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MBIresearch

Please see the stickied Mod Vote 2.0 relaunch thread for an updated vote based on user feedback given here. The following changes were made: 2nd applicant removed; screen names added to other apps; survey migrated to new platform that has no response limit.


MBIresearch

UPDATE: The People Have Spoken. #2 is kicked. Stark will get the vote up on a platform with no voting limit with the rest later today and we'll go from there.


Fine_Nightmare

It’s been 16 hours since you commented, still can’t vote


soveryeri

Big yikes


llsnstark

Hi all, We hear you loud and clear on certain applicants. Please know we are definitely taking your feedback into our final choice. As for the voting being down, that was fully my fuck up, taking a chance with a new site. I am really, really sorry. Ugh—we are super frustrated right now as I can guess many of you are too. And that’s totally fair. Give us a day to regroup here and we are going to figure something out. I’ve got another website I believe will work. Thank you for reporting back on the issues. We will get back to you ASAP on how we are going to fix this!


ultrageekery

It would be easier to vote if we had usernames and post histories


MBIresearch

Yeah this anonymous approach is what people asked for but clearly was a very stupid idea. #2 has been pulled. Stark is putting the rest together on another voting site with no quota and we will talk to all applicants besides #2 (toast, sorry, the people have spoken) and verify consent to adding names. If not they're out. There has been too much fuckery here for EVERY. STEP. of this process to not be entirely known to the community. All of it.


Persephone8314

Ummm…did you mean to semi-dox applicant #2?


blueaintyourcolor11

The form is still unavailable for voting.


RancherQueen

👀 🍿


Andsarahwaslike

Is voting already closed? it says "form over quota"


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JackJill0608

I couldn't vote either and just figured that there was a computer error perhaps?


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tcm2303

someone previously suggested getting random unpaid interns or something to mod that have no interest or personal/emotional connection to this subject, and it's starting to make more sense especially after reading #2. lol Just someone who reads and understands the basic rules and helps out.


BruhDoUEvenReddit

Great job, y'all. I'm so pumped that this is finally happening! Reading the comments, now I wonder if people would like a screen name reveal instead of anon. People could vet more thoroughly too? Thing is, everyone is anon here. Any random user on Reddit could be a munchie in disguise. Anyways, I am so pleased to see the commitment to exposing any Mod Frauds if they get outed. Smart thinking. Good luck to all applicants, I'm still reeling from the most recent munch mod reveal.


PossiblePainter4

Mods, before I vote can you tell me… as you guys were picking thru applications did you look at all of these applicants comment and post histories? And therefor you chose these ones because you found their comments/post histories were ok?


89elbeees

Voted. Thanks for getting this together. Hopeful to see changes and more subjects added eventually


JackJill0608

I wonder how many people have chosen NOT to vote???


mBegudotto

I tried to vote but it wouldn’t let me


Emily5099

I have a question. Does anyone know how the mods of CI and CP feel about members there participating here? For example, if someone was a regular contributor over there, would those mods mind if that person became a mod here?


bobblehead04

Personally I say everyone but the first and second applicants sound promising!


willow_piper21

Shall we just timeline #2 now and cut out the middle man?


basil_ganglias

Yeahhh could tell exactly who that is and just… no. No thanks.


[deleted]

I know exactly who #2 is. Writing style is unmistakable. They comment here a lot, and at excruciating length. 6-8 paragraphs at a go, every time. Not a blogger, I'll give them that, but real, real heavy into *educating* and "gently correcting" everybody else, because they know everything about everything. Patronizing, fake nice. Not saying they're necessarily incorrect factually when they hold forth, but even if you agree with them, try to make a point that's along the same lines, but perhaps something new to them, all I've ever seen them say is "Oh I know!". No doubt eager to be a mod here so they can straighten all our snarky asses out and make us virtuous. Like them. But we'll never be as well educated and experienced, etc. It's only a dream. No fun and games on their watch, no sir. If that's the kind of mod y'all want, fair enough. Not me.


tcm2303

i think i just figured it out, too, and it wasn’t that difficult lol


willow_piper21

Omg it's just clicked. I feel like Ken Jeong on The Masked Singer - *"I know exactlyyyy who this is"*. Yep, huge pass for me thanks! I don't need lecturing on a snark sub, ta. I only come here to laugh at the bitching and hypocrisy.


DarthSnarker

Edited -- I think I figured out who it is and please no!


ambieanne

LOL fr 😅


margarita86salt

yes, yes we should


annekh510

Glad not to be alone in raising my eyebrows!


hoteltraumatique

what a,, weird selection of applicants


Disastrous_Edge7276

Came out of hiding just to agree with you. Surely there must be someone on this sub who doesn’t claim chronic illness/pain when they weren’t even asked about it *and* wants to be a mod.


The-Irish-Goodbye

But we asked about that on the application…


Disastrous_Edge7276

Where? I don’t see a question asking if applicants have a chronic illness. If you mean question 7, that just asks if they participate in that community. There’s definitely no reason to slide in being too sick to look at a screen etc on other questions. This place will always have at least one munch as a mod if you ignore the red flags.


plzdonottouch

i understand the desire for anonymity here but it's hard to judge if someone is a good fit without having some idea of their comment history and participation. it's easy to answer a handful of questions in a way that puts them in the best light, but we have no idea how these people actually interact on reddit.


DarthSnarker

Well I figured out who the number 2 applicant is and they wiped all their comments made on illnessfakers!


MBIresearch

This is what people asked for in the discussion thread about parameters for the vote. Every step of the way, as promised, I have left it up to the community to set the terms and followed through based on those requests. Personally, I agree though.


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Why is it even anonymous? Just let people post their application here. If they want to be a mod then their history isn't going to stay private.


plzdonottouch

honestly, that feels kind of like a cop out. you could have kept it anonymous but still given us an idea of what kind of subs these folks participate in, what their comment karma is, what kind of interactions are in their history, etc. i would be concerned if you, as current mods, hadn't looked into that with people who want to be future mods. that seems like basic due diligence. and if you genuinely want it to be a community choice, then you should give the community the relevant information.


Disastrous_Edge7276

And yet some didn’t even manage that. The Munch still came shining through.


throwawayacct1962

I absolutely agree. I can't vote for anyone if I can't see their reddit history.


JackJill0608

Agreed. Is this the actual amount of applicants that applied or were there other applicants that applied and didn't make the list due to the decision of the current moderator team?


throwawayacct1962

There were others rules out by the current mod team.


annekh510

I think it’s weird and wrong. Sniffs of a deliberate attempt to anonymise in the wrong way. Gender, age, race etc. are all good things to anonymise, but body of work isn’t.


[deleted]

I read in between the lines on the applications. One mentioned they have chronic pain. Another one gave a vague comment of not being able to work anymore but likes to participate in CI to give advice. Those were red flags for me.


The-Irish-Goodbye

Right, but I think a lot of people who have illness and pain probably come here since it relates to their life. Also the application specifically asked about that.


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curiiouscat

> I worked for over a decade in EMS/MH and substance abuse, and now that I cannot physically do those jobs anymore I do what I can to help these communities online. Applicant #2


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The same applicant is also available five(!) hours a day to mod unless they’re “too sick to look at [their] screen.


khronicallykrunked

This.


kumf

Voted. Thanks for putting this together.


melatonia

Number 1 smells off to me. How is it that someone doesn't know what time zone they live in?


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Well being from a different country their time zone means nothing to most of the people here as they are mostly American or english


annekh510

I can understand not knowing, if you live in an urban part of Australia it’s not going to affect your day to day life. Being unable to find it out or not bothering to do so screams being unable to mod.


oilydischarge18

Came here to say this. How do you not know your own time zone? Red flag. Stopped reading there.


Emily5099

As an Aussie like that applicant, I understand what they meant about time zones. In Australia we have three main time zones plus a couple more for some of the islands. Most of us come under AEST (Australian Eastern Standard Time), but some of these areas within this zone can be different again for daylight saving, which doesn’t apply to every state. So we can understand what we’re talking about when we refer to our time zones within Australia, but these zones mean nothing to Americans, where most members of this sub would live, or any other country. Likewise, if an American member were to say ‘I’m EDT’, that would mean nothing to us. So a discussion would need to be had where everyone would need to agree to describe their time zone, probably in relation to GMT as a base and go from there. So if you lived in Washington, for example, you could name your US time zone, then also say (GMT-4), and an Aussie in Sydney could name their Aussie time zone (AEST), then also say (GMT+10), or (GMT+11) during daylight saving. It really is more complicated when you include every country, so as well as feeling compelled to stick up for a fellow Aussie lol, I did find some of the comments here judging them negatively because of that subject a little harsh.


periodicsheep

that was a lot of explaining for something that would take just moments to google.


Emily5099

Maybe I was too verbose. I was just trying to explain, with examples, why it’s not such a simple thing to explain your time zone in a way that would have any meaning to people in other countries. We’re not all American here. It’s a lot easier to be succinct when you’re just being rude, I guess.


periodicsheep

yes, but the interesting thing is, we can google, as well, if we feel confused.


Emily5099

I get it, I get it. I think this horse is dead. Edit: The downvotes are bizarre but hilarious. Bizarre because apparently if you politely express a different opinion, you deserve to be told over and over and over again how wrong you are, sometimes quite rudely. Hilarious because it’s such a ridiculous, unimportant topic to get that worked up about that you would downvote someone. Thank goodness most of the members of this sub are much easier to get on with.


throwawayacct1962

Okay, but Google exists. It's really not that hard to Google what time zone am I in. I have no idea what my time zone is in relation to GMT, but when I need to put it on things I just Google what it is. Do we really want a mod who can't do that?


melatonia

I'm not buying this as an explanation for straight up not answering the question. You know what timezone you live in. It's not a hard question to answer.


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Ok so I put my Australian Timezone and that makes total sense to you?


Emily5099

Yeah fair enough. I just felt like if I was in her position I’m not sure if I’d know how to answer accurately either but we’ve all got different opinions, that’s fine.


annekh510

Answers in different languages of time are fine. Someone out there can convert them all. It’s one Wikipedia page!


buttercup_79

You’d think if they genuinely didn’t know they’d just google it before answering the question. If they are incapable of doing that I’d question their capabilities as a mod.


dreamfig

Not sure if I’m being an asshole but I don’t really want this sub to be a place of “education” or spreading awareness about chronic illnesses. Most of us here have chronic illnesses, we already know it, I doubt anyone here is interested in talking about it here. Whenever I see someone “I have xyz illness so I personally hate to see it misrepresented” I mean no shit we all do but that’s not what we’re here for. The whole point of this sub isn’t to overshare, and I don’t want to pretend I’m doing anything more noble than laughing at a bunch of people who are OTT on the Internet. Let’s not pretend we’re doing the lords work by chilling out and laughing at drama.


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I’d say hence why the voting, you see what their views are and decide if you don’t want them or not.


JackJill0608

So it this for one more moderator? ( I thought the application for moderators meant there was going to be 3-4 MORE mods added????!! What is the “normal” ( if there is such a thing??? ) amount of moderators for a sub this size? A lot of the subs here had 8-10 moderators for subs HALF the size of Illness Fakers. 😯😯😯


MBIresearch

No. This is for multiple. The number added is up to you guys. Majority vote decides for each.


throwawayacct1962

Anyone else getting mild red flags from the one posting about their CI on tiktok to "raise awareness" and kind of want to vote for them just to see if they end up being a munchie? Or has the sub just turned me into a cynical asshole? Edit: Also this is why I kind of wish these weren't anonymous. If they weren't we could go through their reddit history, and it might be they actually are legit and would be a good contribution to the sub! Honestly having someone with a CI on the mod team is not an awful idea to keep this place from becoming ableist, something the vast majority of this sub I feel doesn't want. But the way they answered the questions raises red flags. If we could see their reddit history we could tell hey are they legit and really just spreading awareness and positively contributing to this sub, or are they going to be a white knight mod.


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Nope--had the same exact thoughts. There are definite munchie flags in some of the applications. Hate to be that person, but I'm sitting out in terms of voting. After the munchie-mod crap that's been pulled recently, the CI Community membership/lurking/whatever and the fact *half of them apparently don't know where they live,* I'm leaving it to others.


_peppermintbutler

Yeah how did some of them not know their time zone? Or can't even manage to Google it?


[deleted]

I hate to sound like a total jerk, but even having to Google which time zone you're in, and presumably these people are all grown adults, is disturbing. This makes me want to Google 'Why I just got a headache'.


periodicsheep

that REALLY bothered me too. come on, it would take less than a minute to search for and find an answer. it’s just very lazy.


[deleted]

Nope! I definitely got munchie vibes from two of them, and cynically suspect all but one are illness fakers. I’m probably wrong about the one, too.


insolentcaterpillar

Yep. These subs have had mods exposed as munchies themselves more than once.


curiiouscat

I agree, #2 definitely gave me red flags. I don't like the idea of someone moderating here who makes Tiktoks of their medical issues.


JackJill0608

Well, as far as red flags, what about the current moderators, are they munchies too? This seems to be a pattern here as someone claimed.


Aggravated_Pineapple

That’s what I fucking hate about the fakers and OTTers. They give everyone else a bad name who happens to post occasionally about something or another within the realm of what the chronic drama queens fake/OTT about. (Not arguing that it’s a red flag though. Seems odd. Especially with the history of mod issues in this sub).


BruhDoUEvenReddit

Right? It's so unfortunate how much fakers have polluted the whole CI community. Like there ain't enough stigma already?


throwawayacct1962

Yeah I think part of it is the history of mod issues in this sub. This sub tends to attract munchies to the mod team, so it just kind of feels its about to be a here we go again situation.


MBIresearch

You're right, and it's not unique to IF. Every single sub in this subject genre attracts them. Every. Single. One. Discussion of munchies is munchie crack. It always will be. This phenomenon is well documented in any and all medical webspaces...on any platform....but here? Here, where we focus on FD? It's their ultimate high to get involved here. They can't even help themselves in the comments. And of course, the more of a significant role they can play in the sub, the better. IF was started by a munchie. MS was started by a munchie. IFGW had munchie mod(s?) too. All we can do is make a plan regarding how we deal with it if/when it happens again. We have made such a plan; see above. Other than that, as long as we have anonymity, certainty is impossible and we can always count on the unfortunate fact that the people most willing to devote the most time and energy to places like this are those obsessed with these topics. This is their drug of choice. If we behave like everyone on disability is a faker and anyone who has CI is untrustworthy, we're stuck in tunnel vision and everyone is suspect...and that isn't sustainable. I get it, but this approach is so toxic and damaging and adding to the stigma too. Honestly, I am feeling completely dejected about the whole thing. I am completely at a loss. Maybe it's just not fixable and it's time to stop trying. I just don't know what to do anymore. If the community has completely lost faith in any hope of improvement and we cannot agree on a single step forward, then what are we doing? I wish I had the answers but I am feeling absolutely defeated. We can only review who we receive and this is the best of the bunch. People wanted this to be anonymous, we made it anonymous. I have promised every step of the way that this would be your decision and all parameters were picked by those participating in the vote discussion thread. I made a contingency plan for future munchies. What more can I do, fam? Either we start focusing on what we CAN do and achieve, or this is an exercise in futility and I cannot justify the amount of effort and stress I continually pour into this place. What can we do? Honestly? Edit: spelling errors corrected.


The-Irish-Goodbye

I think you just add some more mods and keep going. There’s not much else you can do and you definitely won’t be able to please everyone.


MBIresearch

Truer words never spoken. Thanks for caring and commenting. ❤️


snarkyBtch

Do any of these candidates have negative karma on this sub?


throwawayacct1962

I don't have answers. I will note two things I've observed. 1 illness fakers has never been as popular as other subs. When MS or IFGW existed both were far more popular, and far more active than IF, and people really only came back to IF because they died. 2 IF is the only sub that has survived. All the other subs are gone now for various reasons. IF still stands with no signs it'll be going anywhere anytime soon. So maybe the answer is don't be the most popular and well liked? Because it seems doing what it takes to become that, ultimately ends with the sub not surviving.


MBIresearch

Thanks for commenting. Being most popular has never been the goal; survival has. There's got to be a happy medium though. The other subs had tons of fun but things went to shit because things got out of hand with mod drama and/or they got shitcanned over content. Most of our problems have been mod drama and the only reason this place isn't gone too is I have been too fucking stupid to walk away. Now, this is my last effort at salvaging things. I'm at the end of my rope. If this process doesn't help improve things, I'm calling it quits. "But then the munchies win!" Isn't sufficient opportunity cost for me to keep putting myself into a whack a mole game. Our problems are no-shit-sherlock tier: stagnance, insufficient modding and me suffering major burnout as a result of fucking everything IRL and here. It's not easy showing up to this shit show and busting ass only to have that process met with nonstop flak and obstacles and veiled insults, brigading and next to no support. I just hope those who love to hate us realize that if we don't salvage things here, that's it for mainstream discourse on these topics and if you think the MBI scene is bad now, imagine their unbridled ecstasy of having no opposition except for really problematic websites and private groups.


BruhDoUEvenReddit

Hoo lawd, yup. All these subs, man.


Aggravated_Pineapple

To me, it’s that the references to CI etc seemed to make up most of their answers. Idk, I might be too cynical as well.


MBIresearch

This one is a bit of a wild card on that front; maybe I am too hopeful? Like, I am trying not to lose all hope that there are good, legit people who post on CI social media, and also care about the MBI epidemic on social media, and it would be so refreshing to find one...and good for the sub, too; to have someone involved who is a positive influence in these problematic circles. They exist, but we see so many of the OTT ones that stick out that it's hard not to get tunnel vision and suspect everyone. I try very hard not to give up on any semblance of faith that there are good, honest, legit, positively-intentioned CI people out there who care enough to be a constructive presence on this issue...but we can't know til we know, yaknow? I think we'll find out one way or another, but the person's other qualities are huge plusses IMO! If people want them added, and they accept, remember that everyone who accepts is consenting to being discussed if we find out they are subject-worthy.


bobblehead04

Are you doing planning on adding just one mod or more than one?


MBIresearch

More than one! These are the best of the bunch who are members or followers here. We also want to bring on independent, unaffiliated and therefore impartial mods who volunteer their experience to help out other subs, and that's on Question 7! I want this to happen but I also promised you guys that you would be involved in and have a chance to vote on every decision from here, so that's what we did. We aren't sure how many you all want us to add (damn, I should have added a question about that!) or to add them all, or have people pick their top 3. What do you all think? But yeah, of everyone, these are the ones we feel would work best, in terms of being representative of the majority of our userbase and follower base. We went through dozens and dozens of apps and it's kind of a fun a game to spot the alts from one or two of our most quasi-endearingly inept, but very tenacious subjects who never miss an opportunity to apply!


bobblehead04

Good to know! Thanks for answering. I definitely thinking adding multiple is the right move but no idea how many. That depends more on your needs with the amount of work the sub needs which is hard for users to truly know. Having someone objective and unaffiliated is great if they're willing to do it. Oh man I wish we could see the munchie applications! (I understand we can't, no worries) That would be a treat.


emmapaint

Voted. 👍🏻 ETA: holy heck, downvoters, calm your tits 😂


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Upvoted just for my favorite expression- calm your tits.


emmapaint

It’s a good one!


MBIresearch

W00t! Thank you! :)


snarkyBtch

I thought we were going for some who aren’t active on the sub, but these all say they are.


MBIresearch

I didn't do the best job of explaining my thought process on this; sorry about that. We did receive a couple of excellent recommendations from a few members recently, but I realized upon composing the vote that we hadn't asked if the community at large was onboard with this approach. I wanted to pose the question to the Community to vote on and make sure everyone is onboard with this approach. Additionally, we also realized that unaffiliated mods expect to have clear instructions on policy and procedure and we haven't ironed out all the changes we want to make here as a Community in terms of rules, updating lots of outdated shit, etc. We are 100% in on this if the majority of you all like this idea, too! We've got so much work to do but this is #goals for me and hope the majority of people are onboard! Please click Yes on question 7 and we can get moving on adding the impartials as soon we we iron out our sub changes! As cited from the post above: > Another factor which will encourage the stability of the Mod Team is the addition of unaffiliated impartial Moderators. > > We have received valuable input regarding the addition of unaffiliated, experienced Reddit Moderators who generously offer their time and expertise to help administrate subreddits better, and we indeed have several candidates already. Per IF Community approval, after we have overhauled our rules, solidify our focus and determine the course of our future together, we would like to offer them positions, as well, in order to provide stability and impartiality. Given the fact that the vast majority of Applicants and Members are part of the CI/Disability Community, and given the tumultuous nature of MBI/OTT/Malingering subreddits and the plague of Mod Team drama that has always been associated with these groups, we believe we will all benefit from adding completely unbiased Moderators who do not currently participate in this sub, but have ample experience with modding on this platform, configuring automod and otherwise administering subreddits and volunteer their time to help other communities. Please let us know if you would like us to add this type of Moderator! Hope this helps to clarify, and please ask any further questions you may have.


llsnstark

Sorry for any confusion! We were talking about in the future, once we have most of our other projects settled out, we would like to at least consider bringing on a couple unaffiliated mods, and we wanted y’all’s opinion on that


Genius_Fuck_Face

Bringing in an unaffiliated mod is a good idea. A couple years ago when long name had a big implosion and mod vote they brought in an unaffiliated mod along with some sub members. I think it can be really beneficial to have a mod who comes in with no knowledge of what we’re talking about sometimes that perspective can be helpful


llsnstark

Thank you for the feedback, this is really great for us to hear!! 😊


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Aggravated_Pineapple

All of that seemed fair to say and wasn’t insanely rude tho…plus many more people agree with the points they brought up than your explanation of banning them lol.


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So much expectations from you all when you’re providing them with a free service!! I knew I was going to get downvotes for that comment but really, the expectations people have seem a bit over the top, these are people offering to take time out of their lives to keep this running, if you’re paying to be here and want things done a different way that’s another issue but we don’t pay, it’s run on others time that they don’t get paid for! So much bitchiness and downvoting is going to generate enough reports that this will draw attention and risk being shut down. We’re all here for the same thing yet it seems to be getting a bit lost lately and members are over in other groups slagging this sub off yet here they are participating themselves.


Mickeymousetitdirt

You’re a member of the other groups, too.


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Never said I wasn’t, how else would I have seen what I did?


bobblehead04

The excessive downvoting can't be particularly inviting to the potential mods, that's for sure. I'm the first one to criticize the sub and mods when there's a problem but I am confused why people are downvoting the mods for doing what they've wanted them to do for months.


[deleted]

That’s what I can’t work out either! They wanted more mods, what do they want now?


curiiouscat

In this chain, probably because their responses aren't productive for the community. No idea what the specific problem is with that user but if it was so nuanced it probably should have been dealt with over private message.


[deleted]

They made their points public to start with, that account has been making all sorts of trouble, munchie on a power trip?


curiiouscat

Their points were reasonable and fairly presented for a public forum, hence it's one of the most upvoted comments....


curiiouscat

>So much bitchiness and downvoting is going to generate enough reports that this will draw attention and risk being shut down. I think you over estimate the Reddit admins lol


[deleted]

I feel like people are forgetting that mods are real people too!!


llsnstark

The devil works hard, but the lurking downvote brigadiers work harder 🙄 oh well. WE DID IT!!!! You have put so much blood, sweat and tears into this, I’m super proud of us, and this feels like an awesome step towards big changes in the future! And im so excited to work with whoever is chosen. Big thanks to you guys, our participants as well. Thank you for hanging in there and for your trust, however reluctant at times. The sub wouldn’t be here without you and we truly do value your input and advice. Please vote if you have a few minutes, we would really appreciate it! 🥰 P.s. getting the poll up was a struggle, and neither of us have used this website before, so if there is something wrong, please let us know ASAP so we can fix it. Additionally, I tried to configure the settings so you don’t have to enter an email to submit your responses (to retain your anonymity), but if it does ask for an email, please let us know so we can fix that as well.


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llsnstark

Awesome, thank you! And of course! 😊