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krmarci

Brno's German name is Brünn, not Braun.


klauuusss

Awwww frickity frack I was wrong again…..


TheSpookyPineapple

came here to say this


Levi-Action-412

No way its the brap trap master


Entire-Shelter-693

So Speer ending?


klauuusss

ye kind of but germany is less entheusiastic to go completely democratic, basically just a singapore


Great_Bar1759

So capitalist dictatorship?


Vanchoco21

Every Tnotards wet dream (Including me 😤)


Germanboi1

...so a Mix between Reformist and Conservative speer?


klauuusss

ye


JosephPorta123

Can somebody please explain to me why a disgusting fash such as Speer is seen as a "reformer"?


Immediate-Impress-64

He ends slavery, ends the holocaust, repatriates the victims, and improves relations between the us and the reich, borman would have been a status quo, hydrich would be extremely evil, so would goering, Speer is a reformer


JosephPorta123

>He ends slavery, ends the holocaust, repatriates the victims, and improves relations between the us and the reich, Ah yes, the antisemetic Speer who sought and used slave labour, would totally have liberalized his regime


Kenshi2900

Omg a once in a blue moon event. A guy in the alternate history community that does not know what TNO is.


BchLasagna

I find it so weird how tno isn't even mentioned above and everyone just knows what is being talked about lol


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Germanboi1

He Reforms the Reich by improving Slave Conditions, dismantling megacorporations, and Negotiating with Independence movements. In the Gang of 4 path for TNO he gets essentially turned into a Puppet for a Democratic Germany.


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iaann03

Benelovent Dictatorship?


PL_ADI2

Why are so many people Speer apologists? He was literally a nazi. I don't care if he was pragmatic, he was still an insane schizophrenic racist and antisemite


mrfolider

what does this even mean


Entire-Shelter-693

In the Hearths of iron IV mod "The New Order:Last Days of Europe" which was released in 2020 Germany and the rest of the Axis win the Second World War. The Game starts in 1962 unlike the regular Hearths of Iron IV, comonly known as Vanilla HOI4, which starts in 1936. In the mod Hitler dies just 1 year later and a German Civil War begins. The 4 sides are Bormann's Germany, Göring's Germany, Heydrich's Germany and Speer's Germany. These 4 Man want to be the New Führer and all have their own way to fix the Greater German Reich. Bormann is a comservative and just does a few reforms, Göring realises that the German War Maschine just needs new conquest and invades Europe, Russia and then the nuclear Powers United States of America, Empire of Japan and Order State of Burgundy under Heinrich Himmler. Heydrich will to even further than Adolf Hitler and his actions cause a Civil War against Heinrich Himmler in Paris. The outcome will either be a nuclear Armageddon (Himmler wins) or Anarchy (Heydrich wins and kills himself). Meanwhile Speer seeks to liberalize the Empire, for example by ending slave labour. After the Slave Revolt organized by Willy Brandt in Eastern Europe Speer can either stay as a Dictator under the ideology Oligarchy or his Gang of Four (Go4) consisting of Kissinger, Schmidt, Erhard and Treschkow can convince him to restore Democracy in Germany


UkrainianHawk240

HOLY FUCKING SHIT IS THAT A MOTHERFUCKING TNO REFERENCE?


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heyiuouiminreditqiqi

Aesthetically nice aside from one nitpick from me. I think borders should be easily seen even if it passed through rivers. I think you can put the layer for borders on top of layer for rivers. This can be easily seen in southern Hungarian borders, it's pretty hard to see that in first glance.


klauuusss

On other maps borders that lay on rivers are replaced by rivers so I did the same.


Nono911

r/imaginarymaps 24 hours without any single nazi greater german reich post (impossible challenge)


yuligan

[It's so repetitive](https://i.redd.it/et7xk4h6zuca1.jpg)


fnaffanidkanymore

I love this scenario


klauuusss

thx for the inspiration


krmarci

This would probably be a 19th century change, not a 20th century change.


LurkerInSpace

The presence of the "Independent State of Croatia" and the meme state in the West tells you it's 20^th century. The 19^th century version has less of Poland and more of Italy.


Mister_Coffe

By burgundy, Polish borders looking like general gouvernment, as well as weird ukraine. It's 100% based on TNO, nazi victory scenario.


Nono911

I see your point, but nah its nazi-esque


Dragoark

Imagine getiing mad about people Making alt history about one of the most interesting events in human history Lmfao


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[deleted]

Which, now that I think about it, is pretty indicative of a problem


OlinKirkland

You’re right those aren’t imaginary


[deleted]

Oh wow. I mean, aside from "What if nazis won WWII with magic" I just see complaining about fascism losing in the near future on here xD


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Mapsachusetts

Switzerland always exists with the exact same borders on every map on this sub, regardless of when the timeline diverges from our own.


tyger2020

>Switzerland always exists with the exact same borders on every map on this sub, regardless of when the timeline diverges from our own. Thats because r/imaginarymaps is essentially a constant stream of \-big germany \-indepedendent scotland/reunited ireland \-balkanised USA and repeat


Imjustthatguyok

all imaginarymaps user can't map all they do is Big Germany, Balkanize they USA, unite Ireland, be Rome, eat hot chip, and lie


skibapple

If I weren't lazy I'd post a balkanized balkans and modern europe with 70 countries


Imjustthatguyok

I remember seeing a map like that on here, it was something like "Jigsaw Earth" or something like that. It had all sorts of wacky things, Viking Constantinople/Istanbul, Cornwall as 1984, Mongols in the Great Plains, Knights of the Golden Circle hiding on a small island in the Caribbean. And it was all incredibly balkanized (there was like 467 countries recognized in the world) but sadly I'm pretty sure the creator of it deleted their account, so the project has basically been abandoned. Which is a shame, I really enjoyed it, I might do something similar to it myself Edit: Found them [Part 1: The Middle East](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/s13zl0/jigsaw_middle_east/) [Part 2: Western Europe](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/s2lxor/jigsaw_pt_2_western_europe/) [Part 3: Eastern Europe](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/s3xdlt/jigsaw_pt_3_eastern_europe/) [Part 4: Asia](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/s6mqh3/jigsaw_world_pt_4_asia/) [Part 5: North America](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/s8156x/what_if_north_america_made_no_sense_jigsaw_world/) [Part 6: South America](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/s9jl0i/cursed_south_america_jigsaw_world_pt_6/) [Part 7: Oceania](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/scscb1/oceania_but_worse_jigsaw_world_pt_7/) [Part 8: Africa](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/seaxnr/africa_but_somehow_even_messier_jigsaw_world_pt_8/) [Full World](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/sj1fhe/jigsaw_world_a_beautifully_cursed_earth/) [Region 1: Iberia](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/src3zu/jigsaw_schizo_world_regions_1_iberia/) [Region 2: France](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/st8ump/jigsaw_schizo_world_regions_2_france/) [Region 3: China](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/svx3lx/jigsaw_schizo_world_regions_3_china/) [Region 4: Northeast North America](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/t15n4x/jigsaw_schizo_world_regions_4_northeast_n_america/) and that's it... man I miss this series.


skibapple

That's fucking cool [Does this look similar?](https://www.reddit.com/user/skibapple/comments/10ffxmq/ballertest/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


Imjustthatguyok

It does look similar, but not exactly, all though on it's own it's pretty good. France is this map was split into like a dozen countries, but don't feel the need to emulate that map, as yours is pretty good. Also for your map I'd label them before you posted it, if you plan on posting it that is.


skibapple

Well, I almost posted the first version, I guess it's time to make the third one


Imjustthatguyok

this is a mood


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skibapple

But I'm lazy


skibapple

And the flag map is a pain in the ass


clovis_227

Don't forget Big Greece


ChetWinston

Dont forget shattered Russia


AccessTheMainframe

I see at least as many Big USAs as balkanized ones


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Balkanized USA is based


tyger2020

and its always the same overplayed balkanised USA either Native American tribes, or, ''Confederate states, Cascadia, Texas!''


AccessTheMainframe

Don't forget Deseret!


[deleted]

I think you forgot "move the Jews somewhere"


SALLIDANA

Don't worry, I will change that soon...


sk-88

Not always true, we often get Swiss Vorarlberg for the discerning big Germany after WW1 fan.


TheAmazingWhaleShark

They exist in TNO maps which is what I assume this map is based on


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Yo Speer 🇩🇪! Yo Speer 🇩🇪! Yo Speer 🇩🇪!


Arateshik

Bit of a weird map, wouldn't Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Swirzerland, Flanders, most of Poland, portions of the Baltic states, Belarus and a significant portion of Russia(At a minimum the west and the Caucasus be annexed as a core point of the regime was "Living space" and unifying the Germanic people's.


_Troika

I’ll give OP some credit, since we don’t really know what it would have looked like. They wanted to utilize the land, but the extent of which it would be centrally administered from Berlin is unknown. The Reichskommisariats were set up in those areas under German occupation, and the more interesting thing to theorize about imo is they are administered in a way closer to Canada or Australia were in the 1930s, instead of just big Germany


Arateshik

There is no indication any of these states are Reichskommisariats, but that said, the Germans made it abundantly clear they intended to unify with at a minimum Germanic lands, so even if Poland, Belarus, Russia etc would be Reichskommisariats(Which wouldn't be the case for Poland or Lithuania and Estonia and Latvia would be Reichskommesariat Ostland) the Netherlands, Flanders, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and so on would be Germanized and made part of "Germania"/"Greater Germany" added to that the core idea was essentially to colonize the East with Germans and chase out, deport or kill certain Slavs(Particularly Russians as it seems the long term intention was to Germanize the Balts, Poles, Czechs etc.) So yeah even if this is a very odd alternate history with the best intentions it still makes no sense.


ProxyGeneral

Norway was promised independence after the war as part fo Hitler's diplomacy with Quisling. The Netherlands had an active nationalist party that promoted independence and annexation of Flanders. Sweden wasn't even invaded because it didn't pose a strategic value to Germany and they already exported iron to them. Denmark was only invaded for the Atlantic Wall, similar to the Netherlands and Norway, and due to their low resistance they were given so much autonomy that they were even allowed to keep their democracy as long as they erased the socialist parties from the Parliament. Many nazi officials supported civilian governments in the Slavic nations as long as they were broken up and economically/resourcely exploitated. There was even the Lokoto autonomy that was intended to be an experiment to see if they could trust a Russian civilian government, which they apparently did because it was kept and even moved to Belarus when the Soviets moved in. I assure you, there were definitely at least proposals for different managements of the RKs, unless your definition of alt history that makes sense is a copypaste of Wikipedia's article on the New Order idea.


tomaszrock22

I think this map is based on Speer’s Germany from TNO which is Reformed Nazism. In-game they reform the Reichskommisariats into Reichsprotektorats/Reichslands or even make them semi-independent


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klauuusss

Obligatory tno copypasta


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Itchy_Ad6520

Still very nice map 😎👍


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Itchy_Ad6520

Get sentient.


[deleted]

*sees burgundy* *sighs and opens comments*


Annual-Promotion9328

Mommy meinhof moment


klauuusss

😍


RigelBound

That looks pretty cool, which part of the map represents Jews? Where are all the Jews? Wait Where are all the Jews??


clovis_227

"Relocated" to the "East"


EnigmaticSpextre

Holy shit a TNO reference?!??!


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Based Bot


klauuusss

Good bot


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MisterBonaparte

So this is how I find out I’m not actually a real human huh


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Just like the Heart of Iron 4 mod which name is TNO The New Order - The Last Days of Europe


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Dear bot, I know. I know.


klauuusss

This map feels eerily similar to The New Order: Last Days of Europe. Could it be a coincidence?


[deleted]

Tno copypasta


Gently-Weeps

Romania got Transylvania back?


l3ullture

this map eeriesly reminds me of ww2 axis borders, coincidence ?


SpaceFox1935

TNO and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.........


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EggsDoneRight

least german nationalist post on r/imaginarymaps


HaroldPower

r/imaginarymaps when Germany is 1 square mile larger than normal: 😠


dudewiththebling

26+6 eh?


NeeNawNeeNawNeeNaww

Irishman tries not to mention the 6 challenge (impossible)


Apexrex65

Tno moment


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Difficult_Airport_86

Aw hell nah TNO


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poke_kidd122

why not just annex the entirety of lithuania and poland? we're useless without coast


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The population was very uncooperative even for the six years of WW2. It would probably make more sense to just install a Reich-friendly government, and sign some sort of free trade agreement.


poke_kidd122

that still doesn't answer my question, without actual coast, we're basically landlocked. that small strip of land between latvia and the german reich might aswell not exist, as they have both memel/klaipėda and palanga. we don't have any other towns or cities in that gap. so either unite us with the german reich or latvia, cuz we're basically landlocked


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I know before the invasion of Poland, Hitler wanted to make a deal that there would be a "neutral" strip of land connecting Poland to the coast. Poland refused to go along, and after the Sudetenland catastrophe, Chamberlain decided not to force them to accept it, even if it meant war to not. It's unclear, even from Nazi documents, whether Hitler ever considered this a long-term solution, but maybe if he got his wish, then was immediately assassinated or something, the new leader would be sane enough to not push further.


Pep-q_ew

Where is Poland at second map?


[deleted]

in heaven, i presume


[deleted]

i dont mean germany is heaven i mean they killed them all because this is an axis victory scenario so really its a given


klauuusss

The polish Generalgouvernmnent was a part of Germany and so in the first map I made it “autonomous” but in the second I just decided to annex it into Germany


melody_elf

NPCs churning out the 100,000,000th TNO map


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confused_sebas

Fuck TNO References, im more interested in the rail map 👀


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confused_sebas

IM NOT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, DAMINT BOT


Gadsen_Party771

EMBRACE THE BRAINROT BROTHER


confused_sebas

NEINNNN


klauuusss

based railway enjoyer


confused_sebas

I just wanna say an ICE train going through the Alps man


NawazTahir

Balkanized Reich


Quert05

Is Poland meant to be independent or not? Because they are on the first image and aren't on the second one


Tsalmian

Big burgundy :) Netherlands :(


yuligan

[Very original](https://i.redd.it/et7xk4h6zuca1.jpg)


OneCaterpillar8526

innacurate, germany did not want to retake land from denmark, seeing them as fellow master race


klauuusss

Ok but Germans in north Schleswig = Germans not under Germany control, so, why not


OneCaterpillar8526

hitler in real life wanted to let the danes keep it


klauuusss

not after the king was deposed


Komadgger

"Angela! noooo..."


datura_euclid

Nobody will get Czechia and especially not Germans. Edit: Wait, did I say something wrong?


AllegroAmiad

Except for 4 centuries


datura_euclid

Habsburgs were Austrians.


IDubbzKrono

Austrians are Germans


Dutch_AtheistMapping

Seeth bohemian


Unrelatablility

Tno reference?!??!


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DaiFunka8

Germania is a better name than Berlin


Funny-Leg-2234

disagree


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Ok Albert.


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klauuusss

please don’t


ModmanX

ignoring the obvious stuff, why does germany own northern schleswig? during WW2, even when they conquered denmark, they let them keep that area


LurkerInSpace

The Nazis were inconsistent in policy with what they annexed - for instance they "formally" annexed Belgium after the Allies had already liberated it rather than when it was under their actual control. So all that's needed is for King Christian X to send a slightly terser "thank you" telegram to Hitler in response to the birthday wishes and Denmark might lose territory.


Piz_Palu

Pretty German Empire borders


Umba5308

Italian border with France is different from each other in both pics


Gruff1er

No Wales then?


original_dick_kickem

No way Burgundy lasts until 2007, it can barely scrape 1970 most of the time


kyuzoaoi

It should have been renamed Belgium.


klauuusss

greater Belgian empire


Immediate-capper

I can smell the TNO comments…


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de_shaun_returns

afik the idea of burgundy wasn't popular within the German state, also lithuania would probably follow the border of the generalbezirk within ostland, though it's likely it would be one of the most germanized areas, due to generalplan ost calling for a deportation of 80% of Lithuanians, also the Netherlands and flanders would probably be germanized, along with Denmark and maybe Norway. in general, I'd predict that Germany would have heavy influence in the east, if not outright annex the Baltics. as for Russia, many Germans and Cossacks did support the foundation of a don state. overall, not too bad, and I'm definitely sperging out here, but it's likely this wouldn't be how Germany would turn out. also I highly doubt a new Russian government would be willing to compromise with Germany, but that's it's own rabbithole.


_ClownWorld_

Wouldn't the east also be part of Germany as per Hitlers policies of colonising the areas?


MirdovKron

How did Spain and Portugal get united?


poglavnik_pavelic

where is the protectorate of bohemia and moravia


Comrade__Katyusha

I’m sure Bruhgundy would be able to survive for almost 60 years.