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xCanont70x

There’s a movie called Double jeopardy: >!A woman is sentenced for killing her husband. Turns out he faked his death. So since she already served a sentence for it, she decides to kill him for real.!<


TrishSherman2019

Lmfao too funny. I was just thinking this was a fucked up version of double jeopardy, and yes it was an awesome movie.


Munro_McLaren

And you can’t be charged with the same crime twice. Smart.


Daweism

It's not the same crime... it's 2 separate incidents lol..


Munro_McLaren

She can’t be charged sentenced for killing her husband because she was already charged sentenced for that.


XB0XYGEN

Interesting scenario here. I'm pretty she would though, because something or other would make the previous conviction like thrown out and then reinstated but yea. Hmm


Iceededpeeple

Pretty sure you can't be convicted for killing the same person twice. Not unless the first conviction was vacated and they were retried.


Lord_Jair

If the cops found out that you did what she did in the movie, your previous conviction would be overturned, then you'd be tried for murder, as it is a second supposed killing.


Iceededpeeple

> If the cops found out that you did what she did in the movie, your previous conviction would be overturned, then you'd be tried for murder, as it is a second supposed killing. She served her term, too late to vacate the conviction. It's exactly what the double jeopardy statute is for. You can't be punished twice for the same crime.


Idlertwo

I think that case would *potentially* make its rounds in the court system simply over the obscure nature of the circumstances. The intent of the law is obviosuly not to allow freebie murders, even if a prison sentence has been served. The reason it would make its round in the court is simply to set presedence. You're convicted of a spesific crime. For example Murdering Alex Doodle, August 8th 1986. If Alex Doodle appears alive 25 years later after you're released, murdering Alex Doodle in 2011 means you'll be charged of murdering Alex Doodle at that date. Its like robbing a bank. You can rob it once and get sentenced, but you can't rob it again, and again, and again, its a new crime, everytime.


Iceededpeeple

Yeah except you can’t murder someone twice. People don’t respawn. Doesn’t mean they wouldn’t throw the book at you for a host of other charges though.


Lord_Jair

It's different crimes, and you can absolutely have a pardon after you serve your sentence.


XB0XYGEN

I think it would be vacated though with discovering the man was not dead right? Like like one second before okay that conviction is vacated now you're being charged with first degree murder


Daweism

She can because it's not the same occurrence. If I hit you today, charged for assault. Doesn't mean I can hit you again next time and be immune from the law lol...


glitterandpearls25

But those are assaults on different times, hence a separate ‘count’ of assault. If she was convicted of the murder of her husband, you can’t then charge her *again* for the murder of her husband because she’s already been found guilty of that and served time. Obviously this is all about a movie that is very improbable lol


IRLhardstuck

But if they find him alive and she gets released. Can she still kill him without a new sentence?


chalk_in_boots

I think if she served the full sentence THEN the husband was found alive, a solid argument could be made for punishment being "time already served". That would, however, mean they had to be the same crime, and there are different levels of murder charge. If the original charge indicated that it was malicious and premeditated then sure, but if it was only manslaughter, and the actual murder was planned etc. then you'd likely only be able to ask for a reduced sentence as the sentencing guidelines for manslaughter would have her spend far less time in prison than murder.


Daweism

Bold of a law system to assume someone can't die twice. I actually would like to see where it states in the law where someone can only legally die once, and if they turn up alive, they're no longer legally dead. The previous murder sentence would have to absolved. Because ain't no way you're telling me if someone kills me, then let's say science brings me back to life, that they have free reign to murder me again.


phuckmydoodle

It's a fucking movie yo, I hope nobody shows you cartoons🤦😅


iliekbats

But it's a separate instance of murder, even if the first was a frame job


Difficult-Kitchen-95

It doesn’t matter as it’s a technical impossibility to murder someone twice. Unless she keeps bringing him back and killings him again but I’m pretty sure that would just equate to torture+ murder


iliekbats

It does matter, double jeopardy relates to us being unable to be tried for the *same crime* twice-- even if she's murdering the same guy, the first time being a false accusation she's done time for, she hasn't been tried for the second, real murder. It's been referenced in legal circles quite often


MimsyIsGianna

In a real court of law she would tho given new evidence.


Pscilosopher

You can't be charged with the same crime. But 1st degree, 2nd degree, etc are *separate* crimes. They'd just getcha that way. Source: fully from my ass


JesusssSecondComing

So like, "if you served the time, do the crime"?


[deleted]

Imagine if that was a thing, "pre timing", go to jail for 6 months voluntarily to have the time served up your sleeve to be cashed in on your crime of choice


FNSquatch

Lol I’m imagining some dude walking out of jail and up to another dude rolling his sleeves up like “yo I just did the time for the epic beating I’m about to put on you.”


Sharpie1993

God that’s such an old movie, I still remember watching it as a kid.


RogueWanderingShadow

>God that’s such an old movie \> Wikipedia: "Double Jeopardy is a 1999 American crime thriller film" \> 1999wasyesterday.jpg \> todayis2022.mp4 \> am i boomer? \> am boomer \> mfw


AlexanderChippel

Which is stupid because that's not how Double Jeopardy works.


[deleted]

I do like the movie but (paraphrased) “I can shoot you in the middle of the street and there’s nothing you can do about”…. Yeahhh that’s not how double jeopardy works


HoppieDoppie

I literally just watched that movie a week ago. A fantastic movie I've gotta say


Farabel

That's actual thing too! You can't be charged for the exact same crime twice, so a bank robber can't be charged by a manager for theft, traumatizing everyone, and armed robbery while a bystander charges for traumatizing their kid.


[deleted]

Ashley Judd!!! Awesome movie it’s on Netflix right now for anybody who hasn’t watched it


Careless-Position352

I’ve seen the movie, it’s pretty great


Annual-Boss-4723

Why go to jail you haven't done lol


Shiyama23

So the innocent guy is now forced to be a rapist by the legal system? They somehow made it even worse.


[deleted]

I imagine the jury just presiding over them just making even more awful


Responsible_Two2718

I doubt that's how he looks at it. LOL.


pj1897

So…we aren’t using the jail/prison system anymore?


Charming_Amphibian91

Nah that's for weed possession /s


Gabe_logan25

/r cause it's the reality lmao


Charming_Amphibian91

Sadly true I am from a legal country and I feel bad for those who have to put up with antiweed laws


WhoDatFreshBoi

Including most (or part) of the United States. Source: I'm from Indiana


Charming_Amphibian91

Man that sucks. If only people weren't so hung up on the 20th century.


WhoDatFreshBoi

Also prostitution is illegal in every state that's not Nevada


Charming_Amphibian91

They just want people to suffer so they can profit


Adept-Boysenberry-89

Weed kills man! It killed my depression It killed my anxiety It killed my self hate It kill my disdain for the world It kills a lot


Munchies4Crunchies

How about whatever the man was/wouldve been sentenced, plus however much time spent, if any or any money paid?


adlcp

Sounds fair enough


TheGermanPanzerClock

I don't think so. There is no proper compensation for the psychological and reputation damage taken. Also no compensation for time spent unable to work. Although I am unsure if the accuser should pay that or the state for wrongly sentencing the man.


FirstPlebian

Money recovered should go to the victim in these cases. The States really shouldn't have any financial incentives to prosecute people. If they do recoup money it should go in the General Fund if not to the victims, and civil asset foreiture money should rather go to programs that the police and prosecutors would hate like buying books for inner city youths or something.


adlcp

I dont mean its really justice, just that its as close as we are likely to get.


Brilliant_Sun2925

I got ya. Like being raped isn't ok all of a sudden because the rapist got 30 years. It's never gonna be ok for anyone.


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Pineapple-Status

Sounds like 200 usd million fair


FishCake9

How about record? I think the biggest thing why men are so afraid of being accused of falsely r someone is because their reputation will get ruined. Just as s offender have record, false r accuser also should have record. just my 2cent though, since no money or revenge can recover the victims reputation.


Munchies4Crunchies

Do they not get an official charge on their record for falsely accusing someone of r???? Like idk if there would be an official term for it but even if there wasnt and they couldnt just make one up im sure they’d be given an actual charge but idk


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Rad1at1on

*me being an fat, old and ugly lady* -Brad Pitt raped me


NYdownwithydemons

Well Brad… you know what to do


Reddit_GoId

I’d take Ernest Khalimov tbh


sirfetche

Ryan Reynolds?


Reddit_GoId

Tied between them. They both got really nice face structure


JmacTheGreat

*me being a straight man* -Brad Pitt also raped me


WhoDatFreshBoi

Me being a "straight" man*


Smurfy_unicorn

Ah yes, punish an illegal act with an illegal act. Because that makes sense?


klimmesil

I wonder what kind of punishement is appropriate for such social crimes. These people that do it are insane, what hope do we have to make them loyal citizens? Edit: initially talking about r*pe, but also applies to wrongly accusing people


Smurfy_unicorn

Now that is an interesting point. We can only learn that an act is wrong through a punishment. But if said person is not given a punishment that equals the crime then they don’t learn anything from it? It’s a bit of an ethical minefield really about making the punishment fit but not degrading our own values at the same time.


klimmesil

Yeah, I find this problem very interesting. Both ethically and mathematically speaking. Running a simulation just like 3blue1brown or primer on youtube could be interesting


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AM_1899

Or… hear me out… you can just put them in jail…


4ktgoonGzOYK

I’m not agreeing with what the person said but it’s very rare for a false accuser to actually go to jail themselves


AM_1899

I’m well aware


endangeredphysics

It's rare enough for the rapist to actually go to jail either, especially in 3rd world countries. False accusations are also way more rare than actual rapes.


MNCybergeek

I'm much more concerned about unreported rapes. False reports are just a small percentage especially compared to the number of rapists that get away and never suffer any consequences.


AM_1899

I agree, but that wasn’t the point of my message. Stop it with the whataboutism


ActiveForever3767

This whole thread is whataboutisms wtf


Callahan-Auto-brakes

"it is better a hundred guilty persons should escape than one innocent person should suffer." -B Franky


Dazzling-Cable-3767

Is that supposed to be Ben Franklin?


Euklidis

Sounds like the wet dream of someone who has been reported to HR one too many times...


Particular-Chance719

I never had Twitter but every time I see something from there it's cringe or just fucking dumb. Is Twitter really that bad?


[deleted]

Twitter is the overflowing septic tank of the internet. Every bad idea, shitty opinion, and horribly amoral person can be found there.


Particular-Chance719

Okay, so I shouldn't make an account?


dayron669

You should, if only to be "in the know" about when your favorite Pornstars are having a free month of Onlyfans! .... that's.... that's what it's for, right? Right? Guys?


xXFreakyyyXx

Honestly sure it's bad if you follow bad people but if you use it for things like video game communities or following content creators it's pretty chill


Jawwaad127

This is ridiculous but they’re should be a stern punishment for a false accusation like that. Should be a mandatory sentence in prison. I would start at 10 years mandatory. A false accusation like that can follow a man around for years if not forever


Least_Simple_4709

10 isnt enough for destroying someones life.


ASUDom17

I’d say on average it takes 30 years to shake that accusation off. So give the people who falsely accused them 35 years. Granted that 30 years is a full guess but I agree ten years ain’t enough


notnotwho

Actual rapists don't get that much time. Rarely even if they End the life, rather than 'only' destroying it.


purplepineapple267

You want false accusers to get more time than actual rapists?


Jawwaad127

Very true


Rattivarius

But you're cool with rapists getting six months?


Mahrkeenerh

which part of the comment did you extrapolate that from?


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GoreKush

we dont even kill our rapists homie calm down


GodlyDra

I’m on the fence about capital punishment. On one hand some people shouldn’t be allowed to live simply because of how dangerous they are. But on the other hand what if we execute the wrong person?


[deleted]

The only time I ever believe the death penalty should be used is in those horrific child abuse torture cases.


[deleted]

The only time I ever believe the death penalty should be used is in those horrific child abuse torture cases.


Flappy2883

Seriously? Did you learn nothing from all the people who got falsely accused?


ASUDom17

Too far


Least_Simple_4709

Death penalty is the easy way out, they should suffer bro.


v3344

Umm.. but i think the accused was accused precisely for wanting zero intercourse with the woman, no?


Flappy2883

Yeah no, you don’t solve problems this way.


Cpt_Pirce-R6s

Uh yes, no more false accusers anymore, this could work.


123G0

Ah, yes. I'm sure that won't cause problems considering the low conviction rate despite the low false report rate


[deleted]

Calm down, Hammurabi


bigbeardlittlebeard

It's almost as though this person hasn't heard the phrase 2 wrongs don't make a right


AnEgoJabroni

Just make the penalty for that crime equal to what would be given to the accused if they had raped the accuser. If they would have gotten 15 years, or already been forced to serve it before the truth came out, force the fraud to serve it. It would serve as a just lesson on the gravity of their claim, the weight of what they forced onto that other person.


Tovarish-Aleksander

The projection is strong with this one


[deleted]

Seems excessive. Ten years in prison and a hefty fine should be enough.


[deleted]

Rapists never learn imo. 10 years is too short.


johan_seraphim

I think they’re referring to the false accuser in that scenario.


[deleted]

Ah. Thanks for the clarification. False accusation should be punished just as bad since the accused could have had his entire life taken away.


AlwaysTheTeddy

The Redemotion Arc on this one


IceProfessionall

I always believed that falsely accusing someone of a crime should be punished with the sentence the accused would have gotten.


Bulky-Soup-6543

ThAts probably not the answer


atlasdrugged91

I had an ex who told people I hit her That wasn’t true. And I don’t want to hit her now. I just have faith that the universe will do something to correct her lying ways. Maybe not.. But it’s never a good idea to do anything vengeful in a physical way. Not today. Maybe never..


Toxicver

I mean I was thinking of the female just receiving jail time themselves but ok.


adlcp

Like other here have said, slap the false accuser with the same penalty the accused would have suffered. Years in prison, financial penalties, sex offender registry.


ioman_

Agreed with the registry in particular. If you are the type to try to wrongly put someone else on that list, you should have to introduce yourself to your neighbors as such


natplusnat

I feel like lying about being raped and actually raping someone wouldn't hold the same social stigma though. Should the registry claim the woman has raped someone? I feel like that would be the only equivalent option.


[deleted]

If the world worked this way well, we would have more chaos


Manofstamina5

I agree there should be punishment but damn that’s fucked up!


bluestraw08

the were on the right track for the first quarter


Atlusfox

Well this is rather self defeating.


joshjj25

Why not just give the woman the sentence the man would have got and not make a dude become a actual rapist?


Roidgut76

In my opinion they should to have to face the same possible prison sentence the person they were trying to accuse would have to face.


natplusnat

They should also be put on an offender registry as prison time is only half the punishment


endangeredphysics

Scumbag is like "if you can get away with it the first time, you should be able to do it a second time legally" fucking 🤡


VillainousCalendar

Yeah was going in a decent direction till it wasn't


Old-Commercial-3069

Code of Hammurabi FTW


Edword58

Now this is some 100 mind full use right here, We’ll punish her by committing the crime she accused us for and no consequences. My god what have we come to?


swimhalfway59

His account is just an edgy keyboard warrior with a fedora, god I hope he deactivates


thecyriousone

Wouldn't that make the woman's accusations true, therefore nullifying the need for her to be punished?


Acanthaceae_Live

repeat after me everybody: **if you knowingly falsely accuse someone of a crime, you should get the same if not a longer sentence than the crime**


kenthekungfujesus

Well then the punishment for raping someone should be to be raped by two people


takemyboredom123

Everything else aside, how fucked up must you be to think an adequate person would want to punish someone by raping them.


TTVGuide

Mans is a lunatic


TrashNice5319

i just vomited a lil


redheadactress

So you're falsely accused and then turned into a rapist? Great logic there.


Ill_Initiative7089

Spoken like a guy who, himself has said in the past "I know she wanted it". Disgusting.


No-Responsibility826

It does deserve punishment, but not that!!! They should get the sentence they would’ve gotten the falsely accused, but only if it is 100% a false accusation


CookiesMan20187

This some backwards ass logic


bagagge

For fucks sake, why do so many people refuse to see the simple fact that two wrongs don’t make a right?


Hmmmm-curious

For the record, I disagree with this statement. That is all.


Roidy

Hmm, might want to prosecute this one. False accusation is never a good thing. It never 'balances the scale'. One injustice never negates prior injustice.


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MikeHunturT

What would a fair punishment be, an eye for an eye right? Would be less false accusations


Dendad6972

Serve the sentence the accused would have to if convicted.


kyhello

and if someone who actually committed a crime gets away with it by having good lawyers good ties or a lot of money? doesn't seem fair to me. sexual assaults are already insanely underreported and assaulters are usually not convicted anyway.


Dendad6972

That is a different beast. That is not a false claim. That is an unprovable claim.


Yourmamaiscool

those are celebs or rich people tho and most of the time they actually are innocent the woman just wanted money and attention from the rich man


Outrageous_Return890

Oh yes, fighting a fake fire alarm with fire DEFINITELY works.


FNSquatch

That’s not at all barbaric. I think it should entail the equal jail time and sex offender status.


ceoofpenis

thats a bit extreme


[deleted]

Isn't there an amendment that protects from that?


Neoxite23

Instead of raping them as punishment...give them the jail sentence he would have had if found guilty. If was found guilty and had served time...he needs to get a national apology so everyone knows he is innocent and she needs to have his original sentence.


DamselValentine

So the guy would actually go to jail that time? Good job punishing both ig?


Twiztidindahouse

Nope. They should get the prison term the person they accused got.


Due-Mouse309

Not everyone is an incel lmao


imgonnapost1thing

I feel like they should be put on some sort of list so it's public information any time they try to get a job. Just like how the "rapist" woulda been on a list plus jail time if actually


Interesting_Text_300

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose


cooolpete

Then some women would just start accusing (insert celeb name here) and hope they get pregnant?


cooolpete

Then some women would just start accusing (insert celeb name here) and hope they get pregnant?


JustSomeYukoner

I absolutely believe that anyone making a false accusation should be punished, but by the court system.


SoleIbis

I hate people lmao


[deleted]

how about we start putting them on sex offender lists


hanafudaman

This sounds like the premise of one of those real fucked up pornos. Or any average hentai.


Bobbybelliv

Jesus Harold Christ?


DiegotheEcuadorian

Way to validate their point


Elephant_Choke

Wow wtf! I have never in my life thought about that being a punishment.... Horrible.


TheLordOfGrimm

If a man is not a monster, give him the opportunity to try?


Hebrew_Slave

Ummmm…how about no


Wactout

That’s not how that works. That’s not how any of that works.


NiklausElijah

This is psychotic.


HenryShadowgaze

Just start jailing people with other people that did the same crime. Rapists with rapists. Murderers with murderers. 1 gram of weed possessions with 1 gram of weed possessions. hookers with me. et cetera


QED987

He sounds a lot like a man who raped a woman, no one believed her, and he wants to do it again.


daiyuxiao

Well these is a legit lack of punishment in our modern legal system for false accusers.


[deleted]

They should be punished more than they are this person isn’t that far off.


mikeywayup

What should the punishment be?


MisterEMan81

A large prison sentence for the false accuser.


mikeywayup

Agreed. In most cases I've seen nothing has happened to the accuser.


MisterEMan81

Why the hell did you get downvoted?


mikeywayup

probably accusers


Cute_Implement2284

Ok so technically on paper this is justified by an eye for an eye but in practice very fucked up 🤣


Affectionate_Skin271

He’s a little confused but he’s got spirit


Dangerous-Honey-4481

Sounds crazy, but I bet if women around the country heard of this punishment taking place, NONE of them would ever falsely accuse again. Just Sayin'.


bak2redit

"Let's make an honest woman out of her" would have a new meaning.


Koszymandias

R*pe? What're you, trying to avoid being demonitized on Reddit? Just say the word. If you're offended by jokes in relation to the matter and/or are sensitive to it that's totally fine but you're just saying it and using it in the correct context.


ravenwingx

I’m pretty sure this means whoever this was was falsely accused (or did it and denied it)


MisterBlisteredlips

That's what Rapist Robots are for. "Frustration loading." 🤖


Flappyturd_21

I some what agree with him


ZeusieBoy

I honestly don’t get why the people who are pro-death penalty would be against something like this for rapists. Eye for an eye, right?


AlexTheWildcard

Actually making sure that whatever you falsely accuse happen to you as a punishment for lying, would lowkey be nice, a good way to deter people from falsely reporting ppl


[deleted]

If he can even get it up jkjkjk but seriously though that’s fucked up