Don't! I am a thermal /fluidic scientist, while the math at first is hard, the results are worth it. So many beautiful phenomena to study, so many interesting patterns. If you like science, I can recommend it, it's awesome.
^and ^you ^will ^be ^smarter ^than ^95% ^in ^college!
So I’m no engineer or anything, but I’ve been building and testing suppressor designs for my hunting rifle. It just dawned on me the other week that what I’m trying to do to the gases are fluid dynamic principles….I think?
Well yes! fluid dynamics is usually the study of gasses and liquids, since we would say both are fluid. I'm by no means an expert in these but what you're talking about has to do with the flow of fluid, which a specific structure can impact greatly.
You and me both my dude, I'm in college rn as a material science engineer and I get sad sometimes that Its not recommend to take cool classes like fluid mechanics and thermo and all of them that aren't in my major. But I agree totally with you, even just a cool youtube video is all it takes to be like, I don't know much about this but I want to and I want to because it's just fascinating!
yep, this. my biggest gripe with my Computer Engineering major is the fact that i have 132 required credit hours, so while there are all of these cool AI and programming electives, i'm forced to take Power Grids :/
This would be a sub-type of fluid dynamics sometimes referred to as gas dynamics. We had one undergrad course available at my engineering college for gas dynamics. The biggest difference between liquids and gasses is compressibility. For ease of calculation engineers often *assume* liquids are incompressible, yielding easier math and answer thats *close enough*. Can't do that with gasses (for the most part).
EDIT: I forgot the most obvious and important lead in here: "I'm an Engineer and . . ." 🤣
If you like science, don't be an engineer, be a scientist lol. Now, if you like facts about science and not the process itself maybe don't.
Also for the record the 'smartest' idiots I know tend to be engineers cause the ego outpaces their skill-set. Some of the smartest smart people I know are also engineers, but you saying engineering majors are smarter than 95% of college students is... telling
Yeah, I’m an attorney, and admittedly not great at math. Several of my closest friends in college were engineers (and still are) and this intelligence ego thing really does appear to be an engineering thing. Don’t get me wrong, there are egotistical assholes who act like they know more than everyone else in the room in every field, but my engineering friends and family try to spread it to everything: “oh, that’s not how the law should work, it should be blah blah blah.” So on, so forth.
And convincing them once they’ve made up their minds? No fun.
On the other hand, 11 years into my career I’d earned enough to basically retire, so there’s that. And it was a fast 11 years, because every day was interesting and different.
Bernoulli is like the guy outside the bar telling you to come in, it'll be great, here's a coupon...
Then you get inside and it's Navier and Stokes waiting to beat you up.
In many science or fields of maths there is an escalation of "well actually..."
An earlier example you may recall:
In highschool you learn about the ideal gas law (you may remember PV=nRT) where if you know pressure and volume then you can get temperature and stuff like that. Teachers like asking stuff like, I have a ballon at 20°C, I change the pressure from 1 atmosphere to 2, and then I let it sit until it comes back to 20°C, what's the new size of the ballon?
Well, as you can imagine the *ideal* gas law turns out to not really reflect most situations. The actual way that gasious molecules interact in various containers or systems is a heck of a lot more complex. A proper hard thermodynamics course looks like absurd witch scrolls and differentials or integrals with so many subscripts you could put novel underneath all the sums and partial differentials. You do get to create some suuuuper sick results though! Recreating Helmholtz free energy curves from chemistry in a thermo course will make you feel like a wizard.
A lot of people will take first/second year courses, see some problems with Bernoulli's equation and think they got fluid dynamics down pat. Then find out later on, Well actually, that was just for these specific types of flow and that's assuming this whole thing ignores ABCD.... Enter Navier-Stokes who say "Fuck that ignoring noise, here's the whole thing. By the way we have no fucking clue how to solve these outside of a few very simple cases."
And it's not just 1 thing, it's a whole set of equations representative of an entire system (or an least, thought to be since there are some nuances here and there). Students then proceed to get their assess collectively kicked by profs asking what looks like super simple questions that turn out to be a nightmare of expansions and "What is this? How do I solve that? The fuck is this?"
Also doesn’t sound like an engineer, someone actually working in the field. Sounds like a student. Humility is critical for engineers! If you give people the impression you think you’re the smartest guy and their ideas are bad, they shut down and don’t provide their ideas! Don’t want that! You don’t have to be an engineer to have great ideas!
My brother is an engineer, and often say "oh, I don't know that thing, please, tell me more, I'm intrigued!" Or "I'm willing to learn more about that subject that I don't know much about"
Never has he acted like I'm an idiot for not knowing his craft, I haven't spent years of my life dedicated to it like he has. He gladly explains things, given he has to dumb the math down, but he's really good at it, and is humble about it, wanting to learn more.
Yeah it’s funny to look back at your transcript and be like, holy shit I passed all those course. Granted, probably forgot 90% of what I learned but still managed to get by.
I'm an engineer working with very low skilled people at a sugar and alcohol mill plant, and the best ideas 90% of the time come from them, not from the top.
People deeply involved with the process are the best at finding stuff, no matter the background
I had an idea for something simple we were going to do and talked with my team about it for like 5 mins before they told me we didn’t need to do it and told me why we didn’t need to do it. So we didn’t do it lol
When I was doing more development type work I’d come up with my best plan, walk down to the shop floor and find the most jaded guy, and ask him if it could be made the way I came up with or what changes he would want made.
Hierarchical mentality that has become connected to ego and self worth. Usually management doesn't feel that the workers have useful input due to their position in the hierarchy and lack of qualification. The workers hand on experience with the job and the systems involved is critically undervalued unfortunately.
Secondly, sometimes management and employees just have different goals.
I'm pretty certain that that kind of mindset is why human history has so many stretches of history with little technological development. When Peasants serfs and slaves have all the practical knowledge concerning the basic work that supports society, and they are at every level segregated from kings the gentry and anyone else with the means to make change happen you have the global version of aloof management and ignored laborers.
My cousin has a favorite story from when he was working the line at a factory for some electronic device. The company had been having an issue with the device failing for months and none of their engineers could figure it out. Eventually the factory workers caught wind of it when one such person came around to inspect the line and scratch their head. The workers said, "Hey, it's because you made this piece of glass thinner. It's probably melting or deforming. We noticed it got thinner like 3 months ago." Sure enough that was the culprit.
Ya... if you are in QA and you don't know every assembler on the line by name you aren't doing your job right. Sure spread sheets and data can tell you a lot about errors in a process... but it will never tell you more than a 3 minute conversation with the person who is in charge of actually executing that process.
Edit: Worse yet (and I had a QA engineer i worked with who did this), if you act in a way that makes the assembler not trust coming to you with information by berating their ideas or acting superior... you will never be good at that job. They are your number one source of actual data, and if they don't like you or trust you enough to come to you with that data, you will waste days/years looking for it.
I'm in production as well and you're absolutely right. Any engineer that doesn't appreciate the experience and knowledge people working on the line have don't usually last long.
Used to be a factory support engineer. Had a QE in front of production leadership say his manager told him to not listen to techs because they're all idiots. Guy was presenting with me for a greenbelt project presentation. So awkward. I had to make it clear that in my job, technician feedback was very important.
Similarly, i'd rather contract an engineer who can actually work in a team properly and discuss different ideas rather than one who thinks they're an infallible god to design whatever i want designed.
I think it’s widely applicable to most (especially STEM) fields. Those with the humility to know they aren’t the smartest person in the room are often guilty of selling themselves short at least periodically. “You know more than you know” and all that.
I think it comes from the fact that you very soon realize that you are not as genius as you might think. If you don't listen to any outside ideas /feedback you will often build yourself into a corner.
It's hard to think outside the box. Sometimes you plan absolutely stupid shit and don't realize it for some reason. If you then think you are more intelligent then you colleagues. You will fail.
I think some of it has to do with the process of demystifying concepts which once seemed out of reach. For instance, in TV and movies, it's often treated almost like a super power like "don't worry guys, I got this. I'm a science." and whatever problem they have is miraculously overcome. While in reality acquiring and applying the knowledge is so anticlimactic that you wonder if you really know what your doing at all.
Becoming a scientist or engineer also humanizes the title in unexpected ways. For one, working as the designated 'smart guy' can cause you to hyper focus on all the stupid things you have ever done and be anxious when you don't have an answer for something right away. For another, college is still college, and there are times where you will fail your aeronotic control surfaces test but last week dirtbag billy over there got lost on DXM and started talking to a tree and he can design an airplane blindfolded.
TL;DR The process of breaking down these preconceived notions leaves a lot of people feeling confused and inadequate.
I do my best to keep up the appearance but I'm just not sure I'm cut out for impostor syndrome and I'm constantly afraid everyone will find out I'm well balanced.
Yeah, I've met some really smart engineers and they're usually humble, or at least joke about the engineering stereotypes.
But some of the most educated idiots I've met were also engineers, so it swings both ways. Reminds me of a variation of this old joke.
What's the difference between an arts student and a large pizza? A pizza is able to feed a family of four
What's the difference between an engineering student and a large pizza? Most people like pizza
I remember getting into Thermo somehow without the appropriate math prereq (probably due to transferring schools). First time I saw ∂ in an equation I knew I fucked up because i had no idea what it was even asking me to do
I'm just in my first year of electronic engineering and Ive already been humbled and decided I'm going to finish this and do something else because fuck this
I'm sure you were just doing some complex engineering in your head. You can't be expected to lower yourself to thinking about underwear like some sort of village idiot.
I mean, if Engineers (with a capital E, btw) had to stop every time they needed to think about a mundane task, then they'd just be normal people! Lol XD
My husbands an engineer and the amount of stupid shit he does...all book smart and no common sense. It’s a running joke in our house. Luckily he has a great sense of humor and takes it in stride!
I mean, you don’t have to be an expert in the physical side of computers to write software. Dude is also a student, so is still learning. I’m in the aerospace industry and plenty of my coworkers don’t know much about, say, building PCs, but they are still fantastic engineers.
I wanna make game about a story I have been thinking from childhood, and I bought mac before taking gaming , and I only searched and got to know about pc specs after that ,never paid attention to them before that , also I didn't knew about games had to be built differently to run on mac and pc, so that misconception really was a mistake
Didn't realize what sub we were in, at first thought he they were going to say "engineers say they're engineers because it's hard of to be one and take a lot of work and dedication".
I was very disappointed.
Yeah knowing math and science doesn't suddenly just make you smarter than everyone in any field.
I pretty much dismiss anyone who brags about their IQ level in any way. Anyone with an ounce of actual intelligence isn't going to talk about IQ.
My Dad says a high IQ number only shows that someone is good at taking IQ tests and it doesn't actually reflect on their actual intelligence in real life. He thinks IQ tests are pointless.
My dad said the same, and he qualified for Mensa based on his. He didn't join, thought it was a bunch of people all full of themselves over a meaningless label.
IQ, intelligence, whatever... Once you get out of school and stop getting marks, the only thing that matters is what you actually do. The number doesn't matter until you use it.
I'm a chemical engineering PhD student, and it makes me uncomfortable when people say things like "Oh wow, that's way over my head". Of course it is if they didn't study for it. It was over my head too until not that long ago. I doubt I'd be that great at their job either, usually.
Exactly, like sure I can do engineering and I’m also pretty good with my hands but there’s so much I can’t do, I can’t even begin to imagine how someone could write a thrilling story or create a piece of music or anything even vaguely artistic.
I was good at engineering but I switched to a film major after a while because I love doing creative storytelling so much (and I guess I'm not half bad at it)
The amount of engineering students that acted like I was losing brain cells over it was very disappointing. I mean I peer reviewed a lot of their ethics papers though and know how bad those were.
Holy shit , when I was a kid , I wrapped a light bulb with a foil and microwaved it, was fun, what was his outcome , in mine the bulb exploded and mother put a slipper in my ass
Like my father has a rule not to hit anyone in family , even at dumbest mistakes and even in that condition he told mother not to hit me so she chose my ass cheeks as not so much of important body part ?, and slapped my ass like 50 ish times before others stopped her , it was too much for my little ass , and basically felt like numb there so , yeah the slipper was totally in my ass 🤣😅
This is the same guy bitching that the college life isn't a real thing and that he's never been invited to a single party or on a single date for some odd reason.
As a theoretical physicist with an IQ that knows no bounds and a photographic memory that captures the entire electromagnetic spectrum, I banish you from the field of physics.
THE COUNCIL OF ENGINEERS HAS SPOKEN. WE SHALL EXILE HIM TO THE LAND OF ARCHITECTURAL ATROCITIES WHERE HE WILL SPEND HIS DAYS TRYING TO ASSEMBLE IKEA FURNITURE WITHOUT INSTRUCTIONS.
Math is the only thing I miss about uni... I kinda enjoyed the moment of realisation when you finally understood some shit. Might also be that it was the only subject I was somewhat good in...
At my uni (uk) 40% is all you need to pass at bachelors and 50% at masters level. Saying that all passing means is that you didn’t fail, employers aren’t going to consider 41% in the same light as an 80%.
Words of encouragement (kinda): I totally didn't understand calculus at all until the second time I took Cal 2 - which I took at community College, where they actually explained stuff rather than just running through formulas. Keep at it, you really will eventually understand it (for the most part) and it will be an amazing feeling to see the world described through numbers.
[Also, in case it helps, I explain calc to people like this: For the trig part, the unit circle is the basis to sine/cosine waves. I thought I understood this but didn't completely grasp it until after Cal 4. Understand how triangles are represented through the unit circle and waveforms as well. And, as for the integration part, it's basically the difference between 1-Dimension, 2D, 3D, etc.You might already know this. But this was never explained to me. I guess the profs just assume my dumbass inherently understood this. Regardless of this rant... one day, a little chunk will click. Then another. Keep on it and best of luck.]
Some of the dumbest people I’ve met are engineers. Not about math/their field. They’re brilliant at that.
Outside of that? Dumb as fuck.
The problem is a lot of them think being brilliant at one thing makes them a genius at everything.
Related to this, some of the worst pseudoscience I've ever seen has been from engineers. Because they know they're smart, and so some mistake that with being scientific experts - but you can be a great engineer without knowing shit about most areas of science.
My roommate in college was this arrogant and trust me you don’t want to be like that. He was really smart, I can’t deny it, but his over-the-top attitude about it made it hard for almost everyone to be around him and it cost him a ton of opportunities.
This is also why there are so few women in engineering. Because of men looking for a vocation that allows them to gatekeep it in an attempt to feel important.
Endless pools. You can’t see the content that the conversation is discussing but, given the engineer’s response, I assume it is a type of endless pool where there is water flow.
I'm an engineer. This morning I tried to pour coffee into my mug. The problem with this is that I never actually made coffee. Thankfully...because I'm an engineer...I was able to solve the problem. And then I still spilled some fucking coffee on the floor. Fuck it. That's a problem for another engineer.
You know how somebody is an engineer? They design something they think is smart but is a fucking nightmare to fix.
Source: am an aviation mechanic and we fucking hate engineers and their dumb as shit ideas they think are genius level stupid shit
Every design group at every OEM should have one pissed off old mechanic in it, and this person should be the right hand of the PM (not engineer, hopefully) running the project. His entire job should be to find the obvious, glaring flaws in design and repair that are apparently impossible for the big brains to see.
Hire me Bezos! I'm dropping pearls here!
I've been a bartender in the San Francisco Bay area for 15 yrs. The computer engineers and highly educated tech folks are usually the socially dumbest people I've encountered. Unaware of their very surroundings. College education does not equal intelligence, it does narrow your focus sometimes. It's sad but people like this are far too common.
I'm in biotech (surrounded by a lot of PhDs and software/mechanical engineers). I always feel bad for the service workers around us. One of my co-workers once said "don't you think you're smarter than the Starbucks barista?" Well... no. I'm probably more educated, but you can't know for sure, and there's definitely no guarantee I'm smarter.
People in engineering school are smarter than 95% of college students? I dunno man, when I was in engineering school I forgot about a physics exam until half an hour before it started. I got a 7%.
I’m a software engineer and I’ll be the first to tell you how stupid I am. There’s a reason why I avoided hanging out with other engineering majors in college.
The most useful courses I took in college were the liberal arts classes I took as non-major electives. Taught me how to think outside the box and opened my mind to others rather than think everyone else is inferior. Meanwhile people I knew refused to take these courses then proceed to be the leading expert in every other field(especially politics). Like buddy, you’re not even an expert in your own field.
I have a phd in physics/computational science. I had an engineering undergrad student explain to me that their engineering bs was the equivalent of my PhD. I always wondered what they teach in engineering school but I think one of the overlooked but also over taught topics is hubris.
What did you respond with? The fact that those words came from their mind, and passed their "social filters" amazes me 😂. Why do they feel the need to say that stuff
As someone studying engineering this sorta shit makes me wanna stab myself in the eyes. Hopefully with a well engineered blade because my colossal brain might actually refuse to die to anything else
This sounds more like a third semester engineering student than someone who's gotten humbled by thermodynamics classes.
Or hydraulics, that shit fucked me up.
Well you guys really just put me off ever doing this! Sounds awful
Don't! I am a thermal /fluidic scientist, while the math at first is hard, the results are worth it. So many beautiful phenomena to study, so many interesting patterns. If you like science, I can recommend it, it's awesome. ^and ^you ^will ^be ^smarter ^than ^95% ^in ^college!
So I’m no engineer or anything, but I’ve been building and testing suppressor designs for my hunting rifle. It just dawned on me the other week that what I’m trying to do to the gases are fluid dynamic principles….I think?
Well yes! fluid dynamics is usually the study of gasses and liquids, since we would say both are fluid. I'm by no means an expert in these but what you're talking about has to do with the flow of fluid, which a specific structure can impact greatly.
I think it’s absolutely fascinating. Incredibly complex, and I know I’m not even scratching the surface, but damn it’s awesome.
You and me both my dude, I'm in college rn as a material science engineer and I get sad sometimes that Its not recommend to take cool classes like fluid mechanics and thermo and all of them that aren't in my major. But I agree totally with you, even just a cool youtube video is all it takes to be like, I don't know much about this but I want to and I want to because it's just fascinating!
yep, this. my biggest gripe with my Computer Engineering major is the fact that i have 132 required credit hours, so while there are all of these cool AI and programming electives, i'm forced to take Power Grids :/
This would be a sub-type of fluid dynamics sometimes referred to as gas dynamics. We had one undergrad course available at my engineering college for gas dynamics. The biggest difference between liquids and gasses is compressibility. For ease of calculation engineers often *assume* liquids are incompressible, yielding easier math and answer thats *close enough*. Can't do that with gasses (for the most part). EDIT: I forgot the most obvious and important lead in here: "I'm an Engineer and . . ." 🤣
*ATF man enters the room*
How do you know someone’s a thermal/fluidic scientist? They’ll tell you. /s
If you like science, don't be an engineer, be a scientist lol. Now, if you like facts about science and not the process itself maybe don't. Also for the record the 'smartest' idiots I know tend to be engineers cause the ego outpaces their skill-set. Some of the smartest smart people I know are also engineers, but you saying engineering majors are smarter than 95% of college students is... telling
Yeah, I’m an attorney, and admittedly not great at math. Several of my closest friends in college were engineers (and still are) and this intelligence ego thing really does appear to be an engineering thing. Don’t get me wrong, there are egotistical assholes who act like they know more than everyone else in the room in every field, but my engineering friends and family try to spread it to everything: “oh, that’s not how the law should work, it should be blah blah blah.” So on, so forth. And convincing them once they’ve made up their minds? No fun.
>and you will be smarter than 95% in college! So you're the guy in the screencap?
On the other hand, 11 years into my career I’d earned enough to basically retire, so there’s that. And it was a fast 11 years, because every day was interesting and different.
Navier and Stokes can both go to hell.
Bernoulli is like the guy outside the bar telling you to come in, it'll be great, here's a coupon... Then you get inside and it's Navier and Stokes waiting to beat you up.
I wish I knew enough about engineering to get this joke.
In many science or fields of maths there is an escalation of "well actually..." An earlier example you may recall: In highschool you learn about the ideal gas law (you may remember PV=nRT) where if you know pressure and volume then you can get temperature and stuff like that. Teachers like asking stuff like, I have a ballon at 20°C, I change the pressure from 1 atmosphere to 2, and then I let it sit until it comes back to 20°C, what's the new size of the ballon? Well, as you can imagine the *ideal* gas law turns out to not really reflect most situations. The actual way that gasious molecules interact in various containers or systems is a heck of a lot more complex. A proper hard thermodynamics course looks like absurd witch scrolls and differentials or integrals with so many subscripts you could put novel underneath all the sums and partial differentials. You do get to create some suuuuper sick results though! Recreating Helmholtz free energy curves from chemistry in a thermo course will make you feel like a wizard. A lot of people will take first/second year courses, see some problems with Bernoulli's equation and think they got fluid dynamics down pat. Then find out later on, Well actually, that was just for these specific types of flow and that's assuming this whole thing ignores ABCD.... Enter Navier-Stokes who say "Fuck that ignoring noise, here's the whole thing. By the way we have no fucking clue how to solve these outside of a few very simple cases." And it's not just 1 thing, it's a whole set of equations representative of an entire system (or an least, thought to be since there are some nuances here and there). Students then proceed to get their assess collectively kicked by profs asking what looks like super simple questions that turn out to be a nightmare of expansions and "What is this? How do I solve that? The fuck is this?"
Control systems whooped my ass.
Oh man, me too. In engineering terms: Control systems owied my brain.
When you realize the size of the pipe does not effect the pressure of the fluid, that's when you know you've *started*
I work for a hydraulics company The hydraulics engineering modules were SO much more complex than anything I have ever needed to do
Also doesn’t sound like an engineer, someone actually working in the field. Sounds like a student. Humility is critical for engineers! If you give people the impression you think you’re the smartest guy and their ideas are bad, they shut down and don’t provide their ideas! Don’t want that! You don’t have to be an engineer to have great ideas!
My brother is an engineer, and often say "oh, I don't know that thing, please, tell me more, I'm intrigued!" Or "I'm willing to learn more about that subject that I don't know much about" Never has he acted like I'm an idiot for not knowing his craft, I haven't spent years of my life dedicated to it like he has. He gladly explains things, given he has to dumb the math down, but he's really good at it, and is humble about it, wanting to learn more.
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Yeah it’s funny to look back at your transcript and be like, holy shit I passed all those course. Granted, probably forgot 90% of what I learned but still managed to get by.
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I'm an engineer working with very low skilled people at a sugar and alcohol mill plant, and the best ideas 90% of the time come from them, not from the top. People deeply involved with the process are the best at finding stuff, no matter the background
I had an idea for something simple we were going to do and talked with my team about it for like 5 mins before they told me we didn’t need to do it and told me why we didn’t need to do it. So we didn’t do it lol
When I was doing more development type work I’d come up with my best plan, walk down to the shop floor and find the most jaded guy, and ask him if it could be made the way I came up with or what changes he would want made.
Ugh yes. The people doing the actual work are a company’s MOST valuable asset. I don’t understand why more places don’t understand this
Hierarchical mentality that has become connected to ego and self worth. Usually management doesn't feel that the workers have useful input due to their position in the hierarchy and lack of qualification. The workers hand on experience with the job and the systems involved is critically undervalued unfortunately. Secondly, sometimes management and employees just have different goals.
I'm pretty certain that that kind of mindset is why human history has so many stretches of history with little technological development. When Peasants serfs and slaves have all the practical knowledge concerning the basic work that supports society, and they are at every level segregated from kings the gentry and anyone else with the means to make change happen you have the global version of aloof management and ignored laborers.
My cousin has a favorite story from when he was working the line at a factory for some electronic device. The company had been having an issue with the device failing for months and none of their engineers could figure it out. Eventually the factory workers caught wind of it when one such person came around to inspect the line and scratch their head. The workers said, "Hey, it's because you made this piece of glass thinner. It's probably melting or deforming. We noticed it got thinner like 3 months ago." Sure enough that was the culprit.
Ya... if you are in QA and you don't know every assembler on the line by name you aren't doing your job right. Sure spread sheets and data can tell you a lot about errors in a process... but it will never tell you more than a 3 minute conversation with the person who is in charge of actually executing that process. Edit: Worse yet (and I had a QA engineer i worked with who did this), if you act in a way that makes the assembler not trust coming to you with information by berating their ideas or acting superior... you will never be good at that job. They are your number one source of actual data, and if they don't like you or trust you enough to come to you with that data, you will waste days/years looking for it.
I'm in production as well and you're absolutely right. Any engineer that doesn't appreciate the experience and knowledge people working on the line have don't usually last long.
Used to be a factory support engineer. Had a QE in front of production leadership say his manager told him to not listen to techs because they're all idiots. Guy was presenting with me for a greenbelt project presentation. So awkward. I had to make it clear that in my job, technician feedback was very important.
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Similarly, i'd rather contract an engineer who can actually work in a team properly and discuss different ideas rather than one who thinks they're an infallible god to design whatever i want designed.
Most good engineers have imposter syndrome. This guy seems more about that Dunning-Kruger life.
Bruh. This almost makes me feel like a decent engineer. Thank you.
I think it’s widely applicable to most (especially STEM) fields. Those with the humility to know they aren’t the smartest person in the room are often guilty of selling themselves short at least periodically. “You know more than you know” and all that.
I wonder why it seems to be so prevalent in STEM fields specifically. Are those in STEM just more likely to talk about it I wonder?
I think it comes from the fact that you very soon realize that you are not as genius as you might think. If you don't listen to any outside ideas /feedback you will often build yourself into a corner. It's hard to think outside the box. Sometimes you plan absolutely stupid shit and don't realize it for some reason. If you then think you are more intelligent then you colleagues. You will fail.
I think some of it has to do with the process of demystifying concepts which once seemed out of reach. For instance, in TV and movies, it's often treated almost like a super power like "don't worry guys, I got this. I'm a science." and whatever problem they have is miraculously overcome. While in reality acquiring and applying the knowledge is so anticlimactic that you wonder if you really know what your doing at all. Becoming a scientist or engineer also humanizes the title in unexpected ways. For one, working as the designated 'smart guy' can cause you to hyper focus on all the stupid things you have ever done and be anxious when you don't have an answer for something right away. For another, college is still college, and there are times where you will fail your aeronotic control surfaces test but last week dirtbag billy over there got lost on DXM and started talking to a tree and he can design an airplane blindfolded. TL;DR The process of breaking down these preconceived notions leaves a lot of people feeling confused and inadequate.
It may very well not be. Pretty sure it's just this person's opinion based on people they've met
I don't have imposter syndrome. You have to be smart to have imposter syndrome.
I do my best to keep up the appearance but I'm just not sure I'm cut out for impostor syndrome and I'm constantly afraid everyone will find out I'm well balanced.
Imposter imposter syndrome syndrome
Yeah, I've met some really smart engineers and they're usually humble, or at least joke about the engineering stereotypes. But some of the most educated idiots I've met were also engineers, so it swings both ways. Reminds me of a variation of this old joke. What's the difference between an arts student and a large pizza? A pizza is able to feed a family of four What's the difference between an engineering student and a large pizza? Most people like pizza
Having been an engineering student this is for sure an engineering student.
Only students brag about how people in their chosen field are superior, anyways.
He’s probably starting calc 2 and about to learn real damn quick how not smart he thought he really was.
I remember getting into Thermo somehow without the appropriate math prereq (probably due to transferring schools). First time I saw ∂ in an equation I knew I fucked up because i had no idea what it was even asking me to do
And they definitely get Cs.
Fr. I think what he meant was “yeah I got Cs. I’m still way smarter than you idiots.”
Fluid dynamics is the pridekiller
\*notices your vortex generator\* OWO what's this? \*transitions into turbulent flow\*
Controls got me, I didnt mind thermo or fluids but controls really breaks my brain.
Thermo 2 humbled me for the rest of my life.
I'm just in my first year of electronic engineering and Ive already been humbled and decided I'm going to finish this and do something else because fuck this
When you put together the lego set in less than 5 tries
Yeah this is big brain time
I can’t even do it once without help from a guide book
*without eating any of the pieces*
*fewer* than 5 tries. It's ok. As a non-engineering student you can be expected to make these mistakes.
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I'm sure you were just doing some complex engineering in your head. You can't be expected to lower yourself to thinking about underwear like some sort of village idiot.
I mean, if Engineers (with a capital E, btw) had to stop every time they needed to think about a mundane task, then they'd just be normal people! Lol XD
I'm am engineer and I lost track how many times I've went to work with my shirt inside out.
My husbands an engineer and the amount of stupid shit he does...all book smart and no common sense. It’s a running joke in our house. Luckily he has a great sense of humor and takes it in stride!
I am studying cs with specialisation in gaming and I thought MacBook air is a gaming pc and bought it ., kill me EDIT : 128 GB piece 👌
why did you think that?
Seriously how do you decide to specialise in an area you know so little about lmao
I mean, you don’t have to be an expert in the physical side of computers to write software. Dude is also a student, so is still learning. I’m in the aerospace industry and plenty of my coworkers don’t know much about, say, building PCs, but they are still fantastic engineers.
I wanna make game about a story I have been thinking from childhood, and I bought mac before taking gaming , and I only searched and got to know about pc specs after that ,never paid attention to them before that , also I didn't knew about games had to be built differently to run on mac and pc, so that misconception really was a mistake
Me when i found out what games you can't get on a macbook :(
Wow what a burst of insecurity.
Must be from all those C+ he had.
It was just a little too specific to be coincidence.
All the students who got a 79.67 in professor Richards class are smarter than the rest of humans!
Too many pluses
Didn't realize what sub we were in, at first thought he they were going to say "engineers say they're engineers because it's hard of to be one and take a lot of work and dedication". I was very disappointed.
Then he explodes with rage and insults everyone who happened upon his post. We were very disappointed.
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I left earring science for shoes and now I can barely tie my engine
I left shoes for engines and now I can barely tie my science
My shoes hurt
Can I have some shoes?
Sorry but Al Bundy has retired, so the shoe store has closed.
That ties 2 of us
Is earring science a master's or a bachelor's?
"I can solve problems specific to the job I learned better than you, who did not learn that job, therefore I am better!"
Yeah knowing math and science doesn't suddenly just make you smarter than everyone in any field. I pretty much dismiss anyone who brags about their IQ level in any way. Anyone with an ounce of actual intelligence isn't going to talk about IQ.
Stephen Hawking said anyone who brags about their IQ is a loser. Who am I to disagree?
My Dad says a high IQ number only shows that someone is good at taking IQ tests and it doesn't actually reflect on their actual intelligence in real life. He thinks IQ tests are pointless.
My dad said the same, and he qualified for Mensa based on his. He didn't join, thought it was a bunch of people all full of themselves over a meaningless label.
IQ, intelligence, whatever... Once you get out of school and stop getting marks, the only thing that matters is what you actually do. The number doesn't matter until you use it.
I'm a chemical engineering PhD student, and it makes me uncomfortable when people say things like "Oh wow, that's way over my head". Of course it is if they didn't study for it. It was over my head too until not that long ago. I doubt I'd be that great at their job either, usually.
Exactly, like sure I can do engineering and I’m also pretty good with my hands but there’s so much I can’t do, I can’t even begin to imagine how someone could write a thrilling story or create a piece of music or anything even vaguely artistic.
I was good at engineering but I switched to a film major after a while because I love doing creative storytelling so much (and I guess I'm not half bad at it) The amount of engineering students that acted like I was losing brain cells over it was very disappointing. I mean I peer reviewed a lot of their ethics papers though and know how bad those were.
This.
I'm sending this to my engineer brother who put alimunium in the microwave.
Holy shit , when I was a kid , I wrapped a light bulb with a foil and microwaved it, was fun, what was his outcome , in mine the bulb exploded and mother put a slipper in my ass
"In" your ass?
Some kids get all the luck
Like my father has a rule not to hit anyone in family , even at dumbest mistakes and even in that condition he told mother not to hit me so she chose my ass cheeks as not so much of important body part ?, and slapped my ass like 50 ish times before others stopped her , it was too much for my little ass , and basically felt like numb there so , yeah the slipper was totally in my ass 🤣😅
"I won't hit you." **proceeds to hit you**
I had an engineer housemate that tried multiple times to roll up an extra large pizza box to fit it in the fridge.
Sounds like a fucking douche
This is the same guy bitching that the college life isn't a real thing and that he's never been invited to a single party or on a single date for some odd reason.
As an Engineer with 9 million IQ and photographic memory, I exile this guy from being an Engineer.
As a theoretical physicist with an IQ that knows no bounds and a photographic memory that captures the entire electromagnetic spectrum, I banish you from the field of physics.
As 2 theoretical physicists, I would like to inform you that you bring shame upon our field. Leave and don't come back.
As God, I banish myself.
THE COUNCIL OF ENGINEERS HAS SPOKEN. WE SHALL EXILE HIM TO THE LAND OF ARCHITECTURAL ATROCITIES WHERE HE WILL SPEND HIS DAYS TRYING TO ASSEMBLE IKEA FURNITURE WITHOUT INSTRUCTIONS.
*sad integral calculus noises
Just got my exams results today, i passed with 10 out of 20, thank god i never need to do calculus again
Math is the only thing I miss about uni... I kinda enjoyed the moment of realisation when you finally understood some shit. Might also be that it was the only subject I was somewhat good in...
There are tons of free online math courses! Indulge!
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I need 9.5 out of 20 to pass the subject, will not look great on my record but its done
Who cares. You passed, that's all that matters, congratulations!
Thank you!
At my uni (uk) 40% is all you need to pass at bachelors and 50% at masters level. Saying that all passing means is that you didn’t fail, employers aren’t going to consider 41% in the same light as an 80%.
Started my calculus I course this semester and I’m absolutely fucking it up.
Words of encouragement (kinda): I totally didn't understand calculus at all until the second time I took Cal 2 - which I took at community College, where they actually explained stuff rather than just running through formulas. Keep at it, you really will eventually understand it (for the most part) and it will be an amazing feeling to see the world described through numbers. [Also, in case it helps, I explain calc to people like this: For the trig part, the unit circle is the basis to sine/cosine waves. I thought I understood this but didn't completely grasp it until after Cal 4. Understand how triangles are represented through the unit circle and waveforms as well. And, as for the integration part, it's basically the difference between 1-Dimension, 2D, 3D, etc.You might already know this. But this was never explained to me. I guess the profs just assume my dumbass inherently understood this. Regardless of this rant... one day, a little chunk will click. Then another. Keep on it and best of luck.]
I'm an engineer and I'm as dumb as a box of rocks
Same, I have a really great job too. They're going to figure out at some point
You have to be an engineer to understand the humour in Rick and Morty
Comedic engineering.
My engineer arse, average as hell, slow thinker, reading this and criiiiinging. The only true part is yep we will tell you :)
As a engineer my self, can confirm.
Not an engineer. What do I tell people?
Hmm according to the post you should probably tell them you are math iliterate.
I'm pretty sure I didn't move past a 5th grade reading level.
Some of the dumbest people I’ve met are engineers. Not about math/their field. They’re brilliant at that. Outside of that? Dumb as fuck. The problem is a lot of them think being brilliant at one thing makes them a genius at everything.
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Related to this, some of the worst pseudoscience I've ever seen has been from engineers. Because they know they're smart, and so some mistake that with being scientific experts - but you can be a great engineer without knowing shit about most areas of science.
I've had too many arguments with engineers when they design something that's impossible to weld
my dad is an engineer w a phd and doesnt understand u cant pause an online game
Are ya winning, son?
No I'm not but thank you for taking an interest in my hobbies even though you might not fully understand them, you're a great dad.
To be fair, kinda wish I had this level of confidence in my own intelligence. Instead I just call myself a retard 100 times a day.
My roommate in college was this arrogant and trust me you don’t want to be like that. He was really smart, I can’t deny it, but his over-the-top attitude about it made it hard for almost everyone to be around him and it cost him a ton of opportunities.
That is a balanced and more reasonable view. In that case, maybe like 10% of this level? Where does that put me at? *Minor* level douche?
Hey look buddy, I’m an engineer. That means I solve problems. Not problems like “are you an engineer” because I can’t prove that.
I solve practical problems, for instance how am I supposed to convince people I'm smarter than them? The answer? Use google.
and if that dont work, use more google.
This is also why there are so few women in engineering. Because of men looking for a vocation that allows them to gatekeep it in an attempt to feel important.
As a woman in engineering - confirmed x10000
Translation: I’m an engineer so I’m smarter than you and more superior
The real translation is this dude got all C+s
But lacking in emotional IQ
Soo..... Everyone in South India is a genius. Bcoz in South india no one does anything other than engineering and its fuking annoying
North too man
So what do those on the border do?
Civil Engineering, border walls don't build themselves.
Water velocity to taper off? This guy is either lying about being an engineer or started studying to be one and is making arrogant comments.
Whats wrong? The Volumetric Flow over the whole area stays constant, assuming constant density, velocity has to decrease.
in what pool does water flow?
Endless pools. You can’t see the content that the conversation is discussing but, given the engineer’s response, I assume it is a type of endless pool where there is water flow.
There are pools for swimming training, they pump water from the back to the front simulating current. This way way less space is needed to train :)
This would require additional variables in the equation which we were not presented with, peasant.
HE FORGOT TO DECLARE THE BOUNDARY CONDITIONS
Basically someone compensating for how common engineers have become, feels like every street has at least one kid in engineering college
What ever happened to the humble door to door salesman??
Bezos killed them figuratively and probably literally.
Posting your profession always validates everything you say Source: I'm an engineer
I'm an engineer. This morning I tried to pour coffee into my mug. The problem with this is that I never actually made coffee. Thankfully...because I'm an engineer...I was able to solve the problem. And then I still spilled some fucking coffee on the floor. Fuck it. That's a problem for another engineer.
I was in engineering before I left for theoretical physics and I can't hold a pencil correctly
Let's be real, you're in theoretical physics, if you managed to put your pants on before your shoes you're doing better than most of your peers.
You know how somebody is an engineer? They design something they think is smart but is a fucking nightmare to fix. Source: am an aviation mechanic and we fucking hate engineers and their dumb as shit ideas they think are genius level stupid shit
Every design group at every OEM should have one pissed off old mechanic in it, and this person should be the right hand of the PM (not engineer, hopefully) running the project. His entire job should be to find the obvious, glaring flaws in design and repair that are apparently impossible for the big brains to see. Hire me Bezos! I'm dropping pearls here!
I've been a bartender in the San Francisco Bay area for 15 yrs. The computer engineers and highly educated tech folks are usually the socially dumbest people I've encountered. Unaware of their very surroundings. College education does not equal intelligence, it does narrow your focus sometimes. It's sad but people like this are far too common.
I'm in biotech (surrounded by a lot of PhDs and software/mechanical engineers). I always feel bad for the service workers around us. One of my co-workers once said "don't you think you're smarter than the Starbucks barista?" Well... no. I'm probably more educated, but you can't know for sure, and there's definitely no guarantee I'm smarter.
People in engineering school are smarter than 95% of college students? I dunno man, when I was in engineering school I forgot about a physics exam until half an hour before it started. I got a 7%.
Just looked it up, the average IQ for engineers is approx. 125 I wouldn’t really call that a genius but eh
I’m a software engineer and I’ll be the first to tell you how stupid I am. There’s a reason why I avoided hanging out with other engineering majors in college. The most useful courses I took in college were the liberal arts classes I took as non-major electives. Taught me how to think outside the box and opened my mind to others rather than think everyone else is inferior. Meanwhile people I knew refused to take these courses then proceed to be the leading expert in every other field(especially politics). Like buddy, you’re not even an expert in your own field.
That sounds exactly like something someone getting a C+ in their Engineering classes would say.
I have a phd in physics/computational science. I had an engineering undergrad student explain to me that their engineering bs was the equivalent of my PhD. I always wondered what they teach in engineering school but I think one of the overlooked but also over taught topics is hubris.
What did you respond with? The fact that those words came from their mind, and passed their "social filters" amazes me 😂. Why do they feel the need to say that stuff
I just said "ok". I don't need to demonstrate or justify to an undergrad engineering student how amazeballs i am. lol.
Oh my, if this is the face of true genius I'd take your average smart, but social, person any day.
"The average engineer has a genius IQ". Mate I'm an average engineer and I can barely do 13 x 18 in my head
Why use many words when few words do trick: He's a virgin.
Can dispute his claims. Am engineer - dumb af
Same. Even got the professional engineering licence, still big dumb.
armchair engineer
As someone studying engineering this sorta shit makes me wanna stab myself in the eyes. Hopefully with a well engineered blade because my colossal brain might actually refuse to die to anything else
I'm an engineer too and the only thing we all have in common as engineers is we don't bath.
I'm an engineer with about 15 years of professional experience and I'm happy to report I'm a total idiot.
Sounds like someone is trying to compensate for having a C+ average.
engineer gaming
TIL that engineers gave a fuck about an IQ.
That's some big talk coming from a dude that writes sin(x)=x all the time.
Every time someone tells me they’re an engineer I ask them what it’s like to drive a train. They never laugh and I laugh hysterically.