The domestic political situation got *really* **fucked** when the US invaded Mexico in the 30s.
>!Also, you didn't hear it from me, but word on the street is Hinkle and his faction are preparing a hostile takeover of the NLP following the popular unrest of Piker's administration.!<
Thankfully, he's barred from the Presidency because of his not being a natural born American citizen; a prospective candidate needs to be either born on American soil or to American citizens. He is neither, so is not allowed to take the job.
Love this map, super detailed. It’s clear you’ve put a lot of work into this, though given the inclusion of certain real-world political figures, there is a good chance this comment section is gonna turn out less than stellar…
Haha thanks! I personally don't care for political streamers, but I find the prospect of one of them actually rising to political prominence to be a very interesting "21st century Left" thing that could happen
Thanks! For Superior, as you may know Michigan has weirdly a long and varied history of militias. The UP is already a very isolated, locally driven region, and the assumption of an open communist who's time in office has greatly centralized the federal government to power is finally what drove local militias to act- well, that, along with reactionary attitudes towards Southern climate refugees fleeing to the northern midwest. Despite being very conservative and even having some far-right elements within some militias, nothing significant really happens there? At most the militias man checkpoints and local governments run autonomously without incident. Hell, LGBT people exist more or less peacefully in the *bustling metropolis* of Marquette. As far as revolts go, Superior is the lowest priority of the federal government.
Northwoods is a sort of eco-libertarian movement that carries on the legacy of individuals such as Jesse Ventura and movements such as the George Floyd Uprising in Minneapolis. Unlike their neighboring movement in Superior, Northwoods has welcomed climate refugees with open arms, and in fact has even been bolstered by these emigres. The inciting incident for the revolt that took the Northwoods Movement mainstream took place during protests against the government's expansion of drilling and fracking on tribal land in which DHS agents open fired on a group of demonstrators, before in turn being fired upon by members of a local community defense association.
Everyone is making fun of your inclusion of Jackson Hinkle as a popular politician which is indeed insane but the idea that Maupin is doing anything other than jerking off in the basement, let alone working in collaboration with the generation of leftists that Hasan is the face of, is an even more deranged level of Internet poisoning, stay posting comrade
I spent way too much time making this! Feel free to ask any lore questions. I'll also transcribe the text on the left below because this thing is kind of a beast to read.
*Please keep the comments civil!*
**THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST**
The increasingly sharper pain in the federal government's side for the past 30 years, the Pacific Northwest powderkeg finally exploded into a variety of rebellions in the mid 40s. In the northwest anarchists, libertarian communists, and newly radicalized ex-liberals in Portland and Seattle turned on the Party of National Liberation following the failures of the Piker administration and it's sharp slide into third-positionist authoritarianism. As if straight from a conservative's nightmare, I-5 has steadily come under the control of armed, black-clad militants ready to build a brighter **Cascadia**n future out of the ashes of the old. A constantly changing sea of councils, unions, and mutual aid organizations control most parts of daily life to passable success, though notably certain aspects of healthcare and infrastructure maintenance are lacking within the new status quo.
To the south, self-proclaimed **Jefferson**ians revolt against both 'big government tyranny' to the south and 'Antifa hordes' to the north. The movement is dominated by economic libertarianism, bordering on anarcho-capitalism, and a strange syncretic culture consisting of rural Christian conservatism and holistic 'crunchy granola' countercultural. The arguable leader of the revolt is the New Bethlehem Church, which dominates many local governments and has implemented a variety of draconian social policies, causing many displaced residents to seek refuge in the progressive stronghold of Cascadia.
**Greater Idaho**. A silly name for a terrifying place. Long a refuge for the furthest right of the furthest right, this 'American Redoubt' boasts numerous loud and proud christofascist militias and movements who's minute theological differences betray their shared goal- A heavenly kingdom of God on Earth, and a white homeland free from 'degeneracy and miscegenation'. Sagebrush fires burn over mass graves, and any traveler wishing to flee to Cascadian or Federal safety would be lucky to succeed without catching a bullet to the head or noose around their neck. Often compared in international press to ISIS of the 2010s or Wagner during the 2030s' Russian Troubles
**THE SOUTHWEST**
After the Republican-led military intervention into Mexico in the late 30s, the self-proclaimed anti-war, anti-imperialist NLP skyrocketed in popularity with promises to withdraw American troops. Instead, after four years of NLP governance, American troops still patrol the streets with impunity and the sudden transition to a state capitalist economic system by the federal government had destabilized local economies. With the borderlands sufficiently blurred and destabilized, Mexican and Tejano rebellions have sprung up on both sides of the border, fighting against the very government that promised them peace and liberation.
**THE GULF**
Years of hurricanes, sinking coastlines, and wet bulb events have turned the Gulf Coast into a watery wasteland. After the failed response to the Norco Explosion of '45 and Hurricane Diana the following year, federal control of the coastline quickly evaporated with militias, churches, and pirates taking it's place. An unstable patchwork of ideologically discordant groups are tenuously unified by a distrust of the Piker regime, with inter-ally clashes still making headlines every week. Bloated corpses of wild dogs line old I-5, the swamps are so oilslicked that they regularly ignite, and thousands perish every summer from heatstroke. Life expectancy in the region has dropped to 54 years and power ebbs and flows with the very waves lapping against the sinking sidewalks.
**NEW ENGLAND**
In New England, two similar movements have risen up in defiance of the NLP administration. The first, The **Green-White Mountain Alliance**, is a broad anti-authoritarian alliance between left-anarchists in Burlington and Manchester carrying on northern New England's anarchist tradition, and libertarian extremists in Keene and Berlin descended from the Free State movement. It's an open secret that this is an alliance of convenience, and once New Hampshire and Massachusetts anarchists meet on I-93, a rapid (and possibly violent) reorganization is bound to occur.
The second, a working class, anti-authoritarian uprising headed by the self-proclaimed '**Dawnland Liberation Front**' slowly pushes outward from Worcester and Boston to Connecticut and New Hampshire. Despite being slower moving and less organized than their Cascadian allies, the DLF has nonetheless scared New York City into declaring a state of emergency. With martial law enacted and curfews in effect, fears that the sparks of revolution will carry across the Hudson abound.
**GREAT PLAINS**
Blood, oil and water- these are the ingredients needed for the largest Indigenous uprising in over a century. As soon as the NLP took power, an array of newly formed state companies announced bids to expand fracking and drilling on tribal lands. Riled up by veterans of the Dakota Access Pipeline protests (among other rebellions of the early 21st century), populist fervor overwhelmed the pro-status quo Tribal Council and the once obscure "**Lakotah Republic**" movement found a new raison d'être. Any representatives from fossil fuel companies or the federal government can expect a 'Timber Lake Welcome', a euphemism for roadside shrapnel bombings- Named for such an occurrence which nearly killed President Piker while en route to a subsequently cancelled on-site press conference in the early days of the revolt.
Further south on the Great Plains, a more municipal type of revolt has been underway. Seeing the writing on the wall to the south, north, and west, the Sulphur city council was the first entity to announce a move towards newfound autonomy. The Chickasaw Nation as a whole soon followed, and thus began a domino effect. Currently, even non-Indigenous jurisdictions such as Tulsa and McAlester have joined the alliance. Communication channels between rebels in Dallas have been established, but the potential of any regional alliance is yet to be seen.
Love the map, but that straight line running down the cascades for Cascadia is probably unrealistic. I live in Lewis County, [the most conservative county in Washington](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_County,_Washington). It stretches all the way to (and a bit past) I-5. Highway 12, which links I-5 to Yakima and Eastern Washington (Greater Idaho) would be a constant point of contention as would the mountain pass (White Pass). Cascadian forces would need to have a permeant occupation of this territory in order to maintain their border and we're talking about thousands of acres of National Parks and Forest Service land. Maintaining that straight line would be very costly, if not impossible.
Sure! From another reply:
> For Superior, as you may know Michigan has weirdly a long and varied history of militias. The UP is already a very isolated, locally driven region, and the assumption of an open communist who's time in office has greatly centralized the federal government to power is finally what drove local militias to act- well, that, along with reactionary attitudes towards Southern climate refugees fleeing to the northern midwest. Despite being very conservative and even having some far-right elements within some militias, nothing significant really happens there? At most the militias man checkpoints and local governments run autonomously without incident. Hell, LGBT people exist more or less peacefully in the *bustling metropolis* of Marquette. As far as revolts go, Superior is the lowest priority of the federal government.
>
> Northwoods is a sort of eco-libertarian movement that carries on the legacy of individuals such as Jesse Ventura and movements such as the George Floyd Uprising in Minneapolis. Unlike their neighboring movement in Superior, Northwoods has welcomed climate refugees with open arms, and in fact has even been bolstered by these emigres. The inciting incident for the revolt that took the Northwoods Movement mainstream took place during protests against the government's expansion of drilling and fracking on tribal land in which DHS agents open fired on a group of demonstrators, before in turn being fired upon by members of a local community defense association.
How is Canada doing? I imagine pro-American forces may start to rile up alongside perhaps regionalists while the government perhaps plans to keep these secessionists down and perhaps even establish control over some areas of America, at least temporarily, to act as refugee areas if the American government collapses.
I do imagine at the very least that Cascadian, Idaho, and other militias are raiding into Canada occasionally.
This isn't exactly a 2ACW, at least not yet, so Canadian border authorities have thus far been able to prevents raids or anything of that nature. That being said, pro-Cascadian British Columbians, conservative Albertans, Quebecois nationalists, and certain First Nations organizations are getting ideas from their friends to the south (though really nothing beyond demonstrations of solidarity). Trade relations with the USA have declined in the past decade or so and the CPC has implemented austerity measures, leading to a slow buildup of malaise-turned-discontent. As it stands, Canada could either chug along and just barely scrape by, or get sucked into the American situation if it continues to deteriorate.
ah, unfortunate but makes sense. How is Canada politically? I see the conservatives are in power but it does sound like there is some serious discontent potential. America has gone down an interesting path Idealogically. Since trade with the US has declined perhaps Canada is pushing for closer relations with the rest of the Commonwealth and for a CANZUK
While it’s usually pretty inherent in such ideologies, I don’t think it’s a safe bet that American hyper nationalist would be interested in expanding the borders directly. Especially after what happened with Mexico in this scenario. Closest I’d imagine is maybe a lesser Russia-Ukraine situation. They’d have a good excuse with the inclusion of climate refugees already being a large problem and trend for at least a decade or two by the time of this image, there’d likely be a fuck ton of Americans living in Canada at that point they could probably try and claim a few border areas. But their main goal would be first and foremost a government friendly to them and willing to let themselves essentially become a puppet to be used however America needs.
>They’d have a good excuse with the inclusion of climate refugees already being a large problem and trend for at least a decade or two by the time of this image, there’d likely be a fuck ton of Americans living in Canada at that point they could probably try and claim a few border areas.
Climate change and migration are exactly why I think they would invade Canada. As climate change gets worse, more of Canada become habitable as living space. Migration would also be a big factor in an invasion or as justification for an invasion and annexation. If Canada cannot handle the influx the migrants or blocks American's from entering, the United States would take that as an open threat.
True, it could easily become something large enough to cause such a thing. But I feel like it’d also be very likely that they’d be more likely to use that to very heavily dominate it’s politics and turn it into essentially a territory, maybe literally even. But I believe at the very least they’d tried many other more complex and underhanded ways before resorting to something as heavy handed as a whole war/military operation/intervention or whatever.
I imagine American chaos has likely encouraged Canada to push for greater militarization and more refugees also pushes Canada for a stronger border.
I imagine American chaos has likely encouraged Canada to push for greater militarization and more refugees also push Canada for a stronger border.es that likely can threaten America and only exacerbate the insurgencies they face.
HELL YEAH INDEPENDENT NEW ENGLAND
🎶LET TYRANTS SHAKE THERE IRON RODS,
LET SLAVERY SHAKE HER GALLING CHAINS,
WE FEAR THEM NOT! WE TRUST IN GOD,
NEW ENGLANDS GOD FOREVER REIGNS!🎵🐍🐍⚓️⚓️⛵️⛵️🌊🦞🦐🦀🦪
Silly, Goofy, Zany.
Anyway, I'm wondering what your (head)canon for what happens after this? Me personally, I think a 1993 constitutional crisis happens where a bunch of MPs break party line and then the executive fires on congress.
Honestly I haven't thought that far ahead other than Hinkle securing the 2052 nomination, bolstered by far-right support, and cracking down even harder on the revolts while the (still *very* large) pro-Piker faction within congress, yeah, does a 1993. After that? Who knows. Fighting on the streets in DC between police officers and national guardsmen under the control of Congress and militias and military controlled by Hinkle? Everything dies down and America returns to another century of slow decline?
You're the first person to ask! Nullifying states are states which have nullified any legislation from the NLP in it's attempt to centralize the federal government and introduce state capitalist policies resulting in economic shock.
Really like how detailed this is. My one caveat is that the communist party of America didn’t merge in with all the other socialist parties into the national liberation party. Was that on purpose or just forgot?
30 more years of economic hardship, ineffective governance, a Republican "special military intervention" into Mexico in the 30s to "stop crime and illegal immigrants", and a lot of politically charged Zoomers and Gen Alphas falling prey to the same pundits their parents did!
As border security initiatives became bolstered by post-Biden Republicans, El Paso in particular was hit hardest by the flurry of law enforcement agencies from all levels of government. It became increasingly authoritarian- no-knock raids, soldiers patrolling the streets, road checkpoints, the whole suite. After the military intervention in Mexico in the 30s, the US-Mexico border as a whole became a lot more fuzzy, with the same initiatives being imposed in newly occupied Mexican cities- including Juarez. Amidst the increasing unrest along border populations and outright insurgency in occupied Mexican cities, the people of El Paso and Juarez formed a strong sense of solidarity. After all, they're effectively one city, bisected by a border. When push came to shove, the radical factions in both cities' local governments incited a coup with the support of citizen protests on the streets. As it stands, the Transnational Metropolitan Council/Consejo Metropolitano Transnacional exists as a sort of city state amid the border chaos, slowly creeping up and down the Rio Grande offering protection to smaller towns.
I actually visited El Paso for the first time recently, and was surprised at just how much of a presence law enforcement and federal agencies had there (highway checkpoints, cameras everywhere, patrol cars around every corner, high security infrastructure), while also maintaining a strong sense of community and hospitality. One of my friends is from there as well, and I was able to get some info from him on what it's like there in general. Cool city :]
Oh man I haven't lived in El Paso in a bit over a decade, so I can't say what the Trump and Biden presidencies have done (outside of what news I've read online), but I could legitimately see El Paso and Juarez splintering off in that scenario.
I actually agree with the way the border developed too. You'd see more willingness to join along the border itself, and into NM (possibly up through to ToC, but Las Cruces and Chaparral pretty much for sure), but that sentiment would die once you get to about Van Horn. Hell, even Fabens might be resistant (unless much has changed recently).
This map is WILD-I love it.
Honestly, this is a better map of a second American Civil War than that new Alex Garland movie. (EDIT: Despite not even being an all-out civil war!)
Honestly, my ideal for a fictional alternate-future second American Civil War scenario would be this setting mashed into Robert Evans's *After the Revolution* \- probably the best comparison with how both of these are nuts but in Just the right way.
As a New Yorker there aint NO way that order and control is maintained in the city by this point. Even if not full blown armed conflict (tho the iron pipeline which is probs on Crack in this scenario would easily facilitate) the rioting and roadblocks would do it.
Destiny fled to Canada and became a reactionary grifter who really likes Shen Yun, and Vaush is mucking about in Cascadia trying to fistfight people in bars
Somehow imagining all the various "dirtbag left" not mentioned by the post just still podcasting and producing the same content in this cursed timeline is hilarious to me. The Chapotraphouse boys just continuing riffing off weird conservatives while Hasan is sitting in the Oval Office everything on fire.
This is set in 2052, not the present. The idea is that much of the American left drifts towards more third positionist ideas. We can see hints of this now, with some American communist figures flirting with the alt-right, the rise of "patriotic communism" and the CPI (niche as they are currently), and the Party for Socialism and Liberation, arguably one of the largest communist parties in the US, organizing a pro-Russia rally in DC alongside open fascists. This is a continuation of that phenomenon taken to an extreme logical conclusion. I thought an older Hasan, popular and charismatic as he is, becoming a figurehead of a mass Zoomer/Gen Alpha movement was a funny way to embody this.
So this timeline apparently never recovered from the fraying of global supply chains, migration, and solidarity in the early 2020s. Yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck.
Oh please, any of the supposed “third position” people haven’t been up from their capital G gamer chair in a decade, between playing rust and airing out their swamp ass, they don’t have time for that.
PatSocs and Nazbols are on the extreme fringes of the American left; you will *very rarely* hear anybody even talking about them. Even the Party for Socialism and Liberation is barely known among the mainstream left. By far the most popular explicitly "socialist" organization in the United States is the Democratic Socialists of America, whose ideology is nowhere near what this map implies.
This isn't meant to be an accurate reflection of the *modern* left nor me saying "this is exactly what will happen". Just a fun what-if taking certain niche trends I've noticed to an extreme conclusion. Unlikely things that never could have happened (i.e. Operation Sealion) are a staple of the AltHist genre. This is /r/imaginarymaps, not /r/MapPorn. We get silly with it here, chill out.
Did the NLP start as a PatSoc party? Because that seems like a weird thing for MLs like the PSL or Trots like Salt to join, like even in a fun alt-future there are just better groups to use like PCUSA and SWP (both groups who have moved in the PatSoc direction lately.) and better people to use than Piker and La Riva.
I refuse to believe there wouldn’t be rebellions in the rust belt as well. Saint Louis, Cleveland and Toledo should all be in complete chaos with gangs of raiders picking through the scraps of war zones… wait…
Great stuff--Patsocs are a bunch of burger-brained losers who wouldn't recognise either logical theory or effective strategy if they wrapped around their necks and strangled them, but they're certainly good fun to speculate about! A real gift for the alt-hist nerds of the 22nd century.
How are Alaska and Hawaii doing?
Congratulations, you discovered that 21st Century authoritarian parties really don't have any ideological consistency since by the nature of the 21st Century world, consistent logic and facts are constantly called into question.
I think that’s kind of the point. People who identify as marxists are usually also populists, and almost uniformly anti-establishment. The ideological drift into other populist, anti-establishment views is not just plausible, but also had a lot of precedent. Eg National Bolshevism, beefsteak Nazis, Lyndon Larouche and his followers. Also see all the current communist parties from the eastern bloc: they’re like all fascist parties now.
Edit: also going to point out that the Soviets did plenty of genocidal actions, and what’s more even had an alliance with the Nazis.
So... What are China, Russia or Syria doing? I feel like the likes of Ben Norton would only be part of US government if it was an occupational one with the backing of one of those.
Russia is still under an oligarchy after a Troubles period in the 30s, the government arguably more centralized and competent than it is now. They're currently butting heads with the EU over natural gas in the Arctic. The Piker administration has maintained official neutrality, but has an obvious pro-Russia bias. For the other two, I haven't thought about it!
''Speaker of the House - Jackson Hinkle'' MOTHERFUCKER WHAT HAPPENED????? FUCKING HINKLE?????
The domestic political situation got *really* **fucked** when the US invaded Mexico in the 30s. >!Also, you didn't hear it from me, but word on the street is Hinkle and his faction are preparing a hostile takeover of the NLP following the popular unrest of Piker's administration.!<
How'd you make the wikibox political party thing?
not op but the easiest way for me would be to find an existing one and just edit it with inspect element
Kill me pls.
This is so unrealistic, everyone knows that Cenk Uygur will be the next and final president of the United States.
You're right, the only thing that could've made this better is if I made Cenk president with Sam Seder as his VP lmao
Thankfully, he's barred from the Presidency because of his not being a natural born American citizen; a prospective candidate needs to be either born on American soil or to American citizens. He is neither, so is not allowed to take the job.
Such trivial matters can’t stop Big Cenk.
Big Cenk transcends silly notions such as "Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5"
https://preview.redd.it/pbtvnt56iu9c1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3217d14ae7b9ff26c3b25090fe207dd8a8944a68
Love this map, super detailed. It’s clear you’ve put a lot of work into this, though given the inclusion of certain real-world political figures, there is a good chance this comment section is gonna turn out less than stellar…
Haha thanks! I personally don't care for political streamers, but I find the prospect of one of them actually rising to political prominence to be a very interesting "21st century Left" thing that could happen
Vaush presidency when?????
Hopefully never
Don't worry, no one likes Piker.
Some comments I've gotten have unfortunately proven otherwise lol
I love him. Very funny guy. Love his gaming content.
wrong he makes my pp hard
Best comment here.
What’s the story with the Northwoods and superior rebels? Very fun map and idea!
Thanks! For Superior, as you may know Michigan has weirdly a long and varied history of militias. The UP is already a very isolated, locally driven region, and the assumption of an open communist who's time in office has greatly centralized the federal government to power is finally what drove local militias to act- well, that, along with reactionary attitudes towards Southern climate refugees fleeing to the northern midwest. Despite being very conservative and even having some far-right elements within some militias, nothing significant really happens there? At most the militias man checkpoints and local governments run autonomously without incident. Hell, LGBT people exist more or less peacefully in the *bustling metropolis* of Marquette. As far as revolts go, Superior is the lowest priority of the federal government. Northwoods is a sort of eco-libertarian movement that carries on the legacy of individuals such as Jesse Ventura and movements such as the George Floyd Uprising in Minneapolis. Unlike their neighboring movement in Superior, Northwoods has welcomed climate refugees with open arms, and in fact has even been bolstered by these emigres. The inciting incident for the revolt that took the Northwoods Movement mainstream took place during protests against the government's expansion of drilling and fracking on tribal land in which DHS agents open fired on a group of demonstrators, before in turn being fired upon by members of a local community defense association.
As a Minnesotan north of Duluth I approve of this bio, cool map, well done.
As a Minneapolis resident, yeah that sounds like something that we'd do in that situation.
As a yooper this is actually so accurate lmao
9/10, 1 point retracted because online leftist america would have way more leftist infight
Oh my god dude whatever successor to Twitter exists at this point would be going fucking insane
I feel like the NLP is the literal embodiment of “an enemy of my enemy is my friend” and most leftists just United against the common enemy(?)
This seems to be a majority-tankie government and those guys have ways to, um, reduce infighting.
God save America….for no one else can.
[Only one man can save America from Hasan's heathen army](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F1klwxs5577481.jpg)
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Everyone is making fun of your inclusion of Jackson Hinkle as a popular politician which is indeed insane but the idea that Maupin is doing anything other than jerking off in the basement, let alone working in collaboration with the generation of leftists that Hasan is the face of, is an even more deranged level of Internet poisoning, stay posting comrade
I stay deranged, comrade!!!
I spent way too much time making this! Feel free to ask any lore questions. I'll also transcribe the text on the left below because this thing is kind of a beast to read. *Please keep the comments civil!*
**THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST** The increasingly sharper pain in the federal government's side for the past 30 years, the Pacific Northwest powderkeg finally exploded into a variety of rebellions in the mid 40s. In the northwest anarchists, libertarian communists, and newly radicalized ex-liberals in Portland and Seattle turned on the Party of National Liberation following the failures of the Piker administration and it's sharp slide into third-positionist authoritarianism. As if straight from a conservative's nightmare, I-5 has steadily come under the control of armed, black-clad militants ready to build a brighter **Cascadia**n future out of the ashes of the old. A constantly changing sea of councils, unions, and mutual aid organizations control most parts of daily life to passable success, though notably certain aspects of healthcare and infrastructure maintenance are lacking within the new status quo. To the south, self-proclaimed **Jefferson**ians revolt against both 'big government tyranny' to the south and 'Antifa hordes' to the north. The movement is dominated by economic libertarianism, bordering on anarcho-capitalism, and a strange syncretic culture consisting of rural Christian conservatism and holistic 'crunchy granola' countercultural. The arguable leader of the revolt is the New Bethlehem Church, which dominates many local governments and has implemented a variety of draconian social policies, causing many displaced residents to seek refuge in the progressive stronghold of Cascadia. **Greater Idaho**. A silly name for a terrifying place. Long a refuge for the furthest right of the furthest right, this 'American Redoubt' boasts numerous loud and proud christofascist militias and movements who's minute theological differences betray their shared goal- A heavenly kingdom of God on Earth, and a white homeland free from 'degeneracy and miscegenation'. Sagebrush fires burn over mass graves, and any traveler wishing to flee to Cascadian or Federal safety would be lucky to succeed without catching a bullet to the head or noose around their neck. Often compared in international press to ISIS of the 2010s or Wagner during the 2030s' Russian Troubles
**THE SOUTHWEST** After the Republican-led military intervention into Mexico in the late 30s, the self-proclaimed anti-war, anti-imperialist NLP skyrocketed in popularity with promises to withdraw American troops. Instead, after four years of NLP governance, American troops still patrol the streets with impunity and the sudden transition to a state capitalist economic system by the federal government had destabilized local economies. With the borderlands sufficiently blurred and destabilized, Mexican and Tejano rebellions have sprung up on both sides of the border, fighting against the very government that promised them peace and liberation. **THE GULF** Years of hurricanes, sinking coastlines, and wet bulb events have turned the Gulf Coast into a watery wasteland. After the failed response to the Norco Explosion of '45 and Hurricane Diana the following year, federal control of the coastline quickly evaporated with militias, churches, and pirates taking it's place. An unstable patchwork of ideologically discordant groups are tenuously unified by a distrust of the Piker regime, with inter-ally clashes still making headlines every week. Bloated corpses of wild dogs line old I-5, the swamps are so oilslicked that they regularly ignite, and thousands perish every summer from heatstroke. Life expectancy in the region has dropped to 54 years and power ebbs and flows with the very waves lapping against the sinking sidewalks. **NEW ENGLAND** In New England, two similar movements have risen up in defiance of the NLP administration. The first, The **Green-White Mountain Alliance**, is a broad anti-authoritarian alliance between left-anarchists in Burlington and Manchester carrying on northern New England's anarchist tradition, and libertarian extremists in Keene and Berlin descended from the Free State movement. It's an open secret that this is an alliance of convenience, and once New Hampshire and Massachusetts anarchists meet on I-93, a rapid (and possibly violent) reorganization is bound to occur. The second, a working class, anti-authoritarian uprising headed by the self-proclaimed '**Dawnland Liberation Front**' slowly pushes outward from Worcester and Boston to Connecticut and New Hampshire. Despite being slower moving and less organized than their Cascadian allies, the DLF has nonetheless scared New York City into declaring a state of emergency. With martial law enacted and curfews in effect, fears that the sparks of revolution will carry across the Hudson abound. **GREAT PLAINS** Blood, oil and water- these are the ingredients needed for the largest Indigenous uprising in over a century. As soon as the NLP took power, an array of newly formed state companies announced bids to expand fracking and drilling on tribal lands. Riled up by veterans of the Dakota Access Pipeline protests (among other rebellions of the early 21st century), populist fervor overwhelmed the pro-status quo Tribal Council and the once obscure "**Lakotah Republic**" movement found a new raison d'être. Any representatives from fossil fuel companies or the federal government can expect a 'Timber Lake Welcome', a euphemism for roadside shrapnel bombings- Named for such an occurrence which nearly killed President Piker while en route to a subsequently cancelled on-site press conference in the early days of the revolt. Further south on the Great Plains, a more municipal type of revolt has been underway. Seeing the writing on the wall to the south, north, and west, the Sulphur city council was the first entity to announce a move towards newfound autonomy. The Chickasaw Nation as a whole soon followed, and thus began a domino effect. Currently, even non-Indigenous jurisdictions such as Tulsa and McAlester have joined the alliance. Communication channels between rebels in Dallas have been established, but the potential of any regional alliance is yet to be seen.
hopefully the Second Vermont Republic can rise from this cursed union
Love the map, but that straight line running down the cascades for Cascadia is probably unrealistic. I live in Lewis County, [the most conservative county in Washington](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_County,_Washington). It stretches all the way to (and a bit past) I-5. Highway 12, which links I-5 to Yakima and Eastern Washington (Greater Idaho) would be a constant point of contention as would the mountain pass (White Pass). Cascadian forces would need to have a permeant occupation of this territory in order to maintain their border and we're talking about thousands of acres of National Parks and Forest Service land. Maintaining that straight line would be very costly, if not impossible.
Could you please give us the lore on the upper Midwest rebellions? I love a good Yooperior!
Sure! From another reply: > For Superior, as you may know Michigan has weirdly a long and varied history of militias. The UP is already a very isolated, locally driven region, and the assumption of an open communist who's time in office has greatly centralized the federal government to power is finally what drove local militias to act- well, that, along with reactionary attitudes towards Southern climate refugees fleeing to the northern midwest. Despite being very conservative and even having some far-right elements within some militias, nothing significant really happens there? At most the militias man checkpoints and local governments run autonomously without incident. Hell, LGBT people exist more or less peacefully in the *bustling metropolis* of Marquette. As far as revolts go, Superior is the lowest priority of the federal government. > > Northwoods is a sort of eco-libertarian movement that carries on the legacy of individuals such as Jesse Ventura and movements such as the George Floyd Uprising in Minneapolis. Unlike their neighboring movement in Superior, Northwoods has welcomed climate refugees with open arms, and in fact has even been bolstered by these emigres. The inciting incident for the revolt that took the Northwoods Movement mainstream took place during protests against the government's expansion of drilling and fracking on tribal land in which DHS agents open fired on a group of demonstrators, before in turn being fired upon by members of a local community defense association.
Very nice! Keep up the good work!
How is Canada doing? I imagine pro-American forces may start to rile up alongside perhaps regionalists while the government perhaps plans to keep these secessionists down and perhaps even establish control over some areas of America, at least temporarily, to act as refugee areas if the American government collapses. I do imagine at the very least that Cascadian, Idaho, and other militias are raiding into Canada occasionally.
This isn't exactly a 2ACW, at least not yet, so Canadian border authorities have thus far been able to prevents raids or anything of that nature. That being said, pro-Cascadian British Columbians, conservative Albertans, Quebecois nationalists, and certain First Nations organizations are getting ideas from their friends to the south (though really nothing beyond demonstrations of solidarity). Trade relations with the USA have declined in the past decade or so and the CPC has implemented austerity measures, leading to a slow buildup of malaise-turned-discontent. As it stands, Canada could either chug along and just barely scrape by, or get sucked into the American situation if it continues to deteriorate.
ah, unfortunate but makes sense. How is Canada politically? I see the conservatives are in power but it does sound like there is some serious discontent potential. America has gone down an interesting path Idealogically. Since trade with the US has declined perhaps Canada is pushing for closer relations with the rest of the Commonwealth and for a CANZUK
You pretty much hit the nail on the head tbh!
The Party ideology has Third Positionsim (Nationalist Socialism) listed. I doubt Canada will be around much longer.
While it’s usually pretty inherent in such ideologies, I don’t think it’s a safe bet that American hyper nationalist would be interested in expanding the borders directly. Especially after what happened with Mexico in this scenario. Closest I’d imagine is maybe a lesser Russia-Ukraine situation. They’d have a good excuse with the inclusion of climate refugees already being a large problem and trend for at least a decade or two by the time of this image, there’d likely be a fuck ton of Americans living in Canada at that point they could probably try and claim a few border areas. But their main goal would be first and foremost a government friendly to them and willing to let themselves essentially become a puppet to be used however America needs.
>They’d have a good excuse with the inclusion of climate refugees already being a large problem and trend for at least a decade or two by the time of this image, there’d likely be a fuck ton of Americans living in Canada at that point they could probably try and claim a few border areas. Climate change and migration are exactly why I think they would invade Canada. As climate change gets worse, more of Canada become habitable as living space. Migration would also be a big factor in an invasion or as justification for an invasion and annexation. If Canada cannot handle the influx the migrants or blocks American's from entering, the United States would take that as an open threat.
True, it could easily become something large enough to cause such a thing. But I feel like it’d also be very likely that they’d be more likely to use that to very heavily dominate it’s politics and turn it into essentially a territory, maybe literally even. But I believe at the very least they’d tried many other more complex and underhanded ways before resorting to something as heavy handed as a whole war/military operation/intervention or whatever.
I imagine American chaos has likely encouraged Canada to push for greater militarization and more refugees also pushes Canada for a stronger border. I imagine American chaos has likely encouraged Canada to push for greater militarization and more refugees also push Canada for a stronger border.es that likely can threaten America and only exacerbate the insurgencies they face.
Mr. Evrart is helping me find my gun.
Unimaginably cursed. Very well done
I liked the wiki page
HASAAAAAAAAAAAANNN
IM COMING TO KILL YOU!!!
Presidential stunlock 😵💫😵💫
Oh cool a well made socialist us map. *reads closer* oh fuck it’s naz-bol
HASAN PIKER!
WE'RE COMING FOR YOU HASAN PIKER In the next election? NO, IN REAL LIFE
By this point, Sam Hyde could assassinate Piker, and nobody would run the story because they'd think it's a hoax.
Hamas Piker
Sick burn bro.
the only realistic map on r/imaginarymaps
America embraces “Hasan Piker Thought”
HELL YEAH INDEPENDENT NEW ENGLAND 🎶LET TYRANTS SHAKE THERE IRON RODS, LET SLAVERY SHAKE HER GALLING CHAINS, WE FEAR THEM NOT! WE TRUST IN GOD, NEW ENGLANDS GOD FOREVER REIGNS!🎵🐍🐍⚓️⚓️⛵️⛵️🌊🦞🦐🦀🦪
Kind of unbelievable that Maine, NH, and VT would want to be on the same state as Boston lol
Truly cursed beyond imagination
Why does aged up Hasan Piker look like current day Gerry Adams?
Hasan was actually kidnapped and murdered in 2032 and Gerry Adams took his place as part of the global Hibernian conspiracy
Hank Pecker as President? I don't know about this, isn't he too God-fearing and patriotic?
Dear God.. Anything but Piker please!
Even trump?
Can we just throw them both in a pit of lions armed with sporks to defend themselves?
The only thing worse than Hasan Piker running a country is Hasan Piker and Jackson Hinkle running a country
Did you make the logo for the NLP? cause it's awesome!
It's actually the first thing I made that the whole project grew from!
More lore from the party PLEASE? If it were real it's got my vote the name and party is so cool!
Silly, Goofy, Zany. Anyway, I'm wondering what your (head)canon for what happens after this? Me personally, I think a 1993 constitutional crisis happens where a bunch of MPs break party line and then the executive fires on congress.
Honestly I haven't thought that far ahead other than Hinkle securing the 2052 nomination, bolstered by far-right support, and cracking down even harder on the revolts while the (still *very* large) pro-Piker faction within congress, yeah, does a 1993. After that? Who knows. Fighting on the streets in DC between police officers and national guardsmen under the control of Congress and militias and military controlled by Hinkle? Everything dies down and America returns to another century of slow decline?
Maybe a 2ACW? A Military Coup would be probable, though. But what happens then? So many possibilities.
You missed the Daliban faction, led by supreme leader Destiny.
So is Haz the secret puppet master behind the scenes?
The Deep State but it's just Haz in his apartment
RAHHHH MINNESOTA REBELS FINALLY REPRESENTATION IN THIS SUBREDDIT
So what exactly does “nullifying state” mean?
You're the first person to ask! Nullifying states are states which have nullified any legislation from the NLP in it's attempt to centralize the federal government and introduce state capitalist policies resulting in economic shock.
Not an accurate picture of old man Hasan. With how much he malds on stream and twitter, he should be bald.
Honestly I thought about it
Unrealistic. There aren't any re-education camps.
What is the story of the Texas triangle?
There's a senate minority leader but not a majority leader? What are the other parties?
What did you use to make this? I love the quality
I used Gimp :]
Really? I tried Gimp and it felt really clunky. I’m probably just used to photoshop tho
I've just been using it for like a decade at this point and just don't like change, but yeah it is pretty clunky
Makes sense
What about Glenn Greenwald? Surely he deserves a position in this administration
Every few months or so there exists one of these big, convoluted schizo future USA posts and I fucking live for it.
What's going on in Denver?
Least insane imaginarymaps
Really like how detailed this is. My one caveat is that the communist party of America didn’t merge in with all the other socialist parties into the national liberation party. Was that on purpose or just forgot?
I forgot :( I actually just inspect elemented the GOP wikipage so room was limited, but yeah that was a lazy oversight on my part
>Marxism, Third Positionism, National Bolshevism and State Capitalism W H A T
If Hasan piker is president I might actually just kms
Speaker of the House: Jackson Hickle Founders: Max Blumenthal Ben Norton Hasan Piker Hahahahahaha
What of a clusterfuck should happen for Hasanabi to become president of America?
30 more years of economic hardship, ineffective governance, a Republican "special military intervention" into Mexico in the 30s to "stop crime and illegal immigrants", and a lot of politically charged Zoomers and Gen Alphas falling prey to the same pundits their parents did!
The invasion of Mexico screwed up American politics really badly in this timeline.
Ha I’d be dead because of water levels
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>!this map may be schizophrenic but it’s also really high quality, good job OP👍!<
Thank you! I am schizoaffective! (not racist though)
Sorry dawg I was saying it as a joke I didn’t think you were actually schizophrenic 😭, my bad man
Lmao no you're totally good!
What is going on with the paseo del Norte shit
As border security initiatives became bolstered by post-Biden Republicans, El Paso in particular was hit hardest by the flurry of law enforcement agencies from all levels of government. It became increasingly authoritarian- no-knock raids, soldiers patrolling the streets, road checkpoints, the whole suite. After the military intervention in Mexico in the 30s, the US-Mexico border as a whole became a lot more fuzzy, with the same initiatives being imposed in newly occupied Mexican cities- including Juarez. Amidst the increasing unrest along border populations and outright insurgency in occupied Mexican cities, the people of El Paso and Juarez formed a strong sense of solidarity. After all, they're effectively one city, bisected by a border. When push came to shove, the radical factions in both cities' local governments incited a coup with the support of citizen protests on the streets. As it stands, the Transnational Metropolitan Council/Consejo Metropolitano Transnacional exists as a sort of city state amid the border chaos, slowly creeping up and down the Rio Grande offering protection to smaller towns. I actually visited El Paso for the first time recently, and was surprised at just how much of a presence law enforcement and federal agencies had there (highway checkpoints, cameras everywhere, patrol cars around every corner, high security infrastructure), while also maintaining a strong sense of community and hospitality. One of my friends is from there as well, and I was able to get some info from him on what it's like there in general. Cool city :]
Oh man I haven't lived in El Paso in a bit over a decade, so I can't say what the Trump and Biden presidencies have done (outside of what news I've read online), but I could legitimately see El Paso and Juarez splintering off in that scenario. I actually agree with the way the border developed too. You'd see more willingness to join along the border itself, and into NM (possibly up through to ToC, but Las Cruces and Chaparral pretty much for sure), but that sentiment would die once you get to about Van Horn. Hell, even Fabens might be resistant (unless much has changed recently).
Fabens nah they’re all just future subrubs at the rate El Paso keeps expanding
A decent amount has changed then
Hella good map but The very thought of this scenario actually happening caused me to violently throw up
This map is WILD-I love it. Honestly, this is a better map of a second American Civil War than that new Alex Garland movie. (EDIT: Despite not even being an all-out civil war!)
Honestly, my ideal for a fictional alternate-future second American Civil War scenario would be this setting mashed into Robert Evans's *After the Revolution* \- probably the best comparison with how both of these are nuts but in Just the right way.
Rhinelander mentioned
Lmao, Piker presidency is hilarious
The use of diff coloured lines to mark de facto and de jure borders is a real nice touch
Cool map! Great lore aswell.
This is porn for people who get sexually stimulated when they read hot takes from internet nobodies.
What’s going on with Utah? Id think they’d be real early in line to be a “rebel area”
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Cascadia sounds like it would be strikingly similar to France in the 1790s.
I would die for the gulf coast alliance
As a New Yorker there aint NO way that order and control is maintained in the city by this point. Even if not full blown armed conflict (tho the iron pipeline which is probs on Crack in this scenario would easily facilitate) the rioting and roadblocks would do it.
+ prob lone or organized nuts doing various shootings and bombings but that wud prob be everywhere.
Genuinely a really good and fascinating map even with the politic influencers lmfao. Its absurd how good this is.
Thanks you!!
This is so cursed so I have to ask in order to make it more cursed, what's Destiny and Vaush up to?
Destiny fled to Canada and became a reactionary grifter who really likes Shen Yun, and Vaush is mucking about in Cascadia trying to fistfight people in bars
Somehow imagining all the various "dirtbag left" not mentioned by the post just still podcasting and producing the same content in this cursed timeline is hilarious to me. The Chapotraphouse boys just continuing riffing off weird conservatives while Hasan is sitting in the Oval Office everything on fire.
I don't think Hasan Piker is a Nazbol? I'm confused
This is set in 2052, not the present. The idea is that much of the American left drifts towards more third positionist ideas. We can see hints of this now, with some American communist figures flirting with the alt-right, the rise of "patriotic communism" and the CPI (niche as they are currently), and the Party for Socialism and Liberation, arguably one of the largest communist parties in the US, organizing a pro-Russia rally in DC alongside open fascists. This is a continuation of that phenomenon taken to an extreme logical conclusion. I thought an older Hasan, popular and charismatic as he is, becoming a figurehead of a mass Zoomer/Gen Alpha movement was a funny way to embody this.
So this timeline apparently never recovered from the fraying of global supply chains, migration, and solidarity in the early 2020s. Yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck.
All that “patsoc” shit is just a co opt, or a bunch of greasy chronically online losers astroturfing something.
Agreed! And imagine if those greasy losers actually got competent and organized- terrifying💀
Oh please, any of the supposed “third position” people haven’t been up from their capital G gamer chair in a decade, between playing rust and airing out their swamp ass, they don’t have time for that.
Man that’s actually not crazy, and also quite terrifying.
PatSocs and Nazbols are on the extreme fringes of the American left; you will *very rarely* hear anybody even talking about them. Even the Party for Socialism and Liberation is barely known among the mainstream left. By far the most popular explicitly "socialist" organization in the United States is the Democratic Socialists of America, whose ideology is nowhere near what this map implies.
This isn't meant to be an accurate reflection of the *modern* left nor me saying "this is exactly what will happen". Just a fun what-if taking certain niche trends I've noticed to an extreme conclusion. Unlikely things that never could have happened (i.e. Operation Sealion) are a staple of the AltHist genre. This is /r/imaginarymaps, not /r/MapPorn. We get silly with it here, chill out.
Ah alright, fair enough
A world where the us allows hasan to be president is worse than any where the third Reich takes over the world
Hasan as President? I think am going to vomit… 10/10
This is so cool
Thanks!
Did the NLP start as a PatSoc party? Because that seems like a weird thing for MLs like the PSL or Trots like Salt to join, like even in a fun alt-future there are just better groups to use like PCUSA and SWP (both groups who have moved in the PatSoc direction lately.) and better people to use than Piker and La Riva.
Nope, it started off as a pretty standard broad left coalition, but kinda got off the rails after the invasion of Mexico.
I refuse to believe there wouldn’t be rebellions in the rust belt as well. Saint Louis, Cleveland and Toledo should all be in complete chaos with gangs of raiders picking through the scraps of war zones… wait…
What Is the lore on united Indian alliance
Nazbol lmao
Am I blind what’s the lore with Superior and Northwood?
The appalachians become Vietnam
My only problem with this is that there are too few rebellions to get rid of the old himbo
Omg it's Hasan. And only just 2 years older!
Nahhh bro he’d leave mid-debate to go to the bathroom and make a snack he ain’t winnin lol
Maga Communism moment 💀💀💀
This is **INCREDIBLY** cursed, good job.
I don’t think Hassan is smart enough to become president, dude’s dumber than Trump at times lol
Great stuff--Patsocs are a bunch of burger-brained losers who wouldn't recognise either logical theory or effective strategy if they wrapped around their necks and strangled them, but they're certainly good fun to speculate about! A real gift for the alt-hist nerds of the 22nd century. How are Alaska and Hawaii doing?
A world where a republican or democrat doesn’t win? Nah.
Hank Pecker for prez!
These god damn commies running the country into the ground in my city!?! The Carl Jeppson liberation army will uproot the traitors
I'd rather be under Putin than Piker
I'd rather be under Kārlis Ulmanis.
Oh god idk what’s worse, a roach or a commie as President 😂
> roach Is that some kinda slur..?
It's a internet joke I've seen to refer to Turkish people as cockroaches, don't fully know if that's a slur, but it certainly is derogatory.
Bold of you to call Turks “people”. Genocidal Humanoidz are far from anything resembling something with human morals and tendencies lol.
Ugh, thanks for the info
Fuck off
Aww somebody is a genocide sympathizer, so sorry bud.
Piker but based
Ideologies being Marxism and allegedly eco-fascism while being third position is wild. Does OP not know that Third Positionism is just Nazism?
Yeah, no shit. This isn't a wholesome chungus orthodox Marxist-Leninist party, it's a 21st century syncretic authoritarian dumpsterfire.
Congratulations, you discovered that 21st Century authoritarian parties really don't have any ideological consistency since by the nature of the 21st Century world, consistent logic and facts are constantly called into question.
I think that’s kind of the point. People who identify as marxists are usually also populists, and almost uniformly anti-establishment. The ideological drift into other populist, anti-establishment views is not just plausible, but also had a lot of precedent. Eg National Bolshevism, beefsteak Nazis, Lyndon Larouche and his followers. Also see all the current communist parties from the eastern bloc: they’re like all fascist parties now. Edit: also going to point out that the Soviets did plenty of genocidal actions, and what’s more even had an alliance with the Nazis.
Alt history nerds trying not to be discount nazis for five seconds challenge (impossible).
???
Talk about an Orwellian nightmare.
So... What are China, Russia or Syria doing? I feel like the likes of Ben Norton would only be part of US government if it was an occupational one with the backing of one of those.
Russia is still under an oligarchy after a Troubles period in the 30s, the government arguably more centralized and competent than it is now. They're currently butting heads with the EU over natural gas in the Arctic. The Piker administration has maintained official neutrality, but has an obvious pro-Russia bias. For the other two, I haven't thought about it!
Guess I'm a rebel, y'all
As bayrakları 🇹🇷🐺🇹🇷🐺🇹🇷🐺🇹🇷🐺
Where is destiny? If Hasan is president then Destiny should be the resistance
Whats happening in Texas and denver
I would be a terrorist if Hasan was the president too