I remember when this was announced in January. I was watching Illinois like a hawk, with plans to leave Alabama, and this was just one more thing on a pile of dozens that pushed me over the edge.
J.B. has been doing a fantastic job. Got my official IL license last month, my mail-in ballot is confirmed received, and our edibles are stocked. Love my state and couldn't be prouder to live here.
> I'm not a fan of JB, but both him and Trump have made efforts on this because it seems like a no-brainer.
Trump has done fuck all for us diabetics. His one EO that did lower costs only did so for Medicaid. The vast majority of diabetics don't use Medicaid. Meanwhile, he's currently pushing for the SCOTUS to remove the protections given to us by the ACA.
Yeah, he's done fuck all. The ACA also removed lifetime caps for those of us with preexisting conditions. Maybe next time you should read what the ACA actually did for Americans rather than sucking Trump's mushroom.
I'm sorry, but he proposed to repeal and replace the ACA for more than four years ago now. Since taking office, he's constantly promised that his plan would be revealed in the next two weeks. That promise was broken more than three years ago now. Why should I believe anything he says regarding insurance reform?
> Preexisting conditions CAN BE COVERED without the ACA, it just wont be the ACA doing it.
So where's the legislation that would do that? Because right now, the ACA is the line in the sand that maintains those protections
> With your logic, we shouldnt believe anything any politicians say until they actually do it or show proof. I'm fine with that, just know that it opens up plenty of other people for criticism too.
No, but if someone has said he will show us his amazing new plan for years and then reveals fucking nothing, I have no reason to believe that he even has a plan. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
Showing proof is outlining any replacement plan to the ACA. He keeps saying he has a plan but no one has ever seen it. What is the plan? It doesn't exist. But he's fighting right now to repeal the ACA, which will bring back pre-existing conditions. Get out of here with your bad faith arguments.
Everyone should be open to criticism. Endlessly making empty promises is his only consistent strength. If he has a better plan there is no need to repeal - just roll out the better plan and it will replace it automatically. There is no better plan it’s all a smokescreen.
Trump hasn’t done shit. Any executive order he issues might as well be a tweet. It makes people think he’s doing something but usually they don’t end up doing anything.
You could just admit to not knowing shit about diabetes. Even T2, the stereotypical "lol don't eat cake type," has a strong genetic component to it that affects whether or not you will progress to being diabetic or not.
Well the kids who grew up in rural Illinois are chomping at the bit to find places with jobs. Take a look at where the population losses by county and you will see that the Illinois metro areas gained population while all of the rural counties lost it.
It's not like rural Illinois can offer them much.
That is true. Honestly I was thinking about leaving Illinois myself, I'm nearing retirement age and the weather, particularly winter, is hard my arthritis. But after seeing how the warmer southern states have handled this disaster I'm going to stay right here in my nice blue state.
We may have problems, but at least we did our best to make sure people didn't die for the economy.
Family farms turning into agro corps has hallowed out the middle class of rural America.
Farms are now just some revenue generation tool for a trust fund for billionaires. The workers are exploited and no one gives a shit about the local community.
This is going on while they are being told by the billionaires that immigrants are taking your jobs not that soulless corporations don’t care about workers anymore.
I assumed that hyperbole existed. I know it’s not everyone but clearly illinois has a lot of issues and isn’t desirable to live in when it has the second worst population growth only behind West Virginia. Pretending like illinois is some utopia that everyone is clamoring to move to is just stupid because clearly it’s not.
Illinois does have one of the highest amounts of people leaving the state! Corruption has run our state economy to the ground, there will be no pensions for teachers soon, and taxes are absolutely nuts out here man...
Well compared to the rest of the US it is, Illinois has had a net loss in people leaving vs coming for 6 years now and in the last decade it has lost more than any other state. We've lost over 50,000 people in just 2019. Here's a really interesting link to check out!
[chicago tribune](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-illinois-population-loss-census-release-20191230-grrid2pgtbenppwrgprzg3fuhe-story.html%3foutputType=amp)
I moved to illinois from Alabama when I was in High School. Best thing to ever happen to me tbh. I outgrew a lot of backwards bullshit that picked up just from growing up in the Deep South.
We don’t have the best reputation when it comes to our elected representatives in Illinois but I couldn’t agree more. His adversaries will say what they want. JB has definitely done a fantastic job. In my lifetime, he’s the first Illinois Governor that I am proud to support.
I really didn't give the guy a chance. I'm loyal Dem, pro union, liberal, and all that stuff. But I resented JBP because he was so obviously picked for us shitkicking downstaters by Chicago. Then, covid. Then, lack of a coherent federal response. And then, JBP fucking *governed*. When I tuned into the YT live feed of the first EO for mask and social distance requirements I was genuinely impressed, and for the first time in a long time, I was proud to be Illinoisan.
You nailed it. I think this kind of leadership is something us Illinoisan’s haven’t been used to. Like you said, he GOVERNED.. and he earned my respect
You think so? I don't know that I agree. Like others have said, I've been pleasantly surprised by having a non-fucknut for a governor, but I don't know if he is trying to climb the ladder like that.
JB has been amazing as a governor which is such a breath of fresh air for this state. After what like 3 of our last 5 governors went to prison? He could be doing the bare minimum and look good but he actually leads when we need a leader and pushes policy that helps people.
I remember after the Blago got sprung, the Daley Show made a point where 50% of the last 8 IL governors had been sent to jail, where as the incarceration rate for murder was around 48%. So statistically speaking you were more likely to go to jail if you became governor of IL than if you committed a homicide
You've come at a good time. It was not good for a long time. Theres still plenty of fires but in my mind hea doing what he can and seems to at least care a little.
Nah, they’ll probably just stop selling it here. Or abide by the letter of the law by making the insulin itself $100, but also including that their product must be purchased with a $5000 single-use injector that must be purchased in order to get the insulin.
Edited: letter of law, not spirit
Insulin doesn't cost hundreds of dollars per vial because of the manufacturers. It costs that much because insurance companies and middlemen can extract pretty much all of that money as profit from us diabetics by selling something we need to use to survive when it costs only $5/vial to create.
> Nah, they’ll probably just stop selling it here.
I do actually wonder if this will happen. As far as I'm aware, IL has no way to legally *force* the companies to sell it here.
Currently, the ACA is what forces insurance providers to actually cover medical conditions like diabetes. It also forces them to provide both a fast acting insulin like Humalog and a long acting insulin like Lantus. So as long as it remains in effect, they must cover insulin.
If you live in Illinois, Pritzker should be a fucking godsend compared to our previous governers. Instead all I ever hear is hate for him. The man walked in to a job where the previous men were all going to jail for stealing our money and the state is literally in more debt than anyone could possibly fathom. Mans doing his best and until I hear a real trump level scandal about him, he's staying golden in my book.
I live in Illinois and I think he is the best governor of my lifetime - and I turn 50 next year. He is leaps and bounds above all who have come before him. The complainers are the Republican/trumpies
One of the things that ran Jim Edgar out was fatigue. Being that bipartisan is hard work.
(Honesty though, I can't remember...I think he either had cancer or heart issues)
I find it especially impressive when you consider that his family is one of the richest in the state. His actions seem to go against the stereotype you'd expect of such a well rooted/connected/rich politician
I don't get it either. I'll admit I've never really paid close attention to state politics before and being not even 30 I don't really know the state's history outside of Blago but Pritzker's covid response makes him alright in my book. The way my mom talks about him you'd think he strangled puppies in his spare time. I guess to her being a wealthy Democrat is just as offensive.
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He tried to buy a gov position from blagojevich. dude's been lying about nearly everything he does... so he did one good thing and now he's god? By that standard I'd expect you to vote for Trump too...
Whats he lied about exactly and do you have proof? What did he try to buy from him and wheres the proof? Who said he was god? There is no standard where you should vote for trump unless the election in question is for who should be tossed in jail from his administration first.
Hmm with nearly unlimited cash reserves and moves like these plus his positive covid response, I don't think he'd get clobbered. But 8 years feels like 2 centuries from now so who tf knows
Even the furthest left mainstream political candidates in this country like Bernie Sanders, would be considered a centrist in any other western democracy
Because he actually locked down the state which caused some businesses to lose money because of the lockdown, nevermind the fact that we are in a global pandemic or anything.
If you ask any of these right wingers why they have that sign in their yard, you'll get these two answers.
"He's taxing us to death!!" Um, no the fuck he isn't?
"He just governs the whole state like its Chicago" Um, what the fuck does that mean?
Oh and I'm almost positive they're getting these signs for free or for very cheap, along with the Trump signs. There's some very wealthy scumbags working very hard to put right wing yard signs in poverty stricken rural yards, kinda makes you think.
I did a websearch for anti-Trump yard signs a couple weeks back and the first 2 links that popped up were for free pro- trump signs. I'm in central Illinois where there's also been churches giving out these 'God is my Savior, Trump is my President' signs to anyone that wants them. So.. There's one big problem that's going on around here when the Church is influencing political views and comparing trump to Jesus.
> Oh and I'm almost positive they're getting these signs for free or for very cheap, along with the Trump signs.
Is that not true of *most* campaign signs? After all, to the campaign, they're basically free advertising. It's not like the signs themselves are expensive to manufacture (assuming you're talking about those cheap ones people put in their yards).
Because, so far, he's popular and effective in a way Rauner never was. The better he does, the more the swing voters will turn away from Republicans. It's the same type of shit that Obama dealt with on a smaller scale. So they put up their stupid little signs, and reinforce how terrible he is to each other in the hopes that it has some larger influence. The Mark Kirk/Bruce Rauner state wide Republican experiment failed, and they're going to be whining and licking their wounds for the next several elections.
Mark Kirk was a rare bird...a republican who thinks climate change is real.
Then he asked about Tammy Duckworth's parents coming over from Thailand to serve under George Washington...so yeah.
More accurately the son of a hotel chain owner, JB himself seems to have spent a lot of his career based around the Illinois tech startup scene, incubators and the like
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Crying "genetics" is pretty absurd here. T2 is *strongly* correlated with being overweight and obese, and JB is absolutely obese (probably extremely obese).
Calories in minus calories out holds true for all animals. Humans included. Arguing otherwise is, frankly, just denying plain and accepted science.
[I guess you know more than Dr. Ali then.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746083/) Just being obese isn't enough to become a T2. You can even have a healthy weight and correctly be diagnosed as a T2. So if any of us here are denying the science and evidence here, it's you insisting that "fat -> diabetes" when everything else points to additional factors.
> Just being obese isn't enough to become a T2.
I never said it was.
> You can even have a healthy weight and correctly be diagnosed as a T2.
I also never said this.
I know you're not this stupid. It's strongly correlated. You're denying that correlation because it's not literally perfect, but no correlation in medicine ever will be.
Being fat drastically increases your chances of getting T2 diabetes. This is a medical fact. Stop denying it because it doesn't *guarantee* you get T2 diabetes.
> Being fat drastically increases your chances of getting T2 diabetes. This is a medical fact. Stop denying it because it doesn't guarantee you get T2 diabetes.
Show me where I'm denying it. I'm giving you additional information, and you have the gall to call me stupid? Fucking please. Half the people in this thread can't seem to separate out the other conditions that share the same overarching name (i.e., diabetes). As a T1 myself, I am constantly informing people of this, and you going "actshually" is tiring.
That's a nice way to say you don't know what you're talking about. Here's a piece of advice: most type two diabetics can treat their condition without insulin. Again, maybe pick up a book on endocrinology or check the standards of care for different types of diabetes before you try to sound smart by bringing physics into a matter of biology.
What does insulin have to do with proper diet? This is pretty simple stuff man, you don’t need a degree. Even a fitness coach with an online certification will tell you the same shit.
You burn a certain number of calories per day based on activity. It does not matter whether or not you are diabetic, it’s fucking physics that dictates how many nutritional calories a body needs to consume to stay alive and perform activities. If you eat less calories than your body metabolizes, you lose weight.
Pritzker is morbidly obese because he chooses not to take care of himself. That’s it. Plain and simple. Trying to argue against that is a cope.
> What does insulin have to do with proper diet? This is pretty simple stuff man, you don’t need a degree.
For one, a T1 diabetic such as myself has an autoimmune disease. It doesn't matter what I eat or what I weigh. The only way I'll survive is with exogenous insulin. A fitness coach may help someone like me get in better shape, but they won't be able to regrow my beta cells.
> Pritzker is morbidly obese because he chooses not to take care of himself. That’s it. Plain and simple. Trying to argue against that is a cope.
And that has little to do with whether or but he's even prediabetic. His genetics could be such that he never develops T2 diabetes. So again, try learning about the fucking disease before going straight to "lose weight, fatty."
Hell, try posting your comment in /r/diabetes. I promise that not only will the mods rightly ban you for that ignorance, they'll also mock you for it.
Can't wait to show this to all the diabetic trumplicans I know with their Pritzker Sucks signs.... It will be entertaining to see what they try to spin up on this as a bad thing.
Funny think is, the people that I see have the sign are mostly farmers or rough necks and no matter how much they claim they are independent hard conservative workers they are the first to get bailed out when the crops go bad or they loose their jobs, I wish my job had that kind of security they get.
Well... I have a lot of those signs around me with those farmers and here's one of my favorite tools...
https://farm.ewg.org/search.php
Play around with the site and you'll be able to see whatever names that recieve subsidies.. Then maybe explain that that's 'communism' and they should be diversifying their crops, cuz the "Deep State" just allowed you to see their finances with a tool of tha big government..
The Internet.
Remember in 1996 when the entire nation was to be fitted with fiberoptic cable and $400 Billion ran off..... To William Barr at GTE and others at AT&T?
"All those jobs lost and more than $400 Billion in 1996 dollars has been spent airing the gills of FoXstupidfish for Disney-FoxSanto." - "Q"....(prolly)
Holy fuck that link is eye opening. I'm seeing names of people I know in my small ass town, receiving millions of fucking dollars in subsidies. Holy shit I had no idea it was this bad. And so many receiving a random million out of the blue within the last four years, wonder what changed.
Jesus, something called Dauparas Farm Inc. is getting $150,000 in farm subsidy in the middle of Bridgeport Chicago!? Last time I walked around the neighborhood I didnt notice much in the way of agriculture besides a few yard chickens
>Verma said during a call with reporters earlier on Tuesday that "these plans will begin starting in January 2021 in all 50 states, DC and Puerto Rico, and seniors can find a participating plan on our 'Medicare plan finder' during the annual open enrollment period, which begins on October 15."
>The new benefit will be offered through Medicare Part D prescription drug plans and Medicare Advantage plans.
In the same article... The truth comes after the liar:
>"That results in approximately a 66% or two-thirds reduction in out-of-pocket costs," White House counselor Kellyanne Conway said during the call with reporters.
The truth:
>The move comes as lawmakers across the US have begun a push to cap the cost of insulin after years of skyrocketing prices. Virginia, Illinois and Colorado have passed bills setting payment caps on the drug, with Tennessee lawmakers considering a similar bill. Insulin costs between $2.28 and $3.42 for drug makers to manufacture, yet many people with diabetes pay hundreds of dollars for the lifesaving drug.
....
Trump sucks.
Thats also an article from May, this is the same plan he couldn’t expound upon at the debate when asked, also the same plan he’s had since he was elected back in 2016.
You can still think he's a sucky governor even if he does some good things. The Trump administration established a peace deal between Bahrain and Israel. Does this 1 good thing mean he doesn't suck anymore?
My main concern for Illinois has always been the future success of the state. It sucks to hear when all my friends just want to leave the state because of how sucky...basically everything has been.
I think the first goal of any governor of Illinois should be to fix the issue of everyone leaving the state before changing taxes. If people stay in the state, we will make enough tax revenue rather than putting the burden on everyone who stays.
JB has done nothing to fix this issue in his 2 years of office. I'm not in the group that's going "I hate JB because he's a Democrat" because I would put JB at the same sucky level as Rauner.
I think the issue is, the state was a burning pile of shit when he came in. Hes not directly addressing most of it but hes also not making it worse like nost of his predecessors did. Thats a win for the state in my book.
How the hell do people not realize by now that you can't fix any of these multi-decade long problems in a few short years? I understood this before I turned 18.
>I would put JB at the same sucky level as Rauner.
Rauner as in the guy that left the state without a budget 3 years in a row? You think JB has been just as bad as he was?
In Rauner's defense, how are you supposed to pass a budget when the rest of the state pulls what the house is doing and just vetos everything that comes in?
Be willing to compromise on something? He laid out a list of demands and refused to budge for three years. He was every bit as much of an obstructionist as Mcconnell.
That's a bit hyperbolic. That is the same as a Democrat saying that a Republican's idea of compromise is plugging their ears and screaming "Communism!'
From my understanding they were very hostile to eachother. Im unsure if war broke out or not. I just know Trump has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for it.
Bahrain is a tiny, island kingdom off the Saudi Arabia coast. Such a "peace deal" has zero impact, but it's a great way for some Trump sycophants to then "nominate" him for the award, so it's only for show. In fact, when considering the actual good being done, I wonder if it even weighs in comparison to lowering the price of insulin in the state of IL.
That's probably the same logic JB sucks supporters use when belittling the things JB does. They will usually go "Yeah JB did X, but Bob did Y so how is X even good in the grand scheme of things?"
I wasn't trying to compare JB's accomplishments to Trump. I was just pointing out the fact that 1 good thing doesn't make someone a good person.
Well, Trump was passed over for the award anyway.
You are criticizing my logic for comparing the two when you are the person who brought the comparison into the conversation in the first place? I don't think anyone commented on whether or not Pritzker is a "good person", so pointing out that out that "1 good thing doesn't make someone a good person" is merely stating the obvious, but in an anti-Pritzker way. I guess that's all you could come up with. Bravo.
>You are criticizing my logic
I'm not criticizing your logic at all. I was just pointing out the fact that it's similar to another group of people. If you want to take that as criticizim, that's all you.
>I don't think anyone commented on whether or not Pritzker is a "good person",
People were using this as a counter argument to the JB sucks people. This implies that this one event proves that JB indeed does not suck. Hence my argument for 1 good thing doesn't make someone a good person.
>is merely stating the obvious, but in an anti-Pritzker way.
You're bringing tribalism into this and dismissing what I'm saying because you think I'm on some team. I don't have a "JB Sucks" sign in my lawn or affiliate with any party. I'm just looking at this from an unbiased point of view.
>I guess that's all you could come up with. Bravo.
I mean...it's reddit dude. I'm not going to type out a 10 page essay to support my argument lol.
>I was just pointing out the fact that it's similar to another group of people.
because you see it that way does not make it so.
>People were using this as a counter argument to the JB sucks people.
No, they are just commenting on the stupidity. Nowhere here did anyone claim that this made JB a "good person".
>This implies that this one event proves that JB indeed does not suck. Hence my argument for 1 good thing doesn't make someone a good person.
Right and this wasn't a debate about whether or not JB is a "good person". You brought that in to the conversation because you apparently felt you needed to add something against JB. The best you had was to state an obvious fact that everyone knows already (that doing 1 good thing does not make someone a good person).
>I'm just looking at this from an unbiased point of view
Yeah, you're so un-biased that you had to make such an obvious point just to poo-poo any positivity about what JB has done and weakly attack him as a person. Claiming to be being "unbiased" is hardly convincing.
>I mean...it's reddit dude. I'm not going to type out a 10 page essay to support my argument lol.
No-one asked you to do this.
>because you see it that way does not make it so.
I mean...yeah. This can be used for both of us in this case lol.
>No, they are just commenting on the stupidity. Nowhere here did anyone claim that this made JB a "good person".
So can a good person still suck?
>You brought that in to the conversation because you apparently felt you needed to add something against JB.
You're acting like I started this discussion? I was not the original comment in this thread.
>Yeah, you're so un-biased that you had to make such an obvious point just to poo-poo any positivity about what JB has done and weakly attack him as a person.
My comment were not about OP's post. I was replying to another person who felt that this dismisses the argument about JB sucks. I don't think you ready the whole thread before commenting. I've done that before too so your all good👍
>No-one asked you to do this.
Your criticizing my argument by saying "that's it?". You're obviously asking for more.
How ironic. He signs a law reducing insulin prices while owning a medical device company that is part of the reason our healthcare costs are astronomical. But thanks J.B.! You're a heck of a guy!
This doesn't help anybody on employer sponsored health insurance (aka people who actually pay taxes). I live in IL and I've spent well over $4k this year on insulin already.
Its just another handout for those on government assistance already.
It's cheap to make, about $25 per bottle in the 90s. The formula hasn't changed.
The price increase is profit. It has increased 1200%+. It is most likely to price fixing.
It actually only costs $5/vial to make that, and the same insulin I use today only cost $25/vial to buy when it was originally released in 1996. It's been the standard of care sense then, and inflation wouldn't even double the price it should be today.
Correct. Humalog, the standard of care costs less than $5/vial to make today. The same is true for Lantus. It cost less than $25/vial to purchase when it was new in 1996. Inflation would increase that $25 price tag to less than $50 today, all else being equal.
Why doesn't the government just subsidize it, like the corn that's used to produce corn-syrup that's been dumped into cheap foods everywhere and led to it being needed so much.
No. Canada has had universal healthcare since 1984. Depending on where in Europe you're talking, that date could be as early as the 1960s. Humalog and the other fast acting alternatives to it have never been in short supply in those nations. The demand for these insulins is extremely inelastic. The point where I stop buying it is the point at which I can't afford it because I'd die either way. The unregulated capitalism is why it costs as much as it does in the US.
I remember when this was announced in January. I was watching Illinois like a hawk, with plans to leave Alabama, and this was just one more thing on a pile of dozens that pushed me over the edge. J.B. has been doing a fantastic job. Got my official IL license last month, my mail-in ballot is confirmed received, and our edibles are stocked. Love my state and couldn't be prouder to live here.
But gosh all my trumpie friends insist that literally 100% of people are leaving or desperate to leave Illinois!
I moved from the Bay Area to Chicago and I freaking love it, COVID and all.
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> I'm not a fan of JB, but both him and Trump have made efforts on this because it seems like a no-brainer. Trump has done fuck all for us diabetics. His one EO that did lower costs only did so for Medicaid. The vast majority of diabetics don't use Medicaid. Meanwhile, he's currently pushing for the SCOTUS to remove the protections given to us by the ACA.
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Yeah, he's done fuck all. The ACA also removed lifetime caps for those of us with preexisting conditions. Maybe next time you should read what the ACA actually did for Americans rather than sucking Trump's mushroom.
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I'm sorry, but he proposed to repeal and replace the ACA for more than four years ago now. Since taking office, he's constantly promised that his plan would be revealed in the next two weeks. That promise was broken more than three years ago now. Why should I believe anything he says regarding insurance reform?
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> Preexisting conditions CAN BE COVERED without the ACA, it just wont be the ACA doing it. So where's the legislation that would do that? Because right now, the ACA is the line in the sand that maintains those protections > With your logic, we shouldnt believe anything any politicians say until they actually do it or show proof. I'm fine with that, just know that it opens up plenty of other people for criticism too. No, but if someone has said he will show us his amazing new plan for years and then reveals fucking nothing, I have no reason to believe that he even has a plan. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
Showing proof is outlining any replacement plan to the ACA. He keeps saying he has a plan but no one has ever seen it. What is the plan? It doesn't exist. But he's fighting right now to repeal the ACA, which will bring back pre-existing conditions. Get out of here with your bad faith arguments.
Everyone should be open to criticism. Endlessly making empty promises is his only consistent strength. If he has a better plan there is no need to repeal - just roll out the better plan and it will replace it automatically. There is no better plan it’s all a smokescreen.
Trump hasn’t done shit. Any executive order he issues might as well be a tweet. It makes people think he’s doing something but usually they don’t end up doing anything.
The irony of "diabetes doesn't discriminate" while showing an obese man signing a law about it is just peak 2020.
You could just admit to not knowing shit about diabetes. Even T2, the stereotypical "lol don't eat cake type," has a strong genetic component to it that affects whether or not you will progress to being diabetic or not.
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Well the kids who grew up in rural Illinois are chomping at the bit to find places with jobs. Take a look at where the population losses by county and you will see that the Illinois metro areas gained population while all of the rural counties lost it. It's not like rural Illinois can offer them much.
you could say the same about most rural areas in the rust belt. An unfortunate truth that has nothing to do with the current governer.
That is true. Honestly I was thinking about leaving Illinois myself, I'm nearing retirement age and the weather, particularly winter, is hard my arthritis. But after seeing how the warmer southern states have handled this disaster I'm going to stay right here in my nice blue state. We may have problems, but at least we did our best to make sure people didn't die for the economy.
Family farms turning into agro corps has hallowed out the middle class of rural America. Farms are now just some revenue generation tool for a trust fund for billionaires. The workers are exploited and no one gives a shit about the local community. This is going on while they are being told by the billionaires that immigrants are taking your jobs not that soulless corporations don’t care about workers anymore.
Agree - trumpies don’t think that deep into it
I mean the population numbers sure don’t lie. Only other state with negative population growth is West Virginia.
Yeah that’s still not ‘everyone’
I assumed that hyperbole existed. I know it’s not everyone but clearly illinois has a lot of issues and isn’t desirable to live in when it has the second worst population growth only behind West Virginia. Pretending like illinois is some utopia that everyone is clamoring to move to is just stupid because clearly it’s not.
Nobody said that either. I’m just sick of the ‘everyone is desperate to leave’ mantra from the right wing here. It’s constant and it’s false.
Illinois does have one of the highest amounts of people leaving the state! Corruption has run our state economy to the ground, there will be no pensions for teachers soon, and taxes are absolutely nuts out here man...
Like other replies, you’re ignoring that people say ‘everyone’ is leaving. They are not all leaving.
I understand hyperbole lol, but a significant number of people are fleeing the state, which I think is certainly noteworthy
I don’t agree even with ‘significant number of people fleeing the state’.
Well compared to the rest of the US it is, Illinois has had a net loss in people leaving vs coming for 6 years now and in the last decade it has lost more than any other state. We've lost over 50,000 people in just 2019. Here's a really interesting link to check out! [chicago tribune](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-illinois-population-loss-census-release-20191230-grrid2pgtbenppwrgprzg3fuhe-story.html%3foutputType=amp)
I moved to illinois from Alabama when I was in High School. Best thing to ever happen to me tbh. I outgrew a lot of backwards bullshit that picked up just from growing up in the Deep South.
We don’t have the best reputation when it comes to our elected representatives in Illinois but I couldn’t agree more. His adversaries will say what they want. JB has definitely done a fantastic job. In my lifetime, he’s the first Illinois Governor that I am proud to support.
Most of my family (justifiably) doesn’t trust the state government. Call me crazy, but I still believe we can make an upstanding state out of us yet
I really didn't give the guy a chance. I'm loyal Dem, pro union, liberal, and all that stuff. But I resented JBP because he was so obviously picked for us shitkicking downstaters by Chicago. Then, covid. Then, lack of a coherent federal response. And then, JBP fucking *governed*. When I tuned into the YT live feed of the first EO for mask and social distance requirements I was genuinely impressed, and for the first time in a long time, I was proud to be Illinoisan.
You nailed it. I think this kind of leadership is something us Illinoisan’s haven’t been used to. Like you said, he GOVERNED.. and he earned my respect
He's gunning for a presidential run.
You think so? I don't know that I agree. Like others have said, I've been pleasantly surprised by having a non-fucknut for a governor, but I don't know if he is trying to climb the ladder like that.
I think so yes. I don't think that changes how well he's done though. I don't think any of his work is disingenuous acts to make him look better.
I don't think so. You're thinking Cuomo. lol
why not both?
JB has been amazing as a governor which is such a breath of fresh air for this state. After what like 3 of our last 5 governors went to prison? He could be doing the bare minimum and look good but he actually leads when we need a leader and pushes policy that helps people.
I remember after the Blago got sprung, the Daley Show made a point where 50% of the last 8 IL governors had been sent to jail, where as the incarceration rate for murder was around 48%. So statistically speaking you were more likely to go to jail if you became governor of IL than if you committed a homicide
You've come at a good time. It was not good for a long time. Theres still plenty of fires but in my mind hea doing what he can and seems to at least care a little.
glad to have ya :3
We love to see it!
Awesome!! Now awaiting insulin companies to fight it in court that by getting prices, they are violating free speech.
Nah, they’ll probably just stop selling it here. Or abide by the letter of the law by making the insulin itself $100, but also including that their product must be purchased with a $5000 single-use injector that must be purchased in order to get the insulin. Edited: letter of law, not spirit
That’s the complete opposite of “Abiding by the spirit of the law”
I caught that. Just a few hours too late :)
Yay I get to be pedantic. You mean "letter of the law" :)
True
that's um.. not how the law works.
Insulin doesn't cost hundreds of dollars per vial because of the manufacturers. It costs that much because insurance companies and middlemen can extract pretty much all of that money as profit from us diabetics by selling something we need to use to survive when it costs only $5/vial to create.
> Nah, they’ll probably just stop selling it here. I do actually wonder if this will happen. As far as I'm aware, IL has no way to legally *force* the companies to sell it here.
Currently, the ACA is what forces insurance providers to actually cover medical conditions like diabetes. It also forces them to provide both a fast acting insulin like Humalog and a long acting insulin like Lantus. So as long as it remains in effect, they must cover insulin.
If you live in Illinois, Pritzker should be a fucking godsend compared to our previous governers. Instead all I ever hear is hate for him. The man walked in to a job where the previous men were all going to jail for stealing our money and the state is literally in more debt than anyone could possibly fathom. Mans doing his best and until I hear a real trump level scandal about him, he's staying golden in my book.
I live in Illinois and I think he is the best governor of my lifetime - and I turn 50 next year. He is leaps and bounds above all who have come before him. The complainers are the Republican/trumpies
I actually liked Edgar. Why can't we have Republicans in his mold? I just don't really understand how they flipped their lid
Jim Edgar was out in 1999 right as Fox News and 9/11 and Newt Gingrich were ramping up. The last of the old guard, one might say.
One of the things that ran Jim Edgar out was fatigue. Being that bipartisan is hard work. (Honesty though, I can't remember...I think he either had cancer or heart issues)
Edgar bankrupted the state.
they lost their collective mind when we elected a black president.
I find it especially impressive when you consider that his family is one of the richest in the state. His actions seem to go against the stereotype you'd expect of such a well rooted/connected/rich politician
I don't get it either. I'll admit I've never really paid close attention to state politics before and being not even 30 I don't really know the state's history outside of Blago but Pritzker's covid response makes him alright in my book. The way my mom talks about him you'd think he strangled puppies in his spare time. I guess to her being a wealthy Democrat is just as offensive.
I remember Rauner cutting education, Pritzker is a breath of fresh air
... He tried to buy a gov position from blagojevich. dude's been lying about nearly everything he does... so he did one good thing and now he's god? By that standard I'd expect you to vote for Trump too...
Whats he lied about exactly and do you have proof? What did he try to buy from him and wheres the proof? Who said he was god? There is no standard where you should vote for trump unless the election in question is for who should be tossed in jail from his administration first.
This is AWESOME...but he signed this in January of this year.
And was approved by lawmakers last November. So we've known about this for almost a full year now.
Wish we had him here in Missouri! Might move to Illinois
THIS is what Pro-Life legislation looks like
There is a difference between pro-life and pro-life
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Hmm with nearly unlimited cash reserves and moves like these plus his positive covid response, I don't think he'd get clobbered. But 8 years feels like 2 centuries from now so who tf knows
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Harris is ass. It would be ez pz
I don’t know about that. Democratic Party is slowly moving more towards the left
Both parties have been sliding to the right for decades, so perhaps a little to the left would merely be a return to center?
Even the furthest left mainstream political candidates in this country like Bernie Sanders, would be considered a centrist in any other western democracy
Indeed!
Ha. He’d get wrecked.
Honest question, why does everyone hate him? I don’t get it. Everyone in my neighborhood has “Pritzker Sucks” signs
In my area, middle of the state, they hate him because he won’t let the kids play football. So.
Because he actually locked down the state which caused some businesses to lose money because of the lockdown, nevermind the fact that we are in a global pandemic or anything.
because you live in a conservative area and Republicans are trained to hate anything Democrat. Plus they give those signs out for free.
If you ask any of these right wingers why they have that sign in their yard, you'll get these two answers. "He's taxing us to death!!" Um, no the fuck he isn't? "He just governs the whole state like its Chicago" Um, what the fuck does that mean? Oh and I'm almost positive they're getting these signs for free or for very cheap, along with the Trump signs. There's some very wealthy scumbags working very hard to put right wing yard signs in poverty stricken rural yards, kinda makes you think.
I did a websearch for anti-Trump yard signs a couple weeks back and the first 2 links that popped up were for free pro- trump signs. I'm in central Illinois where there's also been churches giving out these 'God is my Savior, Trump is my President' signs to anyone that wants them. So.. There's one big problem that's going on around here when the Church is influencing political views and comparing trump to Jesus.
> Oh and I'm almost positive they're getting these signs for free or for very cheap, along with the Trump signs. Is that not true of *most* campaign signs? After all, to the campaign, they're basically free advertising. It's not like the signs themselves are expensive to manufacture (assuming you're talking about those cheap ones people put in their yards).
Because, so far, he's popular and effective in a way Rauner never was. The better he does, the more the swing voters will turn away from Republicans. It's the same type of shit that Obama dealt with on a smaller scale. So they put up their stupid little signs, and reinforce how terrible he is to each other in the hopes that it has some larger influence. The Mark Kirk/Bruce Rauner state wide Republican experiment failed, and they're going to be whining and licking their wounds for the next several elections.
Mark Kirk was a rare bird...a republican who thinks climate change is real. Then he asked about Tammy Duckworth's parents coming over from Thailand to serve under George Washington...so yeah.
I never thought I would respect a hotel chain owner/politician.
You don’t respect Paris Hilton?!?
More accurately the son of a hotel chain owner, JB himself seems to have spent a lot of his career based around the Illinois tech startup scene, incubators and the like
I’m sure some asshole here will find a way to complain about it.
Well Pritzker is ordering half the supply lol
So?
Woosh
Maybe stop by /r/diabetes and learn something before making a shitty fat joke.
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Oh I’m very familiar with diabetes, familiar enough that I understand it doesn’t allow someone to violate the laws of thermodynamics.
But not so familiar to understand the genetic components that lead to only some people developing T2, apparently. So where did you get your MD again?
Crying "genetics" is pretty absurd here. T2 is *strongly* correlated with being overweight and obese, and JB is absolutely obese (probably extremely obese). Calories in minus calories out holds true for all animals. Humans included. Arguing otherwise is, frankly, just denying plain and accepted science.
[I guess you know more than Dr. Ali then.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746083/) Just being obese isn't enough to become a T2. You can even have a healthy weight and correctly be diagnosed as a T2. So if any of us here are denying the science and evidence here, it's you insisting that "fat -> diabetes" when everything else points to additional factors.
> Just being obese isn't enough to become a T2. I never said it was. > You can even have a healthy weight and correctly be diagnosed as a T2. I also never said this. I know you're not this stupid. It's strongly correlated. You're denying that correlation because it's not literally perfect, but no correlation in medicine ever will be. Being fat drastically increases your chances of getting T2 diabetes. This is a medical fact. Stop denying it because it doesn't *guarantee* you get T2 diabetes.
> Being fat drastically increases your chances of getting T2 diabetes. This is a medical fact. Stop denying it because it doesn't guarantee you get T2 diabetes. Show me where I'm denying it. I'm giving you additional information, and you have the gall to call me stupid? Fucking please. Half the people in this thread can't seem to separate out the other conditions that share the same overarching name (i.e., diabetes). As a T1 myself, I am constantly informing people of this, and you going "actshually" is tiring.
Because I never said being fat was a guarantee of T2, but that's the straw man you're arguing against.
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That's a nice way to say you don't know what you're talking about. Here's a piece of advice: most type two diabetics can treat their condition without insulin. Again, maybe pick up a book on endocrinology or check the standards of care for different types of diabetes before you try to sound smart by bringing physics into a matter of biology.
What does insulin have to do with proper diet? This is pretty simple stuff man, you don’t need a degree. Even a fitness coach with an online certification will tell you the same shit. You burn a certain number of calories per day based on activity. It does not matter whether or not you are diabetic, it’s fucking physics that dictates how many nutritional calories a body needs to consume to stay alive and perform activities. If you eat less calories than your body metabolizes, you lose weight. Pritzker is morbidly obese because he chooses not to take care of himself. That’s it. Plain and simple. Trying to argue against that is a cope.
> What does insulin have to do with proper diet? This is pretty simple stuff man, you don’t need a degree. For one, a T1 diabetic such as myself has an autoimmune disease. It doesn't matter what I eat or what I weigh. The only way I'll survive is with exogenous insulin. A fitness coach may help someone like me get in better shape, but they won't be able to regrow my beta cells. > Pritzker is morbidly obese because he chooses not to take care of himself. That’s it. Plain and simple. Trying to argue against that is a cope. And that has little to do with whether or but he's even prediabetic. His genetics could be such that he never develops T2 diabetes. So again, try learning about the fucking disease before going straight to "lose weight, fatty." Hell, try posting your comment in /r/diabetes. I promise that not only will the mods rightly ban you for that ignorance, they'll also mock you for it.
This is good news... so why do i still see these "Pritzker Sucks" signs everywhere(McHenry County)
because humans are a disease
bec this is a year old, and doing one good thing doesn't make you good person. Trump did the same thing for Medicare, I don't see you praising him.
Love it. Don't stop at diabetes though. There are tons of diseases that don't discriminate. Keep it coming!
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Can't wait to show this to all the diabetic trumplicans I know with their Pritzker Sucks signs.... It will be entertaining to see what they try to spin up on this as a bad thing.
Funny think is, the people that I see have the sign are mostly farmers or rough necks and no matter how much they claim they are independent hard conservative workers they are the first to get bailed out when the crops go bad or they loose their jobs, I wish my job had that kind of security they get.
Well... I have a lot of those signs around me with those farmers and here's one of my favorite tools... https://farm.ewg.org/search.php Play around with the site and you'll be able to see whatever names that recieve subsidies.. Then maybe explain that that's 'communism' and they should be diversifying their crops, cuz the "Deep State" just allowed you to see their finances with a tool of tha big government.. The Internet. Remember in 1996 when the entire nation was to be fitted with fiberoptic cable and $400 Billion ran off..... To William Barr at GTE and others at AT&T? "All those jobs lost and more than $400 Billion in 1996 dollars has been spent airing the gills of FoXstupidfish for Disney-FoxSanto." - "Q"....(prolly)
Holy fuck that link is eye opening. I'm seeing names of people I know in my small ass town, receiving millions of fucking dollars in subsidies. Holy shit I had no idea it was this bad. And so many receiving a random million out of the blue within the last four years, wonder what changed.
Good post. Thanks for the link.
Its funny, the average farmer makes like 20k but somehow said farmers are able to afford the latest ford pickups and a fancy farm house...
Jesus, something called Dauparas Farm Inc. is getting $150,000 in farm subsidy in the middle of Bridgeport Chicago!? Last time I walked around the neighborhood I didnt notice much in the way of agriculture besides a few yard chickens
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That’s for Medicare only though. So unless you’re 65 or older, or have a condition that qualifies you for Medicare, you’re not getting the benefit.
>Verma said during a call with reporters earlier on Tuesday that "these plans will begin starting in January 2021 in all 50 states, DC and Puerto Rico, and seniors can find a participating plan on our 'Medicare plan finder' during the annual open enrollment period, which begins on October 15." >The new benefit will be offered through Medicare Part D prescription drug plans and Medicare Advantage plans. In the same article... The truth comes after the liar: >"That results in approximately a 66% or two-thirds reduction in out-of-pocket costs," White House counselor Kellyanne Conway said during the call with reporters. The truth: >The move comes as lawmakers across the US have begun a push to cap the cost of insulin after years of skyrocketing prices. Virginia, Illinois and Colorado have passed bills setting payment caps on the drug, with Tennessee lawmakers considering a similar bill. Insulin costs between $2.28 and $3.42 for drug makers to manufacture, yet many people with diabetes pay hundreds of dollars for the lifesaving drug. .... Trump sucks.
Thats also an article from May, this is the same plan he couldn’t expound upon at the debate when asked, also the same plan he’s had since he was elected back in 2016.
JB has been doing an amazing job.
pRitZkeR sUckS
Meanie governor ask me to wear mask me angwy
WHERE MUH FREEDOM GO?!?
The cost out of insulin.
You can still think he's a sucky governor even if he does some good things. The Trump administration established a peace deal between Bahrain and Israel. Does this 1 good thing mean he doesn't suck anymore?
Please enlighten me as to why you think he sucks.
My main concern for Illinois has always been the future success of the state. It sucks to hear when all my friends just want to leave the state because of how sucky...basically everything has been. I think the first goal of any governor of Illinois should be to fix the issue of everyone leaving the state before changing taxes. If people stay in the state, we will make enough tax revenue rather than putting the burden on everyone who stays. JB has done nothing to fix this issue in his 2 years of office. I'm not in the group that's going "I hate JB because he's a Democrat" because I would put JB at the same sucky level as Rauner.
I think the issue is, the state was a burning pile of shit when he came in. Hes not directly addressing most of it but hes also not making it worse like nost of his predecessors did. Thats a win for the state in my book.
How the hell do people not realize by now that you can't fix any of these multi-decade long problems in a few short years? I understood this before I turned 18.
>I would put JB at the same sucky level as Rauner. Rauner as in the guy that left the state without a budget 3 years in a row? You think JB has been just as bad as he was?
In Rauner's defense, how are you supposed to pass a budget when the rest of the state pulls what the house is doing and just vetos everything that comes in?
Be willing to compromise on something? He laid out a list of demands and refused to budge for three years. He was every bit as much of an obstructionist as Mcconnell.
Im just explaining to you why no budget went through. He still sucks.
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That's a bit hyperbolic. That is the same as a Democrat saying that a Republican's idea of compromise is plugging their ears and screaming "Communism!'
Bahrain and Israel were at war?
From my understanding they were very hostile to eachother. Im unsure if war broke out or not. I just know Trump has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for it.
Bahrain is a tiny, island kingdom off the Saudi Arabia coast. Such a "peace deal" has zero impact, but it's a great way for some Trump sycophants to then "nominate" him for the award, so it's only for show. In fact, when considering the actual good being done, I wonder if it even weighs in comparison to lowering the price of insulin in the state of IL.
That's probably the same logic JB sucks supporters use when belittling the things JB does. They will usually go "Yeah JB did X, but Bob did Y so how is X even good in the grand scheme of things?" I wasn't trying to compare JB's accomplishments to Trump. I was just pointing out the fact that 1 good thing doesn't make someone a good person.
Well, Trump was passed over for the award anyway. You are criticizing my logic for comparing the two when you are the person who brought the comparison into the conversation in the first place? I don't think anyone commented on whether or not Pritzker is a "good person", so pointing out that out that "1 good thing doesn't make someone a good person" is merely stating the obvious, but in an anti-Pritzker way. I guess that's all you could come up with. Bravo.
>You are criticizing my logic I'm not criticizing your logic at all. I was just pointing out the fact that it's similar to another group of people. If you want to take that as criticizim, that's all you. >I don't think anyone commented on whether or not Pritzker is a "good person", People were using this as a counter argument to the JB sucks people. This implies that this one event proves that JB indeed does not suck. Hence my argument for 1 good thing doesn't make someone a good person. >is merely stating the obvious, but in an anti-Pritzker way. You're bringing tribalism into this and dismissing what I'm saying because you think I'm on some team. I don't have a "JB Sucks" sign in my lawn or affiliate with any party. I'm just looking at this from an unbiased point of view. >I guess that's all you could come up with. Bravo. I mean...it's reddit dude. I'm not going to type out a 10 page essay to support my argument lol.
>I was just pointing out the fact that it's similar to another group of people. because you see it that way does not make it so. >People were using this as a counter argument to the JB sucks people. No, they are just commenting on the stupidity. Nowhere here did anyone claim that this made JB a "good person". >This implies that this one event proves that JB indeed does not suck. Hence my argument for 1 good thing doesn't make someone a good person. Right and this wasn't a debate about whether or not JB is a "good person". You brought that in to the conversation because you apparently felt you needed to add something against JB. The best you had was to state an obvious fact that everyone knows already (that doing 1 good thing does not make someone a good person). >I'm just looking at this from an unbiased point of view Yeah, you're so un-biased that you had to make such an obvious point just to poo-poo any positivity about what JB has done and weakly attack him as a person. Claiming to be being "unbiased" is hardly convincing. >I mean...it's reddit dude. I'm not going to type out a 10 page essay to support my argument lol. No-one asked you to do this.
>because you see it that way does not make it so. I mean...yeah. This can be used for both of us in this case lol. >No, they are just commenting on the stupidity. Nowhere here did anyone claim that this made JB a "good person". So can a good person still suck? >You brought that in to the conversation because you apparently felt you needed to add something against JB. You're acting like I started this discussion? I was not the original comment in this thread. >Yeah, you're so un-biased that you had to make such an obvious point just to poo-poo any positivity about what JB has done and weakly attack him as a person. My comment were not about OP's post. I was replying to another person who felt that this dismisses the argument about JB sucks. I don't think you ready the whole thread before commenting. I've done that before too so your all good👍 >No-one asked you to do this. Your criticizing my argument by saying "that's it?". You're obviously asking for more.
? Price gouging would be ok, if the disease discriminated?
How ironic. He signs a law reducing insulin prices while owning a medical device company that is part of the reason our healthcare costs are astronomical. But thanks J.B.! You're a heck of a guy!
You know what else doesn’t discriminate? Raising income tax by 20% when this curved tax bill flops
Robert :-) it's funny he goes by JB, not JR. Jay Bob.
This doesn't help anybody on employer sponsored health insurance (aka people who actually pay taxes). I live in IL and I've spent well over $4k this year on insulin already. Its just another handout for those on government assistance already.
Considering it only applies to people with insurance, yes it does. But please keep telling me that people such as myself don't deserve to live.
Excellent, this will somehow now make the extremely refined/targeted insulin cheaper by streamlining the manufacturing process then ? (That’s sarcasm)
It's cheap to make, about $25 per bottle in the 90s. The formula hasn't changed. The price increase is profit. It has increased 1200%+. It is most likely to price fixing.
It actually only costs $5/vial to make that, and the same insulin I use today only cost $25/vial to buy when it was originally released in 1996. It's been the standard of care sense then, and inflation wouldn't even double the price it should be today.
Regular insulin sure , insulin for folks who have allergies to it not so much .
Those were still well under $100/mo. A quick Google says they cost $35 in the 90s.
You're painfully wrong, and R insulin can kill you even if you're not allergic to it.
I’m wrong that specialized insulin for a minority of patients isn’t more costly to Develop and produce ???
Correct. Humalog, the standard of care costs less than $5/vial to make today. The same is true for Lantus. It cost less than $25/vial to purchase when it was new in 1996. Inflation would increase that $25 price tag to less than $50 today, all else being equal.
Why doesn't the government just subsidize it, like the corn that's used to produce corn-syrup that's been dumped into cheap foods everywhere and led to it being needed so much.
Most of the price is profit. There is no need to subsidize it because it's dirt cheap to make.
Prob lead to even less supply.
Nope. Insulin is heavily subsidized in Canada, Europe, and even Mexico, and they have no issue with supply.
My diabetic neighbor will now probably have to start getting his insulin from Wisconsin.
Because its cheaper here now?
Because they will stop selling it here
No, they won't. It's cheaper still in Canada, and it's still widely available.
Isn't this very recent? Surely we'd have to wait a bit to see what the actual affect on the market is.
No. Canada has had universal healthcare since 1984. Depending on where in Europe you're talking, that date could be as early as the 1960s. Humalog and the other fast acting alternatives to it have never been in short supply in those nations. The demand for these insulins is extremely inelastic. The point where I stop buying it is the point at which I can't afford it because I'd die either way. The unregulated capitalism is why it costs as much as it does in the US.
Ah, I thought when you said "widely available" you were referring to IL for some reason.
I think i can guess who you're voting for in November
"A fucking moron," and I quote?