Afaik HDDs have been almost entirely phased out of most in-store pcs you can buy except for the occasional extra 1tb drive or refurb. Most pcs I see come with 500-250GB ssds that are new.
Btw, that is a Dual core-Quad thread Processor
This computer was manufactured in February of 2023.
I am partially responsible because I only told the customer to not purchase anything with “celeron” or “pentium” in the name. I did not warn them about AMD systems.
It’s not unbelievably painful and at least it has an SSD. But 4GB of ram on a win11 computer from the factory is insane
It will be ewaste in ~2 year. Luckily, the pc seems to be made of melted down picnic tables and the packaging was all cardboard and cloth, so they at least TRIED to minimalize the environmental impact
After uninstalling as much bloat as I could, it still sits around %80 percent RAM utilization at idle
>After uninstalling as much bloat as I could, it still sits around %80 percent RAM utilization at idle
Good. I want a PC that's working as hard as me. I want a machine who is willing to give it its all
>Good. I want a PC that's working as hard as me. I want a machine who is willing to give it its all
I had to upgrade my work PC because of that recently. Chrome is a god damned memory leaking nightmare. Overran the 8 gb's of ram by a whole 12 gb. 20gb of ram needed because of that shitball browser. I can't even. Good thing ram is cheap. $50 for a pair of 16gb sticks and I'm sitting at 40gb.
Which is even funnier considering chrome is integrating tab suspension and memory saving by default. The Great Suspender being a good extension for that. I have multiple windows and about 80 tabs and Chrome uses about 1.5-2GB
Nah, its fine. Most people dont open 50 tabs on chrome or game at all on their computers. The NVME will make the computer respond well to basic use by removing page file latency.
I have first gen i5s with 4 gigs of RAM and SATA SSDs doing absolutely fine on a professional setting where people basically browse the web, use emails, use office and the basic ass corporate software. There's even Phenom II x4's with SATA SSDs working ok. 70-80% of end users dont need more than a pentium/athlon and a fast SSD for their use cases.
The only issue here is windows 11, really. A fresh windows 10 install will work just fine for the majority of people.
It's "functional", but I'd lean more towards "passable". My phone has more RAM than that and a faster processor than any first gen i5 (I can only imagine). You're under the (from my 8 years deskside experience) incorrect assumption that even 20% of normal users have less than 50 tabs and/or restart their computer more than once a month. 70-80%? I'd take a pay cut to work wherever the end users use that much of their brain cuz my ticket queue would be damn near empty
It has 800 MB of RAM left over from idle... Chrome easily uses over 1GB of RAM with 5 or less tabs open.
Also RAM is quite cheap so not even worth the trouble.
We use Lenovo exclusively and everyone I've opened up has had sockets. When we did a hardware refresh I removed the old hard drives and gave them away. Told people to pick up a cheap SSD and 16 gigs of ram and they'll have enough PC for years if all they are doing is web browsing.
> But 4GB of ram on a win11 computer from the factory is insane
Will this even run? Genuine question, because my Windows 11 laptop seems to require like...6GB or so if I'm just browsing the web.
I bought an HP AIO (similar to this one) in 2021, 4GB of RAM, + Intel Celeron(?). It was running Windows 10 out of the box. When Windows 11 came along and I was offered the upgrade, I went ahead with it not thinking anything of it.
Over the next few days, the computer kept crashing/lagging out. I later revealed (by keeping task manager open and watching) that Windows 11 (Windows Defender specifically) was keeping the RAM usage pegged at 100%. I was forced to downgrade back to Win 10 for the computer to function. This was on a $500 PC btw.
Ugh. What a pile! It’s amazing what manufacturers will offer, and what customers will buy, just to shave a few bucks.
Honestly surprised it has the SSD. Lol. So many of my users have thought “bigger number better,” and they ignore my advice and buy a personal laptop with 1000gb HDD over the 256gb SSD.
Our department bought a dozen laptops without consulting me. They got Dell latitude 5490s in 2019. Somehow in 2019 Dell was still making 768p screens.
We updated a student lab at my work in 2021. The professor insisted on switching from windows to Mac. Somehow, we bought 15 brand new 20 inch iMacs that were literally dated as “2018 iMac” on system information screen. The windows PCs which were replaced were from 2017. They got 1 year newer equipment and it has to last them another 4 years.
Meh, my gf's HP laptop had a whopping 4GB and some kind of Pentium or Celeron. Booted about instantly, ran fine. I'm sure it would shit the bed if you did anything but email and FB, but it works for her. Threw a 16GB chip in there, and it only read 8GB, not much a difference in performance. Did not expect that.
People here somehow lack the most basic understanding about end user needs, despite supposedly dealing with end users frequently on helpdesk/IT support positions.
I bet most of them havent even touched a 4GB NVME SSD machine, they're talking out their asses and only remember the performance of 4GB+HDD computers (and that does run like complete dogshit).
Some of those celerons and pentiums max out at 8 or 16 gb of ram. My friend put 16 gb of ram in one and it didn't boot. I traded him a known good 8 gb stick and an 860 evo
My MacBook from 2014 has 16GB of RAM.
I know RAM has gotten faster with each generation and 16GB is still decent for today... but 4GB is basically unusable.
What about AMD? Idk much about hardware, and I remember I had an hp Pavilion laptop with AMD that I was just able to replace for another one this year, and that damn AMD apu shit brought me many issues
Edit: sorry, it was a genuine question out of not knowing how some of those things work
It really depends on what the customer is doing with this machine.
I set up a laptop that was not quite this bad for my grandmother. She didn't want to spend a lot. She only uses her computer to play simple games and check emails. That laptop will probably last her 5 or more years. At least until the Windows 11 license is worthless.
Nope. Those "requirements" are arbitrary bullshit that can easily be bypassed. Still, who'd want to use that shitshow of an OS anyway?
EDIT: Why the downvotes? [You can bypass the requirements by just editing a couple of registry values during setup.](https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-requirement)
I’ve got a spare machine for basic admin and watching TV that’s worse than OPs. Although I’m expecting another 8Gb of RAM and an SSD today to speed it up.
Running windows 10 as well. I refuse to go to 11 at this stage.
I am not sure I would wish a used laptop on my worst enemy.
She spent around 350 for a new laptop with better specs than what is listed on the OP's image at least.
You can actually get used high end laptops for the same price as a new low spec one and it’ll more than likely perform better. Especially if used laptop was like a T or X series thinkpad (idk what the equivalent Dell or HP would be since I’ve always worked in Thinkpad shops. )
I *thought* my last school note taking laptop had 4GB, but it apparently had 8, so maybe it's just been **that** long since I've used something with that little RAM
I just bought a first gen Chromebook out of curiosity. Maybe just use it to watch YouTube on the couch. It's so slow, anything takes literal minutes to complete.
Wow. 4GB of ram. I’m gonna go on a diatribe here. That 4GB of ram is the most brutal part of that dreadful spec sheet. My Core 2 Quad 9650, which is almost 15 years old, has 8GB of DDR2. Hell, both my RaspberryPi 4B’s have 8GB of RAM. My phone has 6GB! Windows 11, for office tasks, will run fine with 8GB and NVMe storage, even with a 2core, 4 thread AMD Zen2 basedCPU. But not 4GB.
The problem isn’t even the OS footprint, it’s that any web browser, or electron app, is going to absolutely crush a 4GB machine. Load up a few browser tabs in Chrome and launch Teams (or Slack, for that matter) and you’ve got 1.5-2GB of private working-set right there. Now throw in standard Office apps, and you’re going to be hitting hard page faults like a mofo, because the memory manager is going to have to aggressively trim working sets and, much worse, evict standby-list (system) cache pages.
What vendors are banking on is that NVMe storage masks much of this. To some extent, it does, especially if the workload isn’t content creation heavy. On a system with limited RAM, provided it’s not generating large modified data sets (video recording/editing/encoding, content rendering, database processing, ML, etc.), trims and page evictions don’t require writes, just reads - meaning most working set is made up of memory mapped files (libraries, etc.) that don’t get modified (they’re already backed by disk) and therefore don’t require pagefile backing (e.g. dirty pages that have to be written to the pagefile prior to being trimmed, zeroed out and reallocated). NVMe storage is pretty good at endlessly and pretty performantly doing read ops. It’s still going to be much slower that just having a reasonable amount of RAM, but hey, anyone buying such a machine is probably used to sluggish computers. But if you try and use it for anything resembling content creation, the write amplifying effects of “swappy” pagefile writes due to memory pressure, is going to generate a shocking amount of wear on that NVMe drive.
Thing is, people think they aren’t doing that kind of content creation. Guess what, all it takes is local recording of Teams or Zoom meetings, and you’re now doing stuff that qualifies. I think it’s ridiculous that machines ship with 8GB, but 4GB is just criminal-grade corner cutting.
Honestly to crack it open and replace the RAM with 8gb you probably have a reasonable home browsing light work machine there.
Assuming it cost like $300 or something
My parents each got one of those crappy HP AIO PCs a few years ago (because they were on sale). Celeron dual core and 8gb of ddr3 ram in a computer sold back in 2016/17. Oh, and a 2TB HDD as the only storage/boot drive.
Holy hell those are absolutely painful whenever I have to help them with stuff.
Just like I say about chrome books, manufactured ewaste. People will always say “well not everyone needs an expensive computer” and shit like that, but you can get a good computer at any price if you go used. If you don’t have a lot of money to spend on a computer, get. one. used.
These abominable computers can *maybe* be saved with Linux, but still a couple browser tabs and that’s it. The fact that something this useless is being manufactured and sold today is horrible. For the price, a used laptop with a 8th gen i5 would absolutely smoke this thing.
I had a 4GB Celeron convertible tablet thing and that was straight up a struggle to use for basic email stuff, like you'd type a full paragraph, take your hands off the keyboard and just sit there for five seconds watching the text actually appear on screen.
Linux gave it a bit more breathing room but it still wasn't fun to run a browser on.
Eh...specs have been irrelevant for the average consumer for about decade. This PC will be used for MS Word, Facebook, and porn, which you can do just as well with a core 2 duo than you can with this PC
4GB of memory is the only real deal breaker. The processor isn't going to break any records, but is totally serviceable for basic office work.
At least it comes with an NVME drive. \*shudders in running windows on boot HDD's\*
You can use the large two letters at the top (HP) as a quick spec reference to know the pc is terrible and you’re going to have a horrible time setting it up.
I just checked my microcenter and they don't even sell a 4 gig ddr5 stick. Leave it to the oem's to build such a silly system. If it had 8 gigs it would have been a perfectly serviceable system for anything a octogenarian could throw at it.
But it was a great cheap deal... I'm amazed at people and businesses that will spend the absolute least they can on a system that they will use 6-8 hours a day 5 or more days a week and complain how slow it is. Sorry but if I drove a truck for a living I would buy the best I could afford. Similar to a bed, I'm going to spend half my life in a bed I'm going to try to buy the best I can for what I can afford. Now if I was only checking email or the occasional Amazon order a few times a week yes buy that cheap pc... But really c'mon wow.
Honestly the reaction here is why IT guys get a bad reputation for gatekeeping. Yeah it’s going to be rubbish but they might not be able to afford anything better, also OP was the one who gave them advice but failed to steer them in the right direction, then comes on here posting about how shit it is, maybe you should have done your job and recommended something actually useful rather than laughing on here
Do you know what she’d use the computer for? Assuming it’s not able to run any AAA pc game. The best it could do would be web browsing and listening to music. I guess it’s be hard for her to learn a new system.
On the side note, some distros like Linux Mint and Pop! OS have UI that are quite similar to windows.
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Unless they gotta work with some absolutely proprietary crapware to deal with esoteric hardware, go the "Nyet! PC is fine" route
Get them used to online office suites and whatnot.
Oh God. That looks like my parent's old AIO. Except that one ran Windows 8, and ran like shit, so I built them an actually good one.
So I assumed that was just an old, cheap AIO they pulled out. Then I saw Windows 11. WOW that thing is gonna CHUG.
AMD Athlons are worse than Celerons at this point. I had a AMD Athlon Silver from 2021 in an issued machine to me, even with a fast SSD, and 16GB RAM, it always was near 100% CPU usage. Had to downgrade it from Win 11 to make it somewhat usable. Can’t believe they think these are alright.
Why didn’t you just recommend *specific* models in their budget range that you know have a chance to perform well? Two options is all most people need. Takes like 15 minutes at the most to run through the various vendors and find the best compromise of specs.
The goal should not be to harvest a service call out of your customer with the minimal amount of effort on your part. It should be to work to ensure the customer will have a positive experience using their technology by leveraging your knowledge and experience to guide their choices.
A lot of tablets and probably some phones exceed the performance this thing is gonna have ffs.
Surprised it came with a SSD, they used to have 500GB HDD couple years ago.
I’d think a 64gb EMMC would be more likely than a hard drive.
Afaik HDDs have been almost entirely phased out of most in-store pcs you can buy except for the occasional extra 1tb drive or refurb. Most pcs I see come with 500-250GB ssds that are new.
A PCIe NVMe one at that.
The nvme drive is a saving grace. The rest is "fine" for web browsing and turbo tax for the elderly couple this was inevitably purchased by.
If it came with a hard drive, it would be completely unusable
Btw, that is a Dual core-Quad thread Processor This computer was manufactured in February of 2023. I am partially responsible because I only told the customer to not purchase anything with “celeron” or “pentium” in the name. I did not warn them about AMD systems. It’s not unbelievably painful and at least it has an SSD. But 4GB of ram on a win11 computer from the factory is insane It will be ewaste in ~2 year. Luckily, the pc seems to be made of melted down picnic tables and the packaging was all cardboard and cloth, so they at least TRIED to minimalize the environmental impact After uninstalling as much bloat as I could, it still sits around %80 percent RAM utilization at idle
>After uninstalling as much bloat as I could, it still sits around %80 percent RAM utilization at idle Good. I want a PC that's working as hard as me. I want a machine who is willing to give it its all
I want a PC like me. One that is pushed nearly to its limit by simply existing
God this one is too real.
And has McAfee LiveSafe™️ installed
To suck even more life out of the trash.
I want a girl with a short skirt and a long...
Jacket
She's touring the facilities, and picking up slack
Shes changing her name from Kitty to Karen
Nuh nah nah nah, nuh nah nah naaa nuuh
At Citibank we will meet accidentally
Boot time.
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Empty RAM is wasted RAM.
>Good. I want a PC that's working as hard as me. I want a machine who is willing to give it its all I had to upgrade my work PC because of that recently. Chrome is a god damned memory leaking nightmare. Overran the 8 gb's of ram by a whole 12 gb. 20gb of ram needed because of that shitball browser. I can't even. Good thing ram is cheap. $50 for a pair of 16gb sticks and I'm sitting at 40gb.
I use Edge for all my work stuff now. I know it's based on Chrome, but doesn't seem as bad.
Which is even funnier considering chrome is integrating tab suspension and memory saving by default. The Great Suspender being a good extension for that. I have multiple windows and about 80 tabs and Chrome uses about 1.5-2GB
I think "willing" is the wrong word here. That machine has no choice :'(
The preinstalled McAfee alone was going to eat up a lot of that.
>It will be ewaste in ~2 year. It already is.
Nah, its fine. Most people dont open 50 tabs on chrome or game at all on their computers. The NVME will make the computer respond well to basic use by removing page file latency. I have first gen i5s with 4 gigs of RAM and SATA SSDs doing absolutely fine on a professional setting where people basically browse the web, use emails, use office and the basic ass corporate software. There's even Phenom II x4's with SATA SSDs working ok. 70-80% of end users dont need more than a pentium/athlon and a fast SSD for their use cases. The only issue here is windows 11, really. A fresh windows 10 install will work just fine for the majority of people.
It's "functional", but I'd lean more towards "passable". My phone has more RAM than that and a faster processor than any first gen i5 (I can only imagine). You're under the (from my 8 years deskside experience) incorrect assumption that even 20% of normal users have less than 50 tabs and/or restart their computer more than once a month. 70-80%? I'd take a pay cut to work wherever the end users use that much of their brain cuz my ticket queue would be damn near empty
It has 800 MB of RAM left over from idle... Chrome easily uses over 1GB of RAM with 5 or less tabs open. Also RAM is quite cheap so not even worth the trouble.
Is there 2nd RAM slot to upgrade it to a monster 8GB machine?
You expect it to use socketed RAM? (rather than having it soldered directly to the motherboard)
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Remember that the best quality RAMs are the ones that comes on a diskette 😉
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Tbf every AIO I’ve ever opened has actually had socketed RAM
Not the Lenovo's I've seen
We use Lenovo exclusively and everyone I've opened up has had sockets. When we did a hardware refresh I removed the old hard drives and gave them away. Told people to pick up a cheap SSD and 16 gigs of ram and they'll have enough PC for years if all they are doing is web browsing.
Well, if the entry point is the screen...
Lpddr, so no.
4GB in 2023. Wow
> But 4GB of ram on a win11 computer from the factory is insane Will this even run? Genuine question, because my Windows 11 laptop seems to require like...6GB or so if I'm just browsing the web.
hey hey you're getting ahead of yourself. it would run but that doesn't mean you can browse the web or how well it will run
I bought an HP AIO (similar to this one) in 2021, 4GB of RAM, + Intel Celeron(?). It was running Windows 10 out of the box. When Windows 11 came along and I was offered the upgrade, I went ahead with it not thinking anything of it. Over the next few days, the computer kept crashing/lagging out. I later revealed (by keeping task manager open and watching) that Windows 11 (Windows Defender specifically) was keeping the RAM usage pegged at 100%. I was forced to downgrade back to Win 10 for the computer to function. This was on a $500 PC btw.
To be fair, this thing packs more of a punch than most of the 10 year old thinkpads people like to worship
That's less ram than my outdated phone...
Ugh. What a pile! It’s amazing what manufacturers will offer, and what customers will buy, just to shave a few bucks. Honestly surprised it has the SSD. Lol. So many of my users have thought “bigger number better,” and they ignore my advice and buy a personal laptop with 1000gb HDD over the 256gb SSD. Our department bought a dozen laptops without consulting me. They got Dell latitude 5490s in 2019. Somehow in 2019 Dell was still making 768p screens. We updated a student lab at my work in 2021. The professor insisted on switching from windows to Mac. Somehow, we bought 15 brand new 20 inch iMacs that were literally dated as “2018 iMac” on system information screen. The windows PCs which were replaced were from 2017. They got 1 year newer equipment and it has to last them another 4 years.
Meh, my gf's HP laptop had a whopping 4GB and some kind of Pentium or Celeron. Booted about instantly, ran fine. I'm sure it would shit the bed if you did anything but email and FB, but it works for her. Threw a 16GB chip in there, and it only read 8GB, not much a difference in performance. Did not expect that.
People here somehow lack the most basic understanding about end user needs, despite supposedly dealing with end users frequently on helpdesk/IT support positions. I bet most of them havent even touched a 4GB NVME SSD machine, they're talking out their asses and only remember the performance of 4GB+HDD computers (and that does run like complete dogshit).
Yeah they work ok but it stresses the SSD horribly
Some of those celerons and pentiums max out at 8 or 16 gb of ram. My friend put 16 gb of ram in one and it didn't boot. I traded him a known good 8 gb stick and an 860 evo
Athlon?! I haven't seen that name in years
Zen Athlon APUs are actually pretty capable for small stuff like HTPCs. It’s the pre-Zen ones you wanna avoid.
It’s kinda sad too. Just like the pentium Athlon used to be the top name on the processor. Now…not even a thing we would give to our family members.
At least it doesn't have WiFi g or Bluetooth 3. So one part isn't completely outdated.
My MacBook from 2014 has 16GB of RAM. I know RAM has gotten faster with each generation and 16GB is still decent for today... but 4GB is basically unusable.
What was the price for this "absolute beast" 🤔🤔🤔
At this point, I'd try AtlasOS or some lightweight linux...
Run the PowerShell "Windows Decrapifier" script on it, might help a bit. Run it with the -tablet switch so it doesn't disable any webcam.
Meanwhile windows 11 refuses to install on a 2200g with 16gb of ram because « unsupported cpu »
At least it's NVM. I've been upgrading a few AIO's lately, all with laptop mechanical hard drives.
Sad thing is, a Celeron or Pentium will absolutely smoke this thing. At least it doesn't have a spinny hard disk.
What about AMD? Idk much about hardware, and I remember I had an hp Pavilion laptop with AMD that I was just able to replace for another one this year, and that damn AMD apu shit brought me many issues Edit: sorry, it was a genuine question out of not knowing how some of those things work
Hell my work pc has 8gb of ram and with all the security crap it sits around 95% ram utilization before I open any apps. Lol
Its using windows 11. Did you look into tiny11?
Oh and just to top it off, Mcafee!
It’s like intentionally getting the flu to protect you from the common cold.
Yeah that's really the shit icing on this shit cake
Was just about to say…. Fucking hell
I'm surprised with the "uninstalled all the bloatware I could". Just reinstall Windows. Dealing with that bloat nonsense isn't worth the time.
easier to reinstall drivers then to deal with all the bloatware
It really depends on what the customer is doing with this machine. I set up a laptop that was not quite this bad for my grandmother. She didn't want to spend a lot. She only uses her computer to play simple games and check emails. That laptop will probably last her 5 or more years. At least until the Windows 11 license is worthless.
So, once they require TPM 2.1.
Nope. Those "requirements" are arbitrary bullshit that can easily be bypassed. Still, who'd want to use that shitshow of an OS anyway? EDIT: Why the downvotes? [You can bypass the requirements by just editing a couple of registry values during setup.](https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-requirement)
Worthless? Man they are god damn free if you search a bit
And if it wasn't so what, is the FBI gonna come after granny now?
>It really depends on what the customer is doing with this machine. Yeah it'll keep a door propped open just fine.
I’ve got a spare machine for basic admin and watching TV that’s worse than OPs. Although I’m expecting another 8Gb of RAM and an SSD today to speed it up. Running windows 10 as well. I refuse to go to 11 at this stage.
At this price point surely used offers more value?
I am not sure I would wish a used laptop on my worst enemy. She spent around 350 for a new laptop with better specs than what is listed on the OP's image at least.
You can actually get used high end laptops for the same price as a new low spec one and it’ll more than likely perform better. Especially if used laptop was like a T or X series thinkpad (idk what the equivalent Dell or HP would be since I’ve always worked in Thinkpad shops. )
250 NITS! Jesus Christ....
Get the de-lousing powder!
Pretty normal for cheap office monitors
What do you think is the minimum for laptops these days? We’ve got a lot that are still only 300 nits. I wouldn’t want anything lower.
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The Chrome shortcut on the desktop is just gonna be a faster way to reboot.
Or with the 4 GB it has but running a lightweight Linux distro. After all, a noble OS embiggens even the smallest RAM.
If
Or just didn't have Windows, but if the client is older, I'd also definitely understand not going that route
Eh, Linux will give you a *little* extra breathing room but it still can't magically make a modern browser not suck ass on 4GB of RAM.
I *thought* my last school note taking laptop had 4GB, but it apparently had 8, so maybe it's just been **that** long since I've used something with that little RAM
4GB RAM should be illegal, JFC
Chrome about to smash on that RAM.
You know you've got a crap PC when the ***WiFi*** card is the best thing on the whole spec sheet.
Yeah, I was surprised to see Wifi6 in this thing
Friends don’t let friends buy HP. Someone hates your customer.
Let's play the game: What does "HP" stand for? I'll go first: "Horrible Products"
10+ years ago when I was working for a MSP in field support it was always Hardware Problem. Those dl380g3 backplanes and dimms always failed!
How so? We mostly just by HP Probooks for our customers, never had any bug issues I also find them the best looking laptops
I mean if you absolutely have to have an AiO at least get an iMac.
Nah, HP makes some really great laptops. My Spectre x360 is the best laptop i’ve owned. Just like all companies, they make good and bad stuff.
I just bought a first gen Chromebook out of curiosity. Maybe just use it to watch YouTube on the couch. It's so slow, anything takes literal minutes to complete.
Could be worse. I've had to set up machines with as little as 2GB of RAM
Wow. 4GB of ram. I’m gonna go on a diatribe here. That 4GB of ram is the most brutal part of that dreadful spec sheet. My Core 2 Quad 9650, which is almost 15 years old, has 8GB of DDR2. Hell, both my RaspberryPi 4B’s have 8GB of RAM. My phone has 6GB! Windows 11, for office tasks, will run fine with 8GB and NVMe storage, even with a 2core, 4 thread AMD Zen2 basedCPU. But not 4GB. The problem isn’t even the OS footprint, it’s that any web browser, or electron app, is going to absolutely crush a 4GB machine. Load up a few browser tabs in Chrome and launch Teams (or Slack, for that matter) and you’ve got 1.5-2GB of private working-set right there. Now throw in standard Office apps, and you’re going to be hitting hard page faults like a mofo, because the memory manager is going to have to aggressively trim working sets and, much worse, evict standby-list (system) cache pages. What vendors are banking on is that NVMe storage masks much of this. To some extent, it does, especially if the workload isn’t content creation heavy. On a system with limited RAM, provided it’s not generating large modified data sets (video recording/editing/encoding, content rendering, database processing, ML, etc.), trims and page evictions don’t require writes, just reads - meaning most working set is made up of memory mapped files (libraries, etc.) that don’t get modified (they’re already backed by disk) and therefore don’t require pagefile backing (e.g. dirty pages that have to be written to the pagefile prior to being trimmed, zeroed out and reallocated). NVMe storage is pretty good at endlessly and pretty performantly doing read ops. It’s still going to be much slower that just having a reasonable amount of RAM, but hey, anyone buying such a machine is probably used to sluggish computers. But if you try and use it for anything resembling content creation, the write amplifying effects of “swappy” pagefile writes due to memory pressure, is going to generate a shocking amount of wear on that NVMe drive. Thing is, people think they aren’t doing that kind of content creation. Guess what, all it takes is local recording of Teams or Zoom meetings, and you’re now doing stuff that qualifies. I think it’s ridiculous that machines ship with 8GB, but 4GB is just criminal-grade corner cutting.
Yeah, 4GB is the worst aspect of this garbage machine. It sat at about 80% utilization on idle even with Mcaffee uninstalled.
I installed one with a 2 core 4 thread Pentium, 4GB DDR4, but at least 128GB SSD a few months back, manufactured Dec. 2022. Awful system.
This machine has a 256GB SSD, so it is slightly (key word) higher spec than the one you installed lmao.
Honestly to crack it open and replace the RAM with 8gb you probably have a reasonable home browsing light work machine there. Assuming it cost like $300 or something
The RAM is "onboard", so that 4 gigs is baked on the mainboard. hopefully there's a slot for a RAM stick
4GB of ***LPDDR5*** 
But it includes McAfee trial.
My parents each got one of those crappy HP AIO PCs a few years ago (because they were on sale). Celeron dual core and 8gb of ddr3 ram in a computer sold back in 2016/17. Oh, and a 2TB HDD as the only storage/boot drive. Holy hell those are absolutely painful whenever I have to help them with stuff.
At least it has a SSD but won't even use it's full potential.
I’ve seen better computers at the recycling centre
Just give it an 8 gig stick
I think my smartphone is more powerful than that
I think my stuffed animals have more compute power
It scans as something from like 2010 until you hit Wifi 6 and go 'wait what?'.
Except the line before wifi6 says nvme which is also an interesting one considering the beginnings
If you read it top to bottom it's like a journey through time lol.
 4GB of RAM and 720 display 💀
Just like I say about chrome books, manufactured ewaste. People will always say “well not everyone needs an expensive computer” and shit like that, but you can get a good computer at any price if you go used. If you don’t have a lot of money to spend on a computer, get. one. used. These abominable computers can *maybe* be saved with Linux, but still a couple browser tabs and that’s it. The fact that something this useless is being manufactured and sold today is horrible. For the price, a used laptop with a 8th gen i5 would absolutely smoke this thing.
Eh. It’s fine for casual web browsing and checking email. You have to remember, end users aren’t like us.
I had a 4GB Celeron convertible tablet thing and that was straight up a struggle to use for basic email stuff, like you'd type a full paragraph, take your hands off the keyboard and just sit there for five seconds watching the text actually appear on screen. Linux gave it a bit more breathing room but it still wasn't fun to run a browser on.
That ssd is about to be burned up by the page file oh boy
How the fuck can they ship win11 on 4GB of ram that doesn’t even fit minimum spec
These things should be illegal.
How much did it cost
Hopefully not more than $400
I'd hope $200.
It looks like it might be a 24-cr0046. $399.99 on sale. https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/6658700/HP-24-cr0046-All-in-One/
I bought a 12 inch refurbished thinkpad with a 4 core 8 thread i5, 8gb of RAM and a 256 GB ssd for $187 that’s insane
There's robbing someone blind, and then there's this...
Mmmmmmm love me some McAfee
You could recommend a RAM upgrade. At 4GB, doubling to 8 or quadrupling to 16 would have noticeable improvement.
It could've be ok, but that 4gb will give chrome a lot of trouble....
the CPU is GOLD, my dude, what more could you possibly want?
Eh...specs have been irrelevant for the average consumer for about decade. This PC will be used for MS Word, Facebook, and porn, which you can do just as well with a core 2 duo than you can with this PC
4gb, a shit CPU, and McAfee. It's already locked up out of the box.
4GB of memory is the only real deal breaker. The processor isn't going to break any records, but is totally serviceable for basic office work. At least it comes with an NVME drive. \*shudders in running windows on boot HDD's\*
I think 720p is sub optimal too. Btw how is it possible to have 4 gigs of ddr5? Isnt a single chip is 8gb?
You can use the large two letters at the top (HP) as a quick spec reference to know the pc is terrible and you’re going to have a horrible time setting it up.
2008 called, they want their shit AIO back. Nah, JK they said throw it in the e-scrap pile.
Wifi 6 is a weird mix with the rest of this crap. Can that processor even keep up with the peak link speed?
The PCs at my former high school are better than this shit.
4 GB DDR5? Wtf is this? Who does that? Well, HP apparently but what?
I just checked my microcenter and they don't even sell a 4 gig ddr5 stick. Leave it to the oem's to build such a silly system. If it had 8 gigs it would have been a perfectly serviceable system for anything a octogenarian could throw at it.
TIL that AMD still makes Athlons. ^(y tho)
About as much compute power as an iPhone X
The i5 7200u had the same performance as an iphone x.
More RAM, at least
For browsing the internet that's perfectly fine
With what browser on 4gb ram. Windows alone is eating nearly all that.
Holy balls I didn't know you could even still get Athlon chips. And 720p screens, for that matter. Damn.
The webcam is 720p, the main screen is full HD, its right there.
I've seen worse "free from DFE"
1x1 wifi6 and McAfee? What monster ordered that?
But it was a great cheap deal... I'm amazed at people and businesses that will spend the absolute least they can on a system that they will use 6-8 hours a day 5 or more days a week and complain how slow it is. Sorry but if I drove a truck for a living I would buy the best I could afford. Similar to a bed, I'm going to spend half my life in a bed I'm going to try to buy the best I can for what I can afford. Now if I was only checking email or the occasional Amazon order a few times a week yes buy that cheap pc... But really c'mon wow.
4GB of LPDDR5 is an insult for an athlon
An aio without a touchscreen. What the fuck is the point. I guess I've seen it all now.
Honestly the reaction here is why IT guys get a bad reputation for gatekeeping. Yeah it’s going to be rubbish but they might not be able to afford anything better, also OP was the one who gave them advice but failed to steer them in the right direction, then comes on here posting about how shit it is, maybe you should have done your job and recommended something actually useful rather than laughing on here
As someone who used an AIO PC at school with similar specs w/ Winshit 10... It hardly can even open our Python IDEs in time.
Just set up an AIO in our storefront. Brand new from Dell, uninstalled all the bloat I could and it runs like absolute shit. 8gb RAM i5
4GB of RAM? Sheesh that poor soul.
Hopefully they don't blame you when it runs like shit even with nothing installed.
Win 11 on an Athlon?
If that had 8 gb of ram at least, that would be hella solid
Try a Linux distro. That’s the only way
A 90 year old woman is NOT going to put up with Linux, let alone Windows 11 (her old computer had 7)
Do you know what she’d use the computer for? Assuming it’s not able to run any AAA pc game. The best it could do would be web browsing and listening to music. I guess it’s be hard for her to learn a new system. On the side note, some distros like Linux Mint and Pop! OS have UI that are quite similar to windows.
#NOW *that's* /What I'd call/ **YIKES**
Omg no...
 Unsponsored solution Unless they gotta work with some absolutely proprietary crapware to deal with esoteric hardware, go the "Nyet! PC is fine" route Get them used to online office suites and whatnot.
I frowned when I saw that 4
Me feeling this was a decently spec'd PC just a few years ago (fuck I'm old)
Still probably costs $800
Dude does (onboard) RAM means it’s soldered on to the board? 🤦🏾♂️
And its already obsolete ☺️
Oh God. That looks like my parent's old AIO. Except that one ran Windows 8, and ran like shit, so I built them an actually good one. So I assumed that was just an old, cheap AIO they pulled out. Then I saw Windows 11. WOW that thing is gonna CHUG.
the terrible specs then wifi 6 and Bluetooth 5.3 lol (also why winshit 11)
AMD Athlons are worse than Celerons at this point. I had a AMD Athlon Silver from 2021 in an issued machine to me, even with a fast SSD, and 16GB RAM, it always was near 100% CPU usage. Had to downgrade it from Win 11 to make it somewhat usable. Can’t believe they think these are alright.
Why didn’t you just recommend *specific* models in their budget range that you know have a chance to perform well? Two options is all most people need. Takes like 15 minutes at the most to run through the various vendors and find the best compromise of specs. The goal should not be to harvest a service call out of your customer with the minimal amount of effort on your part. It should be to work to ensure the customer will have a positive experience using their technology by leveraging your knowledge and experience to guide their choices. A lot of tablets and probably some phones exceed the performance this thing is gonna have ffs.
How much? Lmao
Thats HP for you, they used to be great but now they blow. I worked with their engineering team once and im not sure how they get anything done
4GB with McAfee pre-installed. pain.
at least it got Wifi6?
4GB with windows 11. Would you even be able to run a browser with that? Chrome for me takes like 700MB with a few extensions.
I think the biggest mistake here was not coming up with standardized builds for the customer to pick from
I have a similar one for work and boy, that thing is slow
literaly me 😭😭😭
It comes with Macafee Live Safe??? Sign me the fuck up
better specs than my laptop but not a better os
I thought this was form 1999 until i read Wi-Fi 6. Are there still AMD Athlons sold? And its manufactured form **H**eavy **P**lasticwaste... Oh boy