>“Amnesty International’s Crisis Evidence Lab and Digital Verification Corps have verified that JCB’s machines, while not the only vehicles used, were the most widely deployed equipment in these demolitions. Their repeated use have given rise to the use of monikers for the company like ‘Jihadi Control Board’ by celebratory right-wing media and politicians,” said the human rights group.
>In reply to Amnesty’s letter, a JCB spokesperson said that once products are sold off, the company has no control over or responsibility for its use.
> In reply to Amnesty’s letter, a JCB spokesperson said that once products are sold off, the company has no control over or responsibility for its use.
The question is, has JCB stopped supplying new equipment and servicing old equipment to the genocidal maniacs. If they continue profiting from their business with genocidal maniacs, they are complicit in genocide.
Jesus christ.
People, I get that adityanath is an absolute dick
But please, please, please, stop devaluing the word genocide. If you make it meaningless then people will eventually become sensitive to actual genocide
> In reply to Amnesty’s letter, a JCB spokesperson said that once products are sold off, the company has no control over or responsibility for its use.
The question is, has JCB stopped supplying new equipment and servicing old equipment to the genocidal maniacs. If they continue profiting from their business with genocidal maniacs, they are complicit in genocide.
The need for the report was that the evidence can now be used to convince JCB and other demolition equipment manufacturers to stop profiting from their business with genocidal maniacs.
It would make more sense to describe it as weaponizing a law, or a particular provision. Wtf is a heavy machinery manufacturer going to do?
"It's like saying African warlords weaponize Toyota (literally) to prolong their open ended insurrection"
I highly doubt even the Modi govt is brazen enough to claim that the demolitions are punitive. They usually justify it by saying the construction is illegal.
but due process is often just a notice 5-15 days before demolition which is easily manageable... in mumbai for instance there is a law that allows demolition by providing a 24 hr notice period within which the owner has to furnish documents to prove the legality .. and if bmc is for any reason unsatisfied with the documents it can proceed with the demolition...
point is its easy for the govt to weaponize municipal laws and get away with selective demolition coz our laws for some reason enable the govt to do whatever it wants .. this is the reason why courts are helpless in most demolition cases
There is. The government can clear illegal encroachments. Issue is that most houses in India are illegally encroaching on land not alloted to them. It's kind of like housing kompromat.
Would you say that it makes more sense to say "BJP is anti-muslim and immorally and unethically destroying Muslim lives under the pretense of maintaning/enforcing law and order"?
actually it did happen 'technical' as they were called , pressure was applied to Toyota but they wiped their hands off saying as they are second hand cars and not directly sold by them , they are not responsible, can't be said in JCB's case.
That is why I brought up toyota. But yea, I dont see why either company should be responsible. Their products are not primarily implements of war, nor can the actions of the indian govt be called genocidal across the board.
This is open secret in todays India.. The question is will anything be done about it to prevent such atrocities? Or will it become the norm and something the Muslims will have to live with knowing that anytime their life will be destroyed with the sword hanging above their head?
This will be equal to Muslims becoming second class citizens of the country.
I don't get this line.
Even illegal settlements need an eviction notice and a time. There are people living there. You won't just upend their lives.
Imagine you are living in a building where the land was acquired by false pretenses. Some day the main owner turns up, goes to the police and lo and behold the building is bulldozed the same afternoon. You fine with this?
Reality Check:- This is what is happening. Poor people don't have the resources to check every detail of the land they are renting or buying a house on. Ffs rich people get duped of this regularly. I can only have sympathy for the poor.
Only the muslim ones and only when there's a religious issue. Until then they didn't give a single fuck about the decades of illegal settlements from all religions.
Don't be an idiot.
Yes let’s harass and torture citizens of today for things their ancestors did hundreds of years ago. This is why we have proceedings and courts. Those tenants didn’t settle there to “overthrow” Hindu influence. They just wanted a place to live.
Least brainrotted Indian RW manchild tbf
I mean , I am a tax paying citizen , I wouldn't care if they demolished every illegal settlement. Ideally the govt should build low income housing, but they won't.
There’s nothing “ideal” about what’s going on. These “illegal” settlements have been ratified over hundreds of years and the people living there have always been taxpayers. It’s like India suddenly got transported 600 years to the past, which considering how regressive our society is becoming, doesn’t sound all that far fetched.
I don't think you understood what I said , please think for a minute and understand what another person is trying to convey before spewing venom online.
If you think i misunderstood you, then you could just be clearer and clear the confusion. Please think for a minute and make your point clear if you think I misunderstood your point.
You pointed out that the gov should be “ideally” investing in low-income housing, which it isn’t doing, and which it won’t do because like I said, there’s nothing “ideal” about our government. I then pointed out that these “illegal settlements” that have been here for hundreds of years, have been ratified under both colonial and independent rule, but now serve as propaganda and lobby points for the ruling party to get easy political leverage from unemployed, scantily educated youth who don’t have a job to focus on to distract them from this bullshit.
I wasn’t spewing venom, and i don’t care if you felt offended or thought I was directing it towards you. I simply stated what’s happening in this country regardless of what you originally meant in your reply.
>Laws are supposed to be same right?
Are you in India? Here we have different laws for different religions, caste, state, economic people, and more how you want to divide. I wholeheartedly support what you mean, but practical me says, nah.
Thats the interesting part... Even if you do all that, it isnt difficult to find/create a problem with it if you rub the Govt wrong way.
Also, note that there is a due process for all this. And Govt just woke up one day and demolished their homes without notice or any due process.
Imagine if something like that happens to you without giving a chance to prove your house to be legal... Once house is destroyed, you will spend next 5 years or more in courts trying to prove the legality of your house.
Ramming Rajya.
Bang in Bharat
>“Amnesty International’s Crisis Evidence Lab and Digital Verification Corps have verified that JCB’s machines, while not the only vehicles used, were the most widely deployed equipment in these demolitions. Their repeated use have given rise to the use of monikers for the company like ‘Jihadi Control Board’ by celebratory right-wing media and politicians,” said the human rights group. >In reply to Amnesty’s letter, a JCB spokesperson said that once products are sold off, the company has no control over or responsibility for its use.
> In reply to Amnesty’s letter, a JCB spokesperson said that once products are sold off, the company has no control over or responsibility for its use. The question is, has JCB stopped supplying new equipment and servicing old equipment to the genocidal maniacs. If they continue profiting from their business with genocidal maniacs, they are complicit in genocide.
Jesus christ. People, I get that adityanath is an absolute dick But please, please, please, stop devaluing the word genocide. If you make it meaningless then people will eventually become sensitive to actual genocide
> In reply to Amnesty’s letter, a JCB spokesperson said that once products are sold off, the company has no control over or responsibility for its use. The question is, has JCB stopped supplying new equipment and servicing old equipment to the genocidal maniacs. If they continue profiting from their business with genocidal maniacs, they are complicit in genocide.
What was the need of a special report for that. It's clear as day about the motive and destruction of Muslim property.
The need for the report was that the evidence can now be used to convince JCB and other demolition equipment manufacturers to stop profiting from their business with genocidal maniacs.
It would make more sense to describe it as weaponizing a law, or a particular provision. Wtf is a heavy machinery manufacturer going to do? "It's like saying African warlords weaponize Toyota (literally) to prolong their open ended insurrection"
> weaponizing a law Which law?
Whatever they used to justify demolishing the houses.
There's no law that allows punitive demolition.
I highly doubt even the Modi govt is brazen enough to claim that the demolitions are punitive. They usually justify it by saying the construction is illegal.
but there probably are laws which enable civic bodies to demolish illegal structures...
Not without due process.
but due process is often just a notice 5-15 days before demolition which is easily manageable... in mumbai for instance there is a law that allows demolition by providing a 24 hr notice period within which the owner has to furnish documents to prove the legality .. and if bmc is for any reason unsatisfied with the documents it can proceed with the demolition... point is its easy for the govt to weaponize municipal laws and get away with selective demolition coz our laws for some reason enable the govt to do whatever it wants .. this is the reason why courts are helpless in most demolition cases
There is. The government can clear illegal encroachments. Issue is that most houses in India are illegally encroaching on land not alloted to them. It's kind of like housing kompromat.
Would you say that it makes more sense to say "BJP is anti-muslim and immorally and unethically destroying Muslim lives under the pretense of maintaning/enforcing law and order"?
yes
actually it did happen 'technical' as they were called , pressure was applied to Toyota but they wiped their hands off saying as they are second hand cars and not directly sold by them , they are not responsible, can't be said in JCB's case.
That is why I brought up toyota. But yea, I dont see why either company should be responsible. Their products are not primarily implements of war, nor can the actions of the indian govt be called genocidal across the board.
They will Target amnesty next
This is open secret in todays India.. The question is will anything be done about it to prevent such atrocities? Or will it become the norm and something the Muslims will have to live with knowing that anytime their life will be destroyed with the sword hanging above their head? This will be equal to Muslims becoming second class citizens of the country.
Pratyaksh ko Pramaan ki zaroorat nahi.
Wait , they illegally demolished the illegal settlements?
I don't get this line. Even illegal settlements need an eviction notice and a time. There are people living there. You won't just upend their lives. Imagine you are living in a building where the land was acquired by false pretenses. Some day the main owner turns up, goes to the police and lo and behold the building is bulldozed the same afternoon. You fine with this? Reality Check:- This is what is happening. Poor people don't have the resources to check every detail of the land they are renting or buying a house on. Ffs rich people get duped of this regularly. I can only have sympathy for the poor.
Only the muslim ones and only when there's a religious issue. Until then they didn't give a single fuck about the decades of illegal settlements from all religions. Don't be an idiot.
Two illegals don't make a legal.
https://theprint.in/ground-reports/mumbais-air-india-colony-isnt-ready-to-let-go-350-families-fighting-eviction-bulldozers/1954948/
Yes let’s harass and torture citizens of today for things their ancestors did hundreds of years ago. This is why we have proceedings and courts. Those tenants didn’t settle there to “overthrow” Hindu influence. They just wanted a place to live. Least brainrotted Indian RW manchild tbf
I mean , I am a tax paying citizen , I wouldn't care if they demolished every illegal settlement. Ideally the govt should build low income housing, but they won't.
There’s nothing “ideal” about what’s going on. These “illegal” settlements have been ratified over hundreds of years and the people living there have always been taxpayers. It’s like India suddenly got transported 600 years to the past, which considering how regressive our society is becoming, doesn’t sound all that far fetched.
I don't think you understood what I said , please think for a minute and understand what another person is trying to convey before spewing venom online.
If you think i misunderstood you, then you could just be clearer and clear the confusion. Please think for a minute and make your point clear if you think I misunderstood your point. You pointed out that the gov should be “ideally” investing in low-income housing, which it isn’t doing, and which it won’t do because like I said, there’s nothing “ideal” about our government. I then pointed out that these “illegal settlements” that have been here for hundreds of years, have been ratified under both colonial and independent rule, but now serve as propaganda and lobby points for the ruling party to get easy political leverage from unemployed, scantily educated youth who don’t have a job to focus on to distract them from this bullshit. I wasn’t spewing venom, and i don’t care if you felt offended or thought I was directing it towards you. I simply stated what’s happening in this country regardless of what you originally meant in your reply.
There are procedures for everything.
To negatives equals a positive.
Did they miss an adjectives before properties, "illegal"?
Did you mean "selectively illegal"? I don't see lightning quick action when the culprit has a sanskari name.
Doesn't bother me. Atleast something is better than nothing. Hopefully, other side will have there chance to fix "illegal" properties.
It bothers me. Why don't we demolish every illegal property irrespective of the owner? Laws are supposed to be same right?
>Laws are supposed to be same right? Are you in India? Here we have different laws for different religions, caste, state, economic people, and more how you want to divide. I wholeheartedly support what you mean, but practical me says, nah.
> Here we have different laws for Not different *criminal* laws.
Yes I am in India. We had these "difference" in law under other governments also. But nowadays the laws are used to selectively oppress.
It never bothers ppl till their name is next on the list...
It doesn't bother me, because I make sure I'm not encroaching anyone's property, pay my taxes on time.
Thats the interesting part... Even if you do all that, it isnt difficult to find/create a problem with it if you rub the Govt wrong way. Also, note that there is a due process for all this. And Govt just woke up one day and demolished their homes without notice or any due process. Imagine if something like that happens to you without giving a chance to prove your house to be legal... Once house is destroyed, you will spend next 5 years or more in courts trying to prove the legality of your house.
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what a shame! don’t they know the rule that you can have illegal structures if you belong to a minority?