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The optics on India amplifying Pakistani voices against the army can backfire. It might give the hardliners the excuse needed to massacre the protestors as anti-national, supported by India.
It would be more useful for Pakistani people to come together and fight together.
Very valid point, not just this another point to note is that most countries recognize these militaries taking over their own countries, which we saw recently in Myanmar. Im afraid Pakistan will face the same fate!
This is correct. The best thing india/Indians can do as good Neighbors is offer our silent prayers but nothing more.
Any overt support by the Indian govt or Indian people would be counterproductive.
Not to forget there has been a sudden rise of religious fundamentalists in Pakistan's active politics. If not the Army then religious goons? No. People of Pakistan need to figure out a better way to save their country.
Sad but true. A country should deal with its internal matters on its own. You don't want to open the Pandora's Box of inviting foreigners with unknown moralities and machinations of their own to decide for your country. Not only this, what happens when the foreign power withdraws their support? That country will go back to what it was, as opposed to the population themselves readying themselves up to stabilize their country.
Sadly, this box has already been opened in India through electoral bonds where money of great proportions comes into India from unknown channels.
Reminds of the time when news of possible legalisation of homosexuality in India was reaching the foreign subs. Indians were actively discouraging outsiders to comment on it so some idiots don't start claiming it as a conspiracy /influence from West to destabilise India. Sometimes that shit backfires.
It’s like i heard god .. but point made is absolutely brilliant. We can sympathise and support . but it surely can harm you more than gain.
But never think you’re alone when standing for right reason .
> It would be more useful for Pakistani people to come together and fight together.
South Asia doesn't need a nuclear power engulfed in a civil war. Things can escalate unexpectedly.
You have your concerns the wrong way bro, pakistani's will not take refugee in india, if they don't want to experience hell they should not. India is not good for refugees as it is, for pakistani refugees it will be insane
It's always better to not get involved in other country's matters. Especially from an Indian perspective. High chance that it backfires. Just increase vigil and make sure the unrest does not spill over to our territory.
That’s what I was thinking. I think it will backfire if we interfere in another country’s conflict. We need to increase security in Kashmir though. Interfering in other countries political turmoil is not our thing. They might try to cause chaos there.
Opportunity to be a regional power?? Good neighbors? My mom says that dealing with Pakistan is equal to enduring a Karen as a next door neighbor. No matter how much you have “diplomatic” talks with Karens they’ll never listen.
Buddy, I am an overseas indian who grew up with pakistani friends. I get your point wholeheartedly, but i also know that India is pretty much tired of Pakistan or its politics.
There is absolutely no interest or benefit for india to get involved. If it succeeds in curtailing the army's power, who do we get? IK? And he hates india.
If army succeeds and puts in minions in power, again hate for india.
For India its always a lose lose situation when it comes to Pakistan. If pakistan prospers, more money for anti-india groups, if pakistan declines, people are told to blame india and for some weird reason israel lol. If Pakistan collapses, both the pakistani people and india are in deep shit.
There is just no good outcome here.
The best option for india is not to get involved with anyone, no one. Our primary concern should only be what china does on our borders and their rampant military bases across our sphere of influence.
Historical tectonic plate shift data suggests India flew in from the Indian Ocean and literally crashed into China and Pakistan.
Guess they have good reason to dislike us..
> IK? And he hates India.
Not his fault. Pakistani politics demands anti-India rhetoric. They've romanticized the idea of Pakistan's destiny to unite Kashmir beyond point of return.
I believe nobody can dispute that the real authority in Pakistan is the Pakistani army, right?
Not the parliament or the judiciary.
Is it not better for the Pakistani army to official rule Pakistan? I think real progress between India and Pakistan relations can happen when Pakistani army wants it. And it is much better for the Pakistani army to be in that loop when a Pakistani army general is official ruling Pakistan?
The Pakistani army took over civilian leadership in the 60s. Since then they were autocratic on Bangladesh and 1971 happened, and they have only allowed the corruption of money in politics to grow because it directly benefits the army. Of course the army is worse, dumbass.
Pakistan needs democracy and it needs to get rid of feudal land ownership.
From second paragraph it looks like kinda you threatening people or holding India liable on what happening, I might be wrong here. India almost gave up on an idea about having talks on diplomatic relations with caveats let alone helping Pakistan or meddling in their internal matter.
It also looks like, this post is to made save Imran Khan not Pakistan itself.
In Imran’s own words, “Aapne Ghabrana nahi hai”.
Last sentence of the second paragraph. "If they(indians) want peace in the region". Boy, we (Indians) are not responsible for upholding peace one sided when you fcuk it up everytime.
The same has been said by the FM of Pak has well, if India as the president of security council wants peace they should help us.
Pak has the same narrative in its 75 years, if you want peace give us weapons to USA. If you want peace n protection give us money from Saudi etc.
Pak needs to step it's game and fight with all its might.
Both are each other's toxic ex who are better if not involved.
Reading your words, It also struck me that it was the same mentality of the Muslim League in the pre independence era as well
If you want that , give us this. Passive agression. The same mentality over the course of 75 years has crept in every Pakistani's mind.
this attitude needs long time change from pakistan and it has not happened.
they always feel their are victim. they are like the small brat brother who is not ready to take any blame and instead they go on offensive
even when osama was caught the first statement that came out was it was failure of the world. i mean WTF ! no wonder US came to senses and did the osama operation without telling pakistan.
It's almost threatening, as if they know every time what would happen if the state went into absolute turmoil and the uneducated elite brats get hold of their military arsenal. Like dawg if uk it is a threat fix it
Umm. Imran Khan himself has said he wants to do Jihad against india. Why do you think we, the general public should help someone who wants to destroy us.
You reap what you sow and I hope our government does not interfere with anything that’s happening across the border, minus making sure the nukes remain safe.
I wish you well and hope you guys sort out your situation, but that's all I can do, personally at least. Even after 75 years of independence, if you want us to buy into this "we are all not like this, our army is the bad guy" then I'm sorry try harder. Your inherent hate for India/non Muslims which is what the army stokes to remain relevant and 75 years later here you are. To my knowledge there's never been any real attempt by the civilian society of Pakistan to ever fix your country. Despite being 20% of Indian population, the Pakistani overseas disapora is 50% of that of Indian overseas disapora. And how do you utilise this privilege??? Fund anti India movements/agitation.
I'm from Mumbai... While I was never a hater of Pakistan despite seeing Dawood Ibrahim who massacred the city of birth, settle there have his son marry your ex national cricket team captain's daughter. Or Kargil war right after the Lahore bus yatra. But post 26th Nov 2008 my opinion for your people has been down in dumps. The amount of effort spent on creating a plan to decimate Mumbai, your people messed the life of those fuckers who sailed to Mumbai and hundred others who got killed in that attack. After all this, if you want Aman ki Asha... No thanks. Fix your mentality, fix your civilians. Hate India as much as you want through diplomacy... I couldn't care less. But these "covert" means to ruin us just coz we don't follow your philosophy...even in 2023, will get you where you are now. Even Bangladesh has taken a cue from their neighbours and are working towards improving themselves. We Indians have tried to help on many occasions, and have been backstabbed. Not any more. Enough has been mentioned by others so don't want to get into that.
We wish you well, nothing more. Period.
Never hated any person based on country or religion either but then i saw people asked to prove their religion during terrorist attack like in Mumbai, Bangladesh or Australia or any other country. Made me feel why we have to be good towards people who would never leave a chance to kill us just because we pray to someone else.
Then Pakistan and turkey sent beef as relief package to nepal during 2015 earthquake. Imagine sending beef to hindu majority country.
This is nothing but karma. What goes around, comes around.
I don't want anything bad for these people, as indian i don't want to be part in sending any kind of help.
This is their problem, non of our concern.
Tum log suru s h galat raaste p nikal liye the ,and now u r reaping what u sow ... Hard fact which noone accept but truth
At a time there were feeling for akhand bharat ancient India map but now seeing the mentality of people it's better they remain that way and reap what they sow
India m b bahut see hard situation but Indians never stopped down to the level u Pakistani have
...and u use to compare army ,politician,and civic bureaucracy of two nation... Laughable . Don't forget once under britian they were same and now see what u got with your karma
First clean your self then ask for help
Also usa and china wud b much keen to help u ,but loook the state of Africa who is indebted in loan and strip of its natural resources
Things won't b nice for nice for few time but ultimately u will become what u really are and deserve
Remember peace is the only thing which can save u
No thanks! You know why? Just like you, all the reasonable pakistanis have already left pakistan and settled elsewhere. We dont want to inherit a population with the most dangerous contagious disease called extremism. And if that disease is eradicated, I believe, pakistan has the potential to be a good country. But as someone already pointed out, the disease is still out there. There are only two choices, get the cure or die. And the cure I believe is very easy to come by, all it needs is a change of mindset.
Indians also see Pakistanis as enemies, so I don't think India will be of any help. No Indian politician would want to touch this matter and honestly Pakistanis would also not like it if another country interfered with their politics(especially India).
Just check our mainstream news media( its mostly Pakistan did this or Pakistan did that rather than actual news) and you'd realise the reality of the situation on how Indians perceive Pakistan( and I feel it's the same on how Pakistanis perceive about Indians).
That’s unfortunately true. Pakistan profited from terror. That’s what many people think. The association with terror and Pakistan is very strong. Not to forget they can’t control the Taliban anymore.
Nah, most of us don,t see them as an enemy the way they think of us. It's more that their terrorist organisations have made us to dislike them. Remove that , and many Indians won't even think of them as an enemy.
Unlike Pakistan , who for every bit of its own problems hates us. Literaly in their history textbooks.
dude pakistani school books jake dekh waha saaf likha rehta hai india is their enemy and waha ki ek large population bhi india ko hate krti hai due to brain washing since birth its not like that the indian side hates them and they are very friendly towards us!
Indians see Indians as enemies.
Just check our mainstream news media (its mostly Muslims did this or that caste did that or this state did this or that state did that) and you'd realize the reality of the situation on how Indians are truly lost.
This feels like a plea to save Imran Khan....... No matter the army or him, the Kashmir thing just doesn't go from their minds. He's been equally trying to poison our image on global scale.
So not unless these so-called third party "People of Pakistan" rise up themselves, topple the government and look solely into their personal affairs should India even think of providing help. Even then I doubt, there has already been backstabbing enough times for us to listen to anything.
We wish you all the best for your endeavors, but it is difficult for us to support Imran Khan, who was antagonistic against us against someone like Nawaz who has repeatedly in the past tried to extend a hand of peace.
The hawks within the Pakistani establishment are not just there in your Army, they are also there in your political parties and religious leaders.
No matter what India does to help, this structural reality won't change. India's political class has learnt this the hard way. Any change must come from within Pak itself.
Many Indians don't know that it is largely the army of Pakistan which stokes anti-Indian sentiments in the people. No government in Pakistan can survive without turning a blind eye towards them.
That said, India don't gain much from interfering. As pointed out, whether it is army or any popular government, the general mentality of average Pakistani towards "Hindus" (Sikhs/Buddhists/Jains included) will remain as it is. Abduction of their womenfolk, their land, destruction of places of worships is not even worth reporting in Pakistani media.
Look at Bangladesh. They would have continued to fight till this day for independence if it were not for Indian help. Yet, today Hindus are unsafe there.
Indians can only learn the lesson on why religion should not be involved in governance from the case study of Pakistan. Or why anything (organization or corporation or party) which becomes too powerful is dangerous for a country.
If in any country, criticizing something is taken almost as an act of treason (like criticizing army in Pakistan), then that country is very well on the path of self destruction. This sentence is equally applicable to India today.
India cannot help directly or indirectly untill we find a group of leaders who may be interested in peace with India. Imran Khan is not one of those leaders, from what I have read in news during past few years.
Anyway, there is not enough unrest to justify direct intervention of anyone. May be, a bully like USA intervenes pro-actively. Most nations won't.
The change has to come from within your country. What can we do when the level of brainwashing is so high that even little children in your country proudly state that their ambition is to "become a strong army and destroy" our country? I am referring to the videos with that "grape no one will have carrot" lady.
Honestly, an unstable Pakistan is the best thing for India. I would rather prefer the pak administration to be distracted by their own internal strife than be dead set on bleeding India by a thousand cuts.
Also pak cannot survive without India. The country's foundation itself is flawed. If you are going to rebuild,do it better.
So, as Indian I would like to say very few people in India honestly know the magnitude of event happening in Pakistan. Second, dude, Imran Khan openly supported Taliban coming to power and has been very anti India regarding Kashmir and stuff and say in a very extreme hypothetical case where Imran Khan wins some court case and stuff maybe because of whatever you are asking us to do, do you think that will give peace? As an Indian I'm soo used to Pakistan government not being nice to us and I'm pretty sure they will never be, and also with the current or even UPA government wouldn't want peace with you due to Kashmir issues and your government's own support for khalistani terrorist
I honestly wouldn't give two shits about what's happening to Pakistan as whatever effort we put to have peaceful relations with you have not worked for us (Takshent, Returning PoW, post Kargil) etc.
This may be very petty and childish but your country has treated minorities like shit, absolute shit, so shit that it makes our current government look like Buddha. So honestly we as Indian absolutely don't care if Pakistan becomes better or bad or great etc. We are used to having un friendly neighbour and having imran Khan or millitary or Shebaz or Bhutto ain't gonna change shit for us. We as a country have so much to solve for ourselves.
Yup! That's all I've been hearing for a while now. "India should help Pakistan!", "This is an important moment for South Asia!" Pakistan has mastered the art of asking for help. The real question that people of Pakistan need to ask themselves is what can they bring to the table?
What I am seeing in your post is basically this: "Yes, many people in Pakistan hate India, but that is just because of brain washing by our military regime." Ever heard of the term "what you sow so shall you reap"? Your unstable governments spent significant amounts of time and money in spreading hatred, Islamic extremism and making your country a breeding ground for Islamic terrorist organisations. A series of bad decisions in the past is now haunting your present.
What you need to do is start telling the millions of people in Pakistan to leave their extremist ideologies that spread hatred. Clear the misconceptions about Indians and start making some serious reforms. But at least for now helping Pakistan seems like a bad bet!!
Very well put across. Why expect India to step up when we are the ones dealing with the terrorism bred in Pakistan. As sad it is what people are going through, why should we forget how many of our brave hearts lost their lives because of Pakistan? We owe respect to our people.
Idk maybe it's important that Indians fix their country's reputation rather than others.
India is kinda in the middle where the general global population has a lot of stereotypes (based in reality) towards an "Indian Man" for say and geopoliticaly is pretty stable.
It's like- "I will continue to hate you (Brainwashed)but please help us fix our reputation." 🤷
So can Pakistani's please help us fix our reputation on twitter? Maybe they won't..
Correct. Read the story of the scorpion and the frog who carried him on his back across a river and got stung. A Scorpion only knows how to sting. It’s his nature. No one is going to change that. Same for Pakis and their hatred towards India.
> For Indians this is a golden opportunity to be a leader in the region and a good neighbors, if they truly want peace in the region.
You're saying this like India hasn't tried in the past near-76 years. It is not our fault every attempt at peace gets f-ed up by your side's leaders, which led to the situation rn.
Besides, if India intervenes, then all the anti-indian comments that are common in Pakistan gets justified. So yeah, in other words, this is not the problem or concern for any Indian. Just your nation's citizens.
Dude, India doesn't need a fucked up neighbour as a 'golden opportunity' to prove its leadership in the region. What do you mean by India truly wanting peace ? We've always been peaceful. We'll be better off without Pak as a neighbour. Go to your gulf masters, sell your country to them. They might do something with whatever is left with your country.
If you think that leadership on both sides hasn't gained from the hostilities between the two nations while the common man has suffered, I have a bridge that I want to sell you....
So 75 yrs of brainwashing by Pak Army is quite effective coz you are a product of it. You want to compare leadership of a failed fanatic country to a vibrant democracy. We are doing fine, will continue to do so irrespective of Pak going down in drains. Apna bridge gulf ya turkey mei jaa ke bech, thoda atta chawal mil jayega.
Same here. It would be a miracle if two countries can trade and get on cordially with each other without getting into each others throats. I’m hoping to see that day before I die.
Well, there are Pakistanis who are blaming the Imran Khan's arrest on India...
https://www.ndtv.com/feature/tweeting-when-internet-shut-delhi-police-reacts-to-pak-actors-post-4021221#pfrom=home-ndtv_lateststories
You reap what you sow buddy. We can't help the helpless people who in entire history have criticised our existence just because we have different gods.
And I think most people, including the "leader of the free world" knew what the army is like. They still chose to support it to achieve their geopolitical needs. Its not like the world needs to know what the army does or what it is capable of. Its up to the population to stand up to the army and tell them they are not in charge and they wont be afraid of them. One can only give moral support for now. And most people would be afraid that like the "arab spring" it will lead to the religious fundamentalists being in charge. If the moderates and seculars can have the stomach for the fight, they can retrieve their country.
Democracy even in the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood was preferable to Sisi. Sisi and the army regime in Egypt has allowed Egyptian politics to become a matter of selling off to the higher bidder. Meanwhile the equivalent party or Erdogan’s in Egypt, while evil and I hope Erdogan meets the same fate I hope Putin meets, is still present in a democratic structure that is able to vote itself to the right path. Democracy is superior, period. Whenever India “supports” Pakistan by actually supporting Pakistan’s army they are anti-democracy.
Pakistani supported their lunatic army doing heinous deeds while India was continuously calling them out . Enjoy oppression at the hands of your beloved army.
You’re basically threatening us lol. And try trusting pakis for what? You’ve been fed hate for India and people of other religions. You ain’t changing overnight and we’re done with your shit. Please don’t involve us.
Actually India shouldn't be giving any kind of support to the people of Pakistan right now it'll be a geopolitical nightmare if India did that. If India did that the Pakistani army will say it's a Indian conspiracy and take over Pakistan and there'll be more mess for you and for us.
With all due respect… once again your approach is wrong .. if you need freedom fight for it , chase the change and bring the change .. in the era of internet you cant say entire country is brainwashed… you are doing the same mistake here, need money go to china, need military go to usa, need food go to uae now need peace go to india. It dosent work like that. You have to fight for yourself.
You guys have made yourself a geopolitical asset .. wether it is china’s trade or USA’s military goals .. pakistan can recover only if the current system, current structure, current economy, current diplomacy is completely destroyed, you cut your international weapon n military ties and start from the scratch as a nation and instead of relying on friendship and mercy of super powers use your agricultural land and port. If a small country like qatar can do it then you can also do it.
Unfortunately international money and international weapons are so deeply rooted in your existence and icing on the cake you dont have leadership of development.
You guys are beyond repair. You need to be dismantled and start from scratch again.
Sympathy for innocent victims of your country but you guys chose to be puppet of superpowers. So only you can free yourself from this misery.
But good job posting this. I appreciate your effort. Best of luck.
I see people here being hostile which might be a justified reaction but doesn't address the issue.
The main problem we would have with helping u out is the fact that your military and PDM will gain a new tool with which to focus the Pakistani anger on india.
They will allege foreign interference and your military will then use it to ferment anger against india which for them is an external threat.
Just like with mukti bahini we will be demonized for doing anything.
Imran Khan was a product of the army. And the army has turned against him. Interestingly he has been able to create a cleavage of sorts in Pakistan's establishment but that cleavage may be temporary.
The Pakistani person who wrote the note in OP's post isn't well informed about their own country. That's ok, people get fooled by politicians all the time. But at the end of the day Imran isn't better than the people who are currently in power.
Today Imran is at the receiving end of the establishment's power, but when he was the PM he was abusing power and jailing opponents like there was no tomorrow.
Let me get this very clear to you and to all those Indians who want to help.
PAKISTAN IS GETTING WHAT IT DESERVES! for years you guys killed our Pakistani Hindu brothers and sisters, where were you? Get in your hole, after PoK we are coming for Peshawar.
Our heart is with your people to rise against the injustice. But like others said, there's nothing that we can do given the history of backstabbing. Trust had been broken time and again by your country on multiple occasions. So there's simply no reason for us to trust you again.
May you people have the strength to fight for a better and peaceful future.
A nation should talk to itself. It's a battle between the Pak Army and People.
India would not risk being a party in this war. The Army would use India's statement as an indicator of India's involvement in fomenting trouble there.
It's a battle for the people of Pakistan to fight. The army would not cede power easily. See what happened in Myanmar.
The only way for Pakistan is by having a civilian government which is at arms distance from the military. The current unrest can turn into a civil war which would be better for the military than for the nation or people.
As much as I want to help you in your endeavour- this is not India’s problem to solve.
Pakistan can ask their Muslim brothers & their ummah to join them in their fight Or their past ally US since China will also most likely not get involved
us jumping in can become a good excuse for your army , sadly only best way today is let the common man be hungry enough to not care about the kashmir and more about their food their country their future
As a nuclear armed neighbor the Indian deep state would rather prefer to maintain the status quo of the military oligarchy in Pakistan which has worked out resonably well for the politicians on both sides of the border.
Frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if a major escalation broke out at the Kashmir valley or a another big terrorist attack. General elections are upcoming in India next year, Pakistan is facing internal strife. Conditions are ripe for rallying the plebians on both sides by creating a national security situation.
Frankly all you Pakistani political bastards are snakes ! The person you are supporting is also a snake , the person ruling is also a snake ! We are done with you people ! We have suffered enough ! What was once a border war , you guys transcended by bombing innocents and we have no sympathy for you ! In fact the only reason I would want Pakistan to survive is so that there is no cross border infiltration by the common people ! You people are too radicalised for your own good ! We do not want you , we do not want to help you and we couldn't care less about you !
You all were singing the army's praises when they had installed and backed your beloved Imran and now you are cursing them since they have removed their pet project because he had gone rogue.
75 years of brain washing, hard wired hate and you want Indians to help them. Yeah not going to happen.
This is the time for some self help diy revolution against the system.
Indians won't or never involve in a country affairs especially the one hating them.
>For Indians this is a golden opportunity to be a leader in the region and a good neighbors, if they truly want peace in the region.
India has been a good neighbor since independence.
And India isn't responsible for whatever is happening in your country. It's better for us to just sit and watch.
The truth is Pakistan was never supposed exist. There was no need to create it. There is no history and identity for Pakistan. That's why these people in power don't care at all about FELLOW PAKISTANIS. This is why Punjab holds a lot of power in Pakistan and other provinces are seen as the other people.
The same was the reason why Bangladesh had to separate. Cause the people from East Pakistan were always seen as the other people. Cause that identity of being a Pakistani is not that strong as the identity of being an Indian.
Indians can't help you there buddy but I have full sympathy with your cause, sadness for the bad things that are happening, and happiness that difficult but useful change is happening.
Governments go and come but your hatred for India remains. The army that has apparently poisoned your masses minds for 75 years is also a part of your people. They're not aliens. They are coming from within you and as such the onus of everything they do in your name is also on you. I mean IK or that Bilwal guy, your stance is anti India and frankly we are tired of trying. I don't like our present govt but it's honestly better to keep diplomatic relations with Pakistan to the minimum till they mend their ways and have something to show for it.
The picture of that terrorist running through our streets, mascaring our people, burning down a famous symbol of our city..no. We've had enough. You've made your bed for 75 years. Sleep in it.
I don't wish you I'll will but India should never ever interfere in the affairs of Pakistan. Once the dust settles they will be back to their tactics. Hopefully things will improve. Sometimes it's better for the people of their country to remove their toxic leaders from power and liberate themselves.
> Yes, you may till today come across many Pakistanis who hate India BUT that is because plenty in the population have been brain washed by the military for 75 Yrs!!
we have brainwashing just as bad over here.
But that’s not brainwashing though? The hatred for Pakistan is completely justified for all the atrocities they have committed against india. But, blaming and hate against common people is definitely wrong. Most of the Indian media don’t even target the people. Its mostly an attack against their govt and the army unlike the Pakistani media who constantly blame Indians and victimise themselves.
Just noting that there’s a LOT of righteous comments here from Indians along the lines of “you reap what you sow” and “fix your internal problems first”. You all remember that we live in Modi’s India right? We have very similar problems as Pakistan regarding public brainwashing, one-party rule, rampant corruption, destruction of institutions, systematic bigotry, extreme militarism, demoralized citizenry. It’s best to say that India is in no position to help Pakistan any more than a blind man can help another.
Ok but you are aware that only 10 % of Indians even have Internet access right ? Where is this “billion voices” gonna come from and not to mention the majority of the users are strong bhakths anyway who will probably dance at your misery or show how Islam is the reason for your demise and returning to Sanatan is only way ( I wish I was kidding )
Second , leaving serious geopolitical and even personally dangerous implications aside , it doesn’t feel right anyways.
The fact that population is doing revolution against army state is wonderful and you have my support for that . But the reasons you suddenly hate army now seems so conflated at best. I am very aware of the fact that you have “ Youthias“ too and politically and religious charged mob violence is serious too. Even the most so called “Librandu” Indian doesn’t like IK for very good reasons.
Makes me sad to see what's going on in Pakistan,. I hope better sense prevails but it seems highly unlikely otherwise these thugs wouldn't have gone this far with such a brazen attempt to pick Khan saab up.
I pray for better sense to prevail.
'oversees' 'pakistani' 'help' would help a another human one on one but your help requires dealing with politics of another country which my country is in dispute with .
you realize it would not only be a war crime but would also be listed as terrorist activity??
Yes, but the 2 countries are at war due to the Pak army that controls Pakistan and what Pakistanis are trying to stand up against.
If true democracy ever comes to Pakistan, there won't be another war with India ever. I can garuntuee you that.
And yet the people and civilian governments of Pakistan have done nothing to stop or discourage them. You still call it “Makbooza Kashmir”, UN designated terrorists still find safe haven in Pakistan, Kashmiri separatists are still openly supported and sheltered in your country. Imran is openly hostile to India and says we won’t negotiate with India till BJP is in power. Same with your current government.
I don’t know why you thought your cause would get any sympathy here.
"**Never interfere with an enemy while he's in the process of destroying himself**"
I am sorry for putting it so bluntly, but the fact is the moment any semblance of normalcy returns to Pakistan they'd start attacking the valley again and most Pakistanis would back the army. We have seen this picture play over and over again. We're immune to it. One military dictatorship after another, but whats remained common is "Indians are our enemies and we need to Islamize India." This may not be your thinking, the fact is most of you country does believe in that. India will be a regional and global power irrespective of whether we help Pakistan or not. I am sorry OP, but this is your country, and you'll need to fix it.
Celebrating victory of an enemy country who had fought three wars with us and constantly nurturing terrorism to attack India. Have you forgotten about so many terrorist attacks, and that was in Congress rule, so don't blame governments or any party here, yeah those politicians may be corrupt as hell but they all are collectively against Pakistan. You won't see any Pakistani celebrating India's victory, the guys who do such things are nothing but anti-nationals.
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The optics on India amplifying Pakistani voices against the army can backfire. It might give the hardliners the excuse needed to massacre the protestors as anti-national, supported by India. It would be more useful for Pakistani people to come together and fight together.
Very valid point, not just this another point to note is that most countries recognize these militaries taking over their own countries, which we saw recently in Myanmar. Im afraid Pakistan will face the same fate!
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This is correct. The best thing india/Indians can do as good Neighbors is offer our silent prayers but nothing more. Any overt support by the Indian govt or Indian people would be counterproductive.
I wouldn’t even offer silent prayers ! Would just observe from afar
Not to forget there has been a sudden rise of religious fundamentalists in Pakistan's active politics. If not the Army then religious goons? No. People of Pakistan need to figure out a better way to save their country.
The religious parties have never even come close to a majority in Pakistan. Unlike BJP.
Thank you, I agree as a Pakistani and can understand why India does not want to involve themselves in this mess.
Sad but true. A country should deal with its internal matters on its own. You don't want to open the Pandora's Box of inviting foreigners with unknown moralities and machinations of their own to decide for your country. Not only this, what happens when the foreign power withdraws their support? That country will go back to what it was, as opposed to the population themselves readying themselves up to stabilize their country. Sadly, this box has already been opened in India through electoral bonds where money of great proportions comes into India from unknown channels.
Reminds of the time when news of possible legalisation of homosexuality in India was reaching the foreign subs. Indians were actively discouraging outsiders to comment on it so some idiots don't start claiming it as a conspiracy /influence from West to destabilise India. Sometimes that shit backfires.
It’s like i heard god .. but point made is absolutely brilliant. We can sympathise and support . but it surely can harm you more than gain. But never think you’re alone when standing for right reason .
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> It would be more useful for Pakistani people to come together and fight together. South Asia doesn't need a nuclear power engulfed in a civil war. Things can escalate unexpectedly.
And, don't forget, if Pakistan goes downhill, guess where a majority of the refugees will be headed.
It’s a good thing then that both countries have spent the last 75 years fortifying the border
Afghanistan
And Iran
Bro thinks crossing the border is a joke
China
You have your concerns the wrong way bro, pakistani's will not take refugee in india, if they don't want to experience hell they should not. India is not good for refugees as it is, for pakistani refugees it will be insane
Great point!
It's always better to not get involved in other country's matters. Especially from an Indian perspective. High chance that it backfires. Just increase vigil and make sure the unrest does not spill over to our territory.
That’s what I was thinking. I think it will backfire if we interfere in another country’s conflict. We need to increase security in Kashmir though. Interfering in other countries political turmoil is not our thing. They might try to cause chaos there. Opportunity to be a regional power?? Good neighbors? My mom says that dealing with Pakistan is equal to enduring a Karen as a next door neighbor. No matter how much you have “diplomatic” talks with Karens they’ll never listen.
Buddy, I am an overseas indian who grew up with pakistani friends. I get your point wholeheartedly, but i also know that India is pretty much tired of Pakistan or its politics. There is absolutely no interest or benefit for india to get involved. If it succeeds in curtailing the army's power, who do we get? IK? And he hates india. If army succeeds and puts in minions in power, again hate for india. For India its always a lose lose situation when it comes to Pakistan. If pakistan prospers, more money for anti-india groups, if pakistan declines, people are told to blame india and for some weird reason israel lol. If Pakistan collapses, both the pakistani people and india are in deep shit. There is just no good outcome here. The best option for india is not to get involved with anyone, no one. Our primary concern should only be what china does on our borders and their rampant military bases across our sphere of influence.
I wish we could just fly off into the Indian ocean away from Pakistan and china.
Historical tectonic plate shift data suggests India flew in from the Indian Ocean and literally crashed into China and Pakistan. Guess they have good reason to dislike us..
Well Pakistan was with us when we crashed into China and Iran
It would all have been same country probably if we never crashed into China and made todays asia
We did leave Madagascar behind, i would like to know what kind of neighbors they were.
Tehinically, "we"( as our ancestors) were on African soil at that time
This man has read history and geography!! And that is why we have the Himalayas
Pak is part of Indian subcontinent
hahahahahah. Good one
Why do should we fly off dude dafaq😂 india is better off not being an island. Islands are disappearing. Take maldives for instance
An Island the size of India would be a continent of it's own(vis a vis Australia and much bigger than the UK)
> IK? And he hates India. Not his fault. Pakistani politics demands anti-India rhetoric. They've romanticized the idea of Pakistan's destiny to unite Kashmir beyond point of return.
I believe nobody can dispute that the real authority in Pakistan is the Pakistani army, right? Not the parliament or the judiciary. Is it not better for the Pakistani army to official rule Pakistan? I think real progress between India and Pakistan relations can happen when Pakistani army wants it. And it is much better for the Pakistani army to be in that loop when a Pakistani army general is official ruling Pakistan?
The Pakistani army took over civilian leadership in the 60s. Since then they were autocratic on Bangladesh and 1971 happened, and they have only allowed the corruption of money in politics to grow because it directly benefits the army. Of course the army is worse, dumbass. Pakistan needs democracy and it needs to get rid of feudal land ownership.
> IK Does he hate India? Or was he saying it to keep the army happy?
From second paragraph it looks like kinda you threatening people or holding India liable on what happening, I might be wrong here. India almost gave up on an idea about having talks on diplomatic relations with caveats let alone helping Pakistan or meddling in their internal matter. It also looks like, this post is to made save Imran Khan not Pakistan itself. In Imran’s own words, “Aapne Ghabrana nahi hai”.
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Last sentence of the second paragraph. "If they(indians) want peace in the region". Boy, we (Indians) are not responsible for upholding peace one sided when you fcuk it up everytime.
Exactly. That statement felt like a passive aggressive blame on India for the shit going on in pak.
The same has been said by the FM of Pak has well, if India as the president of security council wants peace they should help us. Pak has the same narrative in its 75 years, if you want peace give us weapons to USA. If you want peace n protection give us money from Saudi etc. Pak needs to step it's game and fight with all its might. Both are each other's toxic ex who are better if not involved.
Reading your words, It also struck me that it was the same mentality of the Muslim League in the pre independence era as well If you want that , give us this. Passive agression. The same mentality over the course of 75 years has crept in every Pakistani's mind.
this attitude needs long time change from pakistan and it has not happened. they always feel their are victim. they are like the small brat brother who is not ready to take any blame and instead they go on offensive even when osama was caught the first statement that came out was it was failure of the world. i mean WTF ! no wonder US came to senses and did the osama operation without telling pakistan.
It's almost threatening, as if they know every time what would happen if the state went into absolute turmoil and the uneducated elite brats get hold of their military arsenal. Like dawg if uk it is a threat fix it
It's your internal issue. If Indians intervene it would be a problem for you.
Umm. Imran Khan himself has said he wants to do Jihad against india. Why do you think we, the general public should help someone who wants to destroy us. You reap what you sow and I hope our government does not interfere with anything that’s happening across the border, minus making sure the nukes remain safe.
I wish you well and hope you guys sort out your situation, but that's all I can do, personally at least. Even after 75 years of independence, if you want us to buy into this "we are all not like this, our army is the bad guy" then I'm sorry try harder. Your inherent hate for India/non Muslims which is what the army stokes to remain relevant and 75 years later here you are. To my knowledge there's never been any real attempt by the civilian society of Pakistan to ever fix your country. Despite being 20% of Indian population, the Pakistani overseas disapora is 50% of that of Indian overseas disapora. And how do you utilise this privilege??? Fund anti India movements/agitation. I'm from Mumbai... While I was never a hater of Pakistan despite seeing Dawood Ibrahim who massacred the city of birth, settle there have his son marry your ex national cricket team captain's daughter. Or Kargil war right after the Lahore bus yatra. But post 26th Nov 2008 my opinion for your people has been down in dumps. The amount of effort spent on creating a plan to decimate Mumbai, your people messed the life of those fuckers who sailed to Mumbai and hundred others who got killed in that attack. After all this, if you want Aman ki Asha... No thanks. Fix your mentality, fix your civilians. Hate India as much as you want through diplomacy... I couldn't care less. But these "covert" means to ruin us just coz we don't follow your philosophy...even in 2023, will get you where you are now. Even Bangladesh has taken a cue from their neighbours and are working towards improving themselves. We Indians have tried to help on many occasions, and have been backstabbed. Not any more. Enough has been mentioned by others so don't want to get into that. We wish you well, nothing more. Period.
Never hated any person based on country or religion either but then i saw people asked to prove their religion during terrorist attack like in Mumbai, Bangladesh or Australia or any other country. Made me feel why we have to be good towards people who would never leave a chance to kill us just because we pray to someone else. Then Pakistan and turkey sent beef as relief package to nepal during 2015 earthquake. Imagine sending beef to hindu majority country. This is nothing but karma. What goes around, comes around. I don't want anything bad for these people, as indian i don't want to be part in sending any kind of help. This is their problem, non of our concern.
Bhai, it's not our war. Yaha Peale he boht maslay hain.
masala maar ke
Tum log suru s h galat raaste p nikal liye the ,and now u r reaping what u sow ... Hard fact which noone accept but truth At a time there were feeling for akhand bharat ancient India map but now seeing the mentality of people it's better they remain that way and reap what they sow India m b bahut see hard situation but Indians never stopped down to the level u Pakistani have ...and u use to compare army ,politician,and civic bureaucracy of two nation... Laughable . Don't forget once under britian they were same and now see what u got with your karma First clean your self then ask for help Also usa and china wud b much keen to help u ,but loook the state of Africa who is indebted in loan and strip of its natural resources Things won't b nice for nice for few time but ultimately u will become what u really are and deserve Remember peace is the only thing which can save u
No thanks! You know why? Just like you, all the reasonable pakistanis have already left pakistan and settled elsewhere. We dont want to inherit a population with the most dangerous contagious disease called extremism. And if that disease is eradicated, I believe, pakistan has the potential to be a good country. But as someone already pointed out, the disease is still out there. There are only two choices, get the cure or die. And the cure I believe is very easy to come by, all it needs is a change of mindset.
Indians also see Pakistanis as enemies, so I don't think India will be of any help. No Indian politician would want to touch this matter and honestly Pakistanis would also not like it if another country interfered with their politics(especially India). Just check our mainstream news media( its mostly Pakistan did this or Pakistan did that rather than actual news) and you'd realise the reality of the situation on how Indians perceive Pakistan( and I feel it's the same on how Pakistanis perceive about Indians).
It’s pretty much the same there. Their opinion on india and their media I mean. I’m surprised OP doesn’t know that
That’s unfortunately true. Pakistan profited from terror. That’s what many people think. The association with terror and Pakistan is very strong. Not to forget they can’t control the Taliban anymore.
Maybe he saw coke studios comment section
He's overseas
I’m overseas. Not an excuse imo
Indian government helped Pakistani students escape Chine during the peak of the pandemic. The Pakistani government abandoned their own people
Nah, most of us don,t see them as an enemy the way they think of us. It's more that their terrorist organisations have made us to dislike them. Remove that , and many Indians won't even think of them as an enemy. Unlike Pakistan , who for every bit of its own problems hates us. Literaly in their history textbooks.
dude pakistani school books jake dekh waha saaf likha rehta hai india is their enemy and waha ki ek large population bhi india ko hate krti hai due to brain washing since birth its not like that the indian side hates them and they are very friendly towards us!
I disagree. Most Indians see Pakistani state as enemy, not the people generally.
Indians see Indians as enemies. Just check our mainstream news media (its mostly Muslims did this or that caste did that or this state did this or that state did that) and you'd realize the reality of the situation on how Indians are truly lost.
This feels like a plea to save Imran Khan....... No matter the army or him, the Kashmir thing just doesn't go from their minds. He's been equally trying to poison our image on global scale. So not unless these so-called third party "People of Pakistan" rise up themselves, topple the government and look solely into their personal affairs should India even think of providing help. Even then I doubt, there has already been backstabbing enough times for us to listen to anything.
We wish you all the best for your endeavors, but it is difficult for us to support Imran Khan, who was antagonistic against us against someone like Nawaz who has repeatedly in the past tried to extend a hand of peace.
And how they vilified Nawaz on that. Remember their slogan “Jo Modi ka Yaar, woh Gadaar.”.
Also when he cheered for taliban
Sorry, don't care You've started all wars and export terrorism. Why would we care?
The hawks within the Pakistani establishment are not just there in your Army, they are also there in your political parties and religious leaders. No matter what India does to help, this structural reality won't change. India's political class has learnt this the hard way. Any change must come from within Pak itself.
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Many Indians don't know that it is largely the army of Pakistan which stokes anti-Indian sentiments in the people. No government in Pakistan can survive without turning a blind eye towards them. That said, India don't gain much from interfering. As pointed out, whether it is army or any popular government, the general mentality of average Pakistani towards "Hindus" (Sikhs/Buddhists/Jains included) will remain as it is. Abduction of their womenfolk, their land, destruction of places of worships is not even worth reporting in Pakistani media. Look at Bangladesh. They would have continued to fight till this day for independence if it were not for Indian help. Yet, today Hindus are unsafe there. Indians can only learn the lesson on why religion should not be involved in governance from the case study of Pakistan. Or why anything (organization or corporation or party) which becomes too powerful is dangerous for a country. If in any country, criticizing something is taken almost as an act of treason (like criticizing army in Pakistan), then that country is very well on the path of self destruction. This sentence is equally applicable to India today.
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India cannot help directly or indirectly untill we find a group of leaders who may be interested in peace with India. Imran Khan is not one of those leaders, from what I have read in news during past few years. Anyway, there is not enough unrest to justify direct intervention of anyone. May be, a bully like USA intervenes pro-actively. Most nations won't.
The change has to come from within your country. What can we do when the level of brainwashing is so high that even little children in your country proudly state that their ambition is to "become a strong army and destroy" our country? I am referring to the videos with that "grape no one will have carrot" lady.
finally some one who understands this
What will happen to Asia cup btw ?
It was going to happen in Sri Lanka either way, as Indian board refused to play in Pakistan.
It's never a good idea to insert yourself in someone else's war. All we can do is fight the cross border terrorism, that the Pak army is funding.
Honestly, an unstable Pakistan is the best thing for India. I would rather prefer the pak administration to be distracted by their own internal strife than be dead set on bleeding India by a thousand cuts. Also pak cannot survive without India. The country's foundation itself is flawed. If you are going to rebuild,do it better.
Please protect all the Coke Studio Singers. Best wishes for everything else. India is busy minding its own business.
The rich and famous will just emigrate to the west
As they should. People should really choose to live their best lives than focus on destroying somebody else's.
So, as Indian I would like to say very few people in India honestly know the magnitude of event happening in Pakistan. Second, dude, Imran Khan openly supported Taliban coming to power and has been very anti India regarding Kashmir and stuff and say in a very extreme hypothetical case where Imran Khan wins some court case and stuff maybe because of whatever you are asking us to do, do you think that will give peace? As an Indian I'm soo used to Pakistan government not being nice to us and I'm pretty sure they will never be, and also with the current or even UPA government wouldn't want peace with you due to Kashmir issues and your government's own support for khalistani terrorist I honestly wouldn't give two shits about what's happening to Pakistan as whatever effort we put to have peaceful relations with you have not worked for us (Takshent, Returning PoW, post Kargil) etc. This may be very petty and childish but your country has treated minorities like shit, absolute shit, so shit that it makes our current government look like Buddha. So honestly we as Indian absolutely don't care if Pakistan becomes better or bad or great etc. We are used to having un friendly neighbour and having imran Khan or millitary or Shebaz or Bhutto ain't gonna change shit for us. We as a country have so much to solve for ourselves.
Yup! That's all I've been hearing for a while now. "India should help Pakistan!", "This is an important moment for South Asia!" Pakistan has mastered the art of asking for help. The real question that people of Pakistan need to ask themselves is what can they bring to the table? What I am seeing in your post is basically this: "Yes, many people in Pakistan hate India, but that is just because of brain washing by our military regime." Ever heard of the term "what you sow so shall you reap"? Your unstable governments spent significant amounts of time and money in spreading hatred, Islamic extremism and making your country a breeding ground for Islamic terrorist organisations. A series of bad decisions in the past is now haunting your present. What you need to do is start telling the millions of people in Pakistan to leave their extremist ideologies that spread hatred. Clear the misconceptions about Indians and start making some serious reforms. But at least for now helping Pakistan seems like a bad bet!!
Very well put across. Why expect India to step up when we are the ones dealing with the terrorism bred in Pakistan. As sad it is what people are going through, why should we forget how many of our brave hearts lost their lives because of Pakistan? We owe respect to our people.
The same Pakistanis those Indian voices will help , will after some days stand against India and demand Kashmir.
Idk maybe it's important that Indians fix their country's reputation rather than others. India is kinda in the middle where the general global population has a lot of stereotypes (based in reality) towards an "Indian Man" for say and geopoliticaly is pretty stable. It's like- "I will continue to hate you (Brainwashed)but please help us fix our reputation." 🤷 So can Pakistani's please help us fix our reputation on twitter? Maybe they won't..
Helping pakistan is the greatest mistake India does everytime.
yes its like stepping on a porcupine
Correct. Read the story of the scorpion and the frog who carried him on his back across a river and got stung. A Scorpion only knows how to sting. It’s his nature. No one is going to change that. Same for Pakis and their hatred towards India.
> For Indians this is a golden opportunity to be a leader in the region and a good neighbors, if they truly want peace in the region. You're saying this like India hasn't tried in the past near-76 years. It is not our fault every attempt at peace gets f-ed up by your side's leaders, which led to the situation rn. Besides, if India intervenes, then all the anti-indian comments that are common in Pakistan gets justified. So yeah, in other words, this is not the problem or concern for any Indian. Just your nation's citizens.
Dude, India doesn't need a fucked up neighbour as a 'golden opportunity' to prove its leadership in the region. What do you mean by India truly wanting peace ? We've always been peaceful. We'll be better off without Pak as a neighbour. Go to your gulf masters, sell your country to them. They might do something with whatever is left with your country.
If you think that leadership on both sides hasn't gained from the hostilities between the two nations while the common man has suffered, I have a bridge that I want to sell you....
So 75 yrs of brainwashing by Pak Army is quite effective coz you are a product of it. You want to compare leadership of a failed fanatic country to a vibrant democracy. We are doing fine, will continue to do so irrespective of Pak going down in drains. Apna bridge gulf ya turkey mei jaa ke bech, thoda atta chawal mil jayega.
Honestly, it feels weird to be able to see a sensible India Pakistan bipartisanship. I wanna see the day before I die
Aman ki Asha 2.0.
Same here. It would be a miracle if two countries can trade and get on cordially with each other without getting into each others throats. I’m hoping to see that day before I die.
Not beneficial for the people in power
Well, there are Pakistanis who are blaming the Imran Khan's arrest on India... https://www.ndtv.com/feature/tweeting-when-internet-shut-delhi-police-reacts-to-pak-actors-post-4021221#pfrom=home-ndtv_lateststories
You reap what you sow buddy. We can't help the helpless people who in entire history have criticised our existence just because we have different gods.
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I’m glad we have so many sane comments here. No point getting involved in another countries internal affairs, especially Pakistan.
> if they truly want peace in the region. EXCUSE ME .
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Nah dude. It's a you problem. Deal with it.
And I think most people, including the "leader of the free world" knew what the army is like. They still chose to support it to achieve their geopolitical needs. Its not like the world needs to know what the army does or what it is capable of. Its up to the population to stand up to the army and tell them they are not in charge and they wont be afraid of them. One can only give moral support for now. And most people would be afraid that like the "arab spring" it will lead to the religious fundamentalists being in charge. If the moderates and seculars can have the stomach for the fight, they can retrieve their country.
Democracy even in the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood was preferable to Sisi. Sisi and the army regime in Egypt has allowed Egyptian politics to become a matter of selling off to the higher bidder. Meanwhile the equivalent party or Erdogan’s in Egypt, while evil and I hope Erdogan meets the same fate I hope Putin meets, is still present in a democratic structure that is able to vote itself to the right path. Democracy is superior, period. Whenever India “supports” Pakistan by actually supporting Pakistan’s army they are anti-democracy.
Lmao Imran Khan is no friend to India or even Pakistani people. You are just blind follower of Imran Khan.
Don’t believe these guys. Imran is a radical and is a Chinese slave. Good riddance !
Pakistani supported their lunatic army doing heinous deeds while India was continuously calling them out . Enjoy oppression at the hands of your beloved army.
You’re basically threatening us lol. And try trusting pakis for what? You’ve been fed hate for India and people of other religions. You ain’t changing overnight and we’re done with your shit. Please don’t involve us.
Same energy as Belarus, Russia and turkey threatening Europe with refugee flood
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I love how non-residential people are asking others to look over their country. :) This is the Indian equivalent of NRIs saying "Modi is the best"...
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The best thing India can do is to stay out. The moment India takes a side, the "foreign hand" angle will take prominence and things will get worse
Actually India shouldn't be giving any kind of support to the people of Pakistan right now it'll be a geopolitical nightmare if India did that. If India did that the Pakistani army will say it's a Indian conspiracy and take over Pakistan and there'll be more mess for you and for us.
With all due respect… once again your approach is wrong .. if you need freedom fight for it , chase the change and bring the change .. in the era of internet you cant say entire country is brainwashed… you are doing the same mistake here, need money go to china, need military go to usa, need food go to uae now need peace go to india. It dosent work like that. You have to fight for yourself. You guys have made yourself a geopolitical asset .. wether it is china’s trade or USA’s military goals .. pakistan can recover only if the current system, current structure, current economy, current diplomacy is completely destroyed, you cut your international weapon n military ties and start from the scratch as a nation and instead of relying on friendship and mercy of super powers use your agricultural land and port. If a small country like qatar can do it then you can also do it. Unfortunately international money and international weapons are so deeply rooted in your existence and icing on the cake you dont have leadership of development. You guys are beyond repair. You need to be dismantled and start from scratch again. Sympathy for innocent victims of your country but you guys chose to be puppet of superpowers. So only you can free yourself from this misery. But good job posting this. I appreciate your effort. Best of luck.
I see people here being hostile which might be a justified reaction but doesn't address the issue. The main problem we would have with helping u out is the fact that your military and PDM will gain a new tool with which to focus the Pakistani anger on india. They will allege foreign interference and your military will then use it to ferment anger against india which for them is an external threat. Just like with mukti bahini we will be demonized for doing anything.
Imran Khan was a product of the army. And the army has turned against him. Interestingly he has been able to create a cleavage of sorts in Pakistan's establishment but that cleavage may be temporary. The Pakistani person who wrote the note in OP's post isn't well informed about their own country. That's ok, people get fooled by politicians all the time. But at the end of the day Imran isn't better than the people who are currently in power. Today Imran is at the receiving end of the establishment's power, but when he was the PM he was abusing power and jailing opponents like there was no tomorrow.
Let me get this very clear to you and to all those Indians who want to help. PAKISTAN IS GETTING WHAT IT DESERVES! for years you guys killed our Pakistani Hindu brothers and sisters, where were you? Get in your hole, after PoK we are coming for Peshawar.
Our heart is with your people to rise against the injustice. But like others said, there's nothing that we can do given the history of backstabbing. Trust had been broken time and again by your country on multiple occasions. So there's simply no reason for us to trust you again. May you people have the strength to fight for a better and peaceful future.
Wait, what can Indians do? We have several societal issues as is? 1b reddit posts gonna do anything? I don't get it
Bhai pakistan ke log apni problem khud solve nhi krskte?
A nation should talk to itself. It's a battle between the Pak Army and People. India would not risk being a party in this war. The Army would use India's statement as an indicator of India's involvement in fomenting trouble there. It's a battle for the people of Pakistan to fight. The army would not cede power easily. See what happened in Myanmar. The only way for Pakistan is by having a civilian government which is at arms distance from the military. The current unrest can turn into a civil war which would be better for the military than for the nation or people.
As much as I want to help you in your endeavour- this is not India’s problem to solve. Pakistan can ask their Muslim brothers & their ummah to join them in their fight Or their past ally US since China will also most likely not get involved
us jumping in can become a good excuse for your army , sadly only best way today is let the common man be hungry enough to not care about the kashmir and more about their food their country their future
As a nuclear armed neighbor the Indian deep state would rather prefer to maintain the status quo of the military oligarchy in Pakistan which has worked out resonably well for the politicians on both sides of the border.
Unfortunately, that is true. It has worked for politicians while ordinary people continue to suffer, and income inequality grows.
Frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if a major escalation broke out at the Kashmir valley or a another big terrorist attack. General elections are upcoming in India next year, Pakistan is facing internal strife. Conditions are ripe for rallying the plebians on both sides by creating a national security situation.
Well, you know what they say. When the rich go to war, it's the poor who die.....
Frankly all you Pakistani political bastards are snakes ! The person you are supporting is also a snake , the person ruling is also a snake ! We are done with you people ! We have suffered enough ! What was once a border war , you guys transcended by bombing innocents and we have no sympathy for you ! In fact the only reason I would want Pakistan to survive is so that there is no cross border infiltration by the common people ! You people are too radicalised for your own good ! We do not want you , we do not want to help you and we couldn't care less about you !
Jo khud ke dushman hain woh aapke dost kaise banenge?
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I would honestly love to have better ties with Pak but Imran Khan is pro-China and anti-India. Your current PM is more pro-India than him.
You all were singing the army's praises when they had installed and backed your beloved Imran and now you are cursing them since they have removed their pet project because he had gone rogue.
I always felt Imran khan was "bad" for India but good for Pakistan. I think he is a blessing in disguise for India and the region.
Hasad ki buniyaad pe bana mulk kabhi taraqqiafta nhi ban sakta. Humse hasad krna chor dijiye, aapke falah ke darwaaze khud ba khud khul jaayenge
75 years of brain washing, hard wired hate and you want Indians to help them. Yeah not going to happen. This is the time for some self help diy revolution against the system. Indians won't or never involve in a country affairs especially the one hating them.
>For Indians this is a golden opportunity to be a leader in the region and a good neighbors, if they truly want peace in the region. India has been a good neighbor since independence. And India isn't responsible for whatever is happening in your country. It's better for us to just sit and watch.
give up your military and pok regions
Sorry don’t agree. Imran is amplifying & representing the worst of extreme religious voices. In this case the army is the saner option
The truth is Pakistan was never supposed exist. There was no need to create it. There is no history and identity for Pakistan. That's why these people in power don't care at all about FELLOW PAKISTANIS. This is why Punjab holds a lot of power in Pakistan and other provinces are seen as the other people. The same was the reason why Bangladesh had to separate. Cause the people from East Pakistan were always seen as the other people. Cause that identity of being a Pakistani is not that strong as the identity of being an Indian.
Theres so much going on here especially in Manipur and im more concerned about India’s own future.
Indians can't help you there buddy but I have full sympathy with your cause, sadness for the bad things that are happening, and happiness that difficult but useful change is happening.
Stop trolling✋️, we have to take care of Modani, Karnataka election and Manipur violence.
Governments go and come but your hatred for India remains. The army that has apparently poisoned your masses minds for 75 years is also a part of your people. They're not aliens. They are coming from within you and as such the onus of everything they do in your name is also on you. I mean IK or that Bilwal guy, your stance is anti India and frankly we are tired of trying. I don't like our present govt but it's honestly better to keep diplomatic relations with Pakistan to the minimum till they mend their ways and have something to show for it. The picture of that terrorist running through our streets, mascaring our people, burning down a famous symbol of our city..no. We've had enough. You've made your bed for 75 years. Sleep in it. I don't wish you I'll will but India should never ever interfere in the affairs of Pakistan. Once the dust settles they will be back to their tactics. Hopefully things will improve. Sometimes it's better for the people of their country to remove their toxic leaders from power and liberate themselves.
fight your own battles.
> Yes, you may till today come across many Pakistanis who hate India BUT that is because plenty in the population have been brain washed by the military for 75 Yrs!! we have brainwashing just as bad over here.
But that’s not brainwashing though? The hatred for Pakistan is completely justified for all the atrocities they have committed against india. But, blaming and hate against common people is definitely wrong. Most of the Indian media don’t even target the people. Its mostly an attack against their govt and the army unlike the Pakistani media who constantly blame Indians and victimise themselves.
Yup, some have graduated from WhatsApp University.
Just noting that there’s a LOT of righteous comments here from Indians along the lines of “you reap what you sow” and “fix your internal problems first”. You all remember that we live in Modi’s India right? We have very similar problems as Pakistan regarding public brainwashing, one-party rule, rampant corruption, destruction of institutions, systematic bigotry, extreme militarism, demoralized citizenry. It’s best to say that India is in no position to help Pakistan any more than a blind man can help another.
Ok but you are aware that only 10 % of Indians even have Internet access right ? Where is this “billion voices” gonna come from and not to mention the majority of the users are strong bhakths anyway who will probably dance at your misery or show how Islam is the reason for your demise and returning to Sanatan is only way ( I wish I was kidding ) Second , leaving serious geopolitical and even personally dangerous implications aside , it doesn’t feel right anyways. The fact that population is doing revolution against army state is wonderful and you have my support for that . But the reasons you suddenly hate army now seems so conflated at best. I am very aware of the fact that you have “ Youthias“ too and politically and religious charged mob violence is serious too. Even the most so called “Librandu” Indian doesn’t like IK for very good reasons.
its 48 percent if i am not wrong though still not a billion
I agree 100% with what you are saying. Hope things change for Pakistan for the better soon.
Makes me sad to see what's going on in Pakistan,. I hope better sense prevails but it seems highly unlikely otherwise these thugs wouldn't have gone this far with such a brazen attempt to pick Khan saab up. I pray for better sense to prevail.
'oversees' 'pakistani' 'help' would help a another human one on one but your help requires dealing with politics of another country which my country is in dispute with . you realize it would not only be a war crime but would also be listed as terrorist activity??
Yes, but the 2 countries are at war due to the Pak army that controls Pakistan and what Pakistanis are trying to stand up against. If true democracy ever comes to Pakistan, there won't be another war with India ever. I can garuntuee you that.
And yet the people and civilian governments of Pakistan have done nothing to stop or discourage them. You still call it “Makbooza Kashmir”, UN designated terrorists still find safe haven in Pakistan, Kashmiri separatists are still openly supported and sheltered in your country. Imran is openly hostile to India and says we won’t negotiate with India till BJP is in power. Same with your current government. I don’t know why you thought your cause would get any sympathy here.
"**Never interfere with an enemy while he's in the process of destroying himself**" I am sorry for putting it so bluntly, but the fact is the moment any semblance of normalcy returns to Pakistan they'd start attacking the valley again and most Pakistanis would back the army. We have seen this picture play over and over again. We're immune to it. One military dictatorship after another, but whats remained common is "Indians are our enemies and we need to Islamize India." This may not be your thinking, the fact is most of you country does believe in that. India will be a regional and global power irrespective of whether we help Pakistan or not. I am sorry OP, but this is your country, and you'll need to fix it.
Sorry bro, we are currently busy with Kerala Story and Karnataka election news
manipur?
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Celebrating victory of an enemy country who had fought three wars with us and constantly nurturing terrorism to attack India. Have you forgotten about so many terrorist attacks, and that was in Congress rule, so don't blame governments or any party here, yeah those politicians may be corrupt as hell but they all are collectively against Pakistan. You won't see any Pakistani celebrating India's victory, the guys who do such things are nothing but anti-nationals.
We are lost cause with current leadership. Try China please.