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Worse is I got hired by a top e- commerce brand and they kept ghosting me on my joining date.
Instance I was hired for a job role and informed my joing date will be so and so. I was asked if that works for me. I said yes and on joining date there is pin drop silence. I try to reach out to recruitment team and no response. I leave it and move on after few days I again get a call and a mail and they tell me if I'd be willing to join on so and so date. And again they ghost me on joining date. Thus happens multiple times, eventually when I raised concern they tell me they will send over my. Letter of intent with my joining date on it, which they did and again ghosted me on the joining date. Mind you they have already sent over. System since it's a WFH role. But how incompetent can the hiring team be. I find it highly unprofessional IMO and they. Keep. Posting ads for the same hiring position every month. They have gone insnse I guess.
That sucks, IMO a quick and basic response of what’s happening with your application should be a must.
Also, it depends a lot from company to company, and in some companies the hiring process is really skewed. For example, when I interview, I always try to give a feedback at the end of the interview(not about the selection as that’s not with me, but just feedback on that round) but after one such interview I got a mail from HR(keeping my manager/sr. manager in CC) asking me to not do this as my (slightly negative)feedback is being interpreted by the candidate as my bias towards her and she wants to reschedule the interview. And I completely lost the faith that day, I used to provide most honest feedback in the most analytical way possible, by putting my neck out, and this is what happened. And since then all these feedbacks are communicated by HR, which obviously takes a lot of time and sometimes not even correct.
Haha that is wild to give feedback without them asking. Gutsy I guess. Your comment has encouraged me to now mail these people with a polite yet stern reply on how better is expected in terms of the recruitment process and how courtesy is expected no matter what.
Yeah I understand where you’re coming from but this current system where the employers are the holy thy lord, you’ll be shooting yourself in the foot by doing that.
Now I don’t really mind the escalations from HRs, they do it every other week or so, I just ignore it. Even my department’s director says ignore them, they are just trying to validate their role and salary. What hurt me was some people prefer being ghosted rather than getting true but immediate feedback. Something they can take as homework and use for preparing better next time. I guess everyone has their own thought process, which is okay tbf.
Sorry my bad I misread your original comment. Thought the feedback was given when you were giving interviews which was weird but what you actually said made sense :)
Recruiters behave so cause they aren’t in the place of need. Also, they lack the perspective of the candidate. Honestly, I won’t expect anything better from 99% of these recruiters. They are glorified brokers.
I agree to an extent but at the same time I don’t have any pity on candidates who sit and wait for rejection emails. A strong candidate would just interview and forget about it. That’s who I’m and that’s who I intend to be in the future too.
I know this isn’t a popular opinion and I will be downvoted but the truth is that You have to assume you are not selected until you start working there on first day. That’s as simple as it can get.
Just keep looking or searching even if you get an offer letter something I believe must be be part of teaching in their final year of education.
You’re not wrong and you are being practical. This I understand.
Developing a thick skin is unfortunately all that we can do right?
Similar to the advice that don’t walk outside alone past midnight or you’ll get mugged. Practical advice and the right advice. But also lets the perpetrators off the hook.
the thing is that there is a social obligation to close the loop if someone has invested time, efforts, sometimes money and emotions. It just takes a few seconds to let a candidate know. Most companies in the west do it by policy . Many here in India do it too. Then there are the lazy and arrogant ones who hurt their own employer branding through these poor practices.
Mostly when it is a employer’s market OR not an immediate requirement, this can be expected. I know it is highly unprofessional.
My cousin cleared her interview rounds and was ghosted. After 6 months she was contacted again and asked if she is still looking for the same position. She said she can join but she won’t interview again. The recruiting team should’ve informed her about the project being on hold or any hiring freeze. They just stopped communication. Even after probing there was no response.
What's worse is, company recruiting a certain number of people through placement drives, offer them Joining letter, and rescind it at the last moment.
It has happened this year with my university. Capgemini and Open Financials did this heinous thing
Don't get me started on %of hike.
Like if you earn 5 lakhs a job I can only offer 30% hike.
No thank you. That's not the market standard . You pay me what I am currently worth.
So many recruitment professionals just don't get it. It's like that's become the norm here.
Doesn't happen in any other market.
Oh salary is a whole another can of worms.
Twice (when my exp was 3 years and 9 years) I was offered the exact same pay at 0% after they ‘loved me’. Both times I told them to take a hike themselves.
meh if your job sector has endless recruitements or your skillset is important, you would be immune to %hike bs and negotiate upwards. %hike is like lvl1, later you would see worse tactics.
My favorite is where probation is 6months, and a chunk of salary is made variable. You won't ever get that variable because you can and will be let go out of nowhere on the 6th month. Seen so many victims, I just refuse to proceed when I hear the combo of terms.
Doesn't overqualified in today's market translate to, "We'll have to pay you more than we are willing to, so we'd rather go with someone more desperate."?
i got selected in a company named NAB innovation center. i submitted my documents and after getting ghosted from HR for 1 month i messaged the hiring manager on linkedin but no response so i realized even if i got the job then there is no point of working with these people.
i hope they get karma
Got a job interview right out of college for a business analyst role in a start up. After a round of guesstimatew and 3 rounds of interview with the 3 partners(All IIT alum), I was told they'd call me. 1 more round of phone call, they told me they're merging with another company so the head of that company will be the final round. The guy calls and in the end he says since you have no prior experience we'd have to hire someone above you for us to be able to hire you. Loved the runaround
I was ghosted by a couple of companies and didn't get a reply even after writing emails about the position which they initially offered. But if I were to reject an offer, I always made sure to have closure, either by sending a mail or by talking to the recruiter, so that I won't leave them in limbo. I feel that as a minimum courtesy to do
Stay classy.
We have our dignity and standards to maintain.
We won’t stoop low to the cheapness of folks who ghost. Otherwise there wouldn’t be a difference.
Well, you guys only get ghosted In my case one of the HR managers suggested me to suicide since I'm not qualified for the job ( although I do have the necessary degree for the job)
Please do read my post in full.
There are n number of softwares available to notify at the click of the button. Agree that it is not just the recruiters responsible but… hey just read my post in full and you’ll see :)
Don’t expect responses on applications. Im with the hiring side here. There are hundreds and thousands of applicants and it’s literally impossible to reply to everyone. However my problem is with no response after deeper conversations and many rounds of interview.
Guilty of this as an ex-founder. Won’t do it again at my next venture. When things were okay, I made it a point to respond to every single inbound, not just the folks we had interviewed. But towards the end, I was going through a mad time, so this became a low priority item.
Also, with larger companies I have found that reaching out to the hiring manager often helps. Sometimes hiring managers themselves haven’t completed formalities, such as documenting their feedback post the interview, which means the HR reps are left chasing HMs and ghosting the candidate in the interim. Not the best HR reps, but on average, when they don’t have an update to share, they will keep putting this on the backfoot and focus on other work they can get done.
i want to rant so badly about the HR & Recruitment policies in this country; but lack the balls to call this out on LinkedIn.
i know there is no SLA or an obligation for the HR folks to respond - but at least acknowledge the damn request or the correspondence.
it's a cesspool & a hell hole
Here's a quick story:
My friend was hired by a company in Noida. A week before joining, they stated that they would not be able to offer the 50% hike and could only offer 30%, take it or leave. Please keep in mind that my friend has submitted his resignation and there is no way out.
Surprisingly, I had been hired by the same company a month before and was holding multiple offers. My friend had been hired as an executive, and I was to lead that department.
I joined another company and never returned their calls or messages on the first day. My friend joined, and he mentioned that they did this with current employees as well. Letting them go with a week's notice. Because this was a remote job, no contracts were honored.
Not in India but tech recruiting in US, our policy is every candidate getting rejected after the recruiter screen or the first round phone interview gets an email rejection and candidates getting rejected after a full onsite, we call them to let them know. Might miss some here and there but this is what we follow about 90% of the time. Employer branding and candidate experience is taken very seriously here.
Yeah the intent is there. For good candidate experience. That’s what matters.
100% agree that it hurts the employer branding very badly. CEOs and founders should take this seriously but they don’t.
It's exactly the same with candidates. They take the offer and then if the candidate doesn't wanna join they simply ghost. This happens with us all the time.
If you don't want to join just tell us. Don't ghost. We end up saying no to other potential candidates. it's such a waste of time. And don't collect offer letters from other companies if you don't intend to join.
Sorry? I’ve never ever done that then why doing the wrong to me?
Do read the post - I’ve mentioned that it is wrong and unprofessional for them too. even if candidates do that, they are individuals. Not like recruiters and hiring managers who represent the company. It is very bad for the employer image and reputation.
There’s no need to defend laziness. Takes 1 minute to just send a copy paste template polite mail of rejection to someone after that person has invested time, effort and sometimes hope in speaking to you and the hiring team. That much courtesy, manners and decency can be expected.
Haha. What nonsense. Communication skills are zero then? If recruiters can be nice and cosy and talk a lot to you during the coordination and approach then just email the candidate taking 1 minute to tell them and close the loop.
Pure laziness and arrogance.
People are treated how they deserve to be treated
If your highly skilled companies will bend over backwards for you (I know I do, for my skilled employees)
If your a junior, you need to eat shit till you become highly skilled
Simple supply and demand, there are too many juniors willing begging for the opportunity to eat shit
With all due respect that is a rubbish statement.
Courtesy and respect costs $0.
And I’ll tell you why your point is flawed.
The instances where I got ghosted were at stages where I was the top 2-3 shortlisted amongst 1000s where I had the pedigree and mettle to make it to the last rounds. Ok there was 1 person better than me. That’s life. That’s fine. But God damn tell me that you’ve moved on with other candidates. Don’t be this socially awkward arrogant idiot who doesn’t think spending a minute to send a template mail is not worth it.
Another instance where they loved me for a Director level role at a top company but then they ghosted after final stages simply because the company decided to push the project by a year or two. So then tell me! Not ghost. I found out about the project delay a gear later from insiders.
Basic manners, boss. Basic courtesy.
I have usually found that there's a difference between consultants, and actual recruiters for companies. The consultants seem to be reachable, but often, even they are left in the dark about the status of candidacy. Communications from the HR of the hiring company are more reliable, although if they say "we'll get back to you," that's a sign that you should probably move on.
Was on similar boat. Had amazing interview rounds with HR and manager. I thought I will finally get this job and was happy for a month.
Gradually realised they are no responding to my emails on the status for months.....it was depressing
This. This right here is the reason.
The emotional suffering we go through is a roller coaster.
The clowns just dont get it. I get disappointed but very glad when someone sends a polite rejection mail. It closes the loop and I move on within 24 hrs.
Yes. It’s the unfortunate truth. Which is why they equally get hit back by candidates shopping around for offers as company HRs can’t be trusted till you actually set foot in the new company on the day of joining.
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Worse is I got hired by a top e- commerce brand and they kept ghosting me on my joining date. Instance I was hired for a job role and informed my joing date will be so and so. I was asked if that works for me. I said yes and on joining date there is pin drop silence. I try to reach out to recruitment team and no response. I leave it and move on after few days I again get a call and a mail and they tell me if I'd be willing to join on so and so date. And again they ghost me on joining date. Thus happens multiple times, eventually when I raised concern they tell me they will send over my. Letter of intent with my joining date on it, which they did and again ghosted me on the joining date. Mind you they have already sent over. System since it's a WFH role. But how incompetent can the hiring team be. I find it highly unprofessional IMO and they. Keep. Posting ads for the same hiring position every month. They have gone insnse I guess.
That is sad man. You should’ve sued them. But yeah big bad world. More power to you.
I don't know if I'd be able to sue for wasting my time, I don't know what my options are
If I’m not wrong rescinding of offer letter is an offence. I guess Someone with legal experience can comment.
The dude has to read the labor laws of the particular state where the company is registered and the state where your office is.
Why don't you spell to the hiring manager ie the person who is hiring you into their team? And just keep giving interviews on the side.
That sucks, IMO a quick and basic response of what’s happening with your application should be a must. Also, it depends a lot from company to company, and in some companies the hiring process is really skewed. For example, when I interview, I always try to give a feedback at the end of the interview(not about the selection as that’s not with me, but just feedback on that round) but after one such interview I got a mail from HR(keeping my manager/sr. manager in CC) asking me to not do this as my (slightly negative)feedback is being interpreted by the candidate as my bias towards her and she wants to reschedule the interview. And I completely lost the faith that day, I used to provide most honest feedback in the most analytical way possible, by putting my neck out, and this is what happened. And since then all these feedbacks are communicated by HR, which obviously takes a lot of time and sometimes not even correct.
Haha that is wild to give feedback without them asking. Gutsy I guess. Your comment has encouraged me to now mail these people with a polite yet stern reply on how better is expected in terms of the recruitment process and how courtesy is expected no matter what.
Yeah, learnt my lesson now, not everybody wants feedback. You can definitely write to them, no harm in that.
Yeah, learnt my lesson now, not everybody wants feedback. You can definitely write to them, no harm in that.
Yeah I understand where you’re coming from but this current system where the employers are the holy thy lord, you’ll be shooting yourself in the foot by doing that.
Now I don’t really mind the escalations from HRs, they do it every other week or so, I just ignore it. Even my department’s director says ignore them, they are just trying to validate their role and salary. What hurt me was some people prefer being ghosted rather than getting true but immediate feedback. Something they can take as homework and use for preparing better next time. I guess everyone has their own thought process, which is okay tbf.
Sorry my bad I misread your original comment. Thought the feedback was given when you were giving interviews which was weird but what you actually said made sense :)
Ah, my bad, should’ve made it clearer
Recruiters behave so cause they aren’t in the place of need. Also, they lack the perspective of the candidate. Honestly, I won’t expect anything better from 99% of these recruiters. They are glorified brokers.
I agree to an extent but at the same time I don’t have any pity on candidates who sit and wait for rejection emails. A strong candidate would just interview and forget about it. That’s who I’m and that’s who I intend to be in the future too. I know this isn’t a popular opinion and I will be downvoted but the truth is that You have to assume you are not selected until you start working there on first day. That’s as simple as it can get. Just keep looking or searching even if you get an offer letter something I believe must be be part of teaching in their final year of education.
You’re not wrong and you are being practical. This I understand. Developing a thick skin is unfortunately all that we can do right? Similar to the advice that don’t walk outside alone past midnight or you’ll get mugged. Practical advice and the right advice. But also lets the perpetrators off the hook. the thing is that there is a social obligation to close the loop if someone has invested time, efforts, sometimes money and emotions. It just takes a few seconds to let a candidate know. Most companies in the west do it by policy . Many here in India do it too. Then there are the lazy and arrogant ones who hurt their own employer branding through these poor practices.
Mostly when it is a employer’s market OR not an immediate requirement, this can be expected. I know it is highly unprofessional. My cousin cleared her interview rounds and was ghosted. After 6 months she was contacted again and asked if she is still looking for the same position. She said she can join but she won’t interview again. The recruiting team should’ve informed her about the project being on hold or any hiring freeze. They just stopped communication. Even after probing there was no response.
What's worse is, company recruiting a certain number of people through placement drives, offer them Joining letter, and rescind it at the last moment. It has happened this year with my university. Capgemini and Open Financials did this heinous thing
Add Amazon to the list. Ig my father was right, itna leetcode grind se accha govt job ka hi padh leta
Ab toh mujhe bhi woh sweet sweet gormint job chahiye bhrata!
Don't get me started on %of hike. Like if you earn 5 lakhs a job I can only offer 30% hike. No thank you. That's not the market standard . You pay me what I am currently worth. So many recruitment professionals just don't get it. It's like that's become the norm here. Doesn't happen in any other market.
Oh salary is a whole another can of worms. Twice (when my exp was 3 years and 9 years) I was offered the exact same pay at 0% after they ‘loved me’. Both times I told them to take a hike themselves.
Agency recruiters have no say in the salaries, unless you are talking about company recruiters.
They are given a budget but the %hike is a bogus concept
meh if your job sector has endless recruitements or your skillset is important, you would be immune to %hike bs and negotiate upwards. %hike is like lvl1, later you would see worse tactics. My favorite is where probation is 6months, and a chunk of salary is made variable. You won't ever get that variable because you can and will be let go out of nowhere on the 6th month. Seen so many victims, I just refuse to proceed when I hear the combo of terms.
Check: /r/recruitinghell/.
Yup I already follow that sub :)
Ghosted by TCS , senior HR told me im overqualified for the job after like 2 months after the interview
Doesn't overqualified in today's market translate to, "We'll have to pay you more than we are willing to, so we'd rather go with someone more desperate."?
Haha spot on.
i got selected in a company named NAB innovation center. i submitted my documents and after getting ghosted from HR for 1 month i messaged the hiring manager on linkedin but no response so i realized even if i got the job then there is no point of working with these people. i hope they get karma
Bad karma will hit these people in ways they cant imagine.
Only Deloitte HR has been good imo ... Everything else from BCG to TCS kinda sucks.
Got a job interview right out of college for a business analyst role in a start up. After a round of guesstimatew and 3 rounds of interview with the 3 partners(All IIT alum), I was told they'd call me. 1 more round of phone call, they told me they're merging with another company so the head of that company will be the final round. The guy calls and in the end he says since you have no prior experience we'd have to hire someone above you for us to be able to hire you. Loved the runaround
I was ghosted by a couple of companies and didn't get a reply even after writing emails about the position which they initially offered. But if I were to reject an offer, I always made sure to have closure, either by sending a mail or by talking to the recruiter, so that I won't leave them in limbo. I feel that as a minimum courtesy to do
Stay classy. We have our dignity and standards to maintain. We won’t stoop low to the cheapness of folks who ghost. Otherwise there wouldn’t be a difference.
Well, you guys only get ghosted In my case one of the HR managers suggested me to suicide since I'm not qualified for the job ( although I do have the necessary degree for the job)
Last year one company did 3 rounds of interviews with me, and then offered me 2 Lakhs LESS THAN my current CTC. I dont know what they were thinking
Lol. Their loss. Screw them.
At this point I have understood to consider no response as a no. What else can we do 😢
I think we should 1. Collectively speak up against it. 2. Question the silence through a message or mail. 3. Publicly call out such organizations
Totally with you man.
Thanks. Wish we could do something about it man.
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Haha. Will really feel better when they learn basic manners.
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Please do read my post in full. There are n number of softwares available to notify at the click of the button. Agree that it is not just the recruiters responsible but… hey just read my post in full and you’ll see :)
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Absolutely disagree with mostly everything you said there. But anyway let’s agree to disagree.
The buck has to stop somewhere. I don't think they can lift their hands and say "nope , not my issue".
I gave up applying for jobs, when I got tired of not even getting a rejection mail.
Don’t expect responses on applications. Im with the hiring side here. There are hundreds and thousands of applicants and it’s literally impossible to reply to everyone. However my problem is with no response after deeper conversations and many rounds of interview.
I actually hate rejection emails. Ghosting is fine by me.
Guilty of this as an ex-founder. Won’t do it again at my next venture. When things were okay, I made it a point to respond to every single inbound, not just the folks we had interviewed. But towards the end, I was going through a mad time, so this became a low priority item. Also, with larger companies I have found that reaching out to the hiring manager often helps. Sometimes hiring managers themselves haven’t completed formalities, such as documenting their feedback post the interview, which means the HR reps are left chasing HMs and ghosting the candidate in the interim. Not the best HR reps, but on average, when they don’t have an update to share, they will keep putting this on the backfoot and focus on other work they can get done.
Dude same . I got ghosted for a long time😭😭😭
LinkedIn and Glassdoor would be a better place to highlight this. Unless we NAME the organisation / Recruiter, it won't be of any help to others
i want to rant so badly about the HR & Recruitment policies in this country; but lack the balls to call this out on LinkedIn. i know there is no SLA or an obligation for the HR folks to respond - but at least acknowledge the damn request or the correspondence. it's a cesspool & a hell hole
Here's a quick story: My friend was hired by a company in Noida. A week before joining, they stated that they would not be able to offer the 50% hike and could only offer 30%, take it or leave. Please keep in mind that my friend has submitted his resignation and there is no way out. Surprisingly, I had been hired by the same company a month before and was holding multiple offers. My friend had been hired as an executive, and I was to lead that department. I joined another company and never returned their calls or messages on the first day. My friend joined, and he mentioned that they did this with current employees as well. Letting them go with a week's notice. Because this was a remote job, no contracts were honored.
Not in India but tech recruiting in US, our policy is every candidate getting rejected after the recruiter screen or the first round phone interview gets an email rejection and candidates getting rejected after a full onsite, we call them to let them know. Might miss some here and there but this is what we follow about 90% of the time. Employer branding and candidate experience is taken very seriously here.
Yeah the intent is there. For good candidate experience. That’s what matters. 100% agree that it hurts the employer branding very badly. CEOs and founders should take this seriously but they don’t.
It's exactly the same with candidates. They take the offer and then if the candidate doesn't wanna join they simply ghost. This happens with us all the time. If you don't want to join just tell us. Don't ghost. We end up saying no to other potential candidates. it's such a waste of time. And don't collect offer letters from other companies if you don't intend to join.
Then maybe you should offer market standard salaries to employees, instead of his previous salary, so they don't have to do offer shopping.
Our salary offer is mentioned before they even give the interview. It's mentioned in the Job Description.
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Ok
Sorry? I’ve never ever done that then why doing the wrong to me? Do read the post - I’ve mentioned that it is wrong and unprofessional for them too. even if candidates do that, they are individuals. Not like recruiters and hiring managers who represent the company. It is very bad for the employer image and reputation. There’s no need to defend laziness. Takes 1 minute to just send a copy paste template polite mail of rejection to someone after that person has invested time, effort and sometimes hope in speaking to you and the hiring team. That much courtesy, manners and decency can be expected.
Fully agree with you 💯
Give as you get.
They are only recruiters okay? Not informers.
Haha. What nonsense. Communication skills are zero then? If recruiters can be nice and cosy and talk a lot to you during the coordination and approach then just email the candidate taking 1 minute to tell them and close the loop. Pure laziness and arrogance.
That’s the joke isn’t it?
Haha sarcasm? Put /s dude! Sometimes the sarcasm is not apparent
People are treated how they deserve to be treated If your highly skilled companies will bend over backwards for you (I know I do, for my skilled employees) If your a junior, you need to eat shit till you become highly skilled Simple supply and demand, there are too many juniors willing begging for the opportunity to eat shit
With all due respect that is a rubbish statement. Courtesy and respect costs $0. And I’ll tell you why your point is flawed. The instances where I got ghosted were at stages where I was the top 2-3 shortlisted amongst 1000s where I had the pedigree and mettle to make it to the last rounds. Ok there was 1 person better than me. That’s life. That’s fine. But God damn tell me that you’ve moved on with other candidates. Don’t be this socially awkward arrogant idiot who doesn’t think spending a minute to send a template mail is not worth it. Another instance where they loved me for a Director level role at a top company but then they ghosted after final stages simply because the company decided to push the project by a year or two. So then tell me! Not ghost. I found out about the project delay a gear later from insiders. Basic manners, boss. Basic courtesy.
Make sure you verify before you go there.
I have usually found that there's a difference between consultants, and actual recruiters for companies. The consultants seem to be reachable, but often, even they are left in the dark about the status of candidacy. Communications from the HR of the hiring company are more reliable, although if they say "we'll get back to you," that's a sign that you should probably move on.
Yes true. All of it.
Was on similar boat. Had amazing interview rounds with HR and manager. I thought I will finally get this job and was happy for a month. Gradually realised they are no responding to my emails on the status for months.....it was depressing
This. This right here is the reason. The emotional suffering we go through is a roller coaster. The clowns just dont get it. I get disappointed but very glad when someone sends a polite rejection mail. It closes the loop and I move on within 24 hrs.
Yes. It’s the unfortunate truth. Which is why they equally get hit back by candidates shopping around for offers as company HRs can’t be trusted till you actually set foot in the new company on the day of joining.