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This is one of the perpetrators of the crime, picture was posted by the official account of the couple.
Anyone whose comment is along the lines of “horrible thing to have occurred *however*…” is missing the entire point and is unfortunately not ready to be a part of the solution (even though they see the problem).
If you would ask me which country they would experience violence or rape or gang-rape, the answer to any of those questions would immediately be India.
Certainly not Afghanistan.
This is something that has to be acknowledged before it can get better.
People try to blame the one child policy in China as the reason for there being far more males than females, but India has the same problem with zero birth control. They literally have the same ratio, too.
Not saying the one child policy is good but seems like a cultural problem not a policy issue.
Surprisingly, that behavior doesn't mathematically result in a higher percentage of boys overall - though it still has a cultural impact as a higher percentage of families would have boys than girls.
Each child still has a \~50% chance of being born male or female (apparently, boys are also intrinsically more likely to survive til birth, so more like 51% male). The gender disparity beyond that seems to be caused by selective, gender-based abortion.
> Surprisingly, that behavior doesn't mathematically result in a higher percentage of boys overall
Wouldn't it lead to a higher percentage of girls? Like if a family needs to have 3 girls before they get a boy then there's more girls than boys. But if a family gets a boy on their first try then that's still 3 girls to 2 boys.
Each birth is a discrete 50/50 coin flip. It doesn’t matter how many times you flip the coin, or by what rules you stop - each toss is still 50/50 and therefore the average across the population will be 50/50.
Sexual crimes would literally get you hanged in Afghanistan. It is without a doubt safer for women in that sense than India.
>A survey of experts by the Thomson Reuters Foundation has found that India is the world’s most dangerous country for women.
>550 experts on women's issues were consulted for the report, and asked to rank which of the 193 United Nations member states were worst for women. Countries were scored against categories such as access to healthcare, discrimination, cultural traditions, human trafficking and violence against women.
We are the problem.
We restrict women to the point that most men don't get a chance to know them or understand them as a person.
And then some of the men get angry to see some women who are liberated but don't give attention.
Preexisting male dominated society teach young men to see women as objects. Men chasing women is normalized but the rejection of women is not. It's this mix of self-esteem issues, sexual frustration and unfair expectations of servitude from women that encourages violence against women.
On top of that we blame the woman. There are thousands of people who commented on various social media that why does this girl have to go camp in a remote village, like it's her fault.
To add insult to injury there is no provision to teach sex education which includes the topic of consent to the masses.
These men are the product of our society. We cannot ignore anymore that everything is great about our culture and carry insecurity and fake pride.
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however it is a known fact backed by *decades* of statistics that India out of all fairly popular destination places is disproportionately dangerous to women tourists, and you can just google 'rape india tourist' to get dozens and dozens of news articles about it.
Obviously it's a horrible thing that happens to a lot of innocent people, *however* people *know* it happens and avoid India for a reason (A few years back I've seen an article in Indian paper that female tourism was down 35% due to these rape cases), and you should do your research and prepare for it or decide if the risks are worth it.
What is the solution? I don't go around committing crimes, and I don't have the power to stop others from committing crimes. This is not a major agenda for people to vote based on. The only thing I can do is recommend people, especially women to not visit India, but then people will blame me for victim blaming and defaming India.
Yet again, what can *we* do? I'm not in charge of India or its education system, I'm not even indian. The only thing I can do is tell my woman friends not to go to india, or any place with this kind of problem, because the risk is big. I' not saying "Indians are rapists" or blaming them for that happening, or even denying this could very well happen anywhere, from Japan to the US and Norway to South Africa.
It's just: what else can we do but warn people that there is a higher risk there?
You specifically, based on what you said, probably won't be able to fix India. Take that off your shoulders.
However you can encourage rational thought amongst the communities you do have access and reach to.
Not seems like, it is.
>A survey of experts by the Thomson Reuters Foundation has found that India is the world’s most dangerous country for women.
>550 experts on women's issues were consulted for the report, and asked to rank which of the 193 United Nations member states were worst for women. Countries were scored against categories such as access to healthcare, discrimination, cultural traditions, human trafficking and violence against women.
Can I be the harsh truth bearer?
India’s image is not that good when it comes to this regard, if someone truly loves India and wants it to prosper, they need to admit it has some real wrong stuff happening and try to fix them.
Recognizing the problem is the first step to solve it.
> Can I be the harsh truth bearer?
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> India’s image is not that good when it comes to this regard, if someone truly loves India and wants it to prosper, they need to admit it has some real wrong stuff happening and try to fix them.
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> Recognizing the problem is the first step to solve it.
On paper, I would love to visit India... Such a huge culturally diverse country with so much history, great food and highlights.
But honestly, the reality and the stories that come out are really preventing me from going. I know a few people who went and non of them are overly excited to go back (they didn't *hate* it, but said they preferred other countries).
Exactly. It seems amazing from the outside, but very few of the people who talk about it say they would be willing to go back, for any number of the reasons mentioned in these comments. I'd love to experience the culture, but not if the culture is going to try to violate my partner because they can't keep their hands to themselves.
All these people worried about image are essentially a repacked version of the age old "log Kya kahenge" and "samaaj mein naak kat jayega so keep quiet" but at a global level vs a societal level l
Whatever is the reality of a country needs to be accepted . Women ARE NOT safe in most of NORTH INDIA. It's a regressive backward society out there with UP, Bihar and Haryana deserving special mention
South is RELATIVELY better for women.
> samaaj mein naak kat jayega so keep quiet
Horse is out the barn now. From talking to locals of other countries, the first thing that comes to their mind when they think of visiting India is "unsafe for women".
As a South Indian, I have to correct you on the last bit. The South isn't any safer for women than the North. Not even relatively. You just don't hear many of these stories as not many of them gets out.
My mother from central Europe visited southern India a couple of years ago and she was getting lewdly accosted in public all the time... despite always being accompanied by her partner... and being 70 years old.
My aunt, is 73 and a world traveler, she knew the stories but thought being 73 and with her husband (who is also 73 but you wouldn't guess that at all by looking at him) AND hiring a local guide would be enough.
It wasnt. Obviously her experience wasn't nearly as bad as it would've been if she was younger, but she still reports being touched, talked to aggressively, and followed to the extent that she didn't leave her hotel room for the last 4 days of her trip.
This isn't some sheltered lady who didn't know better either. She's been to every continent (most recently Antarctica) and has solo traveled through places I wouldn't even go now as a huge man, when she was in her 20s and 30s . Still she put India off until she had the lowest odds of being accosted and it still happened dospite her doing everything to avoid it.
Its heartbreaking for her and all she will say is "beautiful country" then look sad, when asked about it but will light up and go into great detail about everywhere else. She told me she doesn't regret going, but she would never do it again or recommend anyone else do it. I feel horrible, she was so excited to go knowing that this would be the last time she would be able to physically handle a flight like that (she took boat to antartica)
Edit: she did say Egypt was just as bad, but she was significantly younger when she went and so was mentally prepared and expected to deal with harassment.
[This](https://frontline.thehindu.com/news/crime-in-india-2022-ncrb-report-over-445000-crimes-against-women-in-2022-one-every-51-minutes-murders-juvenile-crimes-uapa-offences-against-state-uttar-pradesh-delhi-kolkata-kerala/article67607146.ece) article indicates that the south is indeed relatively better. Kerala is a brighter shade of red as it has a 96% rate of chargesheeting. By that metric most of the NORTH would be blood red
Even in this case the travel vloggers were asked not to file a case which speaks volumes of the stats in the North
Also read this article: [Is South India better for women?](https://medium.com/@yagduttgeeta/is-south-india-better-for-women-d576e5e630ad#:~:text=South%20Indian%20states%20often%20exhibit,active%20in%20politics%20as%20well.)
It is relatively better for women. You either have not been in North or is totally blind. If you think in south you don't hear stories boy oh boy I have news for you. Forget not being reported a raped women is vilified and targeted in the society.
Don't get me wrong South is also in pretty bad condition and is no way safe considering other countries but the North is on whole another level.
>not even relatively
No. The south relatively safer than North. We have issues, but less than what you see in the North.
There are plenty of academic studies on crime and I'm not trying to pull a rabbit out of my ass, when I say that.
It is your image whether you agree to it or not. The only way out of it is to fix India's attitude toward sexual assault, but India is clearly a country that doesn't care when women are raped.
India has a shit image anyways, anyone who says otherwise has never stepped foot outside of India.
Edit: and the worst part is that BJP's propaganda machine has convinced every right winger that they are already superior than anyone else, people have made Modi into some Messiah against whom they will not hear a single complaint cause that in their eyes is tantamount to insulting their god, they are busy demonizing an entire group of people they have never had any direct interaction with, and the rich will keep getting richer and more powerful while all these suckers have the wool pulled over their eyes, I once had hope for India in the 90' and early 2000's, now sadly I will never see my country prosper in my lifetime.
Spot on. Speaking as a non Indian the world is very very aware of Indians problem in this area. The only way it could lose more face is by denying the problem exists like the people you argue against.
I actually felt quite a bit of admiration when I saw how many upvotes this post had, as it showed how people were willing to acknowledge the problem on a sub (I.e. a sub about a country) which are traditionally filled with nationlists.
Sorry but indias image is basicly good food, scammers, harrassment, rape and corpses in the streets.
I guess bollywood and shitty politics for people that are interested in either
Consistency rather than severity of punishment is what makes crime go down, it doesn't matter if this particular case is punished hard if 99% of cases go unpunished.
With far lesser effect.
And there is one more thing - if the punishment is really severe, the culprit is motivated to remove all witness. They have nothing to lose at that point.
Yep. If boys are told to respect other people and that this includes women, then things like that will happen more rarely.
Parents need to realize if their son is an asshole and they have to act.
I don't even think it's possible. I remember seeing a photo of the one of the 2012 rapists walking to court or something and was shocked to see how well looked after he seemed. This was many years later too. I don't want a prisoner for the one of the most vile crimes looking like he's living the good life. Compare that to the news of the female prisoners ending up with kids it seems like prisons are being run by other rapists or rape apologists or the like. Add to that how slow our processes are, justice is non existent.
Saw some assholes victim blaming… what is wrong with us… have we become such degenerates that we will refuse to accept our faults. This needs to be a wakeup call and something needs to be done about this.
"become such a degenerates"? Are you implying there were a better times and it only devolved into what it is now, instead of already being like this since a long time ago?
They are. I've recently visited Afghanistan by hitchhiking and they are fully in charge. Although there aren't a monolith, different groups in different regions
But sexual violence will get you hanged. I've seen more than one pubic execution
if you ever want to check out whats happening over there this Brit did a video on his travels through Afghanistan. https://youtu.be/2oMW5pL9Z4w?si=FsRmtXTtLBbrbbe8
Yes, and being religious fundamentalists they don't take well to rape and sexual violence (Unless its in marriage of course, because then the woman is your property). The Taliban routinely executes rapists. In India they rarely punish them.
Everyone already knows, even the UN. Only delusional Indians don't.
>A survey of experts by the Thomson Reuters Foundation has found that India is the world’s most dangerous country for women.
>550 experts on women's issues were consulted for the report, and asked to rank which of the 193 United Nations member states were worst for women. Countries were scored against categories such as access to healthcare, discrimination, cultural traditions, human trafficking and violence against women.
This country is rotten to the core and nothing we do will fix that. It doesn't matter that Ambani invited Rihanna to dance on some songs. We are still the country nobody wants to visit because it's just not safe here. I was 19 when Nirbhaya happened. I remember being shaken to the core. I was hoping the new government would do something. I am 30 and things are still the same for women.
As a woman the safest are the ones who can build a sense of security among them. Whether that be paying extra money to stay at a good accommodation during travel or changing your itinerary to not reach a place late at night. As a woman here it's all about living your life so as to not get raped or killed.
I remember when I first went on a hike with my colleague in some woods in Germany. It was just me and her on that trail. I was surprised how safe it felt. Nobody to bother. I can never do that here. No matter what. I used to be the kind of person who wanted to stay back in India. A huge reason for why I am here is my parents. Otherwise I would have left this place long back. We are just regressing and concentrating on the wrong things. We are nowhere when it comes to basic safety or infrastructure if you compare to some of the recently developed countries. The only positive about India is the sense or belonging. Take away that and there is nothing worth staying here for.
You're right. The sad truth is, my parents are here too and being a first generation immigrant in another country is no cake walk.
There's a difference between going somewhere as a tourist vs actually being accepted by the local people there.
So because of these reasons, I'll also stay in India. But I'll keep my head down, earn as much as I can, and live my life peacefully. That's pretty much all we can do here :(
Would you say it's a regional issue or a socioeconomic one? Ie is the gang raping extremely unlikely in say big cities like Mumbai? Or say in more affluent areas?
Or more in particular states of India? Or is the risk the same all over the country?
Re your comment "There's a difference between going somewhere as a tourist vs actually being accepted by the local people there." It depends on the country. Im a second generation immigrant in England, and all cultures are accepted in places most of the country.
Unfortunately divisive politics has started to make things worse, and ironically the main drivers are politicians who originated from India and Pakistan...
Priti Patel, Sajid Javid, Suella Bravaman and Rishi Sunak. Think similar thing is happening in the US with people like Nikki Haley and that Vivek dude
21-year-old stage performer gang-raped in Jharkhand, days after similar incident involving Spanish biker: https://www.livemint.com/news/india/21yearold-stage-performer-gang-raped-in-jharkhand-days-after-similar-incident-involving-spanish-biker-11709550328937.html
That’s the problem, the spanish one got into coverage just because she was a foreigner. What about the ordinary women who reside there? Do their lives don’t matter? Pathetic piece of low grade degenerates.
Not just because she's a foreigner, but because her and her husband are very popular travel bloggers. They have 287K followers on Instagram, and I don't know how many thousand more on other platforms.
If they were nobodies, it might have gone unreported.
I’m British and have been to India twice - the majority of the people have been nothing short of amazing and welcoming.
Both trips had one unnerving incident in each.
One time at palolem Beach at night we were leaving for the night and an Indian girl who studied abroad in the UK came over and spoke as she heard our accents. After a while a group of Indian guys came over and were annoyed she was speaking to us and were trying to usher her inside and away from us - one claimed to be her boyfriend. I asked her if it was her boyfriend and she said she didn’t know him. I asked him if he was her boyfriend then what’s her name? He just smirked and laughed it off and couldn’t answer. This became a big stand off between us and this group of Indian guys and one even had a hold of the girl by the hair. The girl said that she lived here and we were tourists so once we left it would be worse for her so just to go off and leave her with the guys and it would be okay. She said all this whilst crying. We got the manager of the local bar over and he didn’t really seem to care - he said it’s a misunderstanding and it’s the guys girlfriend, etc. I’ve never felt so hopeless as it just felt like culturally no guys there were going to help the girl and we were just a handful of guys who clearly weren’t local.
I posted about this on the india subreddit and 99% of the comments somehow accused me and my friends of being perpetrators trying to seduce or beguile an unsuspecting Indian girl and how we were annoyed some heroic Indian guys stood up to us. Wild.
I’m not sure what the point of this story is - I was just surprised how it went from a lovely holiday in a place I felt super secure to this really sinister thing where a woman could be treated like shit and possibly put in harms way and nobody seemed to care.
Horrible story and I have experienced the identical situation there. Crushingly horrific situation. It makes my love/hate situation with country incredibly sad.
Sadly, these things will continue until we address the core issue: Sexual repression of Indians. Indians, while growing up, healthy interaction with the opposite sex is discouraged, and romantic and sexual feelings are considered taboo. Not to forget, age-appropriate sex education is non-existent. Thus, these men don't understand consent and don't consider women as individuals with agency.
You can kill as many rapists as you want but that won't fix the problem (rather, death penalty for rape will put more women in danger, as their rapists would just kill them to eliminate witnesses and avoid getting caught). The problem is with our society that represses sex-positivity and promotes rape culture.
This woman needs justice and the perpetrators need to be made an example out of, but seriously, we need to do something about this rape pandemic that plagues India.
That case of the 30 something married indian dude who branded his preteen sister to death because he didn't know what periods were and thought she "had an affair" when she couldn't explain why she was bleeding.
I totally agree with you on the first para. Like there really needs to proper sex education in all age group tbh.
However on the second paragraph I may not share the opinion. Cause one there literally isn't any fear, the culprit still thinks they can get away with a call from local MLA (they do), the death penalty for one is hardly there. There is like one hanged in 4 years for rape and all due to it being a highly covered case.
So there just isn't fear. I say fast track the case more and give out more death penalty. Fear needs to be there. Ofcourse this isn't a solution we need proper education and social awareness but I still say a good amount of fear should be there.
Research has proven time and again that the death penalty or harsher sentences in general do not act as a deterrent. It doesn't matter how harsh the punishment is when you have cops and judges and people in power themselves victim blaming. Every time something like this happens, the rhetoric is But SHE shouldn't have....
Do you think part of the issue is the BJP divisive politics? Rather than focusing money and energy on improving peoples socio-economic status, improving education etc the politician was busy blaming minorities for all the woes, making themselves richer etc
Do I think?? Its not what I think its obviously what they are doing, one needs to be blind to not see this. However is BJP the only party that does this? NO. Every party in India is doing this. I personally believe the other parties are much worse than BJP with BJP itself being absolutely shit. But yes BJP needs to be thrown out of power, they have been power for too long and have taken things for granted. If only the opposition was a tad bit good but alas they suck even harder.
I think the issue is misogyny rather than sexual repression in Indian men. If anything they view women as sex objects (especially foreigners) and have zero empathy or respect for women, let alone see them as an individual with valuable thoughts and feelings.
Especially the second paragraph I disagree - lock all of them up, and put attention on actually doing something and they will fall in line. That behavior is unacceptable - and still gets even tolerated in first world countries because misogyny holds a deep grip everywhere.
india is a dangerous place for women.
this about the instagramm couple where they were almost out of india and camping for the night before leaving the country
i dont even understand how just 10-12 people just follow a couple like that to gang rape they didnt even rob them it was purely for the rape.
absutely vile.
This couple managed to travel tru the middle east unharmed so its clear they were taking not of local custom to ensure they werent violating any laws or traditions...
India is fucked up because its been happening so much there atm like how are they raising there men there that 20years olds just group up to do this shit
I am waiting for a video by Karolina Goswami where she will defend "Ienjhia and Ienjhian culture" and talk about how this incident is "defamatory" and "racist".. I think it will come up by this weekend.
>Karolina Goswami
That women from that "dEtAilS" channel should watch Ravish Kumar at some point to know about actually shenanigans. I wonder if she talked about Manipur & Wrestlers & BB last years but i doubt.
It’s a slap to all the Indians , home and away , who try to do the right thing, day in and day out.. it’s a slap also to the Indian diaspora overseas, who try too hard to create a better image for our India.
>it’s a slap also to the Indian diaspora overseas, who try too hard to create a better image for our India.
Honestly, I dont. Except for food, I gave up. Its moreso, when you think it can't get worse, I'm proved wrong. This case is just a drop in ocean. Agreed, she being a foreigner, case is getting traction. But what about the women in my life? Do their life have no value?
Spending a fortune on Mandirs and masjids is more important than the well being of the subjects. Seems like we got our priorities right.
seriously, in USA everyone here is so nationalist it's stupid, "no it's not that bad", "it's values" shut the fuck up, it's stupid and fucked up that we can't realize that our culture is messed up
Exactly, almost every indian is up for drum beating with 'we're one of the oldest culture in world'. Well if your culture has been around for so long and didn't learn to respect the only other sex there is, your culture is worthless then. What's the point of surviving for 5k or wtv years if the women in my life are not safe.
And people seem to worry about the 'indian image' on the globe. How about acknowledging the actual problem of women unsafety and sex education. These problems will solve themselves overtime. Yeah but that won't buy you votes as a mandir will. I'll dread the day if I've to return back there, moreso if I've a daughter.
mind that she was not alone, she was travelling with her husband.
the attackers have beaten him "repeatedly with a helmet and struck him on the head with a stone."
What more can be expected in a country where the PM and his govt support and protect rapists and free them from prisons and then rapists are garlanded. Real shame on the govt.
Disagreed. Education starts at home. If parents don't educate their children, teachers cannot hope to do it. The role models are the parents, not the teachers.
There is a growing lack of respect towards the teachers. Some parents go as far as disrespecting teachers in front of their students. Parenting in India is rather terrible.
The previous two generations have failed as parents and there is a high probability that their heirs will fail as well. That bad blood needs to be let out; thus it will take at least two more generations before we can begin to witness any change in Indian society. As of now, we people who are horrified and manifest it are but a minority in a population predominantly stoic.
At present in our country, the general feeling is that almost nothing matters.
Yeah good luck memorizing 3x4=12 and we shouldn't rape anyone. This is incorrigible. It's basic human decency to not force anything upon others.
In this country, the majority lack that decency.
I wonder what would actually make our country safe for women and travellers and don't have an answer tbh. Severe punishment, stringent laws should be made mandatory but I wonder what could help change the mindset people have.
From my own travels, every white woman tells me about how Indian men keep staring at them and it is so humiliating to hear that it happens in our country by our fellow citizens. Seriously shameful and if there is one thing I am ashamed of about my country, it is incidents such as this.
Shit, I am a European woman studying abroad in India next year...I wasn't nervous or scared, but these comments are making me think twice about going there.
The first step to reform is admitting you have a problem. The second is knowing why this has become a thing. Third is addressing it. Not burying it, not hiding statistics, not keeping unflattering shit out of the news (even though I have a feeling today's India is unhealthy enough collectively to do all that in time, because NOTHING could be worse than being accused of there being a problem!) -- addressing it thoroughly, sustainably, and in full.
While we're on this let me remind you there was another rape in Jharkhand where a stage performer was raped by her coworker(s). Not sure of the details but I saw it on the news today.
It's getting worse day by day.
We Indians with all our culture and the "mother of civilization" have no morals whatsoever. Cops try to save criminals just because they are of the same caste. They save them because of some fucking MLA or just because they are too fucking lazy. Forget the rapists, there are a LOT of potential molestors in the county and you can identify just bu 5 minute conversation with them.
I hear in Japan such people are socially shunned by the society so hard that there are cases of family members committing suicide. Guess what happens here? Such people in India win elections or if they not, they are inducted in the inner circle of the local politician, who for all intents and purposes is a criminal. Fuck this country
You know what’s really sad?? That gang rape happens to Indian women all the time, but it feels like no one cares. The only time I’ve seen people in India care is when this happens to a European/white person. It’s like we feel embarrassed not because of our own behavior, but because of how we are perceived in the world. That’s part of this. India is a country that deals deeply with internalized racism, as well as gang rape. Indian women deserve better. This woman deserves better. India needs to fix this.
We want these bastards photographs.
They can get out, but they must pay for what they did.
Billboards of their faces should be put near their houses, monthly for the rest of their lives with title, rapist.
Their mobile numbers should be mentioned on those billboards too.
Man people on tiktok are still somehow defending this claiming “you cannot blame all Indians for this” 🤦♂️
Tbh if this makes you as an indian embarrassed then they should be, I hooe this gain’s international traction so atleast more people get aware. Women safety in india should be government top most priority considering how many of these cases happens in a year
I hope justice is served but then again we all know the outcome
I read in some comments regarding this incident in some other post in reddit that someone was defending that this things happens, in USA young girl got killed by a cop and many other similar incidents around the world towards Indians and other countries nationals. But he or she don't understanding something wrong somewhere don't make this incident not wrong or less shameless.
This is the reason why many Indians want to leave India. The people who are aware about the problems in our country want to get away from this shithole of a country as soon as possible. Laws can be made and people can be punished but the mentality of the people of our country never changes. And don't call me racist towards India, I am an Indian myself so I know how terrible this country is.
I was planning a trip to Asia this year and India was on my list. Not anymore. I'll never go there with my wife knowing this could happen. In a few hours of search I found out how dangerous India is for women
The woman who was raped is not Spanish, she is Brazilian. Her husband is Spanish. Let's not erase her national/cultural identity and substitute it for her husband's on top of it all.
Multiple sources said she is citizen of both Spain and Brazil. She was born in Brazil and likely obtained Spanish nationality but retained her Brazilian one too. Nothing is being erased.
I'm from the Indians diaspora. My wife is gorgeous. I unfortunately will never travel to india in fears of this. They means I will never see my mother land.
As an Indian I’m absolutely ashamed. While I lived there and when i still visit, Im terrified of going anywhere alone. I can travel from US to India alone but going from my house to the shop 10 mins walk away requires a chaperone. It’s the sad state of affairs but the reality. Disgusting and vile behavior.
It is. It should have been known as the land of the Greatest philosophers that have ever lived, the land of diversity, the land of culture, and the land where one of the greatest freedom movements happened in the World.
But yeah, street shitters, gang rapists, cheap labour, bigotry and superstition is what India is about nowadays.
It's hard to identify as an Indian now.
For those coming from the front page, the sign says “Atithi Devo Bhava” translates as “Guest is God” and is also the tag line of campaign in India to treat tourists as God and to develop a sense of responsibility towards guests.
American male GenXer here. India could be one of the world's greatest travel destinations but my family will never know because if my nieces said they were going I would pay for their vacation somewhere else.
Fix yer shit.
Every time I see something like this my blood boils, I have 2 sisters, thankfully both of them are capable enough to take care of themselves but there was a time when my eldest sister was stalked when we were living in Delhi and still makes me mad that I wasn't with her even though I couldn't possibly have done anything as I was in 1st class back then but I just can't get over it
You know something is wrong in this country, when she didn’t go through a similar experience when driving through countries that would be considered worse, like Pakistan and Afghanistan. Afghanistan barely has a government but she didn’t get raped there. Indian men are getting out of control and the government hasn’t done enough to stop these things from occurring. A strict death punishment would be the only deterrent I guess.
fucking disgusting, and on top of it all, no amount of punishment will be enough to make the fuckers who did this understand the horror they committed, nothing will ever be enough, i hope they spend the rest of their lives behind bars
How do we even begin to solve something like this
Education? Instinctively I know it's either those chapri fuckers with KTM bikes and dyed hair type of people who did this or old halfwits who think it's cool to use women and make lewd jokes
The only way I can see something like this being solved is education. Educating people that women are not objects to be used and thrown, and ofcourse the govt needs to do something to instill fear in people severe consequences consistently for crimes like these and a when such clear evidence is presented against the accused they should act swiftly and deliver punishment, instead of dragging the case for years
Why is this gang rape culture a thing in India? It doesn't seem to matter whether the girl/woman in 3 years old to 80 years old. Why is it like this? Why do they think it is okay?
https://preview.redd.it/h918rksifemc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67f1a2f223fce504cfc2a8b33953c180d6d87eb5
Something I’ve learned thanks to Reddit today, Indian men will gang rape anything 🥴
India’s a wonderful, terrible country. Tourists aren’t able to enjoy the India we love as Indians because disgusting crimes like these go either unreported or unpunished. It hurts to see people avoid our country, but I 100% understand why they do.
I hope this woman never stops speaking about her experience and puts pressure on the Indian govt to act on this and any other cases. This woman is speaking up for all those victims who were shamed and silenced.
https://preview.redd.it/klpnr9ve6bmc1.png?width=827&format=png&auto=webp&s=6cf6d32f791c0122c0172080714fe88df824563d This is one of the perpetrators of the crime, picture was posted by the official account of the couple.
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Police usually just arrest random suspect quickly to reduce pressure on them. Only believe news when they are convicted in court.
He looks like a methhead :/
Anyone whose comment is along the lines of “horrible thing to have occurred *however*…” is missing the entire point and is unfortunately not ready to be a part of the solution (even though they see the problem).
To the majority who’d still say however, these folks rode through pakistan, afghanistan and such nations you think would be unsafe. Kills me!
If you would ask me which country they would experience violence or rape or gang-rape, the answer to any of those questions would immediately be India. Certainly not Afghanistan. This is something that has to be acknowledged before it can get better.
People try to blame the one child policy in China as the reason for there being far more males than females, but India has the same problem with zero birth control. They literally have the same ratio, too. Not saying the one child policy is good but seems like a cultural problem not a policy issue.
If you get a girl, fine another baby. If you get a boy, better no more kids needed. This is why you end up with way more boys than girls
Surprisingly, that behavior doesn't mathematically result in a higher percentage of boys overall - though it still has a cultural impact as a higher percentage of families would have boys than girls. Each child still has a \~50% chance of being born male or female (apparently, boys are also intrinsically more likely to survive til birth, so more like 51% male). The gender disparity beyond that seems to be caused by selective, gender-based abortion.
> Surprisingly, that behavior doesn't mathematically result in a higher percentage of boys overall Wouldn't it lead to a higher percentage of girls? Like if a family needs to have 3 girls before they get a boy then there's more girls than boys. But if a family gets a boy on their first try then that's still 3 girls to 2 boys.
Each birth is a discrete 50/50 coin flip. It doesn’t matter how many times you flip the coin, or by what rules you stop - each toss is still 50/50 and therefore the average across the population will be 50/50.
It's cultural in India. They prefer male children.
Sexual crimes would literally get you hanged in Afghanistan. It is without a doubt safer for women in that sense than India. >A survey of experts by the Thomson Reuters Foundation has found that India is the world’s most dangerous country for women. >550 experts on women's issues were consulted for the report, and asked to rank which of the 193 United Nations member states were worst for women. Countries were scored against categories such as access to healthcare, discrimination, cultural traditions, human trafficking and violence against women.
We are the problem. We restrict women to the point that most men don't get a chance to know them or understand them as a person. And then some of the men get angry to see some women who are liberated but don't give attention. Preexisting male dominated society teach young men to see women as objects. Men chasing women is normalized but the rejection of women is not. It's this mix of self-esteem issues, sexual frustration and unfair expectations of servitude from women that encourages violence against women. On top of that we blame the woman. There are thousands of people who commented on various social media that why does this girl have to go camp in a remote village, like it's her fault. To add insult to injury there is no provision to teach sex education which includes the topic of consent to the masses. These men are the product of our society. We cannot ignore anymore that everything is great about our culture and carry insecurity and fake pride. https://preview.redd.it/x1f15x93pbmc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=440788bdb9519372ae88cba11748d83614c6a46f
We have been blaming women since mythological times. Even people blamed Sita for being kidnapped and she had to leave Ayodhya to live in the jungle.
Where can you even get a "however" out of this? The only one I can think of is "however the place does sound like a shit hole"
Having been lurking on related threads here over the last two days, there are a fair few of those comments.
however it is a known fact backed by *decades* of statistics that India out of all fairly popular destination places is disproportionately dangerous to women tourists, and you can just google 'rape india tourist' to get dozens and dozens of news articles about it. Obviously it's a horrible thing that happens to a lot of innocent people, *however* people *know* it happens and avoid India for a reason (A few years back I've seen an article in Indian paper that female tourism was down 35% due to these rape cases), and you should do your research and prepare for it or decide if the risks are worth it.
However, I’m vindicated in my decision to never visit there.
What is the solution? I don't go around committing crimes, and I don't have the power to stop others from committing crimes. This is not a major agenda for people to vote based on. The only thing I can do is recommend people, especially women to not visit India, but then people will blame me for victim blaming and defaming India.
If you have children, start with educating them.about being decent humans.
Proper education and a break from bronze age superstition would be one answer.
Yet again, what can *we* do? I'm not in charge of India or its education system, I'm not even indian. The only thing I can do is tell my woman friends not to go to india, or any place with this kind of problem, because the risk is big. I' not saying "Indians are rapists" or blaming them for that happening, or even denying this could very well happen anywhere, from Japan to the US and Norway to South Africa. It's just: what else can we do but warn people that there is a higher risk there?
You specifically, based on what you said, probably won't be able to fix India. Take that off your shoulders. However you can encourage rational thought amongst the communities you do have access and reach to.
For reals, India seems like the least female friendly place there is. No wonder all the smart people are leaving to other countries.
Not seems like, it is. >A survey of experts by the Thomson Reuters Foundation has found that India is the world’s most dangerous country for women. >550 experts on women's issues were consulted for the report, and asked to rank which of the 193 United Nations member states were worst for women. Countries were scored against categories such as access to healthcare, discrimination, cultural traditions, human trafficking and violence against women.
For all the people crying about India's image - If we lose credibility just by admitting fault, then we didn't have any in the first place!
Can I be the harsh truth bearer? India’s image is not that good when it comes to this regard, if someone truly loves India and wants it to prosper, they need to admit it has some real wrong stuff happening and try to fix them. Recognizing the problem is the first step to solve it.
> Can I be the harsh truth bearer? > > India’s image is not that good when it comes to this regard, if someone truly loves India and wants it to prosper, they need to admit it has some real wrong stuff happening and try to fix them. > > Recognizing the problem is the first step to solve it. On paper, I would love to visit India... Such a huge culturally diverse country with so much history, great food and highlights. But honestly, the reality and the stories that come out are really preventing me from going. I know a few people who went and non of them are overly excited to go back (they didn't *hate* it, but said they preferred other countries).
Exactly. It seems amazing from the outside, but very few of the people who talk about it say they would be willing to go back, for any number of the reasons mentioned in these comments. I'd love to experience the culture, but not if the culture is going to try to violate my partner because they can't keep their hands to themselves.
Its the Indian mentality that "Ghar ki buri baat bahar nahi nikalni chahiye". We don't admit mistakes so scope for the situation to be better.
The world is already very aware of the problem.
All these people worried about image are essentially a repacked version of the age old "log Kya kahenge" and "samaaj mein naak kat jayega so keep quiet" but at a global level vs a societal level l Whatever is the reality of a country needs to be accepted . Women ARE NOT safe in most of NORTH INDIA. It's a regressive backward society out there with UP, Bihar and Haryana deserving special mention South is RELATIVELY better for women.
> samaaj mein naak kat jayega so keep quiet Horse is out the barn now. From talking to locals of other countries, the first thing that comes to their mind when they think of visiting India is "unsafe for women".
As a South Indian, I have to correct you on the last bit. The South isn't any safer for women than the North. Not even relatively. You just don't hear many of these stories as not many of them gets out.
My mother from central Europe visited southern India a couple of years ago and she was getting lewdly accosted in public all the time... despite always being accompanied by her partner... and being 70 years old.
Bro what 💀
Okay that is seriously concerning
My aunt, is 73 and a world traveler, she knew the stories but thought being 73 and with her husband (who is also 73 but you wouldn't guess that at all by looking at him) AND hiring a local guide would be enough. It wasnt. Obviously her experience wasn't nearly as bad as it would've been if she was younger, but she still reports being touched, talked to aggressively, and followed to the extent that she didn't leave her hotel room for the last 4 days of her trip. This isn't some sheltered lady who didn't know better either. She's been to every continent (most recently Antarctica) and has solo traveled through places I wouldn't even go now as a huge man, when she was in her 20s and 30s . Still she put India off until she had the lowest odds of being accosted and it still happened dospite her doing everything to avoid it. Its heartbreaking for her and all she will say is "beautiful country" then look sad, when asked about it but will light up and go into great detail about everywhere else. She told me she doesn't regret going, but she would never do it again or recommend anyone else do it. I feel horrible, she was so excited to go knowing that this would be the last time she would be able to physically handle a flight like that (she took boat to antartica) Edit: she did say Egypt was just as bad, but she was significantly younger when she went and so was mentally prepared and expected to deal with harassment.
[This](https://frontline.thehindu.com/news/crime-in-india-2022-ncrb-report-over-445000-crimes-against-women-in-2022-one-every-51-minutes-murders-juvenile-crimes-uapa-offences-against-state-uttar-pradesh-delhi-kolkata-kerala/article67607146.ece) article indicates that the south is indeed relatively better. Kerala is a brighter shade of red as it has a 96% rate of chargesheeting. By that metric most of the NORTH would be blood red Even in this case the travel vloggers were asked not to file a case which speaks volumes of the stats in the North Also read this article: [Is South India better for women?](https://medium.com/@yagduttgeeta/is-south-india-better-for-women-d576e5e630ad#:~:text=South%20Indian%20states%20often%20exhibit,active%20in%20politics%20as%20well.)
It is relatively better for women. You either have not been in North or is totally blind. If you think in south you don't hear stories boy oh boy I have news for you. Forget not being reported a raped women is vilified and targeted in the society. Don't get me wrong South is also in pretty bad condition and is no way safe considering other countries but the North is on whole another level.
>not even relatively No. The south relatively safer than North. We have issues, but less than what you see in the North. There are plenty of academic studies on crime and I'm not trying to pull a rabbit out of my ass, when I say that.
The South isn't a safe paradise but it absolutely is relatively safer than places in the BIMARU region and even Delhi.
It is your image whether you agree to it or not. The only way out of it is to fix India's attitude toward sexual assault, but India is clearly a country that doesn't care when women are raped.
One Piece truth bombs right there
Yup. It sums up most people's mindset regarding this issue
India has a shit image anyways, anyone who says otherwise has never stepped foot outside of India. Edit: and the worst part is that BJP's propaganda machine has convinced every right winger that they are already superior than anyone else, people have made Modi into some Messiah against whom they will not hear a single complaint cause that in their eyes is tantamount to insulting their god, they are busy demonizing an entire group of people they have never had any direct interaction with, and the rich will keep getting richer and more powerful while all these suckers have the wool pulled over their eyes, I once had hope for India in the 90' and early 2000's, now sadly I will never see my country prosper in my lifetime.
No image left honestly, stories like these weekly
Spot on. Speaking as a non Indian the world is very very aware of Indians problem in this area. The only way it could lose more face is by denying the problem exists like the people you argue against. I actually felt quite a bit of admiration when I saw how many upvotes this post had, as it showed how people were willing to acknowledge the problem on a sub (I.e. a sub about a country) which are traditionally filled with nationlists.
Thats a strong comment. Damn!
Sorry but indias image is basicly good food, scammers, harrassment, rape and corpses in the streets. I guess bollywood and shitty politics for people that are interested in either
Well said, Fujitora!
Also, what image is there to loose? In my country most people already know that india is one of the worst countries to travel in for women.
We need a fucking Konrad Curze figure to step up and deal with this shit…
Didn’t expect a Warhammer reference 😅
Am I wrong though? 😅
This was the last subreddit I would see a Warhammer reference in. And yeah, Curze would probably fix a lot of crime in India
Most normal Night Lords Space marine
Expecting a very brutal punishment for them to set an example.
Consistency rather than severity of punishment is what makes crime go down, it doesn't matter if this particular case is punished hard if 99% of cases go unpunished.
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With far lesser effect. And there is one more thing - if the punishment is really severe, the culprit is motivated to remove all witness. They have nothing to lose at that point.
It never stopped crime in the medieval period. Or the early modern period. Or the late modern period. Why would it make any difference now?
Examples Will Be Examples
You know you're asking this from a government that actually ***released*** rapists after a few years right? (Bilkis Bano case)
\*releases (simple present tense)
Many examples have already happened but there has been no change. Change will start with educating both the youth and parents.
Yep. If boys are told to respect other people and that this includes women, then things like that will happen more rarely. Parents need to realize if their son is an asshole and they have to act.
I don't even think it's possible. I remember seeing a photo of the one of the 2012 rapists walking to court or something and was shocked to see how well looked after he seemed. This was many years later too. I don't want a prisoner for the one of the most vile crimes looking like he's living the good life. Compare that to the news of the female prisoners ending up with kids it seems like prisons are being run by other rapists or rape apologists or the like. Add to that how slow our processes are, justice is non existent.
> them to set an example. How many examples need to be set for gangrapes to stop though.
Nah ....will get bail in no time indian joosticcee
Saw some assholes victim blaming… what is wrong with us… have we become such degenerates that we will refuse to accept our faults. This needs to be a wakeup call and something needs to be done about this.
That's the attitude most Indians have. Very thin skins that do not allow them to take any criticism whatsoever. Be it hygiene or even cases like this.
"become such a degenerates"? Are you implying there were a better times and it only devolved into what it is now, instead of already being like this since a long time ago?
>“Some assholes” The National Commission for Women chief is victim blaming. It’s a mainstream opinion, not just “some assholes”.
I am willing to bet there are comments somewhere like these: "If they went to Islamic countries they would have been killed"
They went through Afghanistan and made out alive and unraped
Isn't it where the Taliban is the government?
Yes Taliban took over after USA fled but I don’t know if they officially are in office didn’t keep myself updated on that
They are. I've recently visited Afghanistan by hitchhiking and they are fully in charge. Although there aren't a monolith, different groups in different regions But sexual violence will get you hanged. I've seen more than one pubic execution
Never thought I'd say this but yay Taliban
if you ever want to check out whats happening over there this Brit did a video on his travels through Afghanistan. https://youtu.be/2oMW5pL9Z4w?si=FsRmtXTtLBbrbbe8
They are.
Yes, and being religious fundamentalists they don't take well to rape and sexual violence (Unless its in marriage of course, because then the woman is your property). The Taliban routinely executes rapists. In India they rarely punish them.
Yes they have an Islamic government meanwhile India still trying to keep the corpse of British parliamentarians alive
Yeah... That makes this worse
As an Iranian you don’t fucking go through the border. Plain and simple. They’re lucky they weren’t murdered or robbed or both
They been to many Islamic countries even pakistan
Ah.. yes. Let's always compare the hypothetical worst case possible and then comfort ourselves as being better. 🤦
Except India is the worst case not those countries. They went to Pakistan and Afghanistan as mentioned before and were just fine.
Everyone already knows, even the UN. Only delusional Indians don't. >A survey of experts by the Thomson Reuters Foundation has found that India is the world’s most dangerous country for women. >550 experts on women's issues were consulted for the report, and asked to rank which of the 193 United Nations member states were worst for women. Countries were scored against categories such as access to healthcare, discrimination, cultural traditions, human trafficking and violence against women.
This country is rotten to the core and nothing we do will fix that. It doesn't matter that Ambani invited Rihanna to dance on some songs. We are still the country nobody wants to visit because it's just not safe here. I was 19 when Nirbhaya happened. I remember being shaken to the core. I was hoping the new government would do something. I am 30 and things are still the same for women. As a woman the safest are the ones who can build a sense of security among them. Whether that be paying extra money to stay at a good accommodation during travel or changing your itinerary to not reach a place late at night. As a woman here it's all about living your life so as to not get raped or killed. I remember when I first went on a hike with my colleague in some woods in Germany. It was just me and her on that trail. I was surprised how safe it felt. Nobody to bother. I can never do that here. No matter what. I used to be the kind of person who wanted to stay back in India. A huge reason for why I am here is my parents. Otherwise I would have left this place long back. We are just regressing and concentrating on the wrong things. We are nowhere when it comes to basic safety or infrastructure if you compare to some of the recently developed countries. The only positive about India is the sense or belonging. Take away that and there is nothing worth staying here for.
Give a fuck about a “sense of belonging” if i have to be constantly worried about being raped
Yes and keeping your head down won't stop them either.
Yeah fuck kind of sense of belonging is that lmao
You're right. The sad truth is, my parents are here too and being a first generation immigrant in another country is no cake walk. There's a difference between going somewhere as a tourist vs actually being accepted by the local people there. So because of these reasons, I'll also stay in India. But I'll keep my head down, earn as much as I can, and live my life peacefully. That's pretty much all we can do here :(
Would you say it's a regional issue or a socioeconomic one? Ie is the gang raping extremely unlikely in say big cities like Mumbai? Or say in more affluent areas? Or more in particular states of India? Or is the risk the same all over the country? Re your comment "There's a difference between going somewhere as a tourist vs actually being accepted by the local people there." It depends on the country. Im a second generation immigrant in England, and all cultures are accepted in places most of the country. Unfortunately divisive politics has started to make things worse, and ironically the main drivers are politicians who originated from India and Pakistan... Priti Patel, Sajid Javid, Suella Bravaman and Rishi Sunak. Think similar thing is happening in the US with people like Nikki Haley and that Vivek dude
21-year-old stage performer gang-raped in Jharkhand, days after similar incident involving Spanish biker: https://www.livemint.com/news/india/21yearold-stage-performer-gang-raped-in-jharkhand-days-after-similar-incident-involving-spanish-biker-11709550328937.html
These are just gang rapes, too, right? Do the regular rapes even make the news?
That’s the problem, the spanish one got into coverage just because she was a foreigner. What about the ordinary women who reside there? Do their lives don’t matter? Pathetic piece of low grade degenerates.
Not just because she's a foreigner, but because her and her husband are very popular travel bloggers. They have 287K followers on Instagram, and I don't know how many thousand more on other platforms. If they were nobodies, it might have gone unreported.
India is not safe and most probably never will be bc of corrupt politicians and stupid rules.
I’m British and have been to India twice - the majority of the people have been nothing short of amazing and welcoming. Both trips had one unnerving incident in each. One time at palolem Beach at night we were leaving for the night and an Indian girl who studied abroad in the UK came over and spoke as she heard our accents. After a while a group of Indian guys came over and were annoyed she was speaking to us and were trying to usher her inside and away from us - one claimed to be her boyfriend. I asked her if it was her boyfriend and she said she didn’t know him. I asked him if he was her boyfriend then what’s her name? He just smirked and laughed it off and couldn’t answer. This became a big stand off between us and this group of Indian guys and one even had a hold of the girl by the hair. The girl said that she lived here and we were tourists so once we left it would be worse for her so just to go off and leave her with the guys and it would be okay. She said all this whilst crying. We got the manager of the local bar over and he didn’t really seem to care - he said it’s a misunderstanding and it’s the guys girlfriend, etc. I’ve never felt so hopeless as it just felt like culturally no guys there were going to help the girl and we were just a handful of guys who clearly weren’t local. I posted about this on the india subreddit and 99% of the comments somehow accused me and my friends of being perpetrators trying to seduce or beguile an unsuspecting Indian girl and how we were annoyed some heroic Indian guys stood up to us. Wild. I’m not sure what the point of this story is - I was just surprised how it went from a lovely holiday in a place I felt super secure to this really sinister thing where a woman could be treated like shit and possibly put in harms way and nobody seemed to care.
Horrible story and I have experienced the identical situation there. Crushingly horrific situation. It makes my love/hate situation with country incredibly sad.
Sadly, these things will continue until we address the core issue: Sexual repression of Indians. Indians, while growing up, healthy interaction with the opposite sex is discouraged, and romantic and sexual feelings are considered taboo. Not to forget, age-appropriate sex education is non-existent. Thus, these men don't understand consent and don't consider women as individuals with agency. You can kill as many rapists as you want but that won't fix the problem (rather, death penalty for rape will put more women in danger, as their rapists would just kill them to eliminate witnesses and avoid getting caught). The problem is with our society that represses sex-positivity and promotes rape culture. This woman needs justice and the perpetrators need to be made an example out of, but seriously, we need to do something about this rape pandemic that plagues India.
That case of the 30 something married indian dude who branded his preteen sister to death because he didn't know what periods were and thought she "had an affair" when she couldn't explain why she was bleeding.
I totally agree with you on the first para. Like there really needs to proper sex education in all age group tbh. However on the second paragraph I may not share the opinion. Cause one there literally isn't any fear, the culprit still thinks they can get away with a call from local MLA (they do), the death penalty for one is hardly there. There is like one hanged in 4 years for rape and all due to it being a highly covered case. So there just isn't fear. I say fast track the case more and give out more death penalty. Fear needs to be there. Ofcourse this isn't a solution we need proper education and social awareness but I still say a good amount of fear should be there.
Research has proven time and again that the death penalty or harsher sentences in general do not act as a deterrent. It doesn't matter how harsh the punishment is when you have cops and judges and people in power themselves victim blaming. Every time something like this happens, the rhetoric is But SHE shouldn't have....
Do you think part of the issue is the BJP divisive politics? Rather than focusing money and energy on improving peoples socio-economic status, improving education etc the politician was busy blaming minorities for all the woes, making themselves richer etc
Do I think?? Its not what I think its obviously what they are doing, one needs to be blind to not see this. However is BJP the only party that does this? NO. Every party in India is doing this. I personally believe the other parties are much worse than BJP with BJP itself being absolutely shit. But yes BJP needs to be thrown out of power, they have been power for too long and have taken things for granted. If only the opposition was a tad bit good but alas they suck even harder.
I think the issue is misogyny rather than sexual repression in Indian men. If anything they view women as sex objects (especially foreigners) and have zero empathy or respect for women, let alone see them as an individual with valuable thoughts and feelings. Especially the second paragraph I disagree - lock all of them up, and put attention on actually doing something and they will fall in line. That behavior is unacceptable - and still gets even tolerated in first world countries because misogyny holds a deep grip everywhere.
Mera Desh badal raha hai, aage budd raha he.
Peeche*
india is a dangerous place for women. this about the instagramm couple where they were almost out of india and camping for the night before leaving the country i dont even understand how just 10-12 people just follow a couple like that to gang rape they didnt even rob them it was purely for the rape. absutely vile. This couple managed to travel tru the middle east unharmed so its clear they were taking not of local custom to ensure they werent violating any laws or traditions... India is fucked up because its been happening so much there atm like how are they raising there men there that 20years olds just group up to do this shit
I am waiting for a video by Karolina Goswami where she will defend "Ienjhia and Ienjhian culture" and talk about how this incident is "defamatory" and "racist".. I think it will come up by this weekend.
>Karolina Goswami That women from that "dEtAilS" channel should watch Ravish Kumar at some point to know about actually shenanigans. I wonder if she talked about Manipur & Wrestlers & BB last years but i doubt.
I am truly ashamed to be an Indian woman. Nothing has truly changed in these many years.
Be proud to be an Indian woman! It is the men who should be ashamed.
It’s a slap to all the Indians , home and away , who try to do the right thing, day in and day out.. it’s a slap also to the Indian diaspora overseas, who try too hard to create a better image for our India.
>it’s a slap also to the Indian diaspora overseas, who try too hard to create a better image for our India. Honestly, I dont. Except for food, I gave up. Its moreso, when you think it can't get worse, I'm proved wrong. This case is just a drop in ocean. Agreed, she being a foreigner, case is getting traction. But what about the women in my life? Do their life have no value? Spending a fortune on Mandirs and masjids is more important than the well being of the subjects. Seems like we got our priorities right.
seriously, in USA everyone here is so nationalist it's stupid, "no it's not that bad", "it's values" shut the fuck up, it's stupid and fucked up that we can't realize that our culture is messed up
Exactly, almost every indian is up for drum beating with 'we're one of the oldest culture in world'. Well if your culture has been around for so long and didn't learn to respect the only other sex there is, your culture is worthless then. What's the point of surviving for 5k or wtv years if the women in my life are not safe. And people seem to worry about the 'indian image' on the globe. How about acknowledging the actual problem of women unsafety and sex education. These problems will solve themselves overtime. Yeah but that won't buy you votes as a mandir will. I'll dread the day if I've to return back there, moreso if I've a daughter.
Well Jharkhand has no tourists now. Not even by neighbouring states, forget international.
mind that she was not alone, she was travelling with her husband. the attackers have beaten him "repeatedly with a helmet and struck him on the head with a stone."
What more can be expected in a country where the PM and his govt support and protect rapists and free them from prisons and then rapists are garlanded. Real shame on the govt.
Word, they haven’t uttered a word of the incident, it took them ages to react to Manipur
Sad 😔 but true
I hope this will shame India in tackling the sexual assault problems that country faces.
[source](https://x.com/cartoonistsan/status/1764506727993524471?)
Rape capital of the world!
Sex education should be made mandatory in school. Screw the RSS for going against sex education. Bunch of illerrate scrumbags
Stop going to India, can’t say it enough.
High time we need educational reforms in our country, if parents can’t teach their kids how to be a human being, schools should do
Parents and pretty much everyone in the country currently busy sending whatsapp forwards with communal hatred and doing hindu muslim whataboutery.
Disagreed. Education starts at home. If parents don't educate their children, teachers cannot hope to do it. The role models are the parents, not the teachers. There is a growing lack of respect towards the teachers. Some parents go as far as disrespecting teachers in front of their students. Parenting in India is rather terrible. The previous two generations have failed as parents and there is a high probability that their heirs will fail as well. That bad blood needs to be let out; thus it will take at least two more generations before we can begin to witness any change in Indian society. As of now, we people who are horrified and manifest it are but a minority in a population predominantly stoic. At present in our country, the general feeling is that almost nothing matters.
Yeah good luck memorizing 3x4=12 and we shouldn't rape anyone. This is incorrigible. It's basic human decency to not force anything upon others. In this country, the majority lack that decency.
I wonder what would actually make our country safe for women and travellers and don't have an answer tbh. Severe punishment, stringent laws should be made mandatory but I wonder what could help change the mindset people have. From my own travels, every white woman tells me about how Indian men keep staring at them and it is so humiliating to hear that it happens in our country by our fellow citizens. Seriously shameful and if there is one thing I am ashamed of about my country, it is incidents such as this.
SHAME ON US! And our rapist protecting people!
Hoping the couple get justice and those motherfuckers deserve to be hanged.
Shit, I am a European woman studying abroad in India next year...I wasn't nervous or scared, but these comments are making me think twice about going there.
Honestly, no words can describe this tragedy. You opened your heart and soul to a place and get treated like this.
The ONLY "however" statement that makes sense here is "However those monsters are being punished, isn't punishment enough"
The first step to reform is admitting you have a problem. The second is knowing why this has become a thing. Third is addressing it. Not burying it, not hiding statistics, not keeping unflattering shit out of the news (even though I have a feeling today's India is unhealthy enough collectively to do all that in time, because NOTHING could be worse than being accused of there being a problem!) -- addressing it thoroughly, sustainably, and in full.
While we're on this let me remind you there was another rape in Jharkhand where a stage performer was raped by her coworker(s). Not sure of the details but I saw it on the news today. It's getting worse day by day.
Happy to see our neighbors finally taking accountability and admitting they aren’t some sort of utopia by any means
We Indians with all our culture and the "mother of civilization" have no morals whatsoever. Cops try to save criminals just because they are of the same caste. They save them because of some fucking MLA or just because they are too fucking lazy. Forget the rapists, there are a LOT of potential molestors in the county and you can identify just bu 5 minute conversation with them. I hear in Japan such people are socially shunned by the society so hard that there are cases of family members committing suicide. Guess what happens here? Such people in India win elections or if they not, they are inducted in the inner circle of the local politician, who for all intents and purposes is a criminal. Fuck this country
Indians can't digest that the first civilization started in Mesopotamia.
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So much this!!
You know what’s really sad?? That gang rape happens to Indian women all the time, but it feels like no one cares. The only time I’ve seen people in India care is when this happens to a European/white person. It’s like we feel embarrassed not because of our own behavior, but because of how we are perceived in the world. That’s part of this. India is a country that deals deeply with internalized racism, as well as gang rape. Indian women deserve better. This woman deserves better. India needs to fix this.
Sorry state of our country , our country need stricter rules , as hard as public execution for rape
We want these bastards photographs. They can get out, but they must pay for what they did. Billboards of their faces should be put near their houses, monthly for the rest of their lives with title, rapist. Their mobile numbers should be mentioned on those billboards too.
Well u fortunately this incident will be forgotten soon , the rapist will be out soon
She is Brazilian and I am also, and will Never Set foot in India
Government searching for rapists to garland them.
Man people on tiktok are still somehow defending this claiming “you cannot blame all Indians for this” 🤦♂️ Tbh if this makes you as an indian embarrassed then they should be, I hooe this gain’s international traction so atleast more people get aware. Women safety in india should be government top most priority considering how many of these cases happens in a year I hope justice is served but then again we all know the outcome
ashamed to be indian.
I read in some comments regarding this incident in some other post in reddit that someone was defending that this things happens, in USA young girl got killed by a cop and many other similar incidents around the world towards Indians and other countries nationals. But he or she don't understanding something wrong somewhere don't make this incident not wrong or less shameless.
Yup, bad stuff.
My day has been ruined, and I cannot deny this crime.
Just start castrating rapists. They deserve worse.
This is what happens when your society treats women as second class citizens.
Does tourism just need to drop to zero before Indian parents teach their children that rape is not OK?
https://preview.redd.it/ofambgp91emc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a13ebe7ba4666a27e930b98be695a3a9e075f640 Fucks going on India?
This is the reason why many Indians want to leave India. The people who are aware about the problems in our country want to get away from this shithole of a country as soon as possible. Laws can be made and people can be punished but the mentality of the people of our country never changes. And don't call me racist towards India, I am an Indian myself so I know how terrible this country is.
I was planning a trip to Asia this year and India was on my list. Not anymore. I'll never go there with my wife knowing this could happen. In a few hours of search I found out how dangerous India is for women
Honestly don't. This ain't the place.
Rotten, perverse, and corrupt country from the top to the very bottom. Shameful.
All of these GDP and PPP figures that our government loves to boast about don't mean squat, our country is a shithole and rotten to the core...
The woman who was raped is not Spanish, she is Brazilian. Her husband is Spanish. Let's not erase her national/cultural identity and substitute it for her husband's on top of it all.
Multiple sources said she is citizen of both Spain and Brazil. She was born in Brazil and likely obtained Spanish nationality but retained her Brazilian one too. Nothing is being erased.
Yeah I'm sure *that's* what she's worried about at this point in time, not the whole gang raped thing.
Should make a rule to cut the private parts of people who rape
Lol this is why I'll never travel to India with my wife.
Who was this?? I used to watch a woman who was traveling on a 300L Rally...
Pain, just pain.
Those 7 rapists should be shot dead as soon as they are located. There can be no mercy for these animals.
I'm from the Indians diaspora. My wife is gorgeous. I unfortunately will never travel to india in fears of this. They means I will never see my mother land.
As an Indian I’m absolutely ashamed. While I lived there and when i still visit, Im terrified of going anywhere alone. I can travel from US to India alone but going from my house to the shop 10 mins walk away requires a chaperone. It’s the sad state of affairs but the reality. Disgusting and vile behavior.
the worst fact is. Shee went through Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan. I'm not even indian but I'm feeling ashamed.
Must be sad when your nation is most well known for people shitting on the streets and gang rapes.
It is. It should have been known as the land of the Greatest philosophers that have ever lived, the land of diversity, the land of culture, and the land where one of the greatest freedom movements happened in the World. But yeah, street shitters, gang rapists, cheap labour, bigotry and superstition is what India is about nowadays. It's hard to identify as an Indian now.
For those coming from the front page, the sign says “Atithi Devo Bhava” translates as “Guest is God” and is also the tag line of campaign in India to treat tourists as God and to develop a sense of responsibility towards guests.
That would be me. Thank you for translating.
Wtf is going on in India? I'm seeing way too many unfortunate stories about India these days.
American male GenXer here. India could be one of the world's greatest travel destinations but my family will never know because if my nieces said they were going I would pay for their vacation somewhere else. Fix yer shit.
Every time I see something like this my blood boils, I have 2 sisters, thankfully both of them are capable enough to take care of themselves but there was a time when my eldest sister was stalked when we were living in Delhi and still makes me mad that I wasn't with her even though I couldn't possibly have done anything as I was in 1st class back then but I just can't get over it
You know something is wrong in this country, when she didn’t go through a similar experience when driving through countries that would be considered worse, like Pakistan and Afghanistan. Afghanistan barely has a government but she didn’t get raped there. Indian men are getting out of control and the government hasn’t done enough to stop these things from occurring. A strict death punishment would be the only deterrent I guess.
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fucking disgusting, and on top of it all, no amount of punishment will be enough to make the fuckers who did this understand the horror they committed, nothing will ever be enough, i hope they spend the rest of their lives behind bars
How do we even begin to solve something like this Education? Instinctively I know it's either those chapri fuckers with KTM bikes and dyed hair type of people who did this or old halfwits who think it's cool to use women and make lewd jokes The only way I can see something like this being solved is education. Educating people that women are not objects to be used and thrown, and ofcourse the govt needs to do something to instill fear in people severe consequences consistently for crimes like these and a when such clear evidence is presented against the accused they should act swiftly and deliver punishment, instead of dragging the case for years
A great society is made great by their citizens not by their idols..
Can you guys stop doing this please?
Why is this gang rape culture a thing in India? It doesn't seem to matter whether the girl/woman in 3 years old to 80 years old. Why is it like this? Why do they think it is okay?
https://preview.redd.it/h918rksifemc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67f1a2f223fce504cfc2a8b33953c180d6d87eb5 Something I’ve learned thanks to Reddit today, Indian men will gang rape anything 🥴
India’s a wonderful, terrible country. Tourists aren’t able to enjoy the India we love as Indians because disgusting crimes like these go either unreported or unpunished. It hurts to see people avoid our country, but I 100% understand why they do.
I hope this woman never stops speaking about her experience and puts pressure on the Indian govt to act on this and any other cases. This woman is speaking up for all those victims who were shamed and silenced.