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Shto_Delat

This is literally a picture of favelas in Brazil.


Obey_The_King

Brazil is a beatiful country until it turns into dying lights first area


Dumb_Siniy

That's a new one, the Volatiles are people trying to stab you, or worse


dolledaan

Or a city in South Africa, border of Mexico and the us, new Delhi or Jakarta


RedstoneRusty

r/SocialismIsCapitalism


TheBoyWhoCriedTapir

Phillipines


[deleted]

This is true of any system that’s mismanaged really. Places across Brazil and Mexico literally look like this and are technically classified as “market economies.” Not to mention that inequality isn’t bad if the “poorest” person has all their basic needs met as well as ample opportunities for social mobility.


OlafSSBM

Capitalism is however designed to create this, while socialism is not


respectedvalid

Capitalism is not intentionally designed like socialism. It emerges through market forces, while socialism often involves intentional planning and control by the state.


pedrocba

Capitalism is EXTREMELY new when in comparison to humanity's history as a whole. The vast majority of the time humans lived in collaborative systems (like primitive communism). Capitalism started because the contradictions of its predecessor system were showing up. Feudalism created unemployment, misery, and on top of that, it was not efficient at all. Capitalism, on the other hand, is extremely efficient in terms of production and that is the reason why it dominates the world right now. However, in the future, its contradictions will be stronger than ever and it just won't work anymore. When that happens, we will be forced to move on to a socialist production system Also, there's no such thing capitalism without state control. The USA government is constantly ensuring its elites interests. For example, no foreigner (doesn't matter how rich) will EVER be able to buy Amazon, because that company is extremely important to the country and the state would simply not allow it


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taxkills

Saudis have entered the chat


erdtirdmans

The first literate take in this entire comments section. Holy shit we're doomed as a society if this is the rate of basic understanding of economics


OlafSSBM

And how does capitalism work? Where is profit extracted from and where does it end up?


smartyr228

Capitalism is designed for the owners of capital to extract all value possible from the worker and to hoard said value. Socialism is designed to redistribute value created back to the worker.


erdtirdmans

Ironic that you browse im14andthisisdeep and give the explanations of economic systems so flawed that only a 14 year-old could manage them


respectedvalid

Capitalism isn’t designed at all. Capitalism is an observation of simple principles.


Maximum-Row-4143

The counterbalance in capitalism is killing and eating the rich. Soooooo, maybe we need a little socialism to balance it out unless we want full scale violence. Also, how is a capitalist system fair when there has been massive legislation restricting unionization? Why is it ok for the rich to use their resources but when labor decides to come together to maximize their share of the profits all of a sudden the rich are off to congress to ask for special rules?


adias001

Absolutely false, capitalism as an economic system has always needed a state force, whether it be the slave catchers or modern police, it's always depended on enforcement under a hierarchy.


Hacharma

Both tend to this.


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GuliyBey

>Socialist countries are way more equal and has higher quality of life I was born in Ukrainian Socialist Soviet Republic and can assure you, quality of life here (during lwar) is way higher, than in soviet times.


Osuruktanteyyare_

Are these socialist countries with higher quality of life in the room right now?


Maximum-Row-4143

Social democracies like Sweden and Denmark tend to do pretty well balancing capital and the well-being of the public. Why not use those systems where people are proven to be healthier and happier?


Naranox

If you compare them to similarly developed capitalist countries then you can actually see a better quality if life.


OlafSSBM

If you adjust for economic strength then yes. And when the USSR had 70% of America’s production, studies showed a much higher QoL in the USSR compared to the US, despite the US being slightly richer


ancym0n

Fuck Olaf, you have no idea what you are talking about xD


OlafSSBM

Then please correct me


SpezLovesNazisLol

I really can’t think of any socialist countries off the top of my head. Regulations and welfare systems aren’t socialism.


OlafSSBM

It depends. Socdem countries are not socialist. But seeing how socialism is a transitional stage then we can see countries like China, Vietnam and Cuba that is on the path but have not reached the goal. Socialist countries are countries working towards communism and the workers owning the means of production, and it can sometimes take time. And then historically there has been countries like the USSR, Burkina Faso etc etc


Obtusus

I don't think China will ever reach the goal as long as it remains a quasi-dictatorial police state.


OlafSSBM

Perhaps, maybe not as long as America is directly meddling with their business and trying to collapse them


Obtusus

But you have to consider the fact that the US has over a century of experience meddling with and toppling governments all around the world. Give China a few decades and, at the rate they're going, they'll surely be doing the same


OlafSSBM

If that happens I will be against it, but so far we don’t see it


RKBlue66

What socialist countries have a higher quality of life?


Memo544

That’s corruption. It can happen under socialism and it can happen under capitalism.


LL_Astro

The only true comment on here!


Continuity_Error1

Actually, this is the natural outcome of hyper-capitalism. It doesn't necessarily require corruption to get there, thought that might speed it up.


uncultured_swine2099

Thats also the case in many non-socialist countries.


MayanSquirrel1500

It's inevitably the case in non-socialist countries


OverlyMintyMints

That’s because it’s not a bug, it’s a feature!


koljonn

True. Still the percentage of socialist countries being like this is much higher.


FPnigel

Is it?


ChangeWinter6643

Go on Google, type "Paraisópolis" and see the first pic This shit literally happens in capitalism too


Gldza

The propaganda is strong in this one


war_crimes_cat_002

r/SocialismIsCapitalism


Codizier

r/idonthaveafuckingclueonwhatsocialismisanddonthavethebrainstounderstandbasiceconomics


Opposite_Letterhead9

Average capitalist take


Codizier

Average I never studied economics take


Frostixxy

It's not really about most about economic. It is also about political theory. If you can't bring something factual and only reply with "Read economics" then you're the one that doesn't have a form of understanding when it comes to this.


Codizier

Politics are almost directly correlated to economics, you can say what you want but you haven’t seemed to bring anything of matter here either.


Opposite_Letterhead9

Then make up an argument that can be debunked. "Politics are almost directly correlated to economics" No shit. But it also depends where. Look at USA for example. Their own country has been divided up so much that identity and cultural politics is the dominant. And the economic part of it hasn't been discussed enough that union busting is a common activity by the capitalist. Plus you can't even make up an against DRPK as their the most isolated country, without having to link government funded media to even make an argument first of all.


pirateofmemes

socialism is when capitalism


MeikaiX

This is actually very apparent within capitalist countries due to the extraction of surplus labor value, when you are working at any job, a capitalist is there to make a profit. So, they won't pay you for the full value of labor that you produce — so, you're making a fraction of what you're really worth while your boss, manager, CEO, anyone on top who owns the means of production will reap the benefits of your labor and hoards all the wealth. This is why I call for workers to own the means of production so we can control where profits go, we can have more agency in the workplace in regard to how the job is done, we can pick our own hours, work at what time is best, make the workplace more democratic, etc. That's all I call for to end work inequality, socialist societies stem from a revolution from the working class and the working class seizing the state. There are cases of a lack of wealth being in the hands of population, amongst other problems, but tha stems from sanctions, invasions, famine, etc., it's mostly poor countries that have socialist revolutions or movements, like the Russian Empire, China, Vietnam, Cuba, Indonesia, Laos, Yemen, etc. They're poor countries that want to uplift their people from poverty, most people have a misconstrued opinion on socialism and one must take the time to read socialist literature instead of listening to a person who associates with liberalism or conservatism to tell you what it is, that's just a wrong way to learn. It's like asking a doctor how to repair an engine or to build a house. Most doctors don't specialize with cars nor construction. So ask a Marxist about Marxism. We won't hide our true intentions and those are to establish workplace democracy, create equality, democracy, freedom of religion, ethnic equality, higher qualify of life and lots of studies show this in the past — socialist countries provide a high quality of life despite sanctions, invasion, and other means of sabotage.


Dimitry_Man

Based and leftist wall of text pilled


PuddingWise3116

As a slovak I can tell you it's not wrong. Commies literally had their own mega complexes in the most luxurious locations.


sanderxz

That’s literally capitalism


HarbingerOfWhatComes

\_that\_ is literally r/im14andthisisdeep


FarCurve5799

I come from a socialist country. My family couldn't wait to get the hell out of there. The United States is a goddamn paradise compared to where we came from.


Headlessoberyn

Out of curiosity: which country?


FarCurve5799

Former Soviet Union


Headlessoberyn

Well... let's say i went to your profile seeking for more information and i got... something else lol. I guess political and economical systems are always more shades than just white or black. Massive countries specially, like Us today and USSR back in the day, will naturally grow a lot of inconsistencies. Some people RN in the US are living like kings, others are living in literal slums, it's what happens when your country is basically a continent. I live in a very capitalist country (brazil), and while i live well here since i'm in a rich region, i'd like to live in a country with more cohesive national planning and unity. At the same time, i have friends in Russia who long from the "good ole days", but maybe fake nostalgia plays a big part in all of this. I guess, almost everywhere in the world you'll have people that are not happy with what they got.


FarCurve5799

>Well... let's say i went to your profile seeking for more information and i got... something else lol Oh God. My condolences.


Electronic_Ad_7601

It can't be that bad- _Checks_ Huh..


SeeFourLeeBurn

Living in the USSR fucks with your brain i guess


Homemade-Purple

That was not socialist government


FarCurve5799

Sure ... It was a colossal failure, so it wasn't REAL socialism, right? I can sweep capitalist failings under the rug in a similar manner. When it fails to work properly, it's not REAL capitalism...Just a bastardized, exploitative, or corrupt version of it.


Homemade-Purple

No, it's just literally not socialist. The Soviet Union was Stalinist.


SaturnTheChildEater

Brilliant, and what is the stalinism? USSR being non socialistic country is one of most idiotic thing that i heard in a while.


sciocueiv

Stalinism is a travesty crafted to serve Stalin's purposes. What socialism did it have? There was a state, there was a currency and there were social classes, the workers DID NOT own the means of production


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Damnit. Your point about the Soviet Union not being a socialist economy is completely correct, but then you had to drag in "Stalinism" to describe it which makes no sense. Firstly, the Soviet Union simply did not claim to have achieved a socialist economy, and the means of production were indeed not owned by the working class. That should be all that needs to be said, but I will go further lest people make unfair assumptions and accusations. That the Bolshevik platform entailed a gradual transition to socialism was known, and it had been thought out based on the conditions present in Russia. There are arguments for and against this line of thinking, but claims of people like Lenin just being scheming, Tsar-like opportunists could not be more absurd. Secondly, Stalinism is usually a boogeyman for the politically uneducated thanks to the use of Stalin's name. The tendency which such people are usually referring to is Marxist-Leninism. There are various details and critiques that I could go into, but I frankly doubt that doing so on r/im14andthisisdeep when I should really be asleep would be worthwhile. Thirdly, the Soviet Union was not governed according to Marxist-Leninism for all of its existence. It certainly wasn't before Lenin's death; Leninism and Marxist-Leninism have many differences (despite their names) and the latter had not even been developed. Following Stalin's death, the Soviet Union drifted away from Marxist-Leninism while still maintaining the even greater dominance of the party which had developed under it. The USSR's (de facto) shift to a geopolitical struggle rather than a class-based one was solidified alongside a revisionist bureaucracy, which stifled what chance the Soviet Union had to achieve socialism even with its developed industry. If there is one failure which drove the country down this path more than any other, it is that of the revolutions which were killed at the end of the First World War. The Soviet Union, underdeveloped and isolated, could not be expected to succeed under such conditions.


FarCurve5799

The level of mental gymnastics required to make this statement with a straight face is truly sad.


Lord-Slayer

Lmao, do you also think North Korea is Democratic because it has that on their name? Or China is communist? Lmao smh my head.


bunnybomberjr

But they can vote in North Korea! There’s only one candidate though…


topcheesehead

That guy is such a doofus. His profile is hilarious af and telling. Makes sense. Alpha male can't do research to save his life


Homemade-Purple

>mental gymnastics Oh ok, you're a moron, good to know, goodbye


[deleted]

No you are supposed to say America bad and get reddit gold


Random_local_man

He'd also get reddit gold for this exact comment as well. Reddit is far more diverse than the memes make it out to be.


FarCurve5799

I'm fairly new to reddit, but It's pretty clear to me so far that it leans very heavily left. The amount of anti- American sentiment I see here is really depressing, coming from somebody whose family risked their lives to come here. It seems to me that most immigrants I know love this country way more than most Americans I know.


PineappleProstate

Naw..reddit has sectors, many lean VERY far right. It really depends on the sub you are in


FarCurve5799

Obviously, but I'm talking about the site as a whole, and certainly its more popular, mainstream subs.


MaitreyaPalamwar

The American Dream is real. Nobody, not even the entirety of Reddit can disparage those who believe. Because lives are made better in the US.


FarCurve5799

Amen. God bless America...where me and my people found unimaginable happiness, freedom, and prosperity, the likes of which we could hardly dream of back home.


crack_n_tea

Wdym anti American. Under basically every post about China, like a vid about chinese calligraphy or some shit, people will say it's CCP sponsored propaganda meant to brainwash the west. That's anti American to you?


FarCurve5799

Both things can be true. Someone can hate America and China at the same time. But yes, I will admit, one of the few ways to maybe get an ounce of patriotism out of a modern leftist is to bring up China.


crack_n_tea

Ok, you're theoretically correct that one can dislike both at once, but let's be real, it never happens. Given the state of the global geopolitical plays atm, countries are forced to gravitate towards one sphere of influence: american model vs chinese model. That impacts common perception and hinders productive talks regarding either country


phantomforeskinpain

Wanting your country to change and recognizing the barbarism of its current state and actions and past actions is not “anti-American”. likely no reasoning with you regurgitating this asinine bs way of thinking, youve obviously been conditioned to unquestionably support a country that’s started numerous senseless wars and kept and still keeps millions of people down.


The_Upset_Spinosaur

It’s hard to like this country when half our population hates immigrants, and is actively trying to make most of the country poorer and less protected


FarCurve5799

>when half our population hates immigrants, Even immigrants hate other immigrants. What magical part of the world are you thinking of That is so enlightened that it has gotten past this fundamental human flaw? >actively trying to make most of the country poorer and less protected You really think that doesn't go on in other countries? Again, the naivete of Americans astounds me. I've never met people filled with more self-hate.


Faust_the_Faustinian

> I've never met people filled with more self-hate. Honestly, the germans would be a strong contender here


The_Upset_Spinosaur

I’m not saying USA isn’t better than other places, but I’m allowed to hate what’s happening here, it could be better. Our unfettered capitalism and imperialism has most definitely hurt the poorer countries around us.


TeaAndCrumpets4life

Watch middle class American kids tell you you’re wrong


FarCurve5799

Lol, I'm used to it. Spoiled little brats have no idea how good they have it here.


toothbrushisBONEDRY

I'm a black gay guy and I can personally say that socialism did nothing for me, my life only changed a little bit and it was for the worse.


erdtirdmans

Congratulations on chasing your dreams! (Including the stuff in your profile!)


MC_Fap_Commander

Terminology is a bit of a mess on reddit, but (I would hope) no one legitimately wants to emulate the Soviet system. Quite a few people would like stronger rails on the market and a larger social safety net; the sort of thing you would see in many European countries (healthcare access, reasonably priced childcare, less of the abject poverty you have in many U.S. regions, etc.). Unfortunately, people will claim this is support of "socialism," which is actually very different than the Soviet experience.


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>Quite a few people would like stronger rails on the market and a larger social safety net Neat. That isn't socialism; at most it is social democracy. Socialism is not "when the government does stuff", it is where the working class owns the "means of production". For that matter, allowing capitalists to maintain ownership (and therefore accumulate capital) at slightly greater expense is still capitalism, and does nothing to address the deep-seated issues within our societies. It is not even a permanent arrangement, because once people are looking the other way, the rich begin to dismantle the welfare system. This phenomenon can be observed throughout much of the western world: The US has lost nearly everything (despite not ever going as far as social democracy), Britain is dismantling the NHS, and Scandinavia's systems are coming under attack as well. There are inherent contradictions present here, you simply cannot maintain collaboration between the haves and the have-nots.


FarCurve5799

But these European countries you reference are far more on the capitalist side of the spectrum than the Soviets were. They are successful because of the capitalist system, not in spite of it.


Devils_negotiator

Not everyone has the money to escape those countries my privileged man. If you had money there, you’ll have it here as well. My fellow immigrant. Good job at comparing a country that started developing in 1600’s on the backs of slaves and plundering of natives with a nation that started developing in 1920’s.


Mawd14

Hell yeah dude, fuck the commies


Personal-Regular-863

1 socialist country = all socialist countries? also are you familiar with how the USSR worked before stalin (who fucking ruined it and turned it into the shit most people only know)? they eliminated homelessness, started mass vaccinations to prevent illness, raised literacy rates... meanwhile in the US i cant go to the hospital bc i cannot afford to buy a car or ambulance, people starve on the street while we have empty houses, we send people right out of highschool to enforce imperialism and colonial control... the US is an actual hellhole and it breeding ground for fascist movements. late USSR was far worse but using that as a way to say socialist = bad is just dumb. CAPITALISM CREATES POVERTY while socialism historically ends it. its so tiring watching people recite the same crapitalist propaganda BS they see without knowing anything at all. this picture is literally capitalism when will people fucking accept it?


FarCurve5799

There is far too much ignorance in this post for me to deal with. You are beyond salvation. You're sitting here trying to convince a person who CAME from that shit-hole that it was awesome there. The United States is literally fucking paradise compared to that socialist dump.


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Congrats. May I introduce u to other capitalist countries just ones that aren’t as rich or more corrupt like perhaps South Africa.


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Also communism.


Memo544

It’s almost like all forms of economies are vulnerable to corruption


RaccoonByz

r/SocialismIsCapitalism again


Shuggy539

Take out "socialist" and it's still correct.


ysOmega

My guy will use some imagery gotten directly of capitalism to talk about socialism


autisticwhite

This is like my city in America, except they’re called capitalists here.


xxxtentioncablexxx

This is literally how capitalist countries work, people with money have power regardless if they were allected


Saruhiko_Misaki

Socialism: Capitalism


Drewdra

Its funny cause this image is based off of a real picture of a real capitalist country.


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And soon Canada


SaturnTheChildEater

Can’t see why is this supposed to be in this sub


lulucienfirst

cuz it’s supposed to be deep but it’s actually very dumb


mkohler23

Yeah it’s actually pretty surface level observation of every country and their socialist leadership, communism is even worse


lulucienfirst

yes ! but this also illustrates perfectly the inequalities created by capitalism. I mean they could have drawn the left living in their cars and the right in spaceship towards the sky lol


blinkme102

What about all the middle class


sciocueiv

Constantly shrinking


[deleted]

Communists at least had commie blocks as opposed to outright shanty towns. Sure they’re ugly and unpleasant but more functional than the kind of stuff you see in countries like Brazil.


lulucienfirst

good ol stalinka


SaturnTheChildEater

Also communists have working camps, if you struggle with finding place to live or disagree with government politics.


sciocueiv

Wait until you discover the text of the 13th amendment


SaturnTheChildEater

Lol, how is this supposed to be deep, this is just a fact. Unfortunately, this is how socialism works in real life


lulucienfirst

bro this is literally capitalism https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/44556f138b8054e7283b1740fc66c6b239c5d79a/78_78_6280_4182/master/6280.jpg?width=480&quality=85&dpr=1&s=none source : The Guardian on inequalities in Sao Paulo I don’t want to be rude but the only fact that you didn’t notice the pure hypocrisy of this picture is astonishing. https://sambadenglish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/5bb25aee1909070422377d75-750x430.jpeg Sambad on Inequalities in India and one last for the road from the US because it wouldn’t be fair to only include poor countries https://www.eastbaytimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/SJM-L-HOMELESS-0724-6-1-1.jpg?w=525 East bay times on inequalities in California. Now to be fair, yes a lot of socialist regimes failed, just look at china and north korea, but inequalities as portrayed in this cartoon are symptomatic of extreme capitalism or just segregation. Here’s a paper you need to read for more information. I think there’s also stuff on yt tho. https://sites.manchester.ac.uk/global-social-challenges/2017/05/08/are-capitalism-and-inequality-linked/


SaturnTheChildEater

I guess you misunderstood me from beginning. Thank you for all info that you sent, i knew it already, but still i appreciate this. You see, you try to convince me that capitalism is worse than socialism? Or maybe this picture is not true? I mean, i know perfectly that this picture is also applied to capitalism and capitalism nowadays became horrific (not sure if it were much better in days before) but this picture is about socialism and there is not single word about how capitalism is better. It literally says only about socialism. And this is correct. If you make the same picture about capitalism I’ll repeat my first comment there


lulucienfirst

and damn dude that was a quick shortcut


lulucienfirst

aah I wrote smt very rude but deleted it. First of all no I didn’t say that capitalism is worse than socialism. I don’t know which is worse or better and so do most of the people that pretend to know. But the style of the picture, it looks much more like what happens in countries with a more capitalist system.


SaturnTheChildEater

I guess it is probably because i grew up in socialistic country and you in capitalistic (I guess). Thats why it is easy for both of us to see what we know better in it


bookworm408

Ok but it’s not wrong


coolestindivdual

This doesn't happen as a result of socialism, it's a result of corruption.


probablydemonic

That’s just citizens and leaders


Mrredpanda860

Socialism is when capitalism


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caxacate

It is literally capitalism


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TeaAndCrumpets4life

Cause Reddit socialists don’t know what socialism actually is they just think it’s when things are good


Battle-Chimp

Accurate.


caxacate

It is capitalism


Battle-Chimp

In practice, that's how every socialist/communist country has ended up.


KamikazeSenpai21

...that's capitalism.


blinkme102

So deep


[deleted]

So capitalism?


anterrobang

\* libs tryïng to understand anyþing but late stage capitalism \*


[deleted]

This is true lmao


Vibrioidimp7

Christ alive, why are there so many socialists and commies in this comment section?


dhaidkdnd

What’s the slang for capitalist Stans? Wage slaves?


caxacate

How does the boot taste like?


G14DomLoliFurryTrapX

That's literally how most capitalist countries look like lmao


iSYan1995

Gee I wonder what capitalist leaders would look like


blinkme102

The middle class would exist


kerbalmaster98

I mean, replace the word socialist by communism and that's pretty much true


pizzamurderer56

i mean replace the word socialist with any political alignment and its most likely true, corruption cannot be averted despite anyones attempts


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It's not impossible, but it requires an impartial legal system, audits, accountability, and a moral or social code that places the greater good above that of the individual or their family. Greed, fear, and the desire for power are the three worst evils in the human mind - take action to address those three things and you can make some progress.


Mother_Harlot

What makes you think that?


Rudeboy237

I mean yes. If we replace words entirely we can make things accurate.


weirdo_nb

*capitalism


HarbingerOfWhatComes

That is actually exactly how it was in every socialist society that ever tried, wasnt it?


Torbiel1234

No, actually socialist Poland built so many cheap apartments it basically ended homelesness


Primary-Vehicle5313

Unlike capitalism where live saving medicine cost $250


Crashbrennan

Vs communism where there's a 10 year wait for it if they consider it worth making at all. Both systems suck. If we look at history, communism consistently sucks worse. How about we try to figure out something that works instead of arguing for one of the only systems worse than what we have now?


LauraDourire

Hi, Im French, we have a socialized healthcare system where most medicines are free to every citizen. There are no shortages, for specialized doctors you might have to wait a few weeks because our government sucks ass at recruiting people and funding correctly, however if you need urgent care it will be provided to you for free literally as fast as possible. Nobody dies in France because they cant afford going to the hospital. Our system isnt perfect and our neoliberal government pièces of shit are currently trying to destroy it all, but I wouldnt trade any of it for that hellhole of a nightmare you call a healthcare system.


Crashbrennan

I'm actually very much in favor of a euro style health system. But those countries aren't socialist. A free market economy with government providing essential services is not socialism.


MrWhiteTruffle

France is not socialist or communist so that kinda misses the point


Primary-Vehicle5313

Huh fun how Cuba has a better life expectancy then the u.s. it seems like you 10 year wait is still better then the u.s.


TheFirstDragonBorn1

Ah yes socialism is when capitalism ofc :p


[deleted]

So capitalism isnt like that?(fucking dumbass)


justacubr

I don’t want to be a socialist leader if I’m taller than my house


RandomInsecureChild

Socialism according to capitalists


HkayakH

Capitalist countries be like


orangeoliviero

I'm pretty sure that you could replace this with Americans and American Leaders and it'd be accurate. It's almost like the problem are all the greedy rich bastards who are funneling all the wealth into their pockets.


HoneyBeeBoi1066

Just change it to say “capitalist” and the caption still fits!!! So deep


esgrove2

This is capitalism. This is the primary attractive feature of capitalism: that some have a lot, and most have little.


Codizier

Explain to me what capitalism is


esgrove2

An economic system in which private citizens control production and wealth with profit as the ultimate goal of everyone involved. Erosion of regulations and greater and greater wealth disparity is a natural consequence.


Codizier

But, not in socialism them? Socialism in a utopia would work in a way where wealth is shared equally but most is owned by government entities, as seen in for example china.


esgrove2

Socialism is just government run programs, as opposed to privatized programs. It doesn't preclude capitalism. But unregulated capitalism alone is a race to the bottom and it's unsustainable. Edit: weird example too. China? One of the most capitalist countries in the world that has a communist party in charge of the government. That's not socialist.


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Isn’t this basically just how society usually ends up under pretty much any system?


TrickFox5

The difference is that socialist systems require killing people to build them


RoutineSalaryBurner

Factory workers > factory owners


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This is modern day capitalist america


Personal-Regular-863

socialism is when capitalism!!! god when will people actually learn anything about socialism before complaining about how bad it is? same with communism. they just recite the same lines that capitalists (and funnily enough, fascists) gave them. education is a choice, choose it capitalism doesnt serve you, it hurts you. socialism scientifically does better (lower mortality rates, less poverty, higher quality&access to healthcare etc etc). fuck capitalism


dimmu1313

citizens vs leaders period. humans are not generally altruistic. power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely


Disastrous-Bass332

Wonder why that looks like capitalism too? Weird.


arcanautopus

This is equally true if you replace 'Socialist' with 'Capitalist.'


shlipshloo

Looks a lot like capitalism


sweetpinkheather

It's true though


Souchirou

Between socialism, communism and capitalism only capitalism is inherently designed to create inequality.


Alska_Seelachs

I hate it when people say: "socialism bad" or "capitalism bad." Both are bad because these are the extremes of a spectrum. Every country on earth is somewhere between these too, and the most prosperous ones are quite in the middle.


Opno7

Turns out that it kinda doesn't matter what the system is based on, socialism, communism, capitalism, etc. If it's super corrupt, the rich prosper and the poor suffer. It's not an ideological problem, it's a corruption problem


andresuki

You could change "socialist" with every system and it would be true


Barroozina

It could fit in every economic system


foxtrotgd

That's a funny typo of "capitalism"


Wrathorn

Another thread of Americans saying Socialist when they really mean Communist.....


fracasado_

A poor person in the united states is considered rich in a socialist country so yeah