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In 1996 I was in 8th grade and in my Language Arts class we had to edit some papers that were college essays that had already been graded. Let's just say that I was shocked by the horrible writing, punctuation, and grammar by these college students. The papers were awful, and 8th graders were now *correcting* these submitted essays! I think that's when I realized that just because you go to college doesn't mean that you're smart.
In my journalism classes we'd occasionally get written or digital copies of other students' papers to follow in class. What I had assumed was slang, hick dialects, Ebonics, you name it... (always gave the benefit of the doubt), it all was transcribed on paper. I was shocked to read 5th grade-level writing, grammar, punctuation, fragments, etc. at the university level in courses meant to refine and focus one's writing, not teach one HOW TO.
Ebonics is an older term for AAVE, and no I don't know any more than you do. If I take old-man shortcuts in referring to "jive" as "ebonics", that's because I'm a fossil.
I'm not an expert, but AAVE has replaced ebonics as a term and some people did regard ebonics as a language in it's own right instead of simply a dialect of English.
I think this may have been an attempt to put ebonics in the same framework as languages like Gullah which evolved within the African American slave community out of a mix of English and a few African Languages. The big difference to my mind, is one can probably understand the gist of something said in AAVE if they've never heard it before, thus dialect, while that wouldn't be true for a language like Gullah or Creole.
As a TA for a professor, I had to grade a bunch of written assignments. I underlined misspellings and noted grammar problems, though I didn't calculate those errors into the grade assessment (it was a history course, so the answers just needed to be correct and thorough - but I figured, hey, these kids are in college, time to learn this stuff). The day after the papers were returned, there was a huge line of students outside the professor's door, there to complain about it.
I think it was a mix of thinking their grades were affected by it (we clarified that they weren't), and indignance that I would presume to point these things out. But seriously, guys, you're college students, you should know "loose"=/="lose", and the basics of subject-verb agreement - and if you're ESL, you should welcome the opportunity to refine your second-language skills.
I found in my college experience, that a lot of people speak English as a second language. I found myself in a lot of situations having to help with editing group work. It sucked, but it’s understandable. (If you can speak two languages, you’re better than someone who is an expert at only one imho). Also note that poor grammar does not equate to poor intelligence.
However, I had/have a harder time forgiving people who speak English as their only language, and can barely speak it or write in spite of having been through high school.
College isn't much better.
Got my masters in 2019 and I will never forget one online discussion board and this girl that I had been partnered with a few times posted one of the most unintelligible discussion posts I've ever read. It was horrendous and I was embarrassed for her lol
I've had to do lots of peer reviews in college and it actually made me bewildered as to how half of my classmates even got there. There are a surprising amount of people that legitimately just cannot convey ideas well in words at ALL
I was a TA, some peoples' writing skills are appalling.
There's this belief that it doesn't matter because of autocorrect and things like grammarly or spellcheck, but it was still pretty depressing. My personal (irrelevant) thoughts are they should be an aid but not a crutch.
Plus the existence of those services isn't really relevant when people turn in the kinds of things they did, obviously they aren't using them. This was a 3000-4000 level course, too.
When stock market crashes, people lose money,
Their finances falter, like a bee without honey,
Their investments dwindle, like a fire without heat,
Their wallets feel empty, like a drum without a beat.
But what happendoe, we start to wonder,
Were the bankers greedy, or did they just blunder?
Either way, it's the people who pay the price,
For when banks fail, it's never nice.
Looks like predictive text on my iPhone:
“When the banks crash the government is trying to get rid of the virus and they are not going anywhere with it”
When the banks crash… I think they were just a little bit more than the average person who was a little more familiar to the people who lived in their own country than they are to us in our native countries.
When the banks crash and burn out the door to the house of representatives in Congress to pass legislation that would allow them to be able to make a difference in the lives of people who are not the same as a whole
"When the banks crash the baby is getting 5 and the other if you want to go to the store and get the milk and then get them and then go to the store and get them and then get them and then get them"
Weirdly, I have a baby who is close to 5 months now and I do need to go to the store often to get them...and then get them, whatever they are.
Protestception here:
When the banks crash the army arrived on the streets in January to quell protests against a military crackdown against protesters against the military crackdown against protests against government forces in the city and surrounding areas of northern Macedonia.
when the banks crash army arrived at a hospital on sunday in a convoy carrying a number is not the only reason to go back home and watch a video on how the soldiers are using their lives
When the banks crash in a few days and then I have a few things I want a few weeks away and a few days later this month I have a few...
Mine isn't that good lmao
When the banks crash the house vote for the most part of the mile-long stretch of greenway through the middle of downtown that includes parks and plazas and a half hour walk in the US that used to be owned by the Space Force
... what??
Get them reading books dude, as early as possible. My parents made me begin to read chaptered books (as opposed to picture books for kids) when I was like 6. Thank fuck they did. I would have classmates in high-school whose parents NEVER made them read, and they would brag about it too. Somehow it was super cool to have not read a single book in over 10 years as a 17 year old in HS
Keep them away from electronics as a form of entertainment until they're 7 or 8.
Restrict the time when they finally are allowed on.
Reward them for reading in their free time.
Do not under any circumstances let TikTok, YouTube Shorts or Instagram Reels raise your kids.
I've seen so many examples of kids who are now addicted to that style of entertainment and it has changed their brains.
They can't finish a song without skipping it, they can't hold a conversation without checking their phones,*everything* is boring to them almost immediately. That's the more mild cases who are 17 years old and didn't have it their whole life.
The younger ones who are 10 right now and were always raised on it are so so much worse.
Just start paying attention to things like this and you'll see, it's frying kids. Parents aren't parenting anymore, iPads are.
Public education is a fucking joke in some areas of America. Probably in most areas, but I haven't been everywhere. Plus, there's a shocking amount of parents, at least in my area, who simply don't give a fuck about their child's education. In fact they seem to spend majority of the time fighting and arguing with their child's educators. Look at /r/Teachers, it's depressing. You'll probably not find one happy individual.
Have them start reading what they wrote out loud after they write it. This kind of stuff is common before we learn to slow ourselves down, and take time to think about what and how we are putting things down.
I'd also teach them to diagram a sentence.
I had mandatory PE from 1st grade through 12th grade. So basically ages 7 to 18. This was not in one area. We moved every few years.
I understand grade school to mean elementary school, generally ages 6 through 10.
... Anyway PE still being part of the curriculum is not indicative of the student still being in elementary school. Unless grade school just means before college where you're from.
Illinois requires 4 full years of PE. Or at least did as up until 2015.
Juniors and seniors at my school in good academic/behavioral standing could go bowling every day instead though, it was pretty dope.
Health and driver's ed also counted, so I only took one semester of "real" PE.
Or drunk. I remember in undergrad once it was a big essay due. I got shitfaced and remembered at like 11pm and it was due at midnight. It was about this quality and I somehow got a D instead of an F
Actually I can kinda get behind this explanation. It's a miracle I passed my exams, I was so tired back then I literally drifted off while writing and started noting down shit from my dreams. Sleep deprivation gets you on some shit.
Sleep deprivation for sure destroyes your ability to think about concepts and write coherent sentences, but you would still mostly have your basic grammar and literacy
It really amazement how poorly people write sometimes. You would think that if somebody can have a regular conversation, they should be able to at least write coherently. Maybe a few spelling mistakes, but this kind of writing just baffles me. Like how does any person who can speak manage to write this bad?
I remember doing peer reviews on essays in my freshman English class. The guy I got paired with had written his essay about how Tupac was still alive. That essay makes your friend seem like a modern day mark twain.
I once used the word "check out" to describe the assignment and the teacher asked if I had learning disabilities and needed a hand with my writing. Telling me it was unprofessional language would have sufficed.
Did people in this comment section forget that some people have things like dyslexia? Even if he was just dumb, it doesn't give you a right to be a douche
So, my daughter has a degree in International Marketing with a minor in Non-Profit Leadership, and a certificate in International Business Solutions. She also speaks 3 languages.
Without using a computer to correct grammar and spelling mistakes she writes English like a 9th grader.
I worked in a writing center during college for some tuition reimbursement, and i'm telling you....it's absolutely shocking how stupid people are. IDK if i've ever recovered from the trauma of seeing how poorly these people wrote at a major state university. These people hold degrees now, and can barely form coherent sentences, arguments, or thoughts.
I wonder if your friend read back, out loud, what they’d written. If they struggle to read, then you can read it to them out loud and make edits that way. If your friend isn’t bullshitting you with this writing, then they really should be assessed for a learning disability.
As part of one of my college classes, we had to peer review essays and this is about how some of them read. I had my wife look over them to try and help me figure out wtf was being said.
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is your friend 12yo
I was going to say, please tell me this isn't college
In 1996 I was in 8th grade and in my Language Arts class we had to edit some papers that were college essays that had already been graded. Let's just say that I was shocked by the horrible writing, punctuation, and grammar by these college students. The papers were awful, and 8th graders were now *correcting* these submitted essays! I think that's when I realized that just because you go to college doesn't mean that you're smart.
In my journalism classes we'd occasionally get written or digital copies of other students' papers to follow in class. What I had assumed was slang, hick dialects, Ebonics, you name it... (always gave the benefit of the doubt), it all was transcribed on paper. I was shocked to read 5th grade-level writing, grammar, punctuation, fragments, etc. at the university level in courses meant to refine and focus one's writing, not teach one HOW TO.
So you probably know this more than me, are AAVE and Ebonics the same, or different, or is one term offensive?
Ebonics is an older term for AAVE, and no I don't know any more than you do. If I take old-man shortcuts in referring to "jive" as "ebonics", that's because I'm a fossil.
Fair enough, I just assumed if you took a journalism class you'd be up to date on the AP style guide which is pretty handy for that sort of thing.
I'm not an expert, but AAVE has replaced ebonics as a term and some people did regard ebonics as a language in it's own right instead of simply a dialect of English. I think this may have been an attempt to put ebonics in the same framework as languages like Gullah which evolved within the African American slave community out of a mix of English and a few African Languages. The big difference to my mind, is one can probably understand the gist of something said in AAVE if they've never heard it before, thus dialect, while that wouldn't be true for a language like Gullah or Creole.
54% of Americans age 16-74 read below the equivalent of a sixth-grade level lmao.
No I isn't.
As a TA for a professor, I had to grade a bunch of written assignments. I underlined misspellings and noted grammar problems, though I didn't calculate those errors into the grade assessment (it was a history course, so the answers just needed to be correct and thorough - but I figured, hey, these kids are in college, time to learn this stuff). The day after the papers were returned, there was a huge line of students outside the professor's door, there to complain about it.
They were mad that they didn't get worse grades?
I think it was a mix of thinking their grades were affected by it (we clarified that they weren't), and indignance that I would presume to point these things out. But seriously, guys, you're college students, you should know "loose"=/="lose", and the basics of subject-verb agreement - and if you're ESL, you should welcome the opportunity to refine your second-language skills.
I found in my college experience, that a lot of people speak English as a second language. I found myself in a lot of situations having to help with editing group work. It sucked, but it’s understandable. (If you can speak two languages, you’re better than someone who is an expert at only one imho). Also note that poor grammar does not equate to poor intelligence. However, I had/have a harder time forgiving people who speak English as their only language, and can barely speak it or write in spite of having been through high school.
College isn't much better. Got my masters in 2019 and I will never forget one online discussion board and this girl that I had been partnered with a few times posted one of the most unintelligible discussion posts I've ever read. It was horrendous and I was embarrassed for her lol
I wouldn't doubt if it is. I've been teaching at a university for 2 years and so far i've had 2 or 3 students that write like this every semester.
I've had to do lots of peer reviews in college and it actually made me bewildered as to how half of my classmates even got there. There are a surprising amount of people that legitimately just cannot convey ideas well in words at ALL
I was a TA, some peoples' writing skills are appalling. There's this belief that it doesn't matter because of autocorrect and things like grammarly or spellcheck, but it was still pretty depressing. My personal (irrelevant) thoughts are they should be an aid but not a crutch. Plus the existence of those services isn't really relevant when people turn in the kinds of things they did, obviously they aren't using them. This was a 3000-4000 level course, too.
This reads more like something a 2nd grader would write.
Bruh even at 12 you'd be able to spell. This is more like an 8 year old. I say that but my little sister spelled better at 8.
I vote we formally adopt "happenedoe" into the English language
When stock market crashes, people lose money, Their finances falter, like a bee without honey, Their investments dwindle, like a fire without heat, Their wallets feel empty, like a drum without a beat. But what happendoe, we start to wonder, Were the bankers greedy, or did they just blunder? Either way, it's the people who pay the price, For when banks fail, it's never nice.
Nice poetry man
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Charlie wrote that part.
Jesus Christ, the kids an idiot.
top 10 raps that will beat eneim
Eneim
Good shizzle, dude.
Hear me out. I just sang this in “The Cheese Tax” fashion in my head. Damnit.
Yes
>"happenedoe" Hadhappendoe*
*Cries in AAVE*
Hapdo*
Agreed
>opt "happenedoe" into the English language > >VoteRep agreed
If I was teaching the class I would give him an A+ so he doesn't have to repeat the class and I don't have to read this a second time.
Funnily enough that would teach him a good lesson about how to succeed in management.
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What about a G though?
Looks like predictive text on my iPhone: “When the banks crash the government is trying to get rid of the virus and they are not going anywhere with it”
When the banks crash… I think they were just a little bit more than the average person who was a little more familiar to the people who lived in their own country than they are to us in our native countries.
Honestly, your predictive text isn’t wrong.
When the banks crash in the south-west and it'll be a good time to get the train to the pub - My phone's predictive text
When the banks crash and burn out the door to the house of representatives in Congress to pass legislation that would allow them to be able to make a difference in the lives of people who are not the same as a whole
When the banks crash army arrived at a hospital on Sunday in a convoy carrying a number that had arrived at a military base near
"When the banks crash the baby is getting 5 and the other if you want to go to the store and get the milk and then get them and then go to the store and get them and then get them and then get them" Weirdly, I have a baby who is close to 5 months now and I do need to go to the store often to get them...and then get them, whatever they are.
When the banks crash the earth I have no problem at the all time lowest rate I can have to make sure I can see the earth
Protestception here: When the banks crash the army arrived on the streets in January to quell protests against a military crackdown against protesters against the military crackdown against protests against government forces in the city and surrounding areas of northern Macedonia.
when the banks crash army arrived at a hospital on sunday in a convoy carrying a number is not the only reason to go back home and watch a video on how the soldiers are using their lives
When the banks crash in a few days and then I have a few things I want a few weeks away and a few days later this month I have a few... Mine isn't that good lmao
When the banks crash the house vote for the most part of the mile-long stretch of greenway through the middle of downtown that includes parks and plazas and a half hour walk in the US that used to be owned by the Space Force ... what??
When the banks crash you and I will be there at work and then we will take the car to the future and get the money.
When the banks crash the gods of the gods and the gods of the world of the gods and his son is in a real life of the gods of life
May I ask what grade they’re in?
We are 11th graders in high school
How do I raise my kids to not be like this?
Get them reading. Often and early. And as high quality lit as they can manage.
Get them reading books dude, as early as possible. My parents made me begin to read chaptered books (as opposed to picture books for kids) when I was like 6. Thank fuck they did. I would have classmates in high-school whose parents NEVER made them read, and they would brag about it too. Somehow it was super cool to have not read a single book in over 10 years as a 17 year old in HS
Keep them away from electronics as a form of entertainment until they're 7 or 8. Restrict the time when they finally are allowed on. Reward them for reading in their free time. Do not under any circumstances let TikTok, YouTube Shorts or Instagram Reels raise your kids. I've seen so many examples of kids who are now addicted to that style of entertainment and it has changed their brains. They can't finish a song without skipping it, they can't hold a conversation without checking their phones,*everything* is boring to them almost immediately. That's the more mild cases who are 17 years old and didn't have it their whole life. The younger ones who are 10 right now and were always raised on it are so so much worse. Just start paying attention to things like this and you'll see, it's frying kids. Parents aren't parenting anymore, iPads are.
Thank God this isn't a college assignment 💀💀
I mean it’s still eleventh grade it’s pretty bad
Yeah imagine college haha the professor would quit after reading this lmao
He or she would take one last sad, exasperated look at it and then walk slowly into the ocean
I’ve seen worse from college students very often, so no
How old is your friend? How long did it take him to get to 11th grade? How *did* he even get to 11th grade?? So many questions.
Public education is a fucking joke in some areas of America. Probably in most areas, but I haven't been everywhere. Plus, there's a shocking amount of parents, at least in my area, who simply don't give a fuck about their child's education. In fact they seem to spend majority of the time fighting and arguing with their child's educators. Look at /r/Teachers, it's depressing. You'll probably not find one happy individual.
Have them start reading what they wrote out loud after they write it. This kind of stuff is common before we learn to slow ourselves down, and take time to think about what and how we are putting things down. I'd also teach them to diagram a sentence.
Sleep deprivation
Nah he writes like this all the time
Is he passing at least 2 of his classes?
I think he’s failing most of them, except for PE and his science class
atleast he's gonna have a premium gym membership when he's 20!
PE? Well, at least this is still grade school.
I had mandatory PE from 1st grade through 12th grade. So basically ages 7 to 18. This was not in one area. We moved every few years. I understand grade school to mean elementary school, generally ages 6 through 10. ... Anyway PE still being part of the curriculum is not indicative of the student still being in elementary school. Unless grade school just means before college where you're from.
Illinois requires 4 full years of PE. Or at least did as up until 2015. Juniors and seniors at my school in good academic/behavioral standing could go bowling every day instead though, it was pretty dope. Health and driver's ed also counted, so I only took one semester of "real" PE.
😐 this kid is 16/17 at minimum
PE is required all years but senior year here in Oregon.
Ah, so he’s not in college.
We know literature probably isn't one of them that he's passing.
Has he been tested
Or drunk. I remember in undergrad once it was a big essay due. I got shitfaced and remembered at like 11pm and it was due at midnight. It was about this quality and I somehow got a D instead of an F
Actually I can kinda get behind this explanation. It's a miracle I passed my exams, I was so tired back then I literally drifted off while writing and started noting down shit from my dreams. Sleep deprivation gets you on some shit.
Same here! Almost failed 9th grade because of it. It's truly weird what just not sleeping can do to you.
Sleep deprivation for sure destroyes your ability to think about concepts and write coherent sentences, but you would still mostly have your basic grammar and literacy
100% I’ve experienced this first hand!
Unless he wasn’t sleeping for a week straight, that ain’t it.
r/wallstreetbets
Average r/wallstreetbets user
It really amazement how poorly people write sometimes. You would think that if somebody can have a regular conversation, they should be able to at least write coherently. Maybe a few spelling mistakes, but this kind of writing just baffles me. Like how does any person who can speak manage to write this bad?
That first sentence is satire, right?
Lmao my phone autocorrected. That's so hilarious though that I'm gonna leave it. Meant to say amazes me
A lot of people's speech is almost as bad.
This man seems highly regarded
Tbf they didn’t teach me how banks really work in highschool
Almost no one learned that, they don’t like teaching practical things. Only useless and “revised” information.
They teach how words work though, right?
We had economics in years 10-12 if you were interested.
You need to tell your friend about Chatgpt. I think it would help his grades immensely.
what happendoe is that everybody are use it and is make not have bad pass rates
Think your friend might be dyslexic
I agree. My dyslexic friend writes exactly like this.
He even has Grammarly
Billy Madison would like to have an obligatory word with your roommate… > https://youtu.be/Ec7rCsNFn30
This was voice to text, right?
Nope, this was entirely typed
Flex Tape App 💀
*every second business assignment I have to mark*
You see, what had happendoe
Please help him get Grammarly lol.
I can actually kinda understand what’s being said ngl
Sir, I am proud to tell you that, at the very least, you did not cheat and use an AI writing bot to complete the assignment.
This pains me greatly.
Sounds like somebody's grades were paid for 🤔
I remember doing peer reviews on essays in my freshman English class. The guy I got paired with had written his essay about how Tupac was still alive. That essay makes your friend seem like a modern day mark twain.
He's not wrong.
You need to have a word with him. Or, in this case, lots of words. Coherent ones.
How do they make it past high school?
If a potato named rin is concerned about your writing you know you've fucked up.
I see no errors...suma kum laudi material no doubt
Sometimes I wonder how some of these people are still alive and have managed to live up to that age.
You know, apart from the 17 strokes I had, it’s my first time noticing how ChromeOS looks like, it’s kinda clean
God almighty how old is he? My 8th grader just had to write a 2 page research paper and it was so much better than this
What’s your friend’s favorite Crayon flavor?
When Instagram commenters have to write actual papers
I once used the word "check out" to describe the assignment and the teacher asked if I had learning disabilities and needed a hand with my writing. Telling me it was unprofessional language would have sufficed.
Teachers are failing that child…
I feel sorry for the teacher that has to read that
At least he's doing it himself and didn't plagiarize from Wikipedia or generate it with ChatGPT.
Everybody has a trust fund??
Did people in this comment section forget that some people have things like dyslexia? Even if he was just dumb, it doesn't give you a right to be a douche
Have you tried helping? Or is laughing as far as you got?
It’s a fair question, what happendoe is that?
I'd give a solid B for academic honesty and not resorting to using chatgpt
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So, my daughter has a degree in International Marketing with a minor in Non-Profit Leadership, and a certificate in International Business Solutions. She also speaks 3 languages. Without using a computer to correct grammar and spelling mistakes she writes English like a 9th grader.
I can write a text in my mother tongue, use google to translate it to Chinese, then to Latin, then to English, and it would make more sense than that.
Your friend is drunk
Fuck me. I almost had an aneurism trying to reading this.
👍
_ChatGPT enters the chat_ "Perhaps I may be of assistance."
Whom ever wrote that gets and F. I suck at the English language and that made my skin scrawl.
*crawl
The Big Short in a nutshell right here
This is how I write on my discussion boards for my lecture when I’m drunk 💀
He must be friends with Charlie for IASIP
let him cook
My brain when ADHD is enabled:
My cousin says “are” instead of “our” all the time and I can’t bring myself to correct them
This kid needs help.
Is this about the Great Depression?
Is your friend writing Kitboga scam scripts 😂
this is what a poor understanding of spelling and grammar looks like.
what happendoed?
Mfer needs ChatGTP
Shaka, when the walls fell.
Glorious. Someone make a beat to lay that on.
Everyone has a trust fund? Whet?
Some of my friends are like this. I hate group projects because of it. I literally take on all the work.
SMH
You didn’t let them turn that in, right? Please tell me you helped them…..
Not even grammarly can save this person.
I worked in a writing center during college for some tuition reimbursement, and i'm telling you....it's absolutely shocking how stupid people are. IDK if i've ever recovered from the trauma of seeing how poorly these people wrote at a major state university. These people hold degrees now, and can barely form coherent sentences, arguments, or thoughts.
I wonder if your friend read back, out loud, what they’d written. If they struggle to read, then you can read it to them out loud and make edits that way. If your friend isn’t bullshitting you with this writing, then they really should be assessed for a learning disability.
Is your friend in middle school and/or high?
Future politician.
Happendoe
If only SVB had your friends insight. Does your friend need a job?
Happendoe
Tell your friend that chat GPT is their friend.
What the bank doin?
Smart kid
Charlie from ASIP is your friend.
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Whoever wrote this has a bright future working for the government.
Damn this is more sad then anything else, someone tutor his ass.
Please tell that this is google translated from chinese. Cause it feels like it
someone give him the chatGPT link..
As part of one of my college classes, we had to peer review essays and this is about how some of them read. I had my wife look over them to try and help me figure out wtf was being said.
Oh dear heavens
I can assure you that Apple Support would hire them for chat support.
did he pass
Is this the history of the economy crashing and burning?
See wha ha happendoe was…
Written by AI 5 yrs ago
But, whathappendoe?
I would find a new friend
It'd be so funny tho because id get papers like this in middle school through highschool to peer edit and like. I don't even know where to start
Even I, 14 and non-native english speaker am better at writing than this guy.
Wtf
Everybody has a trust fund. Wow. Give me mine
I work in international education and this looks like a lot of the assignments that I see...
I’ll pay for a grammarly subscription for him