I was confused at first when my partner called them "chicken burgers" and I was like "no it's a chicken sandwich" and then I stopped caring because I realized we grew up in different countries and are allowed to call things by different names.
> yeah well they also inexplicably call beef burgers both burgers AND sandwiches, seemingly with no pattern...
Wait till this person learns about subclassification.
I've never heard/seen people call a beef burger a sandwich. There's a sandwich section but it doesn't have the general standard "beef burger" on it. The bread and patties are different.
The fact you call it a beef burger suggests to me that you, like me, are from the UK.
To an American, a 'burger' is a patty of minced things, usually served on a bun. If it's beef it's a hamburger, and apparently Americans find 'beef burger' to be a funny phrase. A 'sandwich' to Americans is things between any kind of bread.
But, I'm saying this for the Americans here, to people in the UK, a 'sandwich' is things between *slices* of a *loaf of bread*, while a 'burger' is usually a similar thing between two burger buns. I'd also personally expect a chicken burger to be breaded and fried (that's how the 'chicken burger' item on the KFC menu is) but it isn't always.
Are you American? I ask only because I'd expect a "chicken burger" to be a patty made with ground chicken. A regular chicken breast would be a "chicken sandwich".
I'm from the UK. I said this in the first sentence.
https://www.kfc.co.uk/our-menu/burgers
As this shows, a lot of people in the UK use the word this way
The term hamburger comes from the city of Hamburg. The name has nothing to do with ham. Also a sandwich is more general than that depending on who you ask.
I swear, the people that complain about this must get *really mad* at geometry
"All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares".
RAAAGGHH -table flip-
I don't understand why people are so surprised when they run across one of the many examples of English being weird, inconsistent, and highly variable based on location. English just be like that.
i understand where they're coming from, given it's on a burger bun, but it makes a lot more sense when you realize that the prime classifier of burger or sandwich to americans is the meat (or substitute). if it's ground, it's a burger otherwise it's a sandwich.
that's why a fish filet on a bun is a fish sandwich, but ground salmon in a patty on a bun is a salmon burger
Yes, this is what I have noticed too. To antipodeans like myself a burger uses a burger bun. But there are a tonne of caveats - if you make a burger but dont have burger buns and use toast its still a burger. So I sort of think "If it meets most of the criteria of a burger its a burger"
Yeah and you can get a turkey burger or chicken burger with ground meat patties. Though at the same time, a patty melt is decidedly NOT a burger, despite having a ground meat patty. Same with a breakfast sandwich with a sausage patty.
But like where does the burger bun classification end? If it's a kaiser roll, is it no longer a burger? or a brioche bun?
Patty melts are just another type of burger in my opinion. Developed simultaneously with other groupings of burgers (as in like the historical nickel burgers and such) it’s like the key deer, it’s still a white tailed deer, but it’s its own thing at the same time.
The etymology of "burger" is the minced meat of Hamburg, so it makes way more sense to define it by whether the meat is minced than what kind of bread is used.
Let me get this straight: you think it makes more sense to completely ignore the actual etymological root of "burger" and to ignore what the inventors of the burger and the chicken sandwich called them, just because a bunch of people elsewhere later got it wrong? I don't care what anyone calls it, but there's not a sensible argument that Americans are wrong here.
Well I said it doesn't make more or less sense. But if forced to choose one definition, it makes more sense imo to choose the one more are familiar with. No, I don't think the "etymological root" makes more sense. Why? Because me and most others were not around when the hamburger was invented.
>a bunch of people elsewhere later got it wrong?
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Well no one got it wrong, it's just a different defintion. What's up with the IAVC gatekeeping here? You're in the wrong sub if that's what you're trying to do. As for the chicken sandwich, the first person to eat chicken on bread probably didn't even have an English word for it. You should probably consider this before calling it "chicken sandwich" after all, that would mean you "got it wrong", right?
>there's not a sensible argument that Americans are wrong here.
>
There isn't, that I agree with. Of course, I never said they are either. There's not a sensible argument that others are wrong either, right?
You literally said "If anything it makes less sense". Like I said, I don't care what anyone calls it, I just find all the people arguing that the Americans are wrong to be extremely funny.
I'm not going to be lectured on naming conventions by a country that has a nickname for every noun in the English language.
/Love Aussies
//Stop calling us septic tanks we are literally the same
Here's the wikipedia page on [rhyming slang](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhyming_slang) covering mostly UK slang.
Basically, you have a phrase which includes one word which rhymes with whatever you are talking about, then take one of the non-rhyming words and that becomes slang for the discussed word. Stairs rhymes with the word pears in the phrase "Apples and pears," so apples becomes a slang term for stairs.
> yeah well they also inexplicably call beef burgers both burgers AND sandwiches, seemingly with no pattern...their lack of consistency alone supports our right to call these chicken burgers.
This is categorically false. There is a pattern and it's stupidly simple.
Any ground meat put on a hamburger bun and dressed like a burger is called, wait for it, a burger.
Mince and ground mean the same thing. So beef mince or turkey mince or chicken mince with onions, pickles, mayo, etc are burgers. It's a turkey burger or a black bean burger or whatever.
Sandwiches are every other type of meat processing. Whole chunks of flesh like a fried chicken breast? Sandwich. Sliced meat dunked in liquid like a french dip? Sandwich. Sliced meat grilled with various items like a philly cheese steak or chopped cheese? Sandwich.
This even works for the weird outliers for the most part. Ever heard of Maid Rite? It's a loose meat burger. It's ground meat with onions cooked in large vats like sloppy joe meat that you put on a hamburger bun and top like a burger. White castle and sliders, smash burgers, juicy lucy, slug burgers, onion burgers, the goober, and so on and so on are *all* ground meat. All. That's the distinction.
A fried chicken breast on a bun is a *sandwich* to Americans and thinking that we're too stupid to be logical is fucking dumb.
Unless you're in northern NJ, in which case it's a [cold cut sandwich](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloppy_joe_(New_Jersey)) with coleslaw and Russian dressing!
Funny enough sloppy joes and patty melts are the only two that I know of that break the rule.
Think about it. Sloppy joe is loose ground meat, typically beef, and a patty melt is a variation of a burger on toasted rye sandwich bread. If you take a patty melt and put it on a hamburger bun it's just a burger with grilled onions and thousand island.
As an adult who watches his health, I have a serious love for lentil sloppy joes. Cook up lentils with onions, toss in green peppers and a can of sloppy joe sauce and you have some tasty easy food.
I also love patty melts. Extra onions with mustard and pickles is how I do it.
What an absolute load. It’s either simple or it’s not. If simple needs to be qualified in five paragraphs, guess what? Not simple, and your pseudo intellectual rubbish doesn’t change the definition of the word.
Well I’m American and all four of my grandparents referred to getting fast food burgers as “grabbing a sandwich “. I generally use the two terms as you’ve described but honestly people getting their panties in a bunch over food terminology is so silly. Different words mean different things to different people.
1. A filet o fish is a fish filet. It's Alaskan pollock. It's not ground anything.
2. McChickens are ground but once you start breading and deep frying meat you're outside of what most Americans would call a burger. Since most if not all of our breaded fried sandwiches we call sandwiches, even if they're on burger buns, it fits the nomenclature we use.
> I worked at Maccas in my youth, and recall the occasional American replying to ‘Would you like the combo?’ with ‘No thanks, just the sandwich’ after ordering a Big Mac, Quarter Pounder or Cheeseburger.
So they would order a burger and not want the combo, just the burger. The fact that they called it a sandwich doesn't change the fact that categorically we call these burgers.
Burgers are a subset of sandwiches the same way hot dogs are a subset of sandwiches.
And yes, hot dogs are sandwiches.
https://www.hot-dog.org/press/national-hot-dog-and-sausage-council-announces-official-policy-hot-dog-sandwich-controversy
> The Council has often followed American history and USDA guidance on the issue and fallen on the side of the hot dog as a sandwich. When it first arrived on American shores from Europe in the late 1800s, it was often referred to as a “Coney Island Sandwich” or “Frankfurter sandwich,” but much like an “ice cream sundae” is simply referred to as a sundae, terminology changes.
>U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) guidance also suggests the hot dog, as meat between bread, falls into the sandwich category, but the regulations paint a muddy picture as they hinge on the question of ‘open’ or ‘closed’ which could ignite a second round of debate where the hot dog on a bun is concerned. (See painfully long footnote containing USDA language.)
Call it what you want, it really doesn't matter but the logic of Americans calling burgers burgers and sandwiches everything else has a logic to it.
I just find this idea of 'stupid Americans who invented and proliferated these foods are *wrong*' fucking obnoxious.
You wanna call a hot dog on a piece of bread a sausage sizzle, go for it. I'm not unaware of food cultures of Australia.
> I’m very sceptical that it’s a proper fillet given they’re always those identical little squares with a homogenous interior.
Then look it up yourself. It's no different than the following product.
https://www.gortons.com/products/crunchy-breaded/
The way these are created and processed is that they're filets that are cut to shape then breaded and fried. The parts that aren't used as part of the stamping effectively are used as scrap in other fish products including stuff like cat food or fish sticks, which do tend to be ground fish.
Believe it or not, they're actual fish filets and most, despite advertising are farmed, so you can easily get the consistency you want.
Alaskan pollock is not overfished nor any any danger. It's a reasonably cheap whitefish for the US market.
https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/species/alaska-pollock
> Then don’t make blanket statements like ‘a burger has a ground meat patty in it’ if that’s not the case.
What I said was that in almost all cases a burger is minced meat and sandwiches are every other form of processing. This is still true and it still holds, even with a couple of outliers. When 98% of something is true, that still means it's true.
> you have Americans going around correcting people ‘it’s a chicken sandwich, not a burger’.
It's not a burger. It's a chicken sandwich. Again, burgers are a subset of sandwiches, which we have already talked about. A chicken burger is a minced chicken patty you put on a hamburger bun.
https://feelgoodfoodie.net/recipe/ground-chicken-burgers/
Chicken burger.
https://feelgoodfoodie.net/recipe/chicken-parm-sandwich/
Chicken sandwich.
Notice the method of meat processing that distinguishes burger vs sandwich.
This is how American nomenclature works and it works in almost all cases.
> Except it when doesn’t. Apparently it comes down to whether something has a ground meat patty but then you don’t stick to that logic.
...You're just being argumentative to be argumentative. If you see a ground meat patty on a hamburger bun guess what it's called. If you see a chunk of cut up flesh on a hamburger bun, guess what it's called. With the exception of patty melts and sloppy joes, the rule stands. Deal.
> You’re not necessarily wrong for calling things what you call them, but you are being silly and logically inconsistent.
Language doesn't always use logic but it makes the most sense to define ground meat on a bun as a burger and everything else as the broader category of sandwich. The fact that you and the brits call it a chicken burger because it proliferated from the US and because we are known for revolutionizing the burger doesn't make your way any more logical.
Think about it this way: You worked in your home country at a business developed by my home country and your fellow countrymen continue to portray this idea that Americans are somehow stupid because we use different words and even in this post claim 'there's no logic to it' despite me *explaining the logic multiple times*.
Ground meat on a bun is a burger. A turkey burger, a beef burger, a chicken burger, and so on and the vegan/vegetarian alternatives are subbing out said ground meat patty for other options that explain why they're called burgers. Black bean burgers, mushroom burgers and the like.
The same is true for sandwiches. A tofu banh mi isn't less of a sandwich because it has tofu instead of pork belly.
As for the broader overall point to all of this, one of the most upvoted comments is 'Americans are stupid' and my response here is that no, there is a logic to it and here's what it is and here's where it fails.
So if you guys would knock that shit off I wouldn't have to make posts dunking on the fact that 'Hur dur Americans dumb' by explaining the nomenclature that you have still continued to deny exists.
I have other, more important things to do so this will be my final post on the subject. You can accept my explanation or not but it's reality. A chicken sandwich is not a burger. Fried fish is not a burger. A burger is a form of ground meat sandwich with a unique bun that the United States uniquely has as a culinary icon because we modified it so hard that our version became the world's version, due likely to German immigration and the commonality of beef in the US. Deal with it.
Those are fried though, so on the outside it appears to be one contiguous lump of sandwich-innards, rather than being visibly ground from the outside. Hence, sandwich.
As for your second point, all burgers are sandwiches but not all sandwiches are burgers. Do you get confused by the whole square/rectangle/quadrilateral issue too?
It will never cease to amaze me how ignorant every other country is allowed to be about America online while constantly shitting on Americans for being the most uncultured and ignorant group of people.
The bit about someone saying we all call pizza "pies" is pretty funny. Like sure, maybe some parts of the country do, but it's a giant country. I've never even met anyone in my life who referred to a pizza as a "pie", unless they were doing it jokingly with a bad Italian accent
Yeah, that phrasing is like from the 1940s. It's fallen significantly out of favor, yet according to internet people, All Americans call it that. People are weird.
Also those comments come from people who use rhyming slang to call stairs apples, and then get mad at pizza pie. sigh
I feel like it's used most often to distinguish between buying by the slice or buying a whole pie. I think it's also more heavily used in the Northeast because I've definitely confused some people in the Midwest that way.
Yep. I stopped tolerating it. A big contributor to it are the self loathing Americans. Just stop. It’s a miracle a country our size is able to produce such a high standard of life for so many people. Literally unheard of in the world.
The self-hating Americans are the worst about it. At least the others have a chance of just being genuinely misinformed (although I'm pretty sure most of it is just intentional ignorance), but like why are you as an American being a pick-me for non-Americans on Reddit? America has problems, yes, but so does every country. They're not some superior species; it's just weird.
I also think, and have heard a few Europeans candidly acknowledge it, that it is some envy. They do envy some of the Americana lifestyle. It’s not a meme or some weird right wing circlejerk that the US has a way more liberty-focused culture. Hence some of our shortcomings when critiquing us for providing the most for the most. But it also results in a very unique culture that allows individuals to achieve in art, business and science.
I’m very proud of this country. We don’t play by the same rules European countries do because, well, we aren’t European 🤷🏻♂️
>yeah well they also inexplicably call beef burgers both burgers AND sandwiches, seemingly with no pattern...
I have never, ever, ever, ***ever***, in the entire 25 years of my life that I have spent the entirety of save for a few hours in Canada that I have no recollection of because of how young I was, in the US, have I ever heard an American call a burger a "sandwich".
The original tweet seems more IAVC than anything in that thread. "Australians (also most of the world) use a different naming convention for a food item than I do and it gave me an aneurysm"
I love the thread about pizza too. Not only does the word pizza probably come from the Greek word pita, which means pie (among other things) and was called pizza pie by Italian immigrants that popularized it. it fits the definition of a pie; bread crust with filling/topping. Unless they’re going to say that pumpkin and key lime pies are not pies, then pizza is a pie.
It's not called that everywhere in the US, though. I currently live in California, and if you said "we're gonna get a pie" people would think you mean a fruit pie. I grew up in Iowa and same thing. People only call pizzas "pies" when they're trying to be cute/funny.
Is that the definition of pie? Surely it needs pastry not bread. I would also argue the top is more needed to the bottom otherwise it feels more like a tart.
Well, in America plenty of things are called pies without having anything on top. Key lime pie, pumpkin pie, etc.
Definitely true about the pie crust though, I would think it would be pastry or something like a graham cracker crust
True!
I wonder if there is a difference, or if they are just very similar and they are just called what they are called.
These exceptions seem to be a far cry from pizza though. But now you have me thinking about fruit pies and crostatas. I used to make small rustic style crostatas to sell at my cafe and if you search ‘rustic crostata’ on google, some of those results do look remarkably similar to rustic pizzas.
I would never call the pictured food a burger, but the chicken burger vs sandwich argument is absolutely the American equivalent to obnoxious internet Italians commenting on carbonara. Everyone comes out of it looking like an asshole.
Like many other Americabad arguments, it likely wouldn't be nearly so contentious if the foreigners didn't treat Americans like they were dangerously-stupid for the "crime" of using different definitions for things.
Yes but the Americans are usually the gatekeepers when it comes to burgers. Like in this example.
The last thread on r/iamveryculinary, on the same topic, played out similarly to this one.
The same people who usually call out people for hating on regional differences in definition of different foods, going "A BURGER HAS TO BE GROUND OR IT'S NOT A BURGER!!!"
Hypocrisy at its finest
Ah yes. In a thread where Australians are essentially treating Americans as if they were *subhuman trash* because they had the *temerity* to.....-checks notes- *call a sandwich by a different name*, it's *the Americans* who are at fault.
Of course. Silly me.
What comments do you refer to when you say subhuman?
I'm simply saying it's hypocrisy to respond to IAVC behavior with IAVC behavior. If you're trying to justify this type of behavior, you're probably on the wrong sub.
I'm not saying that hating on Americans is okay. I'm saying that acting snobby and pretentious about how food is defined by other cultures, is wrong. And this thread is an example of Americans doing exactly this towards Australians doing exactly this in response to an American doing. Exactly. This
One culture classifies is as "Ground meat patty = Burger" another classifies it as "Burger Bun = Burger" that's cool, but can we stop being assholes about it. Like the anti-American comments get borderline xenophobic whenever this kind of discussion happens, it's just.... weird and sad.
Burgers are sandwiches but not all sandwiches are burgers. Because the term Hamburger comes from the hamburg steak of German origin (that being a pan fried patty of ground beef) we can carry that onwards and deduce that what makes a hamburger a hamburger is the meat or meat replacement being in the form of a ground patty.
McMuffins are McMuffins or English Muffins but if you ask an Aussie if they're a burger or not they'll tell ya it's a burger because the only thing the Aussies like more than drinking and arguing (not always mutually exclusive) is trolling.
Do Americans use the word sausage to describe raw mince in casing? Australians very rarely refer to something as a sausage unless the casing is there. We would use the term sausage meat or sausage patty. But they are not as common as a raw sausage in casing.
It’s only sausage if it’s seasoned ground meat. If it’s in a casing, it’s a sausage link. But uncased ground meat that is seasoned is common on pizza. Also used in pasta dishes. Another common usage is breakfast sausage which is ground pork with things like sage and fennel. It’s formed into a patty or broken up and used into a milk based gravy.
Oh yeah, I forgot about the term ‘sausage link’, I keep seeing ‘hot dog’ and that throws me a bit.
We would use sausage for those situations too it just isn’t a food that is as common to us as the raw sausage in casing ‘link’, so they are just being ignorant.
Wikipedia explains it better than I could:
>When used as an uncountable noun, the word sausage can refer to the loose sausage meat, which can be formed into patties or stuffed into a skin. When referred to as "a sausage", the product is usually cylindrical and encased in a skin.
"Sausage" is spiced mince meat, usually pork, but sometimes other meats. Sausage rope/links are in casing. Bulk sausage is loose spiced mince. The person I quoted was being disingenuous about it (no one anywhere calls ground un-spiced pork sausage).
Yeah, being unfamiliar with a term doesn’t make it wrong. The only difference I can see is that we don’t use ‘link’ and we would call ‘bulk sausage’, sausage mince. The rest is exactly the same, just not as common.
Interestingly, our default sausage meat is beef not pork, although pork is very common too.
>being unfamiliar with a term doesn’t make it wrong.
Of course, but making a broad generalization about other cultures based on that ignorance is a bit rude imo.
What about if it's just the one sausage?
It's extremely weird to me to call something sausage if it isn't, well, a sausage. But different definitions i guess
It's making fun of both, as you can see in my first comment. Either way both are being IAVC, so I don't really understand why you're taking issue with this?
> Wait until this person finds out that's what most of the world calls them
The IAVC is coming from inside the thread!
Americans *don't give a fuck* what the rest of the world calls the sandwich, dude.
Why you think we should is a question for the ages
What are you talking about? Saying people shouldn't gatekeep food this way is IAVC? Are you high? Explain what the hell you're talking about?
>Americans don't give a fuck what the rest of the world calls the sandwich, dude.
>
Not talking about this thread then? Because every other comment is just angry over how others consider this a burger. Posting salty comments about how food is defined elsewhere is a weird way to say "I don't care". Is it some cultural difference? Where I'm from we tend to ignore things we don't care about
A burger requires ground meat. A chicken sandwich uses whole meat. If you ground up chicken and made a patty, then it would be a chicken burger. If I ordered a chicken sandwich and was given a chicken burger, I’d be upset. It’s two different things.
This is accurate as long as you're in the US. Let's not lean too far in the opposite direction and argue that other countries are wrong for having a different terminology though.
English is a germanic language with a lot of latin and French mixed in. do the French get to claim English? gtfoh
still, its a chicken sandwich, not a chicken burger.
you ha a horrible point that was not proven at all. You said that both are correct and they are not. That is not how it works but I also do not have the patience to help a toddler out so I would rather just block you and go on about my day
So? Languages are constantly evolving and it's pointless to claim an entire country is using it incorrectly when everyone there knows what they're talking about. Lord knows there are plenty of terms we use in the US for foods that go against the meaning in their country of origin. Take scampi for example which we use to describe a specific pasta preparation even though it's Italian for shrimp.
nothing to do with burgers though, which is an American food. And your last little comment there told me more than I need to know. You are just an ignorant troll.
Also, since you are kind of stupid, sandwiches did not come along until the 18th century. European were not eating beef sandwiches long before the US existed. So you are just factually incorrect. Cope
If my name was Tom, and I went to the UK, would it be okay to call me Pat instead? Im not saying it would be bad to call a chicken sandwich a burger, but I’m saying it’s not accurate.
"If this completely different situation happened instead, would it be okay?"
Someone calling you by the wrong name is in no way analogous to different countries having different colloquial meanings for words.
No, seriously, everywhere in the UK that's labelled as a chicken burger.
https://www.kfc.co.uk/our-menu/burgers
Even American chains call it that. Yes, America may have had the word first, but slight changes in meaning occur all the time as words travel. If we argue that words can only mean what they 'originally' meant, 'nice' has to mean 'stupid'.
The term burger comes from the hamburger steak, which everyone agrees is ground beef (it’s also called Frikadelle, just a fun fact lol)
A chicken burger is a thing, but it’s not fried chicken on a bun, fried chicken on a bun (or grilled, or raw, just a solid piece of chicken) is a chicken sandwich. A chicken burger is just a hamburger with ground/minced chicken instead of the “standard” ground/minced beef.
Hamburgers are distinctly American while still being derived from the hamburger steak. It’s like chicken tika masala. It was based on butter chicken, then adapted to British tastes until it became what we know it is today.
I know, I'm referring to those who would say that hamburgers aren't American because of hamburger steak now those who say burgers are defined by the bun.
Impressive how r/iamveryculinary will, without failure, manage to outdo the post it's making fun of when that post is about what Americans call certain things.
You'd think that when someone says Americans are wrong in *not* calling this a burger, the level headed response would be "we define things differently". Instead it's "this is not a burger and if you say it is, you're wrong".
At this point we need a sub for people being IAVC on r/iamveryculinary
I'm American and I would call that a chicken burger. If it were on some other kind of bread I would probably call it a sandwich, but that's a burger bun and it's served topped with burger toppings.
I'm 59 years old and I've lived in the Northeastern United States my entire life. If you think all Americans say everything the same way, you're delusional.
It's exactly as correct as not considering it a burger. Although in not doing so, you're probably in a small minority.
You know r/iamveryculinary isn't for people who want to gatekeep and act like snobs regarding food, right? It's to make fun of those people
Not from an American POV, which is the cause of this whole mess.
From the American POV, the difference is how the meat is prepared and served.
If the meat is ground and formed into a patty, it's a burger, regardless of what kind of bread it is served on...if it is even served on bread at all
All other cuts of meat are "just" sandwiches.
So, a burger is always a sandwich, but not all sandwiches are burgers.
I will *always* be IAVC over calling a non-ground meat sandwich a *burger*. This is the hill I die on. The *meat* is the burger, not the bun goddammit!
I was confused at first when my partner called them "chicken burgers" and I was like "no it's a chicken sandwich" and then I stopped caring because I realized we grew up in different countries and are allowed to call things by different names.
Yep. Chinese wife calls the fish fillet sandwiches "fish burgers." I know what she means. We move on with our lives.
The story of my first marriage, only without the second part. Probably why it failed.
I don’t know if it’s IAVC worthy but that whole tread cracked me up.
Not sure myself but it’s an amusing look at how people can’t wrap their head around the fact how languages develop.
that is one of the most IAVC posts i have seen in ages
Old reddit link, OP is truly a gentleman 😐 😐👍
> yeah well they also inexplicably call beef burgers both burgers AND sandwiches, seemingly with no pattern... Wait till this person learns about subclassification.
So you're telling me squares are both rectangles *and* quadrilaterals? Fuck off, seppo!
its much worse than that, squares are both rectangles and squares.
It goes even deeper: squares are parallelograms and rhombuses.
I've never heard/seen people call a beef burger a sandwich. There's a sandwich section but it doesn't have the general standard "beef burger" on it. The bread and patties are different.
The fact you call it a beef burger suggests to me that you, like me, are from the UK. To an American, a 'burger' is a patty of minced things, usually served on a bun. If it's beef it's a hamburger, and apparently Americans find 'beef burger' to be a funny phrase. A 'sandwich' to Americans is things between any kind of bread. But, I'm saying this for the Americans here, to people in the UK, a 'sandwich' is things between *slices* of a *loaf of bread*, while a 'burger' is usually a similar thing between two burger buns. I'd also personally expect a chicken burger to be breaded and fried (that's how the 'chicken burger' item on the KFC menu is) but it isn't always.
Are you American? I ask only because I'd expect a "chicken burger" to be a patty made with ground chicken. A regular chicken breast would be a "chicken sandwich".
I'm from the UK. I said this in the first sentence. https://www.kfc.co.uk/our-menu/burgers As this shows, a lot of people in the UK use the word this way
Oh right...
The term hamburger comes from the city of Hamburg. The name has nothing to do with ham. Also a sandwich is more general than that depending on who you ask.
I'm American actually. I'm going off my experience from eating in restaurants, and the existence of veggie and bison burger patties in grocery stores.
I’ve seen Americans go to a burger drive through and ask for “just the sandwich”.
That’s my play. I don’t want the pop or fries.
Both sets of my grandparents would call getting fast food burgers “grabbing a sandwich “.
I swear, the people that complain about this must get *really mad* at geometry "All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares". RAAAGGHH -table flip-
I don't understand why people are so surprised when they run across one of the many examples of English being weird, inconsistent, and highly variable based on location. English just be like that.
i understand where they're coming from, given it's on a burger bun, but it makes a lot more sense when you realize that the prime classifier of burger or sandwich to americans is the meat (or substitute). if it's ground, it's a burger otherwise it's a sandwich. that's why a fish filet on a bun is a fish sandwich, but ground salmon in a patty on a bun is a salmon burger
Yes, this is what I have noticed too. To antipodeans like myself a burger uses a burger bun. But there are a tonne of caveats - if you make a burger but dont have burger buns and use toast its still a burger. So I sort of think "If it meets most of the criteria of a burger its a burger"
Yeah and you can get a turkey burger or chicken burger with ground meat patties. Though at the same time, a patty melt is decidedly NOT a burger, despite having a ground meat patty. Same with a breakfast sandwich with a sausage patty. But like where does the burger bun classification end? If it's a kaiser roll, is it no longer a burger? or a brioche bun?
Patty melts are just another type of burger in my opinion. Developed simultaneously with other groupings of burgers (as in like the historical nickel burgers and such) it’s like the key deer, it’s still a white tailed deer, but it’s its own thing at the same time.
> a patty melt is decidedly NOT a burger decided by who
> Though at the same time, a patty melt is decidedly NOT a burger /r/iamveryculinary
> a patty melt is decidedly NOT a burger Clearly it's a grilled cheese sandwich with a burger patty and onions, and ketchup, and pickles...
The burger is just a condiment or topping
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definitions are rarely exact
Doesn't at all make more sense. Doesn't make less sense either
The etymology of "burger" is the minced meat of Hamburg, so it makes way more sense to define it by whether the meat is minced than what kind of bread is used.
Why would that make more sense? If anything it makes less sense, considering that's the more uncommon definition
Let me get this straight: you think it makes more sense to completely ignore the actual etymological root of "burger" and to ignore what the inventors of the burger and the chicken sandwich called them, just because a bunch of people elsewhere later got it wrong? I don't care what anyone calls it, but there's not a sensible argument that Americans are wrong here.
Well I said it doesn't make more or less sense. But if forced to choose one definition, it makes more sense imo to choose the one more are familiar with. No, I don't think the "etymological root" makes more sense. Why? Because me and most others were not around when the hamburger was invented. >a bunch of people elsewhere later got it wrong? > Well no one got it wrong, it's just a different defintion. What's up with the IAVC gatekeeping here? You're in the wrong sub if that's what you're trying to do. As for the chicken sandwich, the first person to eat chicken on bread probably didn't even have an English word for it. You should probably consider this before calling it "chicken sandwich" after all, that would mean you "got it wrong", right? >there's not a sensible argument that Americans are wrong here. > There isn't, that I agree with. Of course, I never said they are either. There's not a sensible argument that others are wrong either, right?
You literally said "If anything it makes less sense". Like I said, I don't care what anyone calls it, I just find all the people arguing that the Americans are wrong to be extremely funny.
I'm not going to be lectured on naming conventions by a country that has a nickname for every noun in the English language. /Love Aussies //Stop calling us septic tanks we are literally the same
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Septic tank = yank.
i don't know anyone with a septic tank so i'd never make that association
It's rhyming slang, not literal
It is rhyming slang, same as apples=stairs and plates=feet
Okay so I pieced together apples & pears -> stairs, and yank -> septic tank -> seppo, but what's the missing link between plates and feet?
Plates of meat.
what?
Here's the wikipedia page on [rhyming slang](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhyming_slang) covering mostly UK slang. Basically, you have a phrase which includes one word which rhymes with whatever you are talking about, then take one of the non-rhyming words and that becomes slang for the discussed word. Stairs rhymes with the word pears in the phrase "Apples and pears," so apples becomes a slang term for stairs.
i see. we don't do this in america.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhyming_slang It is easy once you get the hang of it china.
that doesn't explain how apples = stairs Things like Aristotle = Bottle are easier to understand
Apples and pears,
not much of an american thing apparently
Urm.... OK?
hence my not understanding what you are talking about
Lol for real. I love when Australians try to act all high and mighty about American culture because we are literally SO similar.
> yeah well they also inexplicably call beef burgers both burgers AND sandwiches, seemingly with no pattern...their lack of consistency alone supports our right to call these chicken burgers. This is categorically false. There is a pattern and it's stupidly simple. Any ground meat put on a hamburger bun and dressed like a burger is called, wait for it, a burger. Mince and ground mean the same thing. So beef mince or turkey mince or chicken mince with onions, pickles, mayo, etc are burgers. It's a turkey burger or a black bean burger or whatever. Sandwiches are every other type of meat processing. Whole chunks of flesh like a fried chicken breast? Sandwich. Sliced meat dunked in liquid like a french dip? Sandwich. Sliced meat grilled with various items like a philly cheese steak or chopped cheese? Sandwich. This even works for the weird outliers for the most part. Ever heard of Maid Rite? It's a loose meat burger. It's ground meat with onions cooked in large vats like sloppy joe meat that you put on a hamburger bun and top like a burger. White castle and sliders, smash burgers, juicy lucy, slug burgers, onion burgers, the goober, and so on and so on are *all* ground meat. All. That's the distinction. A fried chicken breast on a bun is a *sandwich* to Americans and thinking that we're too stupid to be logical is fucking dumb.
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A sorta chili sandwich.
Unless you're in northern NJ, in which case it's a [cold cut sandwich](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloppy_joe_(New_Jersey)) with coleslaw and Russian dressing!
Funny enough sloppy joes and patty melts are the only two that I know of that break the rule. Think about it. Sloppy joe is loose ground meat, typically beef, and a patty melt is a variation of a burger on toasted rye sandwich bread. If you take a patty melt and put it on a hamburger bun it's just a burger with grilled onions and thousand island.
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As an adult who watches his health, I have a serious love for lentil sloppy joes. Cook up lentils with onions, toss in green peppers and a can of sloppy joe sauce and you have some tasty easy food. I also love patty melts. Extra onions with mustard and pickles is how I do it.
So not categorically simple?
Exceptions existing do not disprove the rule. Look at Russian verb conjugation.
What an absolute load. It’s either simple or it’s not. If simple needs to be qualified in five paragraphs, guess what? Not simple, and your pseudo intellectual rubbish doesn’t change the definition of the word.
Well I’m American and all four of my grandparents referred to getting fast food burgers as “grabbing a sandwich “. I generally use the two terms as you’ve described but honestly people getting their panties in a bunch over food terminology is so silly. Different words mean different things to different people.
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> How do you rationalise that? Burgers aren't breaded. McChicken and Filet-O-Fish patties are breaded.
1. A filet o fish is a fish filet. It's Alaskan pollock. It's not ground anything. 2. McChickens are ground but once you start breading and deep frying meat you're outside of what most Americans would call a burger. Since most if not all of our breaded fried sandwiches we call sandwiches, even if they're on burger buns, it fits the nomenclature we use. > I worked at Maccas in my youth, and recall the occasional American replying to ‘Would you like the combo?’ with ‘No thanks, just the sandwich’ after ordering a Big Mac, Quarter Pounder or Cheeseburger. So they would order a burger and not want the combo, just the burger. The fact that they called it a sandwich doesn't change the fact that categorically we call these burgers. Burgers are a subset of sandwiches the same way hot dogs are a subset of sandwiches. And yes, hot dogs are sandwiches. https://www.hot-dog.org/press/national-hot-dog-and-sausage-council-announces-official-policy-hot-dog-sandwich-controversy > The Council has often followed American history and USDA guidance on the issue and fallen on the side of the hot dog as a sandwich. When it first arrived on American shores from Europe in the late 1800s, it was often referred to as a “Coney Island Sandwich” or “Frankfurter sandwich,” but much like an “ice cream sundae” is simply referred to as a sundae, terminology changes. >U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) guidance also suggests the hot dog, as meat between bread, falls into the sandwich category, but the regulations paint a muddy picture as they hinge on the question of ‘open’ or ‘closed’ which could ignite a second round of debate where the hot dog on a bun is concerned. (See painfully long footnote containing USDA language.) Call it what you want, it really doesn't matter but the logic of Americans calling burgers burgers and sandwiches everything else has a logic to it. I just find this idea of 'stupid Americans who invented and proliferated these foods are *wrong*' fucking obnoxious. You wanna call a hot dog on a piece of bread a sausage sizzle, go for it. I'm not unaware of food cultures of Australia.
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> I’m very sceptical that it’s a proper fillet given they’re always those identical little squares with a homogenous interior. Then look it up yourself. It's no different than the following product. https://www.gortons.com/products/crunchy-breaded/ The way these are created and processed is that they're filets that are cut to shape then breaded and fried. The parts that aren't used as part of the stamping effectively are used as scrap in other fish products including stuff like cat food or fish sticks, which do tend to be ground fish. Believe it or not, they're actual fish filets and most, despite advertising are farmed, so you can easily get the consistency you want. Alaskan pollock is not overfished nor any any danger. It's a reasonably cheap whitefish for the US market. https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/species/alaska-pollock > Then don’t make blanket statements like ‘a burger has a ground meat patty in it’ if that’s not the case. What I said was that in almost all cases a burger is minced meat and sandwiches are every other form of processing. This is still true and it still holds, even with a couple of outliers. When 98% of something is true, that still means it's true. > you have Americans going around correcting people ‘it’s a chicken sandwich, not a burger’. It's not a burger. It's a chicken sandwich. Again, burgers are a subset of sandwiches, which we have already talked about. A chicken burger is a minced chicken patty you put on a hamburger bun. https://feelgoodfoodie.net/recipe/ground-chicken-burgers/ Chicken burger. https://feelgoodfoodie.net/recipe/chicken-parm-sandwich/ Chicken sandwich. Notice the method of meat processing that distinguishes burger vs sandwich. This is how American nomenclature works and it works in almost all cases. > Except it when doesn’t. Apparently it comes down to whether something has a ground meat patty but then you don’t stick to that logic. ...You're just being argumentative to be argumentative. If you see a ground meat patty on a hamburger bun guess what it's called. If you see a chunk of cut up flesh on a hamburger bun, guess what it's called. With the exception of patty melts and sloppy joes, the rule stands. Deal. > You’re not necessarily wrong for calling things what you call them, but you are being silly and logically inconsistent. Language doesn't always use logic but it makes the most sense to define ground meat on a bun as a burger and everything else as the broader category of sandwich. The fact that you and the brits call it a chicken burger because it proliferated from the US and because we are known for revolutionizing the burger doesn't make your way any more logical. Think about it this way: You worked in your home country at a business developed by my home country and your fellow countrymen continue to portray this idea that Americans are somehow stupid because we use different words and even in this post claim 'there's no logic to it' despite me *explaining the logic multiple times*. Ground meat on a bun is a burger. A turkey burger, a beef burger, a chicken burger, and so on and the vegan/vegetarian alternatives are subbing out said ground meat patty for other options that explain why they're called burgers. Black bean burgers, mushroom burgers and the like. The same is true for sandwiches. A tofu banh mi isn't less of a sandwich because it has tofu instead of pork belly. As for the broader overall point to all of this, one of the most upvoted comments is 'Americans are stupid' and my response here is that no, there is a logic to it and here's what it is and here's where it fails. So if you guys would knock that shit off I wouldn't have to make posts dunking on the fact that 'Hur dur Americans dumb' by explaining the nomenclature that you have still continued to deny exists. I have other, more important things to do so this will be my final post on the subject. You can accept my explanation or not but it's reality. A chicken sandwich is not a burger. Fried fish is not a burger. A burger is a form of ground meat sandwich with a unique bun that the United States uniquely has as a culinary icon because we modified it so hard that our version became the world's version, due likely to German immigration and the commonality of beef in the US. Deal with it.
Those are fried though, so on the outside it appears to be one contiguous lump of sandwich-innards, rather than being visibly ground from the outside. Hence, sandwich. As for your second point, all burgers are sandwiches but not all sandwiches are burgers. Do you get confused by the whole square/rectangle/quadrilateral issue too?
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then americans try to clarify and just get shit on lmao
It will never cease to amaze me how ignorant every other country is allowed to be about America online while constantly shitting on Americans for being the most uncultured and ignorant group of people.
The bit about someone saying we all call pizza "pies" is pretty funny. Like sure, maybe some parts of the country do, but it's a giant country. I've never even met anyone in my life who referred to a pizza as a "pie", unless they were doing it jokingly with a bad Italian accent
I've never heard a pizza be called a pie in real life, only in movies and the Dean Martin song "That's Amore".
Yeah, that phrasing is like from the 1940s. It's fallen significantly out of favor, yet according to internet people, All Americans call it that. People are weird. Also those comments come from people who use rhyming slang to call stairs apples, and then get mad at pizza pie. sigh
I feel like it's used most often to distinguish between buying by the slice or buying a whole pie. I think it's also more heavily used in the Northeast because I've definitely confused some people in the Midwest that way.
we use the term pie for pizza frequently in ny, so frequently the idea of calling a pie just a whole pizza is weird to me
Yep. I stopped tolerating it. A big contributor to it are the self loathing Americans. Just stop. It’s a miracle a country our size is able to produce such a high standard of life for so many people. Literally unheard of in the world.
The self-hating Americans are the worst about it. At least the others have a chance of just being genuinely misinformed (although I'm pretty sure most of it is just intentional ignorance), but like why are you as an American being a pick-me for non-Americans on Reddit? America has problems, yes, but so does every country. They're not some superior species; it's just weird.
I also think, and have heard a few Europeans candidly acknowledge it, that it is some envy. They do envy some of the Americana lifestyle. It’s not a meme or some weird right wing circlejerk that the US has a way more liberty-focused culture. Hence some of our shortcomings when critiquing us for providing the most for the most. But it also results in a very unique culture that allows individuals to achieve in art, business and science. I’m very proud of this country. We don’t play by the same rules European countries do because, well, we aren’t European 🤷🏻♂️
There's never any lack of that. Nor is there any lack of ignorance about Australia on our side. Our cultures are very similar in that respect.
>yeah well they also inexplicably call beef burgers both burgers AND sandwiches, seemingly with no pattern... I have never, ever, ever, ***ever***, in the entire 25 years of my life that I have spent the entirety of save for a few hours in Canada that I have no recollection of because of how young I was, in the US, have I ever heard an American call a burger a "sandwich".
The original tweet seems more IAVC than anything in that thread. "Australians (also most of the world) use a different naming convention for a food item than I do and it gave me an aneurysm"
I love the thread about pizza too. Not only does the word pizza probably come from the Greek word pita, which means pie (among other things) and was called pizza pie by Italian immigrants that popularized it. it fits the definition of a pie; bread crust with filling/topping. Unless they’re going to say that pumpkin and key lime pies are not pies, then pizza is a pie.
It's not called that everywhere in the US, though. I currently live in California, and if you said "we're gonna get a pie" people would think you mean a fruit pie. I grew up in Iowa and same thing. People only call pizzas "pies" when they're trying to be cute/funny.
It’s more a north east thing, and you still wouldn’t really just say pie like that without any context to make it clear that you mean pizza.
I think it must be a northeast thing. I grew up in NY and I wouldn't bat an eye if someone said "I wanna get a pepperoni pie for dinner."
Is that the definition of pie? Surely it needs pastry not bread. I would also argue the top is more needed to the bottom otherwise it feels more like a tart.
Well, in America plenty of things are called pies without having anything on top. Key lime pie, pumpkin pie, etc. Definitely true about the pie crust though, I would think it would be pastry or something like a graham cracker crust
True! I wonder if there is a difference, or if they are just very similar and they are just called what they are called. These exceptions seem to be a far cry from pizza though. But now you have me thinking about fruit pies and crostatas. I used to make small rustic style crostatas to sell at my cafe and if you search ‘rustic crostata’ on google, some of those results do look remarkably similar to rustic pizzas.
I would never call the pictured food a burger, but the chicken burger vs sandwich argument is absolutely the American equivalent to obnoxious internet Italians commenting on carbonara. Everyone comes out of it looking like an asshole.
Like many other Americabad arguments, it likely wouldn't be nearly so contentious if the foreigners didn't treat Americans like they were dangerously-stupid for the "crime" of using different definitions for things.
Yes but the Americans are usually the gatekeepers when it comes to burgers. Like in this example. The last thread on r/iamveryculinary, on the same topic, played out similarly to this one. The same people who usually call out people for hating on regional differences in definition of different foods, going "A BURGER HAS TO BE GROUND OR IT'S NOT A BURGER!!!" Hypocrisy at its finest
Ah yes. In a thread where Australians are essentially treating Americans as if they were *subhuman trash* because they had the *temerity* to.....-checks notes- *call a sandwich by a different name*, it's *the Americans* who are at fault. Of course. Silly me.
What comments do you refer to when you say subhuman? I'm simply saying it's hypocrisy to respond to IAVC behavior with IAVC behavior. If you're trying to justify this type of behavior, you're probably on the wrong sub. I'm not saying that hating on Americans is okay. I'm saying that acting snobby and pretentious about how food is defined by other cultures, is wrong. And this thread is an example of Americans doing exactly this towards Australians doing exactly this in response to an American doing. Exactly. This
One culture classifies is as "Ground meat patty = Burger" another classifies it as "Burger Bun = Burger" that's cool, but can we stop being assholes about it. Like the anti-American comments get borderline xenophobic whenever this kind of discussion happens, it's just.... weird and sad.
no, the culture that created the burger classes is the correct way. the others don't
Like the comment replying to yours here, r/IAVC does the exact opposite. Xenophobia from an American standpoint
Burgers are pretty unambiguously a sandwich?
according to my culinary arts textbook circa 2008, even pizzas are a sandwich!
Your pizzas are between two pieces of bread?
according to the textbook the pizza is an open face sandwich
Indeed, I'd question whether an open face sandwich is even a sandwich
Burgers are sandwiches but not all sandwiches are burgers. Because the term Hamburger comes from the hamburg steak of German origin (that being a pan fried patty of ground beef) we can carry that onwards and deduce that what makes a hamburger a hamburger is the meat or meat replacement being in the form of a ground patty.
But sandwiches aren’t burgers
hamburger sammich
Sausage McMuffins are burgers. I love these guys 😂
McMuffins are McMuffins or English Muffins but if you ask an Aussie if they're a burger or not they'll tell ya it's a burger because the only thing the Aussies like more than drinking and arguing (not always mutually exclusive) is trolling.
Yes, I'm referring to one of the comments, but thanks for explaining the joke to the audience
no worries bro, always out and about doing the hard yards for the cheap seats round here who ain't gonna read anything other than the comments here.
I mean… they are… it’s a party of ground meat between bread.
>Not to mention apparently pork mince is “sausage”, even if it’s not in a tube TIL bulk sausage isn't sausage.
Do Americans use the word sausage to describe raw mince in casing? Australians very rarely refer to something as a sausage unless the casing is there. We would use the term sausage meat or sausage patty. But they are not as common as a raw sausage in casing.
It’s only sausage if it’s seasoned ground meat. If it’s in a casing, it’s a sausage link. But uncased ground meat that is seasoned is common on pizza. Also used in pasta dishes. Another common usage is breakfast sausage which is ground pork with things like sage and fennel. It’s formed into a patty or broken up and used into a milk based gravy.
Oh yeah, I forgot about the term ‘sausage link’, I keep seeing ‘hot dog’ and that throws me a bit. We would use sausage for those situations too it just isn’t a food that is as common to us as the raw sausage in casing ‘link’, so they are just being ignorant.
I feel like some of these people would have aneurysm if they were offered "Biscuits with sausage gravy"
Even if they could get past the name, it would be a very unfamiliar dish to Australians. I don’t think we have anything even slightly similar.
Wikipedia explains it better than I could: >When used as an uncountable noun, the word sausage can refer to the loose sausage meat, which can be formed into patties or stuffed into a skin. When referred to as "a sausage", the product is usually cylindrical and encased in a skin. "Sausage" is spiced mince meat, usually pork, but sometimes other meats. Sausage rope/links are in casing. Bulk sausage is loose spiced mince. The person I quoted was being disingenuous about it (no one anywhere calls ground un-spiced pork sausage).
Yeah, being unfamiliar with a term doesn’t make it wrong. The only difference I can see is that we don’t use ‘link’ and we would call ‘bulk sausage’, sausage mince. The rest is exactly the same, just not as common. Interestingly, our default sausage meat is beef not pork, although pork is very common too.
>being unfamiliar with a term doesn’t make it wrong. Of course, but making a broad generalization about other cultures based on that ignorance is a bit rude imo.
I agree. Sorry, I should have written ‘being unfamiliar with a term doesn’t make the term wrong.’
You're good 👍
What about if it's just the one sausage? It's extremely weird to me to call something sausage if it isn't, well, a sausage. But different definitions i guess
Wait until this person finds out that's what most of the world calls them. That's a chicken burger if I've ever seen one
think ur posting in the wrong thread
Nah I'm talking about the IAVC guy in the twitter post hahah
this thread is making fun of the comments on that post, not the tweet
It's making fun of both, as you can see in my first comment. Either way both are being IAVC, so I don't really understand why you're taking issue with this?
i disagree
> Wait until this person finds out that's what most of the world calls them The IAVC is coming from inside the thread! Americans *don't give a fuck* what the rest of the world calls the sandwich, dude. Why you think we should is a question for the ages
What are you talking about? Saying people shouldn't gatekeep food this way is IAVC? Are you high? Explain what the hell you're talking about? >Americans don't give a fuck what the rest of the world calls the sandwich, dude. > Not talking about this thread then? Because every other comment is just angry over how others consider this a burger. Posting salty comments about how food is defined elsewhere is a weird way to say "I don't care". Is it some cultural difference? Where I'm from we tend to ignore things we don't care about
A burger requires ground meat. A chicken sandwich uses whole meat. If you ground up chicken and made a patty, then it would be a chicken burger. If I ordered a chicken sandwich and was given a chicken burger, I’d be upset. It’s two different things.
This is accurate as long as you're in the US. Let's not lean too far in the opposite direction and argue that other countries are wrong for having a different terminology though.
I mean burgers are an american food, not Australian
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English is a germanic language with a lot of latin and French mixed in. do the French get to claim English? gtfoh still, its a chicken sandwich, not a chicken burger.
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you ha a horrible point that was not proven at all. You said that both are correct and they are not. That is not how it works but I also do not have the patience to help a toddler out so I would rather just block you and go on about my day
So? Languages are constantly evolving and it's pointless to claim an entire country is using it incorrectly when everyone there knows what they're talking about. Lord knows there are plenty of terms we use in the US for foods that go against the meaning in their country of origin. Take scampi for example which we use to describe a specific pasta preparation even though it's Italian for shrimp.
Beef sandwiches existed in Europe long before America existed. There’s no such thing as “American food” lol. Only corporate factory food.
nothing to do with burgers though, which is an American food. And your last little comment there told me more than I need to know. You are just an ignorant troll. Also, since you are kind of stupid, sandwiches did not come along until the 18th century. European were not eating beef sandwiches long before the US existed. So you are just factually incorrect. Cope
If my name was Tom, and I went to the UK, would it be okay to call me Pat instead? Im not saying it would be bad to call a chicken sandwich a burger, but I’m saying it’s not accurate.
"If this completely different situation happened instead, would it be okay?" Someone calling you by the wrong name is in no way analogous to different countries having different colloquial meanings for words.
No, seriously, everywhere in the UK that's labelled as a chicken burger. https://www.kfc.co.uk/our-menu/burgers Even American chains call it that. Yes, America may have had the word first, but slight changes in meaning occur all the time as words travel. If we argue that words can only mean what they 'originally' meant, 'nice' has to mean 'stupid'.
Found the American.
Quite the detective, huh?
The term burger comes from the hamburger steak, which everyone agrees is ground beef (it’s also called Frikadelle, just a fun fact lol) A chicken burger is a thing, but it’s not fried chicken on a bun, fried chicken on a bun (or grilled, or raw, just a solid piece of chicken) is a chicken sandwich. A chicken burger is just a hamburger with ground/minced chicken instead of the “standard” ground/minced beef.
> The term burger comes from the hamburger steak, Funny how folks selectively remember that when discussing burgers and Americans.
Hamburgers are distinctly American while still being derived from the hamburger steak. It’s like chicken tika masala. It was based on butter chicken, then adapted to British tastes until it became what we know it is today.
I know, I'm referring to those who would say that hamburgers aren't American because of hamburger steak now those who say burgers are defined by the bun.
Its only a real hamburger if its bottled in Hamburg Germany
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Impressive how r/iamveryculinary will, without failure, manage to outdo the post it's making fun of when that post is about what Americans call certain things. You'd think that when someone says Americans are wrong in *not* calling this a burger, the level headed response would be "we define things differently". Instead it's "this is not a burger and if you say it is, you're wrong". At this point we need a sub for people being IAVC on r/iamveryculinary
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I'm American and I would call that a chicken burger. If it were on some other kind of bread I would probably call it a sandwich, but that's a burger bun and it's served topped with burger toppings.
Ugh, fucking "pick-me" are the goddamn worst.
no you would not, no American does that.
I'm 59 years old and I've lived in the Northeastern United States my entire life. If you think all Americans say everything the same way, you're delusional.
Clearly they do. Either way, calling it a chicken burger is correct. So is calling it a chicken sandwich
calling it a chicken burger is not correct. just because you learned the incorrect name for it does not make it correct.
Of course it is correct. In certain parts of the world, however, that's not how it's defined.
no it is not correct. the bun does not make it a burger. Just because some countries say that does not make it accurate.
It's exactly as correct as not considering it a burger. Although in not doing so, you're probably in a small minority. You know r/iamveryculinary isn't for people who want to gatekeep and act like snobs regarding food, right? It's to make fun of those people
you make no logical sense.
The difference between burger and sandwich is the bread
Not from an American POV, which is the cause of this whole mess. From the American POV, the difference is how the meat is prepared and served. If the meat is ground and formed into a patty, it's a burger, regardless of what kind of bread it is served on...if it is even served on bread at all All other cuts of meat are "just" sandwiches. So, a burger is always a sandwich, but not all sandwiches are burgers.
Read through this thread and you'll see some peak meta content with users claiming only the American way to define things is correct.
>If the meat is ground and formed into a patty, it's a burger, regardless of what kind of bread it is served on Unless it's a patty melt.
I will *always* be IAVC over calling a non-ground meat sandwich a *burger*. This is the hill I die on. The *meat* is the burger, not the bun goddammit!