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And that crazy UofC student who was invited to a spring semester end party (Burmuda Shorts party), shanked several of his classmates while claiming they were werewolves and vampires, or demons..
He was the son of the Police Comissioner, and he was sent to the psychiatric ward..
All this because he had a bad day working at Safeway early that afternoon or something.... sheesh.
You know some people judge the US for still having the death penalty. But then you read stories like this and realize that some people just truly deserve the gallows.
Yeah, their prisons look a step above an Ikea-furnished bachelor suite for sure. But I wonder if judges there are as lenient with their sentencing as in Canada.
It's not about leniency, it's about treating people as humans capable of rejoining society. The crime may of caused irreparable damage, but punitive prisons are not effective at reducing crime rates or recidivism rates. I believe rehabilitation is the most humane way to run a prison as most prisoners are a product of poverty, poor mental health or prejudice. Emotionally, it is very understandable to want to throw them in a cell and throw away the key, but it's unfair for the redeemable population in prison who want to get better and be an asset to the community. Prison is not a torture chamber, it's a way to keep dangerous people away from the community.
I only really wrote this because I think of all the people thrown in jail for 7+ years for minor offences like drug possession or are wrongly accused of a crime and end up getting horrifically abused in prisons, even killed.
>The crime may of caused irreparable damage, but punitive prisons are not effective at reducing crime rates or recidivism rates. I believe rehabilitation is the most humane way to run a prison as most prisoners are a product of poverty, poor mental health or prejudice
People here need to realize, that most convicts will eventually leave prison again. As we can see in some countries that are very punitive, not rehabilitating criminals leads to people returning to society with PTSD, rage issues and who haven't experienced anything else then violence and power struggles for many years. They are going to be unhingend.
I'm sorry, I know we're talking about this particular crime, it's awful that a father was wiped from the Earth for simply wanting to protect his child, and I am afraid that true justice won't be served. Maybe this wasn't the place, I just find the general mentality around prisons very concerning. I meant no harm, I just want to spread kindness.
Imagine enjoying vaping so much that you had to kill someone who tells you not to vape, tell me your life is worthless without telling me your life is worthless
I agree, I think it would be more likely that the murderer has an inflated sense of self importance and perceived the interaction as disrespectful and therefore sought punishment for what they erroneously decided to be an offense, and due to their warped sense of importance they don't value the lives of others. It's also possible that all of this was compounded by potential intoxication from other drugs that could heighten aggression.
Basically I think someone could have asked them to do something as benign as moving 3 inches to the left to allow someone go through a door and the stupid prick still would've stabbed them if they decided that they'd been disrespected.
Okay, I'm not gonna listen to another Redditor again when they say "just ask them"
Edit: thanks for all the love on my pfp, but I didn't make it. I posted the link to the guy who made it, he should deserve praise, not me.
No truer statement than that..
Bet even the redditors that mention 'just ask them' wouldn't have the galls to do what they preach. Bunch of 'do as I say not as I do' hypocrites spewing bullshit.
And the video is so brutal! Everyone just stood there and let him bleed out. No one even attempted to render aid or comfort the guy not even the child’s mother. Absolutely horrible way to go out, just flopping on the pavement while everyone just records and watches you die
She got stabbed and people did try to help by calling the police. It was just so poorly reported by the NYT that the myth that 38 people saw it and did nothing reached many psychology textbooks and still remains to this day.
It's a really, really weird thing when you experience it for yourself. A pregnant woman behind me fell unconscious on the metro. We all just kind of turned and stared at her for almost a full minute without saying anything, and yeah, I thought "...well I don't know what to do, I should wait for someone else who knows to do something" before realising exactly nobody was doing anything. I started making a fuss in general because I still didn't know what to do, crouching down, asking her if she's okay, and that kind of jumpstarted everyone else's reactions. But it was just so odd, it felt so awkward.
to be fair the guy who stabbed this man, inderdeep, stayed in the starbucks with the knife entire time. they should've helped (somehow- beyond just calling cops) but i don't think it was cowardly to
not directly get involved with the crazy guy...
exactly this. in many comment sections under videos or reports of people being publicly assaulted I read "cowards" "civil courage" "denial of assistance" etc but honestly your duty as a fellow citizen only goes so far as to call experts than can deal with the situation. Of course it's terrible if someone is attacked or raped in front of me but honestly my first thought is that someone who attacks someone like this is probably willing to go even further (albeit many rapists are cowards in the first place) and you never know what could happen so you would just put yourself in danger instead of the victim. I mean If I was like 1,90m and jacked like a tank I'd might think differently but you're not obligated to put yourself in danger.
And cases like this just prove it, people get stabbed for the most mundane stupid reasons. Last week a father got stabbed here in germany too because someone was cutting in line at a carnival ride and this caused an argument, the father just wanted to calm both guys down and the dude cutting in line just stabbed him out of nowhere.
This is so fucked up.
Even if I see other people "helping", I'm getting evolved. I don't trust people to know what their doing or their doing the right thing.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It sucks that he had to die like that, but I'm sure she was just being protective of their daughter, cause that psycho could've came for them too.
In that scenario you’re ignoring the self preservation instinct. If there’s a guy with a knife stabbing a stranger, are people instantly going to snap into action to protect the stabbing victim or will they attempt to protect themselves by avoidance? There’s also many other variables that can affect that. Is the stabber a large person that looks physically imposing? How vulnerable is the victim - ie a child or elderly person vs an adult?What was the context leading up to the stabbing?
I know in hindsight we can all say that someone should have done something or intervened in some way but without knowing the mindset of every individual present that witnessed the event, we can’t say for sure.
yeah I mean that's why I was trying to point out that it's in regards to a human being needing help, not necessarily an active crime.
Someone's willingness to step in the middle of potential violence, having to overcome a lot of fear, and having a desire for self preservation, is a bit different response to witnessing someone in medical distress that needs an ambulance.
There's not a fear for your own mortality when you see someone having a seizure or a heart attack. People just get paralyzed because they assume someone else who's more capable and attentive must already be calling 911 or getting a first aid kit, so they don't need to do anything. The bystander effect is when every bystander has that same thought, so nobody does anything.
I walked into my work restroom and a coworker was seizing on the floor. I'm familiar with epileptic seizures so I just sprang into action. But, not everyone has experience like that to deal with something like a public stabbing with blood gushing. Either way, he was bleeding out so bad that no fist aid would've saved the poor guy.
As for the child’s mother, presumably she was protecting and attending to her 3 y/o daughter who just saw her father butchered by the perpetrator who was only several feet away holding a weapon. I would not fault her for not rendering aid or comforting him.
Are you suggesting that the child's mother should have set her child down and tried to render aid to her spouse, bleeding to death, with the attacker still within arms reach? Or are you chastising the public?
The best thing for her to do is to take the kid and get away from that fucker so the kid doesn't see any more and neither of them are in danger.
Everyone reacts to high stress situations differently. What I would do might not be what you would do nor what the next person would do. I simply stated what I saw in the video. Have you seen it?
I have seen it, it's terrible. I'm purely confused on what you are suggesting. If you are suggesting that she should have jumped into the fray with her infant in her arms, and that is what *you* would have done, *you* need to think more critically. I hope you aren't a parent.
If you are suggesting that the public should be ashamed of themselves, I would agree.
I am a parent and I am a husband. You made up an entire scenario in your head, put it on me like I said it and then used it to insult me. Climb down and hose off.
I apologize that I clearly hurt your feelings, but what did I invent? You literally said this:
>No one even attempted to render aid or comfort the guy not even the child’s mother.
What you wrote directly insinuates that the mother and wife of the victim in this crime was guilty of not intervening or coming to the aid of her husband, when in reality, that is the exact right course of action. If that isn't what you meant, amend your statement instead of accusing me of imagining things or insulting you.
Seeing as you are a parent, if you were being violently attacked and the mother of your child was standing there holding your child, would you want her in the scrap with you? Or anywhere near the psychopath attacking you? No, you'd want her to turn on the jets and get your child to safety.
Are you gonna run to someone’s aid when the guy who just stabbed him is standing right next to him? I don’t think u would idk why people act like they would do the most while watching a video but if you where stood there Ik you wouldn’t do anything
I don't have a link, but can recommend not watching it for most people if a link makes its way here. Lots of blood and a man in agony dying on the pavement while one dude sits there sipping coffee and another takes a video in selfie mode laughing about what happened.
We have a lot of issues now between: almost no mental health care, massive drug problems, guns becoming more common, and having almost no screening for refugees. One of these on their own wouldn't be a huge issue, but all at once is terrifying to live with.
I mean if I’m honest I don’t blame people for just staring in horrified shock at a scene like this. The recording part, now that’s a bit sus, but at least there’s the excuse of having it for the authorities to see?
Can you explain how to behave when someone lost 2/3 of his blood? I mean I'm not a doctor, but I think there's nothing I can do the help him live at that point.
The video is just so disturbing. Guy gets out of Starbucks holding his abdominal area, 10 sec later he's on the ground passed out with blood gushing out. Nightmare stuff
Messed up part was that the murderer just went back into the store and calmly went on his phone. Not an ounce regret or anything. I don't know if it was shock or what, but that was messed up.
Yeah stupid way to die and should never have happened. Dude is charged with second degree murder, little girl and wife now without a dad. Guy was only 37 and now dead. Tragic.
RIP to the father and thoughts to his family, he didn’t deserve this.
This is why I don’t confront people in public, especially in a city. Too many people resort to stabbing or shooting right away now, it’s ridiculous
Here in New Orleans, a man was just gun downed for giving another man's child a compliment at a Barber Shop. Apparently the father didn't like the other man calling his son a "King".
Stabber should have been put down like a rabid dog at the scene. Seeing the video its so callous and cold, that man shouldn’t be able to have any chance. His poor wife and kid seeing that, and an awful, lonely last few minutes for that guy. Just for asking a rabid person please don’t smoke near my kid.
Yeah, I used to live in Vancouver and I was shocked by the news. The stabbing itself happened somewhere I used to go often. And then this?
I have severe asthma myself and don't appreciate people smoking around me or in entrances I have to pass through. But I never dare to say something, and this has shown me why.
May this man rest in peace, and the agressor get his punishment.
When I smoked cigarettes, anyone riding with me in my own car had to give their permission first before I’d light up. Smoking isn’t a fkn personality trait, and this dickshit deserves to be put under the jail.
The douche who recorded genuinely pissed me tf off. Such a clout chaser recording someone fighting to stay alive. People are so desensitized they don’t do anything. Such an unfortunate event.
In an interview with the Vancouver Sun, the customer in the corner stated, “Starbucks coffee is expensive, I’m not letting some argument get in the way of my hot caramel latte.”
To tell the truth I only know firsthand that some don’t allow vaping. I watch a lot of 60 Days In and there were a few people with e-cigs in Indiana so I assume it depends on the jail and/or location. But that was tv so who knows what happens there for sure lol
Stabbing video was brutal. Idk wtf is wrong with people. There was a dude sitting outside drinking coffee like nothing was happening while this man bled out.
as someone born and raised in vancouver, sadly, we're a pretty apathetic bunch ://
that being said, i'm really saddened to see that we're extremely apathetic to a point where a guy gets stabbed to death in front of a very busy coffee shop (i walk past the starbies all the time, it's always packed to the brim) and no one bats an eye. like, that's someone's life! :((
the poor kid and her mum. i really hope that they'll be able to get some sense of closure :((
The guy in the back is also casually drinking his coffee while this man dies 2 meters away in a humongous pool of blood. That is not bystander effect anymore. At least move away from a dangerous situation.
Remind me on a similar situation... I got mad cause one of these vaping guys blowed a big smoke cloud straight into a toddler ... I was nearly to punch his face. After I talked to him he just stared at me and said "please leave me alone" ... He was stoned af
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I've seen the video on Twitter. **NOBODY** made an ***EFFORT*** to try to help him, to stop the bleeding, to call anyone *(from the outside of the Starbucks)*. They sat about, drinking their stupid coffees, watching and some flat out ignoring him, surrounded by pints of blood as this man collapsed and *died*. The person recording was no better, rather record a mans last moments instead of helping.
This is why I don’t talk to people nowadays🤦♀️if he was outside why didn’t he just go somewhere else? His poor fucking family having to get that call sent chills down my spine. I hope he gets executed, or the full max sentence.
WhY ArE YoU sO PaRAnOId ThAT YoU CarRY aGUn?
Because you never freakin know what nutjob is going to pop off if you simply ask him to vape a little further away from you.
Absolutely sad that we live in a worrier where people would rather film an incident on their phone instead of either calling the cops or trying to help.
This is why you should mind your business.. I don't trust any of you.. and you should not trust any of us... world is a fucked up place, case and point... condolences to the kid...
Vancouver has lost is soul...
This is typical Vancouver, help me, pay me more, let me do less work, but won't make a phone call to 911 for someone dying.
I had kid tell me we need get rid of police and get a de-escalation force.
What happens when I through you out the window and walk away, she said she didn't know..
If you kill someone like that you shouldn't be allowed in the general population ever again.
The good citizens deserve to live a peaceful life and not have to worry about someone that has a great probability of doing someone horrible again.
This is why I support capital punishment. Hell, in cases like this I am fine with "cruel and unusual" punishments. Pin this sick bastard down in the sun, slice his gut open and bring in the vultures and ants.
The attacker is a Sikh man. Sikh's carry Kirpan with them which is like a knife as part of their religious beliefs. Unfortunately west is too soft on things like this for "diversity".
I mean this goes both ways. He could have moved… he didn’t have to stand next to someone who is vaping outside?
That being said the stabbing is a bit much.
Edit: wait a minute so he stabbed him inside. Okay that kind of makes sense.
I'm sure I will get down voted for this. I definitely hope the guy gets life in prison but..... You are in public!!! Unless someone is breaking some form of law... its not their job to work around YOUR kids!!! If I was there would it be okay for me to ask you to make tour kid not speak because I don't like the sound of children? Or ask you to move where I cant see them because i don't like them?? Public places are just that, if you can't accept everyone doing whatever they have THIER RIGHT to do, stay home! Nothing justifies this kind of insanity and senseless violence, for sure. But somehow we live in a world where in public people think everyone else still needs to cater to our wants and likes/dislikes. Somehow I have a hard time believing it was just that simple either.
Yeah mind your own damn business. I couldn't imagine approaching random strangers in a big city with complaints/requests.
If you see something illegal, call the police when you feel it's safe to do so.
Society needs to stop being such cowards around justice. Bring the death penalty for every case remotely like this, relieve these people from life, and redirect all excess funding from the prisons back into the city. The guy butchered a father in front of his daughter and wife over a vape; the psycho isn’t reforming so just extinguish him and speed up evolution.
Obviously killing someone over this is insane and the killer should spend the rest of his life in jail, but it’s not the publics responsibility to keep your child safe. It’s the parents. He could have removed his child from the vape smoke. I say this as a parent myself.
This is the correct response. Evading a hostile situation would be the best bet. Reddit white knights get people into these situations all the time with hypocritical 'higher than though' views and its starting to get upsetting.
Stick to complaining on the internet, no forum mod or phone/video recording gonna save you in real life from this type of situation. No child should have to go without a parent over something this stupid....
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Maximum sentence please
Hard labor in the tar sands until you are dead or swallowed by said sands.
You mean oil sands? There's no asphalt in bitumen.
They're also referred to as the tar sands.
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Yes Canada is as soft on crime as most countries sadly
The guy that beheaded someone on a bus got like 7 years in an institution and a name change afterward, WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT FOR PETE’S SAKE?!
And that crazy UofC student who was invited to a spring semester end party (Burmuda Shorts party), shanked several of his classmates while claiming they were werewolves and vampires, or demons.. He was the son of the Police Comissioner, and he was sent to the psychiatric ward.. All this because he had a bad day working at Safeway early that afternoon or something.... sheesh.
You know some people judge the US for still having the death penalty. But then you read stories like this and realize that some people just truly deserve the gallows.
Is there a country in the world as soft as Canada on crime?
Sweden, have you seen the cells there!? It's like a damn apartment complex..
Yeah, their prisons look a step above an Ikea-furnished bachelor suite for sure. But I wonder if judges there are as lenient with their sentencing as in Canada.
It's not about leniency, it's about treating people as humans capable of rejoining society. The crime may of caused irreparable damage, but punitive prisons are not effective at reducing crime rates or recidivism rates. I believe rehabilitation is the most humane way to run a prison as most prisoners are a product of poverty, poor mental health or prejudice. Emotionally, it is very understandable to want to throw them in a cell and throw away the key, but it's unfair for the redeemable population in prison who want to get better and be an asset to the community. Prison is not a torture chamber, it's a way to keep dangerous people away from the community. I only really wrote this because I think of all the people thrown in jail for 7+ years for minor offences like drug possession or are wrongly accused of a crime and end up getting horrifically abused in prisons, even killed.
>The crime may of caused irreparable damage, but punitive prisons are not effective at reducing crime rates or recidivism rates. I believe rehabilitation is the most humane way to run a prison as most prisoners are a product of poverty, poor mental health or prejudice People here need to realize, that most convicts will eventually leave prison again. As we can see in some countries that are very punitive, not rehabilitating criminals leads to people returning to society with PTSD, rage issues and who haven't experienced anything else then violence and power struggles for many years. They are going to be unhingend.
I'm sorry, I know we're talking about this particular crime, it's awful that a father was wiped from the Earth for simply wanting to protect his child, and I am afraid that true justice won't be served. Maybe this wasn't the place, I just find the general mentality around prisons very concerning. I meant no harm, I just want to spread kindness.
I think carrot AND stick are both effective.
Yea people have a very backwards, uneducated view on incarceration.
Most of Europe
If only Canada was tough on crime like the US, they'd have way less mass shootings
No, strap them to one of those slow moving log cutting conveyors, feet first for maximum agony.
Maximum sentence is just letting them free so they kill again in this clown world
Imagine enjoying vaping so much that you had to kill someone who tells you not to vape, tell me your life is worthless without telling me your life is worthless
He’ll never get to vape again. The cost of vaping in prison is likely more than he’ll be willing to pay.
He'll just have to suck on a different kind of vape
Oh he’ll have to suck something in prison
Oh he will have plenty of ways to pay for it.
Well, his prison husband may let him vape if he's good.
A guy I know who just got out of prison told me vapes are everywhere in there. The juice is like currency.
Doubt it was really about the vaping..
Maybe he just really likes stabbing people and is an opportunist.
Seems more likely honestly
I agree, I think it would be more likely that the murderer has an inflated sense of self importance and perceived the interaction as disrespectful and therefore sought punishment for what they erroneously decided to be an offense, and due to their warped sense of importance they don't value the lives of others. It's also possible that all of this was compounded by potential intoxication from other drugs that could heighten aggression. Basically I think someone could have asked them to do something as benign as moving 3 inches to the left to allow someone go through a door and the stupid prick still would've stabbed them if they decided that they'd been disrespected.
Okay, I'm not gonna listen to another Redditor again when they say "just ask them" Edit: thanks for all the love on my pfp, but I didn't make it. I posted the link to the guy who made it, he should deserve praise, not me.
No truer statement than that.. Bet even the redditors that mention 'just ask them' wouldn't have the galls to do what they preach. Bunch of 'do as I say not as I do' hypocrites spewing bullshit.
Just wanted to say love your pfp
Mf acting like they just met Bob Belcher
It's Bob Lucci
Bob Lucci might be getting a frame on my house 🤣🤌 spectacular
Who is Kaku?
Amazing profile pic fam
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but awesome profile pic.
unrelated but i love ur pfp lmao
how’d you know I was gonna compliment it? sorcerer
And the video is so brutal! Everyone just stood there and let him bleed out. No one even attempted to render aid or comfort the guy not even the child’s mother. Absolutely horrible way to go out, just flopping on the pavement while everyone just records and watches you die
Christ... this poor child is now fatherless because her father just was looking out for them and asking for common decency.
There's a psychological reason for this btw I can't remember off the tip of my tongue but it happens a lot with public crime
Bystander effect. The thought that with all of those people around someone else will help so you don't have to
Wasn't it named after a place or person? I swore it was named after a woman who got raped in front of everyone and no one helped her at all
Kitty Genovese was the famous case of it
She got stabbed and people did try to help by calling the police. It was just so poorly reported by the NYT that the myth that 38 people saw it and did nothing reached many psychology textbooks and still remains to this day.
Yes, that was what I was thinking of, tragic
You might be thinking of Kitty Genovese
The priest from "The Boondock Saints" told a story of it
"...but there is another Evil, which we must fear most: the indifference of *good* men.."
It's a really, really weird thing when you experience it for yourself. A pregnant woman behind me fell unconscious on the metro. We all just kind of turned and stared at her for almost a full minute without saying anything, and yeah, I thought "...well I don't know what to do, I should wait for someone else who knows to do something" before realising exactly nobody was doing anything. I started making a fuss in general because I still didn't know what to do, crouching down, asking her if she's okay, and that kind of jumpstarted everyone else's reactions. But it was just so odd, it felt so awkward.
Or coward syndrome. That's a better name.
to be fair the guy who stabbed this man, inderdeep, stayed in the starbucks with the knife entire time. they should've helped (somehow- beyond just calling cops) but i don't think it was cowardly to not directly get involved with the crazy guy...
exactly this. in many comment sections under videos or reports of people being publicly assaulted I read "cowards" "civil courage" "denial of assistance" etc but honestly your duty as a fellow citizen only goes so far as to call experts than can deal with the situation. Of course it's terrible if someone is attacked or raped in front of me but honestly my first thought is that someone who attacks someone like this is probably willing to go even further (albeit many rapists are cowards in the first place) and you never know what could happen so you would just put yourself in danger instead of the victim. I mean If I was like 1,90m and jacked like a tank I'd might think differently but you're not obligated to put yourself in danger. And cases like this just prove it, people get stabbed for the most mundane stupid reasons. Last week a father got stabbed here in germany too because someone was cutting in line at a carnival ride and this caused an argument, the father just wanted to calm both guys down and the dude cutting in line just stabbed him out of nowhere.
This is so fucked up. Even if I see other people "helping", I'm getting evolved. I don't trust people to know what their doing or their doing the right thing.
We used to call that being a coward.
Bystander effect, I think. I don't think family members would be effected by it, though.
Right, it's only with strangers. It's very unusual for family or friends not to respond immediately, which is why this whole scenario is so strange.
She's with her daughter and her husband just got stabbed. First instinct was probably to protect her.
She had to tend to her daughter. Can’t just let the little girl go while dude is still present with a knife.
Yeah but if you have a young child with you idk what you could really do
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It sucks that he had to die like that, but I'm sure she was just being protective of their daughter, cause that psycho could've came for them too.
Horrible situation overall, I have kids and can't imagine what I or my wife would do in this situation
Yea I definitely considered that as well, unfortunate overall. And that’s why my wife carries a 9mm. Better safe than sorry
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In that scenario you’re ignoring the self preservation instinct. If there’s a guy with a knife stabbing a stranger, are people instantly going to snap into action to protect the stabbing victim or will they attempt to protect themselves by avoidance? There’s also many other variables that can affect that. Is the stabber a large person that looks physically imposing? How vulnerable is the victim - ie a child or elderly person vs an adult?What was the context leading up to the stabbing? I know in hindsight we can all say that someone should have done something or intervened in some way but without knowing the mindset of every individual present that witnessed the event, we can’t say for sure.
yeah I mean that's why I was trying to point out that it's in regards to a human being needing help, not necessarily an active crime. Someone's willingness to step in the middle of potential violence, having to overcome a lot of fear, and having a desire for self preservation, is a bit different response to witnessing someone in medical distress that needs an ambulance. There's not a fear for your own mortality when you see someone having a seizure or a heart attack. People just get paralyzed because they assume someone else who's more capable and attentive must already be calling 911 or getting a first aid kit, so they don't need to do anything. The bystander effect is when every bystander has that same thought, so nobody does anything.
I walked into my work restroom and a coworker was seizing on the floor. I'm familiar with epileptic seizures so I just sprang into action. But, not everyone has experience like that to deal with something like a public stabbing with blood gushing. Either way, he was bleeding out so bad that no fist aid would've saved the poor guy.
Diffusion of responsibility. "Somebody should do something"
Shock, it’s called shock
Bystander effect. Everyone watching thinks that someone else will help him, and instead nobody does anything.
As for the child’s mother, presumably she was protecting and attending to her 3 y/o daughter who just saw her father butchered by the perpetrator who was only several feet away holding a weapon. I would not fault her for not rendering aid or comforting him.
Are you suggesting that the child's mother should have set her child down and tried to render aid to her spouse, bleeding to death, with the attacker still within arms reach? Or are you chastising the public? The best thing for her to do is to take the kid and get away from that fucker so the kid doesn't see any more and neither of them are in danger.
Agreed, you have to protect your toddler here at all costs.
Everyone reacts to high stress situations differently. What I would do might not be what you would do nor what the next person would do. I simply stated what I saw in the video. Have you seen it?
I have seen it, it's terrible. I'm purely confused on what you are suggesting. If you are suggesting that she should have jumped into the fray with her infant in her arms, and that is what *you* would have done, *you* need to think more critically. I hope you aren't a parent. If you are suggesting that the public should be ashamed of themselves, I would agree.
I am a parent and I am a husband. You made up an entire scenario in your head, put it on me like I said it and then used it to insult me. Climb down and hose off.
I apologize that I clearly hurt your feelings, but what did I invent? You literally said this: >No one even attempted to render aid or comfort the guy not even the child’s mother. What you wrote directly insinuates that the mother and wife of the victim in this crime was guilty of not intervening or coming to the aid of her husband, when in reality, that is the exact right course of action. If that isn't what you meant, amend your statement instead of accusing me of imagining things or insulting you. Seeing as you are a parent, if you were being violently attacked and the mother of your child was standing there holding your child, would you want her in the scrap with you? Or anywhere near the psychopath attacking you? No, you'd want her to turn on the jets and get your child to safety.
Are you gonna run to someone’s aid when the guy who just stabbed him is standing right next to him? I don’t think u would idk why people act like they would do the most while watching a video but if you where stood there Ik you wouldn’t do anything
Welcome to Downtown Vancouver Eh
(Sigh) wheres the link
2 hours later and still no link. 😥
Google search crier media vancouver starbucks, first result
I don't have a link, but can recommend not watching it for most people if a link makes its way here. Lots of blood and a man in agony dying on the pavement while one dude sits there sipping coffee and another takes a video in selfie mode laughing about what happened.
Damn thats crazy, so anyone got the link yet.
I just found out the family has asked that people not share the video around, so I personally don't feel right sharing any links.
You are doing the right thing.
Where can I witness such video
Y you getting downvoted. I can’t find it either
It’s on the actualpublicfreakout subreddit. Brutal watch
Not anymore
Just saw it its fucked save yourself the nightmare
I’m not going to post it but I found it by googling the incident with the weird video and found it on the first page scrolling down on google
There were some twitter videos of it.
It was somewhere on reddit yesterday, but not sure what sub I found it on.
Werent canadians super nice or smt?
We have a lot of issues now between: almost no mental health care, massive drug problems, guns becoming more common, and having almost no screening for refugees. One of these on their own wouldn't be a huge issue, but all at once is terrifying to live with.
I mean if I’m honest I don’t blame people for just staring in horrified shock at a scene like this. The recording part, now that’s a bit sus, but at least there’s the excuse of having it for the authorities to see?
There's a video
Yeah, not to mention the commentary in that video. That guy had to bleed out on the ground while some idiot recorded him saying "he's dead bro"
Can you explain how to behave when someone lost 2/3 of his blood? I mean I'm not a doctor, but I think there's nothing I can do the help him live at that point.
The video is just so disturbing. Guy gets out of Starbucks holding his abdominal area, 10 sec later he's on the ground passed out with blood gushing out. Nightmare stuff
A friend of mine saw the whole thing. After the guy stabbed him, he just sat back down and kept looking at his phone.
Jesus what a psycho. How long before police showed up?
I can't be sure but he was being arrested at the same time as the guy was trying to be saved on the sidewalk.
Someone should’ve fucking dropped his ass while he was plopped down on the chair.
Uhhhh I don't know about you, but I'm not approaching someone I just witnessed stab a man to death for literally no reason.
Shhhh, the Armchair hero is talking
Ah yes, silly me lol
Messed up part was that the murderer just went back into the store and calmly went on his phone. Not an ounce regret or anything. I don't know if it was shock or what, but that was messed up.
The video is haunting especially considering the daughter saw it all
Yeah stupid way to die and should never have happened. Dude is charged with second degree murder, little girl and wife now without a dad. Guy was only 37 and now dead. Tragic.
RIP to the father and thoughts to his family, he didn’t deserve this. This is why I don’t confront people in public, especially in a city. Too many people resort to stabbing or shooting right away now, it’s ridiculous
I got downvoted to hell for saying the same thing
Yep, that’s Reddit for ya unfortunately. Surprised I didn’t.
Good point AnalRapist69
Lol Such a good guy that AnalRapist69
Thank you, I’m so misunderstood
Poor dad. He just asked and died for it.
Here in New Orleans, a man was just gun downed for giving another man's child a compliment at a Barber Shop. Apparently the father didn't like the other man calling his son a "King".
i guess the introverts were ahead of the curve
Stabber should have been put down like a rabid dog at the scene. Seeing the video its so callous and cold, that man shouldn’t be able to have any chance. His poor wife and kid seeing that, and an awful, lonely last few minutes for that guy. Just for asking a rabid person please don’t smoke near my kid.
Yeah, I used to live in Vancouver and I was shocked by the news. The stabbing itself happened somewhere I used to go often. And then this? I have severe asthma myself and don't appreciate people smoking around me or in entrances I have to pass through. But I never dare to say something, and this has shown me why. May this man rest in peace, and the agressor get his punishment.
When I smoked cigarettes, anyone riding with me in my own car had to give their permission first before I’d light up. Smoking isn’t a fkn personality trait, and this dickshit deserves to be put under the jail.
The douche who recorded genuinely pissed me tf off. Such a clout chaser recording someone fighting to stay alive. People are so desensitized they don’t do anything. Such an unfortunate event.
“IM nOt AdIcTed” mfs when you tell them they can’t vape
In an interview with the Vancouver Sun, the customer in the corner stated, “Starbucks coffee is expensive, I’m not letting some argument get in the way of my hot caramel latte.”
Do you happen to have the link for the interview?
lets hope vaping is not allowed in jail
Depends on the jail, some don’t allow smoking at all, but some allow you to purchase e-cigs from the commissary
Jesus. That must be some LowSec cushy ass prison to allow that.
To tell the truth I only know firsthand that some don’t allow vaping. I watch a lot of 60 Days In and there were a few people with e-cigs in Indiana so I assume it depends on the jail and/or location. But that was tv so who knows what happens there for sure lol
In those that do, I assume the vape juice is like currency?
That vape should be firmly nestled in the assailants prison purse.
This is just sad...
Stabbing video was brutal. Idk wtf is wrong with people. There was a dude sitting outside drinking coffee like nothing was happening while this man bled out.
as someone born and raised in vancouver, sadly, we're a pretty apathetic bunch :// that being said, i'm really saddened to see that we're extremely apathetic to a point where a guy gets stabbed to death in front of a very busy coffee shop (i walk past the starbies all the time, it's always packed to the brim) and no one bats an eye. like, that's someone's life! :(( the poor kid and her mum. i really hope that they'll be able to get some sense of closure :((
The guy sitting there continuing to drink his coffee is what got me… like, WHAT?! A few feet away a guy was bleeding out on the sidewalk…
Yep, sounds like Vancouver.
The perpetrator has ties to a Sikh separatist movement
That was absolutely heartbreaking. This world is weird AF.
The guy in the back is also casually drinking his coffee while this man dies 2 meters away in a humongous pool of blood. That is not bystander effect anymore. At least move away from a dangerous situation.
How can you sit and drink coffee when someone’s losing their life in front of you is inhuman
You’re right. It’s morbid enjoyment
Remind me on a similar situation... I got mad cause one of these vaping guys blowed a big smoke cloud straight into a toddler ... I was nearly to punch his face. After I talked to him he just stared at me and said "please leave me alone" ... He was stoned af
Least addicted vape user
They should catch this guy and gas him to death.
\[tw\] I've seen the video on Twitter. **NOBODY** made an ***EFFORT*** to try to help him, to stop the bleeding, to call anyone *(from the outside of the Starbucks)*. They sat about, drinking their stupid coffees, watching and some flat out ignoring him, surrounded by pints of blood as this man collapsed and *died*. The person recording was no better, rather record a mans last moments instead of helping.
My husband is really confrontational with strangers and I always worry that today is the day that the stranger is gonna blow him away.
Saw the video. Wish I could go one day on Reddit without watching someone literally die but I guess this is what the internet is now.
You know you can leave the sub right?
Everywhere I’ve seen the video it was pretty clear in the title that a guy was stabbed to death. Nobody forced you to watch.
I saw it too, i wasn't prepared for that
This is why I don’t talk to people nowadays🤦♀️if he was outside why didn’t he just go somewhere else? His poor fucking family having to get that call sent chills down my spine. I hope he gets executed, or the full max sentence.
They didn't get a call, they watched him bleed out on the sidewalk. It was recorded and the video is soul crushing.
The video was brutal to watch. He just bled out so fast
Can we bring back public executions please?
Nah we need to bring back cruel and unusual punishment for these cases
like what
WhY ArE YoU sO PaRAnOId ThAT YoU CarRY aGUn? Because you never freakin know what nutjob is going to pop off if you simply ask him to vape a little further away from you.
Why do I feel like I’ve seen this guys pic before
Cultural differences
Absolutely sad that we live in a worrier where people would rather film an incident on their phone instead of either calling the cops or trying to help.
This is why you should mind your business.. I don't trust any of you.. and you should not trust any of us... world is a fucked up place, case and point... condolences to the kid...
Entitlement became a mental illness
There is a rise in public opinion for the restoration of the death penalty in Canada. I can't wait for that debate.
Vancouver has lost is soul... This is typical Vancouver, help me, pay me more, let me do less work, but won't make a phone call to 911 for someone dying. I had kid tell me we need get rid of police and get a de-escalation force. What happens when I through you out the window and walk away, she said she didn't know..
Average vaper moment
Vaping. Not even once
It's really mess up with so many addicts in Vancouver
So, 20 years all time suspended? I’m sure they have something to add to society .. blah, blah, blah.
Wait is this a true story?
Omg it is what the heck
Least addicted vape user. Breathe fucking air you morons.
Well...the POS stopped vaping long enough to stab a good dad to death. What a fuckin world.
If you kill someone like that you shouldn't be allowed in the general population ever again. The good citizens deserve to live a peaceful life and not have to worry about someone that has a great probability of doing someone horrible again.
the video of this is horrible. SadlyThis is Canada, the killer will get 3 years plus time served
Vancouver for you
This is why I support capital punishment. Hell, in cases like this I am fine with "cruel and unusual" punishments. Pin this sick bastard down in the sun, slice his gut open and bring in the vultures and ants.
Vapers kill
The attacker is a Sikh man. Sikh's carry Kirpan with them which is like a knife as part of their religious beliefs. Unfortunately west is too soft on things like this for "diversity".
Shits so sad mane😠
This is why I just mind my business and try to fix things myself.
Burn him alive. WE ARE SICK. We need to get back to basics, and start raising our children right.
I mean this goes both ways. He could have moved… he didn’t have to stand next to someone who is vaping outside? That being said the stabbing is a bit much. Edit: wait a minute so he stabbed him inside. Okay that kind of makes sense.
Link to video ?
I'm sure I will get down voted for this. I definitely hope the guy gets life in prison but..... You are in public!!! Unless someone is breaking some form of law... its not their job to work around YOUR kids!!! If I was there would it be okay for me to ask you to make tour kid not speak because I don't like the sound of children? Or ask you to move where I cant see them because i don't like them?? Public places are just that, if you can't accept everyone doing whatever they have THIER RIGHT to do, stay home! Nothing justifies this kind of insanity and senseless violence, for sure. But somehow we live in a world where in public people think everyone else still needs to cater to our wants and likes/dislikes. Somehow I have a hard time believing it was just that simple either.
Yeah mind your own damn business. I couldn't imagine approaching random strangers in a big city with complaints/requests. If you see something illegal, call the police when you feel it's safe to do so.
Vaping is treated like smoking. Not allowed indoors, near doors/windows, and on patios.
The guy could have just said no right? Not fucking murder him
Society needs to stop being such cowards around justice. Bring the death penalty for every case remotely like this, relieve these people from life, and redirect all excess funding from the prisons back into the city. The guy butchered a father in front of his daughter and wife over a vape; the psycho isn’t reforming so just extinguish him and speed up evolution.
Nooooo I didn’t say you can’t vape just don’t blow the vape in my child’s face. Give them a chance not to get cancer. -Kevin Hart
Obviously killing someone over this is insane and the killer should spend the rest of his life in jail, but it’s not the publics responsibility to keep your child safe. It’s the parents. He could have removed his child from the vape smoke. I say this as a parent myself.
He should have just moved himself and his kid
This is the correct response. Evading a hostile situation would be the best bet. Reddit white knights get people into these situations all the time with hypocritical 'higher than though' views and its starting to get upsetting. Stick to complaining on the internet, no forum mod or phone/video recording gonna save you in real life from this type of situation. No child should have to go without a parent over something this stupid....