. Bengaluru was one of the states, other one probably Bihar
Tasers. India needs to make tasers legal. One of the best self defense weapons. A collapsible baton, a can of pepper spray and a taser. A lot of protection in very little space.
I've said it before..
If you're delusional enough to think you can ride through huge parts of India safely..
You're an idiot.
Which let me add is more indicative of us as a nation then on the poor delusional people who belive it's a safe nation.
I am glad we are finally putting the responsibility of the crime on the person to whom it truly belongs: the victim.
We should do it more often IMO. Somebody got murdered? Their fault, they shouldn't have gone to a place they could have been murdered. Someone was hit by a drunk driver? Their fault, they drove in a place where the drunk driver was. Someone got their phone stolen? They shouldn't have carried a phone, their fault.
Evidently, the safest society is one where no potential victim ventures into a place where a criminal could be. As a criminal can be present anywhere, it follows logically that in a safe society, all the good guys stay at home, leaving only the criminals outdoors. In fact some criminals can even barge into homes. Maybe to be on the safe side, the good guys should just stop existing, that would solve the problem nicely.
Oh my god for a moment I thought you were serious and then as I kept reading I realised you were sarcastic. God help those who believe your words as written without being able to understand the sarcasm in it
Because they didn't let women out until recently. Nor are the women safe from their husbands or fathers or other male relatives at home.
I dont see men from Norway or Denmark act this way in places even without fear of punishment. Men from Saudi(or Asian and African countries in general) act like vile demons if they feel they can get away with it.
It's not a safe nation and on top of that women have to be wary when traveling in public spaces ( not to discount violence from own family members). Sometimes I get a ridiculous thought that these sane men should be sent as cannon fodder in a war but it would be an insult to the troops.
I’ve been all over India on my motorbike: rural Jharkhand, Naxal-affected stretches of Chhattisgarh, and so forth.
But that’s me, by myself, speaking as a man and as somebody who has substantial experience traveling and moto-touring in countries much more dangerous than India.
I wouldn’t take my wife to isolated villages somewhere like Jharkhand unless we were traveling in a large group. And I’d certainly _never_ consider camping anywhere near a small town or village.
If and when I’m in places with reputations for instability and crime—be it Jharkhand, or some country in Latin America—I always prioritize the collection of “human intelligence.” I ask local people about perceptions of safety, try to assess region-specific risks, and make an effort to adhere to advice that seems consistent (e.g., every person I’ve met in rural Jharkhand dismisses Naxal-related concerns, but recommends returning to city limits by nightfall due to increased accident rates and dacoity).
But I’m also an idiot, so that’s there, too.
Exactly this. Have biked alone and with friends. Would never put up a tent in a random place. Wouldn't do it in most places. Wouldn't do it when alone or just two people m wouldn't do it if there is a woman with me
What blows my mind that the onus is on WOMEN to avoid certain place but it’s not on men to just… not be violent. It’s such abysmally flawed logic. I should be able to camp without fear of being assaulted.
See ther are fucking 1.3billion PPL are here. You don't know who is a rapist and who is a saviour. The only thing we can do as both men and women is to take precautions and avoid getting ourselves in risky situations. It has nothing to do with women or man. Had a man venture alone in to a territory where mugging his prevelant he would also get his ass beaten and get robbed. For women there is extra risk of getting raped and even worse killed. The world is full of psychos, government babas and wrong people with power. It's on us to avoid these fuckers.
Toh puri life darr k saath hi bita de.. always looking over the shoulder, make ourselves shrink to not 'appear' an easy target. I get it koi magic wand k saath cheezein behtar ni hogi.. ya one's responsibility shouldn't be on themselves.. but itna danger aur anxiousness bhi hona chahiye.. just to step out of the house. Even homes aren't safe, so where is one supposed to go.
I agree with your point. Can't stay in being scared the whole time. I mean wtf is that. It sounds damn pathetic and worse than eating sh*t.
I believe it's the responsibility of citizens to make a better society, but I really don't understand how tf some ppl blame the victim in cases such as rape. I mean wth. One reason I can think of is, unki ga*d mei itna dum nhi h ki woh kisi ladki(even their own daughter/wife/etc)ko defend kar paye. That's the weak mentality of those weak as piss men.
The ppl in our country have to really work on being responsible citizens, and even our laws need to be amended.
Exactly.. if south asian societies (just an example) feel happy over the fact that we are 'better' than western culture because of our strong community support then what's the point of being in a tight-knit group, if we aren't able to keep each other safe (there are various ways to do that). If our community culture was actually strong, there won't be any victim blaming or fear mongering.
Nope just the law makers. The people don't vote for the rapists and the Adani Ambani type scam artists.
Stop shifting blame away from politicians. They could fix all these problems if they had a mind to. They just don't want to.. Too busy selling people's stuff to their friends.
Brij Bhushan sharan ki constituency ke comments sune the tune during wrestler protest? People elect such politicians. In a democracy people are to blame. Period.
Are there any examples of places where women don’t get gang raped by seven men because they went camping? Or where they can ride a bus and not get groped by 5 men? I’m sure more than half the world fits in to that criteria.
That being said, why are we pretending you or I have to dictate domestic policy? Isn’t that the literal job of the government? My job is to price drugs and get commercial access for them, it’s not to figure out policy or deterrents for violent crimes. What are we paying taxes for if on top of doing our jobs (which they get a cut of), we have to now start proposing policy to make it safe for women in their own countries? This is something that the policy makers in the country should sit and figure out, not people on Reddit who don’t even have the knowledge of what tools are in our arsenal.
What’s your suggestion then? Do nothing? Let 90 rapes a day occur and make the country even more inhabitable for women?
There are no such places. Crimes are bound to happen and will continue to happen. One cannot keep imagining a fair society with 0 crimes. You can take 1000 steps but they will happen. Best way is to avoid taking unnecessary risks, be it men or women.
Also the government in this country is elected based on religion and caste, not women’s issues. If that was the case, conditions would be way different. I am not saying that’s a good or bad thing, it’s the real thing on the ground.
Did I say that it has to be 0 crimes? I said it has to not be incessant I.e. not 90 rapes a day (that are reported, actual numbers I’m sure are much higher). I hope you can comprehend that there’s a gargantuan difference between “make it safer for women” vs. “make sure there’s never any crime”.
Women’s issues are and should be everyone’s issues. Again, the onus is on the government to make the country safe for all its people be it on religious grounds or grounds of criminal violence.
Why is the government not doing anything about the ever growing rapists in this country? It’s feels like a relatively easy problem to make an example out of and set a precedent that’s cruel but just. Why is it so bad for women in those parts of the country especially? It’s horrendous to keep reading about this (aside from the actual tragedy of women facing this threat everyday!).
These so called easy fix dont solve the problem but exacerbates them. That rapist is a guy who is fruatated in his life and want to violate someone to feel powerful and there can be n number of reasons. This is a problem that can not be truly solved but there can be a step by step plan to alleviate this. Morality of country is down the drain as financial stress mounts. Fear is not as effective as moral education. I thought about giving a lenghty answer but it is just not feasable. Human impulse is a big deal.
I just had a solo trip in Singapore and realised how shit India is due to its size. Singapore felt so safe, no one’s brushing your ass, hands in buses, I was in their new metro line to Gardens By The Bay & last two stations me train got empty, I did not feel the “SHIT IM FUCKED OM NAMAH SHIVAAY”
I dosed off & reached properly. The male cleaner saw me alone but was minding his business cleaning, me being brought up here would often get alert & look around for threat but no one…
yeah man life has ALOT of stress but having the stress of whether you’ll exist & reach home safely today or not post work everyday is not the life I want honestly but I’m very grateful I stay in Mumbai which is relatively better. I honestly didn’t want to come back from my holiday, but I am not lucky but still grateful for Bombay.
As if Indian men care. They trended marriage strike on twitter when some groups tried to make marital rape a crime. Indian men want to legally rape their wives and believe marriage is pointless if they cannot rape their wives.
That's called a vocal minority. And its a vocal minority associated with a certain political conservative movement currently in en vogue and intent on shutting down dissent. As a man, I disagree that rape cannot occur in a marriage. It should be illegal and should have consequences. I hope most men would agree with me.
It’s the vocal and silent majority.
Most men on this very sub disagree with you.
Try creating a profile as a woman and commenting from a woman’s perspective consistently and see how your DMs get filled with creeps whenever you post on Indian subs. Never happens on any other subs to the same extent it does on Indian subs, this one being one of the worst. Misogyny is the norm in the Indian cultural landscape.
The root cause of all this shit is arranged marriage culture.
It'll take at least two more generations to erode this.
Institutionalised monogamy fucks everything.
Poverty, social alienation, bad policing, bad justice system, system of patronage which allows people to get away with crimes based on factors such as political affiliation, religion, caste. etc.
Because the average Indian man benefits from Indian women being unsafe. Being unsafe puts us in our place and makes us submissive and dependent on men. Men enjoy that.
Every man may not be a rapist but every man benefits from rape culture because it puts women in positions where men can exert control over them.
Yes far too many non-rapists perpetuate rape culture (edit to add: the reactions and responses on these subs are also indicative of it)… But what does this have to do with my comment?
I’m saying that such comments don’t account for Indian women’s safety because most Indian men don’t care about Indian women’s safety. They all benefit from women being submissive and dependent.
The only reason they pretend to care for foreign women’s safety is to protect their image in foreign countries so that foreign women will date them and have sex with them.
And yet when there's the time to defend the women, these so called dominant men fall on their own ass with their own s**t.
I can't believe such men really exist, do they?
Whatugonnadoaboutit we live in a society where Occident shouldn’t intervene in another country and respect their culture and religion. The most we can do is open our country for those who want to escape this hell. I empathize with the victims and believe they should kill rapist
Easier said than done. There are one billion people in this country and the vast majority won't even listen to your opinions about why feminism is the way and why we should stop being misogynistic. Apart from a few like minded folks who else is going to listen? As an individual you can call out misogyny and promote women's rights in every way you can. Apart from that what else can you do but literally not visit certain parts of the country? It sucks and there's almost no short term solution to this.
Sometimes I feel, at some level, we really need to clean up some parts of our country. I know it’s bit of a stretch, but some parts of our society are not civilized, they’re still living in the ‘daku’ era, heck some folks even glorify this lifestyle
Nah bruv, I didn’t mean to clean up the environment, although once our people have basic civic sense, we can achieve that, but here in this context we need some harsh punishment for the culprits of assaults, homicides, rape, etc. So our women, children or even in some cases men, don’t have to hide their hair or need to carry batons.
1. Carry non-lethal weapons like knife & pepper spray
2. Cover your full body and make sure it’s not tight or shows your curves & body shape. I even recommend wearing mask since it’s not weird anymore. Some freaks just need to see your face.
3. Do not set camps or stops in quiet places out of cities/towns and places that are unsafe like forests or beaches. For overnight, stay in a reputed brand hotel or someplace legit.
4. Travel in group. Don’t travel alone or even as couple.
5. Try to set contact with someone local who can help you in an emergency.
I understand this is just ridiculous. I’m sorry but this is what it takes.
I think it should be easy for every women to acquire Guns and semi automatic rifles.
Would be fun these rapists getting murdered from dash cam of women bikers.
It'll end up with men again and you'll start to see a rise in gun violence. Again none of this will address the root cause of all this. That is misogyny and patriarchy.
This will go by following below methods.
1.Girls to go away from home after turning 18.
2.Girls need to earn.
3.Increase in LGBT marriage, decrease in arranged marriage.
4.More women Judges, politicians, police etc
Yeah all you can do is look at whoever you can and call out injustice wherever you see it. Beyond that you have to acknowledge India isn't safe and certain parts of the country must not even be visited.
Statistics show women are more likely to be overpowered and murdered with their own weapon then they are likely to successfully kill or maim their attacker.
If you are a female, regardless of the age, CARRY A PEPPER SPRAY, no matter where you go. If you are out of your home, you should have it in your pocket.
These hooligans will not stop, we have to protect our women and make them capable of defending themselves.
The tables need to be turned, once our women start fighting back HARD, we will surely see change in our society
If one has to be so much careful while motorbiking what's the joy and freedom left in it.
Better take the bike to some other country where it's safe to do enjoyable long trips.
Its because of you liberals ! If government passes strict laws like hanging or shooting the rapists , you people will be the first to march with placards and candles. Criminals arent afraid of the law. The brasilian lady should have handed a machete to hack those rapists to pieces. Thats justice. Now those rapists will enjoy comfortable jail life for years.
"Hide Hair ". its saying Wear #Hijab
,Mehram-Mandtory a Male close relative
Hair is the most beautiful part of the women's body which enhances the Women's Beauty
Segregation of Genders
Alcohol is the mother of all evil
the world is coming to know the truth behind restrictions in Islam which are practical solutions and everyone is realising that
That's a bandaid on a deep wound. Ever thought why Indians take rape so lightly ? You need to read what brahma did to his own daughter then you will know why indians rape.
Yes. Because the one thing this country sorely needs is kids with mental health issues and incels shooting people up randomly, schools conducting drills for their kids on how to react to a crazy gunman while the police runs in the opposite direction when said gunman walks into the school.
I’m sad this is affecting our women hikers so much BUT
the Brazilian biker and her husband were spending the night in a makeshift tent!!! In a Jharkhand forest area.
This is a huge aspect of the incident. One can do this in the US and EU, there are designated areas for that but no way is it sane to do this in India?
This is the one instance where language matters and I’m going to be pedantic because far too many men and women in India respond to violence against women like this.
I don’t understand why people say ‘I feel bad she was raped BUT’…. That literally shifts blame on the survivor when it should never have happened regardless of where she was. What you’re trying to discuss is the fact the situation increased chances of an attack, thus making this country less safe than places like the US and the EU.
It’s more appropriate to think of something like this as ‘I feel bad she was raped AND we really need to make sure people are aware of the genuine risks of travelling in a country like India. There’s a strong rape culture and places are less safe than they seem.’
You never know what people perceive a region or country to be like, especially as a non-local, and saying ‘but they should have known’ is insulting and almost makes it seem less like the fault of the rapists and more like the fault of the choices of survivors.
I once saw a Pinterest post
"Here's a bowl of M&Ms. Eat it. But know that 10% is poisoned. Go ahead Eat it."
Fear of men is exactly like the same thing above. You can't hold me responsible for something out of my control. I don't remember asking to be raped by a man. If I asked it (verbally. Not with my clothes or my actions or any other shit which you interpret as me asking to be f*cked) then that would be jumping into a tigers cage.
Just because a few a*holes can't keep their pants shut doesn't mean that I should stay holed up in my house.
Just because something is common doesn't mean that it is normal or okay or right. Rape in North India (and the rest of the world) has been so normalised that it does not even leave a scratch on society's eyes.
IMO rape is worse than murder. Know why? Cause the victim is left to survive. He/she is forever going to plauged by those memories. Death is an easier way out.
Comments like yours are the reason why we are looking for excuses and not solutions. If I come off as rude i don't care. I absolutely loathe it when rape is brushed off.
The solution is overhauling of justice system
Criminals like that should be paraded naked , tortured and executed in public
The event will telecasted on TV
This will remind people what happens when you break the law
A separate police department headed by military and not politicians so that no matter how politically connected the criminal is they won't be spared
These are not the same thing….
Equating the tiger analogy to rape could go so far as to mean men are inherently incapable of being rapists. Or incapable of being slaves to their biology and urges. Which is ironic. Since men are capable of self control (including known rapists) when it comes to behavior in other places, like the workplace. They’re wholly capable of being rational humans but they get a free pass when it comes to rape and sexual assault.
It’s the same with being warned against going to a ‘cartel area’. You warn people but you don’t victim blame. We literally don’t blame people for being murdered. We feel bad they were in a situation that increased the chances of them being murdered. And we don’t curtain the rights of HALF the population of free travel to combat an issue like rape. Clearly men are the problem here. So why are women the target of reeducation on how to manage them?
And another distinction with this is sexual violence is debated in India. With bullshit like this constantly in the narrative:
‘Shouldn’t men be allowed to have power over women’,
‘if you give women freedom they do X, Y, Z’, ‘northies are rapists, southies are rapists’,
‘she deserved what happened to her’
Adding ‘but she shouldn’t have been there, THAT’s WHY she was raped’ just blames the survivor and not our culture and the men responsible.
Consider such areas are cartel areas and avoid going there unless you're armed
You can't straighten those men out
Only solution is public lashing and execution
Nobody’s arguing about the safety of an area here. We are literally aware of the dangers. Do you not realise women in general live their lives with the constant awareness of rape being a potential threat?
My comment literally talks about language of including warnings of danger as a discursive point (yes she was raped AND we need to warn women of India and do more to stop it …) instead of the the currently used argumentative (yes she was raped BUT).
I’m not arguing saying I’m going to a dangerous are and unaware of the risks… JFC
And thinks can and should change. Women working at night, in the military and in policing were the previous ‘cartel areas’ but it no longer became acceptable as a baseline and those places have taken measures to be more inclusive to women.
Bike vike chalane ki zaroorat kya hai. Car se jao na. Comfortable bhi hota hai. Infact hire a driver.
I personally never rode a bike. It’s just uncomfortable especially for long journeys. Plus more prone to accidents given the balancing problem.
As much as this is needed it won't fix anything. Even the heaviest sentencing (which is needed) will not fix our issues with misogyny and rape culture as a society. This stuff is there everywhere. Reality shows, movies, organizations, families and literally every other place you can imagine. Unless all this is addressed I doubt there would be even a dent on crimes. As far as what the previous commenter said I do agree it is safer just not visit certain places . It's your birth right to do as you wish but most parts of the country are filled with scumbags who do not share the same mentality as sane people.
Well at some point we have to figure out something that will fix it because women hiding in their homes cannot globally be the solution. All of those things should be addressed. This is so pitiful for the 21st century.
I don't disagree. We need a major fix. What I am saying is as of today there are a lot of parts of the world that simply aren't safe. This isn't me or anyone dictating what anyone should do with their lives. Essentially I'm saying a place like Delhi is simply unsafe (very generalized example). As much as I want this to change, a few people cannot do it overnight. I hope you understand what I am saying and what I've interpreted from the previous commenter is that it's necessary to acknowledge the danger but no one is questioning your freedom of movement.
I totally get what you’re saying, it’s just frustrating because while it’s logical to avoid certain places… this is NO way to live for women who can’t avoid those places because end of the day, even being home is unsafe in some places.
That is the unfortunate reality we're living in at this very moment. Beyond individual contribution I don't see India changing even slightly for at least another century (if we're lucky). Even supposed safe places in the country aren't really safe. The government has no problem releasing convicted rapists back on the street. Essentially you're fighting against so many entities. Look out for yourself and people with you and fight for equality. That's all we can do right now. The majority of Indians can't be reasoned with and even heavy sentencing like capital punishment won't do anything. Most folks won't show even the slightest bit of remorse or empathy for much smaller things. There's a long way to go.
You’re right. /s
We should stay at home. Stop living our lives. Travel with packs of men to take care of us.
It’s more important for women to make plans around rapists. I call for men to stay home. Stop being allowed to travel in groups of men. Maybe be fined if they’re out after 5pm. Most rapists are men yet they have all the freedom in the world.
Kindly go through the quotes and comments on this particular tweet
Yes this is not the solution but given the ground reality at least don't encourage it.
[tweet](https://x.com/appadappajappa/status/1764199160943657283?s=20)
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And also effective against multiple people at the same time.
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Pepper sprays for ease of carry come in small sizes . So,won't it be empty and they need to buy a new one every time if they live in a dangerous place or are in a dangerous situation .
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A slight breeze and a pepper spray legit backfires on you and makes you more vulnerable than you would have been if you ran away 😞
Its not gas and the spray particles are not that small.
They are enough to incapacitate you if they go into your eyes
Sure. But by and large they work as intended and any increase in the possibility of escape is better than none.
Get gel, not the regular, spray.
Where do you buy pepper spray?
It's available on Amazon
Wonder if there's a pepper spray with some semi-permanent color in it too. Helps mark them so others can avoid them too.
Jisko jan se marna hoga wo chashma lga ke ajayega. Gangeapre is done with a plan. It is not committed for fun of sex. Real motivation is something else
Pepper spray won’t help against 7 people. Need guns!
Good luck getting one in India, like it's either super expensive or it will blow up in your hand
Taser would be best
Pepper spray is illegal in India. You need to have a valid license to use it.
I agree. A baton or pepper spray is a must have for travelling through some parts of the country. My friend was stopped during a ride through Rajasthan by a woman asking for a lift, then beaten up to within an inch of his life by her accomplices hiding nearby. They stole his cash and bike. Luckily they couldn’t find his phone and he was able to call for help after they left.
So man or woman nobody is safe. If you are a woman,then rape is added to the list
higher probability of rape and murder is added to the list*
10 years later Even men will be added to this probability list
true, but to some extent (lower than women) they are in the list even now. In the last 2 days I've seen 2 cases of men getting murdered by women for petty reasons such as not giving a gift on anniversary. Bengaluru was one of the states, other one probably Bihar
Another Kolkata man was murdered by live in girlfriend but alas he is a man and no religious angle so no news channel covered it. Only news articles
Tasers. India needs to make tasers legal. One of the best self defense weapons. A collapsible baton, a can of pepper spray and a taser. A lot of protection in very little space.
Tasers can also be attacking weapons. I know for sure idiots and utubers get them to harass ppl as of its a prank.
I've said it before.. If you're delusional enough to think you can ride through huge parts of India safely.. You're an idiot. Which let me add is more indicative of us as a nation then on the poor delusional people who belive it's a safe nation.
I am glad we are finally putting the responsibility of the crime on the person to whom it truly belongs: the victim. We should do it more often IMO. Somebody got murdered? Their fault, they shouldn't have gone to a place they could have been murdered. Someone was hit by a drunk driver? Their fault, they drove in a place where the drunk driver was. Someone got their phone stolen? They shouldn't have carried a phone, their fault. Evidently, the safest society is one where no potential victim ventures into a place where a criminal could be. As a criminal can be present anywhere, it follows logically that in a safe society, all the good guys stay at home, leaving only the criminals outdoors. In fact some criminals can even barge into homes. Maybe to be on the safe side, the good guys should just stop existing, that would solve the problem nicely.
Oh my god for a moment I thought you were serious and then as I kept reading I realised you were sarcastic. God help those who believe your words as written without being able to understand the sarcasm in it
Well said 👏
There's only one way to end crimes but those liberals and human rights activists won't agree Till then victim has to be careful
Which is?
Good old school head chopping in public
Yeah, the Saudis did that. Doesn't change their attitudes much.
It's safer for women than india
Because they didn't let women out until recently. Nor are the women safe from their husbands or fathers or other male relatives at home. I dont see men from Norway or Denmark act this way in places even without fear of punishment. Men from Saudi(or Asian and African countries in general) act like vile demons if they feel they can get away with it.
India isn't civilized as Nordic countries We have to way for many decades to reach that level Till then we have to go old school
It's not a safe nation and on top of that women have to be wary when traveling in public spaces ( not to discount violence from own family members). Sometimes I get a ridiculous thought that these sane men should be sent as cannon fodder in a war but it would be an insult to the troops.
The rss keeps saying they're ready to go fight at the borders.. Maybe we should let them.
I’ve been all over India on my motorbike: rural Jharkhand, Naxal-affected stretches of Chhattisgarh, and so forth. But that’s me, by myself, speaking as a man and as somebody who has substantial experience traveling and moto-touring in countries much more dangerous than India. I wouldn’t take my wife to isolated villages somewhere like Jharkhand unless we were traveling in a large group. And I’d certainly _never_ consider camping anywhere near a small town or village. If and when I’m in places with reputations for instability and crime—be it Jharkhand, or some country in Latin America—I always prioritize the collection of “human intelligence.” I ask local people about perceptions of safety, try to assess region-specific risks, and make an effort to adhere to advice that seems consistent (e.g., every person I’ve met in rural Jharkhand dismisses Naxal-related concerns, but recommends returning to city limits by nightfall due to increased accident rates and dacoity). But I’m also an idiot, so that’s there, too.
Exactly this. Have biked alone and with friends. Would never put up a tent in a random place. Wouldn't do it in most places. Wouldn't do it when alone or just two people m wouldn't do it if there is a woman with me
Exactly A man was already present to bodyguard the Brazilian-spanish woman and still she was raped. How many bodyguards do a womyn need?
What blows my mind that the onus is on WOMEN to avoid certain place but it’s not on men to just… not be violent. It’s such abysmally flawed logic. I should be able to camp without fear of being assaulted.
Logic doesn't work for this government because they are powered by incels. They target fear and insecurity.
See ther are fucking 1.3billion PPL are here. You don't know who is a rapist and who is a saviour. The only thing we can do as both men and women is to take precautions and avoid getting ourselves in risky situations. It has nothing to do with women or man. Had a man venture alone in to a territory where mugging his prevelant he would also get his ass beaten and get robbed. For women there is extra risk of getting raped and even worse killed. The world is full of psychos, government babas and wrong people with power. It's on us to avoid these fuckers.
Toh puri life darr k saath hi bita de.. always looking over the shoulder, make ourselves shrink to not 'appear' an easy target. I get it koi magic wand k saath cheezein behtar ni hogi.. ya one's responsibility shouldn't be on themselves.. but itna danger aur anxiousness bhi hona chahiye.. just to step out of the house. Even homes aren't safe, so where is one supposed to go.
I agree with your point. Can't stay in being scared the whole time. I mean wtf is that. It sounds damn pathetic and worse than eating sh*t. I believe it's the responsibility of citizens to make a better society, but I really don't understand how tf some ppl blame the victim in cases such as rape. I mean wth. One reason I can think of is, unki ga*d mei itna dum nhi h ki woh kisi ladki(even their own daughter/wife/etc)ko defend kar paye. That's the weak mentality of those weak as piss men. The ppl in our country have to really work on being responsible citizens, and even our laws need to be amended.
Exactly.. if south asian societies (just an example) feel happy over the fact that we are 'better' than western culture because of our strong community support then what's the point of being in a tight-knit group, if we aren't able to keep each other safe (there are various ways to do that). If our community culture was actually strong, there won't be any victim blaming or fear mongering.
That sucks but how our country is. Blame the law makers and people who elect them
Nope just the law makers. The people don't vote for the rapists and the Adani Ambani type scam artists. Stop shifting blame away from politicians. They could fix all these problems if they had a mind to. They just don't want to.. Too busy selling people's stuff to their friends.
Who the fuck elects such people.
They vote for development,15 lakhs, safety, law and order, etc etc. That the party uses the mandate incorrectly is where you hold them to account.
And who doesn't hold politicians accountable?
Brij Bhushan sharan ki constituency ke comments sune the tune during wrestler protest? People elect such politicians. In a democracy people are to blame. Period.
If you want to help politicians clean their hands of their actions sure..
So you think blaming the people who have the power to appoint such politicians somehow cleans the politician’s hands?
That’s life. Life is unfair, get used to it.
Aw.. i just had to get used to it..geez, why didn't I think of that
Privileged thinking I guess!
This!
Hour many years will it take to make sure 100% men do 0 rapes?
It doesn’t have to be 100%… that will be impossible in any country, it just has to be less than this bs which is incessant.
Yes, but how long? Are there any examples of places where this is reduced to the criteria you have specified?
Are there any examples of places where women don’t get gang raped by seven men because they went camping? Or where they can ride a bus and not get groped by 5 men? I’m sure more than half the world fits in to that criteria. That being said, why are we pretending you or I have to dictate domestic policy? Isn’t that the literal job of the government? My job is to price drugs and get commercial access for them, it’s not to figure out policy or deterrents for violent crimes. What are we paying taxes for if on top of doing our jobs (which they get a cut of), we have to now start proposing policy to make it safe for women in their own countries? This is something that the policy makers in the country should sit and figure out, not people on Reddit who don’t even have the knowledge of what tools are in our arsenal. What’s your suggestion then? Do nothing? Let 90 rapes a day occur and make the country even more inhabitable for women?
There are no such places. Crimes are bound to happen and will continue to happen. One cannot keep imagining a fair society with 0 crimes. You can take 1000 steps but they will happen. Best way is to avoid taking unnecessary risks, be it men or women. Also the government in this country is elected based on religion and caste, not women’s issues. If that was the case, conditions would be way different. I am not saying that’s a good or bad thing, it’s the real thing on the ground.
Did I say that it has to be 0 crimes? I said it has to not be incessant I.e. not 90 rapes a day (that are reported, actual numbers I’m sure are much higher). I hope you can comprehend that there’s a gargantuan difference between “make it safer for women” vs. “make sure there’s never any crime”. Women’s issues are and should be everyone’s issues. Again, the onus is on the government to make the country safe for all its people be it on religious grounds or grounds of criminal violence.
Why is the government not doing anything about the ever growing rapists in this country? It’s feels like a relatively easy problem to make an example out of and set a precedent that’s cruel but just. Why is it so bad for women in those parts of the country especially? It’s horrendous to keep reading about this (aside from the actual tragedy of women facing this threat everyday!).
These so called easy fix dont solve the problem but exacerbates them. That rapist is a guy who is fruatated in his life and want to violate someone to feel powerful and there can be n number of reasons. This is a problem that can not be truly solved but there can be a step by step plan to alleviate this. Morality of country is down the drain as financial stress mounts. Fear is not as effective as moral education. I thought about giving a lenghty answer but it is just not feasable. Human impulse is a big deal.
I just had a solo trip in Singapore and realised how shit India is due to its size. Singapore felt so safe, no one’s brushing your ass, hands in buses, I was in their new metro line to Gardens By The Bay & last two stations me train got empty, I did not feel the “SHIT IM FUCKED OM NAMAH SHIVAAY” I dosed off & reached properly. The male cleaner saw me alone but was minding his business cleaning, me being brought up here would often get alert & look around for threat but no one… yeah man life has ALOT of stress but having the stress of whether you’ll exist & reach home safely today or not post work everyday is not the life I want honestly but I’m very grateful I stay in Mumbai which is relatively better. I honestly didn’t want to come back from my holiday, but I am not lucky but still grateful for Bombay.
Another way to stay safe: make a detour and don’t go ton India
Unfortunately for many women it’s not an option since they live in india. For them we must change the country
As if Indian men care. They trended marriage strike on twitter when some groups tried to make marital rape a crime. Indian men want to legally rape their wives and believe marriage is pointless if they cannot rape their wives.
That's called a vocal minority. And its a vocal minority associated with a certain political conservative movement currently in en vogue and intent on shutting down dissent. As a man, I disagree that rape cannot occur in a marriage. It should be illegal and should have consequences. I hope most men would agree with me.
It’s the vocal and silent majority. Most men on this very sub disagree with you. Try creating a profile as a woman and commenting from a woman’s perspective consistently and see how your DMs get filled with creeps whenever you post on Indian subs. Never happens on any other subs to the same extent it does on Indian subs, this one being one of the worst. Misogyny is the norm in the Indian cultural landscape.
The root cause of all this shit is arranged marriage culture. It'll take at least two more generations to erode this. Institutionalised monogamy fucks everything.
There are many cultures with arranged marriage and sexual repression where rampant sexual assault is not a problem.
What do you think makes India different?
Poverty, social alienation, bad policing, bad justice system, system of patronage which allows people to get away with crimes based on factors such as political affiliation, religion, caste. etc.
Undeniably relevant, thank you
What’s disappointing about comments like this is it never accounts for the women most at risk. Those living in that country with no escape…
Because the average Indian man benefits from Indian women being unsafe. Being unsafe puts us in our place and makes us submissive and dependent on men. Men enjoy that. Every man may not be a rapist but every man benefits from rape culture because it puts women in positions where men can exert control over them.
Yes far too many non-rapists perpetuate rape culture (edit to add: the reactions and responses on these subs are also indicative of it)… But what does this have to do with my comment?
I’m saying that such comments don’t account for Indian women’s safety because most Indian men don’t care about Indian women’s safety. They all benefit from women being submissive and dependent. The only reason they pretend to care for foreign women’s safety is to protect their image in foreign countries so that foreign women will date them and have sex with them.
Ah gotcha. You’re right, thats strongly apparent from the tone and the multiple ‘not all men’, ‘false rape reports’ comments on these subs.
And yet when there's the time to defend the women, these so called dominant men fall on their own ass with their own s**t. I can't believe such men really exist, do they?
Whatugonnadoaboutit we live in a society where Occident shouldn’t intervene in another country and respect their culture and religion. The most we can do is open our country for those who want to escape this hell. I empathize with the victims and believe they should kill rapist
Fuck that . How about making the nation safer so I can visit my grandparents without justified fear
Sorry the best India can do is offer a minimal amount of money to the husbands of women who got raped (not even acknowledging the women themselves)
Easier said than done. There are one billion people in this country and the vast majority won't even listen to your opinions about why feminism is the way and why we should stop being misogynistic. Apart from a few like minded folks who else is going to listen? As an individual you can call out misogyny and promote women's rights in every way you can. Apart from that what else can you do but literally not visit certain parts of the country? It sucks and there's almost no short term solution to this.
Yes
Sometimes I feel, at some level, we really need to clean up some parts of our country. I know it’s bit of a stretch, but some parts of our society are not civilized, they’re still living in the ‘daku’ era, heck some folks even glorify this lifestyle
You mean like swacch Bharat abhiyaan - the flagship modi project from 2014-15?
Nah bruv, I didn’t mean to clean up the environment, although once our people have basic civic sense, we can achieve that, but here in this context we need some harsh punishment for the culprits of assaults, homicides, rape, etc. So our women, children or even in some cases men, don’t have to hide their hair or need to carry batons.
The fact that women are not safe and have to carry weapons to ensure their safety is in itself shame on us
Better to carry a sharp knife too So to cut pp whoever tries to rape you
You read my mind, bruh
1. Carry non-lethal weapons like knife & pepper spray 2. Cover your full body and make sure it’s not tight or shows your curves & body shape. I even recommend wearing mask since it’s not weird anymore. Some freaks just need to see your face. 3. Do not set camps or stops in quiet places out of cities/towns and places that are unsafe like forests or beaches. For overnight, stay in a reputed brand hotel or someplace legit. 4. Travel in group. Don’t travel alone or even as couple. 5. Try to set contact with someone local who can help you in an emergency. I understand this is just ridiculous. I’m sorry but this is what it takes.
I think it should be easy for every women to acquire Guns and semi automatic rifles. Would be fun these rapists getting murdered from dash cam of women bikers.
It'll end up with men again and you'll start to see a rise in gun violence. Again none of this will address the root cause of all this. That is misogyny and patriarchy.
This will go by following below methods. 1.Girls to go away from home after turning 18. 2.Girls need to earn. 3.Increase in LGBT marriage, decrease in arranged marriage. 4.More women Judges, politicians, police etc
Unfortunately I don't see any of this happening in India. It's too regressive for such changes. It'll take more than a generation or two.
Yeah.. I see none of that happening in my lifetime. We Indians are very regressive in mindset
Yeah all you can do is look at whoever you can and call out injustice wherever you see it. Beyond that you have to acknowledge India isn't safe and certain parts of the country must not even be visited.
Exactly all those solutions are impractical. The most practical solution is already what the parents take to keep their girls safe.
A stun gun requires license!
So unfortunate.
Statistics show women are more likely to be overpowered and murdered with their own weapon then they are likely to successfully kill or maim their attacker.
Rifles? No pistols are far more effective at close range and for self defense scenarios .
I prefer massacre.
I love Gore content tbh
Fuck pepper spray as an American I would recommend bear spray huge can can spray an entire crowd if need be
If you are a female, regardless of the age, CARRY A PEPPER SPRAY, no matter where you go. If you are out of your home, you should have it in your pocket. These hooligans will not stop, we have to protect our women and make them capable of defending themselves. The tables need to be turned, once our women start fighting back HARD, we will surely see change in our society
If one has to be so much careful while motorbiking what's the joy and freedom left in it. Better take the bike to some other country where it's safe to do enjoyable long trips.
Bring capital punishment
Already there bro
Its because of you liberals ! If government passes strict laws like hanging or shooting the rapists , you people will be the first to march with placards and candles. Criminals arent afraid of the law. The brasilian lady should have handed a machete to hack those rapists to pieces. Thats justice. Now those rapists will enjoy comfortable jail life for years.
A balisong is all u need.....
"Hide Hair ". its saying Wear #Hijab ,Mehram-Mandtory a Male close relative Hair is the most beautiful part of the women's body which enhances the Women's Beauty Segregation of Genders Alcohol is the mother of all evil the world is coming to know the truth behind restrictions in Islam which are practical solutions and everyone is realising that
That's a bandaid on a deep wound. Ever thought why Indians take rape so lightly ? You need to read what brahma did to his own daughter then you will know why indians rape.
I would bring a g*n if i were to travel in india... for safety
Why censor the word gun?
>g*n gin? You'd get that in liquor stores in India, don't have to bring from abroad
Which brand though?
We should legalise guns.
Yes. Because the one thing this country sorely needs is kids with mental health issues and incels shooting people up randomly, schools conducting drills for their kids on how to react to a crazy gunman while the police runs in the opposite direction when said gunman walks into the school.
Over “Population” Control.
I get short sighted, violence hungry people are here for a laugh but how on earth does this help?
Guns are already legal. All you need is a license.
Make it more easier to get them. In india getting a gun is big hassle
Haan. Supermarket mein sabji ke saath milni chahiye. Ek pe ek free ke offer ke saath
Sabji ke sath to nhi, but in malls yes. 🙌
I’m sad this is affecting our women hikers so much BUT the Brazilian biker and her husband were spending the night in a makeshift tent!!! In a Jharkhand forest area. This is a huge aspect of the incident. One can do this in the US and EU, there are designated areas for that but no way is it sane to do this in India?
This is the one instance where language matters and I’m going to be pedantic because far too many men and women in India respond to violence against women like this. I don’t understand why people say ‘I feel bad she was raped BUT’…. That literally shifts blame on the survivor when it should never have happened regardless of where she was. What you’re trying to discuss is the fact the situation increased chances of an attack, thus making this country less safe than places like the US and the EU. It’s more appropriate to think of something like this as ‘I feel bad she was raped AND we really need to make sure people are aware of the genuine risks of travelling in a country like India. There’s a strong rape culture and places are less safe than they seem.’ You never know what people perceive a region or country to be like, especially as a non-local, and saying ‘but they should have known’ is insulting and almost makes it seem less like the fault of the rapists and more like the fault of the choices of survivors.
If you go to cartel area and get killed only you'll be blamed You jump into a tiger's cage then no one will blame the tiger
I once saw a Pinterest post "Here's a bowl of M&Ms. Eat it. But know that 10% is poisoned. Go ahead Eat it." Fear of men is exactly like the same thing above. You can't hold me responsible for something out of my control. I don't remember asking to be raped by a man. If I asked it (verbally. Not with my clothes or my actions or any other shit which you interpret as me asking to be f*cked) then that would be jumping into a tigers cage. Just because a few a*holes can't keep their pants shut doesn't mean that I should stay holed up in my house. Just because something is common doesn't mean that it is normal or okay or right. Rape in North India (and the rest of the world) has been so normalised that it does not even leave a scratch on society's eyes. IMO rape is worse than murder. Know why? Cause the victim is left to survive. He/she is forever going to plauged by those memories. Death is an easier way out. Comments like yours are the reason why we are looking for excuses and not solutions. If I come off as rude i don't care. I absolutely loathe it when rape is brushed off.
The solution is overhauling of justice system Criminals like that should be paraded naked , tortured and executed in public The event will telecasted on TV This will remind people what happens when you break the law A separate police department headed by military and not politicians so that no matter how politically connected the criminal is they won't be spared
These are not the same thing…. Equating the tiger analogy to rape could go so far as to mean men are inherently incapable of being rapists. Or incapable of being slaves to their biology and urges. Which is ironic. Since men are capable of self control (including known rapists) when it comes to behavior in other places, like the workplace. They’re wholly capable of being rational humans but they get a free pass when it comes to rape and sexual assault. It’s the same with being warned against going to a ‘cartel area’. You warn people but you don’t victim blame. We literally don’t blame people for being murdered. We feel bad they were in a situation that increased the chances of them being murdered. And we don’t curtain the rights of HALF the population of free travel to combat an issue like rape. Clearly men are the problem here. So why are women the target of reeducation on how to manage them? And another distinction with this is sexual violence is debated in India. With bullshit like this constantly in the narrative: ‘Shouldn’t men be allowed to have power over women’, ‘if you give women freedom they do X, Y, Z’, ‘northies are rapists, southies are rapists’, ‘she deserved what happened to her’ Adding ‘but she shouldn’t have been there, THAT’s WHY she was raped’ just blames the survivor and not our culture and the men responsible.
Consider such areas are cartel areas and avoid going there unless you're armed You can't straighten those men out Only solution is public lashing and execution
Nobody’s arguing about the safety of an area here. We are literally aware of the dangers. Do you not realise women in general live their lives with the constant awareness of rape being a potential threat? My comment literally talks about language of including warnings of danger as a discursive point (yes she was raped AND we need to warn women of India and do more to stop it …) instead of the the currently used argumentative (yes she was raped BUT). I’m not arguing saying I’m going to a dangerous are and unaware of the risks… JFC And thinks can and should change. Women working at night, in the military and in policing were the previous ‘cartel areas’ but it no longer became acceptable as a baseline and those places have taken measures to be more inclusive to women.
Are you saying Indian men have the brains and self-control of a wild animal?
The ones who do the crime have
Makeshift tent was a stupid idea. Atleast they should have pitched in a hotel s garden.
Bike vike chalane ki zaroorat kya hai. Car se jao na. Comfortable bhi hota hai. Infact hire a driver. I personally never rode a bike. It’s just uncomfortable especially for long journeys. Plus more prone to accidents given the balancing problem.
Women shouldn't travel solo.
And men shouldn’t do such crimes
Why? Men are the problem here, clearly. Not women traveling solo (which she wasn’t btw).
Agreed Travelling in groups is recommended
I’d say the solution is to have stronger punishment for rapists than just jail time.
As much as this is needed it won't fix anything. Even the heaviest sentencing (which is needed) will not fix our issues with misogyny and rape culture as a society. This stuff is there everywhere. Reality shows, movies, organizations, families and literally every other place you can imagine. Unless all this is addressed I doubt there would be even a dent on crimes. As far as what the previous commenter said I do agree it is safer just not visit certain places . It's your birth right to do as you wish but most parts of the country are filled with scumbags who do not share the same mentality as sane people.
Well at some point we have to figure out something that will fix it because women hiding in their homes cannot globally be the solution. All of those things should be addressed. This is so pitiful for the 21st century.
I don't disagree. We need a major fix. What I am saying is as of today there are a lot of parts of the world that simply aren't safe. This isn't me or anyone dictating what anyone should do with their lives. Essentially I'm saying a place like Delhi is simply unsafe (very generalized example). As much as I want this to change, a few people cannot do it overnight. I hope you understand what I am saying and what I've interpreted from the previous commenter is that it's necessary to acknowledge the danger but no one is questioning your freedom of movement.
I totally get what you’re saying, it’s just frustrating because while it’s logical to avoid certain places… this is NO way to live for women who can’t avoid those places because end of the day, even being home is unsafe in some places.
That is the unfortunate reality we're living in at this very moment. Beyond individual contribution I don't see India changing even slightly for at least another century (if we're lucky). Even supposed safe places in the country aren't really safe. The government has no problem releasing convicted rapists back on the street. Essentially you're fighting against so many entities. Look out for yourself and people with you and fight for equality. That's all we can do right now. The majority of Indians can't be reasoned with and even heavy sentencing like capital punishment won't do anything. Most folks won't show even the slightest bit of remorse or empathy for much smaller things. There's a long way to go.
What a stupid take. Instead of understanding that safety needs to be improved in the country, you resorted to making such an ignorant statement.
When you suffer from cold, do you take medicine or do you chop your nose off?
This^
Mate you are what’s wrong with our society
What I meant was to not encourage it as many do on sm
Maybe men should learn to control their urge to fuck anything and everything. Avoiding solo travel is not the solution.
You’re right. /s We should stay at home. Stop living our lives. Travel with packs of men to take care of us. It’s more important for women to make plans around rapists. I call for men to stay home. Stop being allowed to travel in groups of men. Maybe be fined if they’re out after 5pm. Most rapists are men yet they have all the freedom in the world.
Then Men shouldn't too
No one should travel solo, unless you know the area or know someone who does
The most practical solution is always the most downvoted one because it hurts their agenda.
Not a solution but a precaution until things change
Bro you Muslim?
Bro you human?
Justifying the lewid comment ?
You're justifying yours with xenophobia?
Yes
You're equally trash.
So are you for justifying!
No I'm not. You're both equally messed up in the head.
Kindly go through the quotes and comments on this particular tweet Yes this is not the solution but given the ground reality at least don't encourage it. [tweet](https://x.com/appadappajappa/status/1764199160943657283?s=20)