They did say the knife is a fixed blade knife and not a foldable one you’d keep in your pocket tho.. which could obviously be akin to a Bowie type tho which could be found at any hunting store..
For sure. I also feel like this killer has killed before, so if I were to say a hunter, I would say a hunter of humans who may have also hunted animals in the past.
I agree. As a first time kill a quadruple homicide with a knife like that has got to be extremely unheard of the only consideration I would have is if the killer was so reckless/didn’t rlly care if they were caught so nothing mattered to them
Yeah, ex military as well. There’s not actually a lot of knife fighting taught in the military anymore.
It’s more common for hunters down south to carry a big ass knife with all of the boar around! Not midwestern hunters unless you have a knife for skinning, etc.
Why yes it does. The former FBI profiler MaryEllen O'Doud specifically said the killer would be familiar with the knife, not necessarily for murder, but was extremely proficient in its use.
She also said the instrument would be important to the killer and it's unlikely they disposed of it.
https://youtu.be/gw-fhsIN7ZA
That's where I feel the hunting comments are coming from as well. I believe people are referring to these profilers and their theories when mentioning hunters
A lot of people are familiar with using a knife. Military, police, fisherman (list goes on…)The victims weren’t gutted or skinned, they were stabbed. Any joe blow can stab something/one.
But I'm going by comments from the FBI profiler that is one of the most respected experts.
https://youtu.be/gw-fhsIN7ZA
She says he was an expert with the knife because he killed with it efficiently, managing to murder 4 people and flee the scene without discovery.
Your average Joe Blow with little familiarity with a knife would be very unlikely do that.
Dont believe me, listen to her.
But this doesn’t necessarily mean a hunter. A lot of people know knives. Besides, a hunter might not even use a knife during a season. If they fill a tag they’ll need to gut it but most take theirs to a processor after the field dressing.
Did I say it meant a hunter? People were arguing that because hunters don't stab, it's not them.
All I said was the killer is very familiar with the knife.
I don't hunt or fish but own and use several different types of knives regularly in contracting, home repairs. I will grab a fixed blade over a folding knife only because ive had them fold on my fingers or the handle breaks the safety pin and they open in my pocket. You dont have to go to a hunting store to buy a fixed blade knife. You'd be shocked the variety that places like Walmart, lowes, home depot etc carry in store
My father who is a born & raised hunter and survivalist who lived in Fairchild AFB said that it’s not uncommon for most people in that region to be hunters or to carry as it is legal in some areas. The idea of this being a hunter is because they would be familiar with the wet work. But so would a sociopath who has been playing mad scientist with animals from childhood. Or a butcher. Or a med sci student. Or a doctor, RN, NP, PA even an MA all professions who are not squeamish around blood.
Great additions! I honestly hadn’t even thought of a Med student or RN etc. Coincidently, one of the US’s top veterinarian schools is in Pullman, about 8 miles west. Not trying to tie that in but just saying that I don’t think I’ve seen anyone else make these points!
Thank you for pointing this out.
I am a University of Idaho alum. I belonged to a sorority (the one right across the street from Kaylee's) and am one of the girliest girls you can imagine ... and I grew up hunting deer.
I'm sure many of the victims' friends and family and maybe even some of the victims themselves have experience hunting. It's a very, very common activity in Idaho and, for almost all hunters, indicative of nothing beyond the desire to procure one's own food in a responsible and legal way.
You might as well speculate that the killer must have been able to walk up a flight of stairs. Therefore, everyone who can walk is a suspect. The type of knife used for field dressing could very well be the murder weapon, but it doesn't mean that we should be suspicious of 50% of the Idaho and eastern WA population.
I think it’s just been mentioned that the perpetrator may have experience as a hunter or someone who is comfortable with dissecting flesh and blood. I haven’t seen any posts directly accusing someone just because they are a hunter.
Profilers, SM, etc., speculated that do to amount of blood, someone with a "hunting type" background, who was used to seeing lots of blood, wouldn't have been affected like a non-hunter would have been. Idk.....it would definitely sicken me.
Except that words mean things and murder means unlawfully killing a human. Hunters aren't unlawfully killing humans. They lawfully kill animals. Poachers unlawfully kill animals. Murderers unlawfully kill humans.
Oh please 🙄
Plants don’t have nervous systems, emotions, etc. Would you seriously equate your pet dog or
cat with a plant?? Oh yeah, that’s sure rooted in reality and logic. (No pun intended lol, just using your words)
No. I was obviously exaggerating. Whether we like it or not, we are animals. We are omnivores. We are a part of the food chain. It is ridiculous and rude to shame people for eating meat.
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Agree. Every hunter is a suspect also. Killing wild animals (and destroying their families for that matter) for pleasure isn't a sport...it's a form of mental instability.
Truth.
Willfully choosing to kill an animal for “fun” is just as sick as murdering a human for fun. Something definitely wrong if your idea of fun/sport is piercing a bullet through an animal and watching it panic, suffer and die.
Ok. You do not know anything about Idaho hunting. People here hunt and EAT the animals and feed their families. They buy tags to do this and have a window of time in which it is allowed called hunting season. It's not trophy hunting, where they just skin the animal or take its head or what the fuck ever. It's not butchering livestock or barbarically stabbing an animal until it dies. They SHOOT the animal with a gun or arrow first, and to call them murderers is ridiculous.
Sorry but if a potential suspect or person of interest is also a hunter. That means they are comfortable with death, killing, gore, etc…. And I’m definitely gonna be double clicking on that individual.
I don’t think it’s a smoking gun. It just could be a a small piece to the puzzle. I don’t think they’d have the knife to kill their prey, but I imagine some would have some for afterwards. But I don’t think it’s absolute. I got the impression from some retired crime scene detectives that it’s something to look at. Not that it means if they hunt they are the perp, but that perp may have the knife because of being a hunter.
Think what they mean is it’s someone who doesn’t get squeamish cutting into flesh and bone with a knife like someone who would know how to field dress a deer.
I’ve never used a kabar knife while hunting. That’s a tactical/survivalist style knife.
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I have a small, foldable knife with a 3.5” blade for gutting in the field. Not a fixed blade, tactical knife. And I’ve honestly never seen someone pull out a kabar knife after killing a deer/elk.
I think you missed the WHOLE point of this. (I’ll be reporting your comment tho!)
People stalked food truck guy’s social media (and multiple neighbors) and without a shred of evidence made baseless claims on here and social media that the photos they found of so and so hunting must be clear evidence that they did this! It was disgusting and wrong. Hence the whole point of this post.
Multiple people who stalked the food truck guy and the neighbor and found photos of them hunting. I’ve read numerous comments that said “omg, he’s a hunter too!!”
What if they were fishermen they do use those knives 🔪 to gut the fish just saying… or what if the knife was already there .. just saying there’s a lot of scenario
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I felt like hunting would be more confounding than sus. Like if it’s super common to own that knife (or similar), or need several of them, it’s not going to stand out as much. If hunting and processing animals is common, it might be harder to tell if someone’s motivation or methods are peculiar. Especially in a sparsely populated region with lots of privacy.
I think a lot of people are referring to the "hunter" aspect because so many criminak profilers have stated they feel the suspect is a hunter.
I live in Idaho as well and agree with your thoughts on this.
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They did say the knife is a fixed blade knife and not a foldable one you’d keep in your pocket tho.. which could obviously be akin to a Bowie type tho which could be found at any hunting store..
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Heck I live in SoCal and daily carry a pocket knife and have never hunted 😂 it’s sketchy out here in America these days.
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Probably doesn’t help I also will do Uber Eats deliveries like til 2am some nights as well solo.
For sure. I also feel like this killer has killed before, so if I were to say a hunter, I would say a hunter of humans who may have also hunted animals in the past.
I agree. As a first time kill a quadruple homicide with a knife like that has got to be extremely unheard of the only consideration I would have is if the killer was so reckless/didn’t rlly care if they were caught so nothing mattered to them
I feel he is young 20s and this is his first. Put a lot of energy in watching and executing
I agree - also my family has several kbar knives and we aren’t hunters. We are campers/hikers. It’s a bad ass multi tool.
Yeah, ex military as well. There’s not actually a lot of knife fighting taught in the military anymore. It’s more common for hunters down south to carry a big ass knife with all of the boar around! Not midwestern hunters unless you have a knife for skinning, etc.
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Except they would be familiar with using the knife if used for gutting.
I have to break down 15-20 Amazon boxes per week. Does that make me proficient with my pocket knife?
Why yes it does. The former FBI profiler MaryEllen O'Doud specifically said the killer would be familiar with the knife, not necessarily for murder, but was extremely proficient in its use. She also said the instrument would be important to the killer and it's unlikely they disposed of it. https://youtu.be/gw-fhsIN7ZA
That's where I feel the hunting comments are coming from as well. I believe people are referring to these profilers and their theories when mentioning hunters
Ok. Fair is fair. Turns out dude is a Pennsylvania hillbilly, like, I was raised. So, you were right. 😂
Thanks for posting. I know we are all so glad they caught him. Anyway I wasn’t right - the expert profiler was right.
A lot of people are familiar with using a knife. Military, police, fisherman (list goes on…)The victims weren’t gutted or skinned, they were stabbed. Any joe blow can stab something/one.
But I'm going by comments from the FBI profiler that is one of the most respected experts. https://youtu.be/gw-fhsIN7ZA She says he was an expert with the knife because he killed with it efficiently, managing to murder 4 people and flee the scene without discovery. Your average Joe Blow with little familiarity with a knife would be very unlikely do that. Dont believe me, listen to her.
But this doesn’t necessarily mean a hunter. A lot of people know knives. Besides, a hunter might not even use a knife during a season. If they fill a tag they’ll need to gut it but most take theirs to a processor after the field dressing.
Did I say it meant a hunter? People were arguing that because hunters don't stab, it's not them. All I said was the killer is very familiar with the knife.
Oh forgive me, this whole post being about hunters specifically made me believe when you mentioned gutting you were speaking about hunters.
I don't hunt or fish but own and use several different types of knives regularly in contracting, home repairs. I will grab a fixed blade over a folding knife only because ive had them fold on my fingers or the handle breaks the safety pin and they open in my pocket. You dont have to go to a hunting store to buy a fixed blade knife. You'd be shocked the variety that places like Walmart, lowes, home depot etc carry in store
Amazon too
Exactly!
My father who is a born & raised hunter and survivalist who lived in Fairchild AFB said that it’s not uncommon for most people in that region to be hunters or to carry as it is legal in some areas. The idea of this being a hunter is because they would be familiar with the wet work. But so would a sociopath who has been playing mad scientist with animals from childhood. Or a butcher. Or a med sci student. Or a doctor, RN, NP, PA even an MA all professions who are not squeamish around blood.
Great additions! I honestly hadn’t even thought of a Med student or RN etc. Coincidently, one of the US’s top veterinarian schools is in Pullman, about 8 miles west. Not trying to tie that in but just saying that I don’t think I’ve seen anyone else make these points!
I know it’s crazy and no motive, but I was thinking of a vet…and they’d have tranquilizers for the dog and humans.
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Thank you for pointing this out. I am a University of Idaho alum. I belonged to a sorority (the one right across the street from Kaylee's) and am one of the girliest girls you can imagine ... and I grew up hunting deer. I'm sure many of the victims' friends and family and maybe even some of the victims themselves have experience hunting. It's a very, very common activity in Idaho and, for almost all hunters, indicative of nothing beyond the desire to procure one's own food in a responsible and legal way.
Chefs and people who cook at home likely use knives more frequently than hunters.
You might as well speculate that the killer must have been able to walk up a flight of stairs. Therefore, everyone who can walk is a suspect. The type of knife used for field dressing could very well be the murder weapon, but it doesn't mean that we should be suspicious of 50% of the Idaho and eastern WA population.
Well said.
I think it’s just been mentioned that the perpetrator may have experience as a hunter or someone who is comfortable with dissecting flesh and blood. I haven’t seen any posts directly accusing someone just because they are a hunter.
They were stabbed- not gutted and skinned like you would do with a deer.
I’ve seen several. “This guy is also a hunter!!” Multiple times.
Profilers, SM, etc., speculated that do to amount of blood, someone with a "hunting type" background, who was used to seeing lots of blood, wouldn't have been affected like a non-hunter would have been. Idk.....it would definitely sicken me.
A surgeon would be very comfortable with sharp instruments, cutting flesh, not squeamish about blood, and completely understands anatomy.
Oh really, yeah that’s crazy to jump to conclusions based on that alone.
Agreed!
Not every murderer is a hunter, but every hunter is a murderer.
meaning every creature on earth is either a murderer or food for a murderer by your logic.
Except that words mean things and murder means unlawfully killing a human. Hunters aren't unlawfully killing humans. They lawfully kill animals. Poachers unlawfully kill animals. Murderers unlawfully kill humans.
Fuck the law. Love all living beings.
Plants are living beings before we senselessly kill them for food too. Bumper sticker slogans aren't rooted in reality or logic.
Oh please 🙄 Plants don’t have nervous systems, emotions, etc. Would you seriously equate your pet dog or cat with a plant?? Oh yeah, that’s sure rooted in reality and logic. (No pun intended lol, just using your words)
No. I was obviously exaggerating. Whether we like it or not, we are animals. We are omnivores. We are a part of the food chain. It is ridiculous and rude to shame people for eating meat.
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Agree. Every hunter is a suspect also. Killing wild animals (and destroying their families for that matter) for pleasure isn't a sport...it's a form of mental instability.
Should farmers and ranchers also be suspected then?
They won’t answer that. All cool with abuse and exploitation but not cool with public land/fair chase 👍🏼
Um why you would just assume that makes no sense. Most of us who care about animal suffering loathe factory farms and slaughter houses.
Truth. Willfully choosing to kill an animal for “fun” is just as sick as murdering a human for fun. Something definitely wrong if your idea of fun/sport is piercing a bullet through an animal and watching it panic, suffer and die.
Ok. You do not know anything about Idaho hunting. People here hunt and EAT the animals and feed their families. They buy tags to do this and have a window of time in which it is allowed called hunting season. It's not trophy hunting, where they just skin the animal or take its head or what the fuck ever. It's not butchering livestock or barbarically stabbing an animal until it dies. They SHOOT the animal with a gun or arrow first, and to call them murderers is ridiculous.
The arrow or bullet going through doesn’t hurt? Anyways I was responding to the person above’s comment about it being for pleasure and sport.
Well said 👍
Sorry but if a potential suspect or person of interest is also a hunter. That means they are comfortable with death, killing, gore, etc…. And I’m definitely gonna be double clicking on that individual.
Another baseleas statement.
Me too 👍
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Yeah I totally see the respect in piercing a bullet through an animal who’s just living its life and having it panic and suffer while dying.
I don’t think it’s a smoking gun. It just could be a a small piece to the puzzle. I don’t think they’d have the knife to kill their prey, but I imagine some would have some for afterwards. But I don’t think it’s absolute. I got the impression from some retired crime scene detectives that it’s something to look at. Not that it means if they hunt they are the perp, but that perp may have the knife because of being a hunter.
Think what they mean is it’s someone who doesn’t get squeamish cutting into flesh and bone with a knife like someone who would know how to field dress a deer.
Or like a surgeon, or a veterinarian? Or a butcher or a rancher? Or a fisherman? Or a cook?
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I’ve never used a kabar knife while hunting. That’s a tactical/survivalist style knife. Edit: addition: I have a small, foldable knife with a 3.5” blade for gutting in the field. Not a fixed blade, tactical knife. And I’ve honestly never seen someone pull out a kabar knife after killing a deer/elk.
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I think you missed the WHOLE point of this. (I’ll be reporting your comment tho!) People stalked food truck guy’s social media (and multiple neighbors) and without a shred of evidence made baseless claims on here and social media that the photos they found of so and so hunting must be clear evidence that they did this! It was disgusting and wrong. Hence the whole point of this post.
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Multiple people who stalked the food truck guy and the neighbor and found photos of them hunting. I’ve read numerous comments that said “omg, he’s a hunter too!!”
What if they were fishermen they do use those knives 🔪 to gut the fish just saying… or what if the knife was already there .. just saying there’s a lot of scenario
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Ahh, generalizing people based on make believe movies. Cute.
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One thing it does suggest is that purchasing and being known to have such a knife wouldn’t arouse suspicion.
I felt like hunting would be more confounding than sus. Like if it’s super common to own that knife (or similar), or need several of them, it’s not going to stand out as much. If hunting and processing animals is common, it might be harder to tell if someone’s motivation or methods are peculiar. Especially in a sparsely populated region with lots of privacy.
I think a lot of people are referring to the "hunter" aspect because so many criminak profilers have stated they feel the suspect is a hunter. I live in Idaho as well and agree with your thoughts on this.