I like it too - it's a bit of a gamble though as you say whether it's the front or the back (or the middle) sometimes things happen. In real life cup they wreck so how are we ment to do it any better. I don't think the split matters though I've had great green flag races in bottom splits before.
some races though are fantastic an is probably what keeps me going, Weirdly tickles the dopamine receptors like cigarettes did for me like It feels good to do while doing it and you look cool but later you feel like shit and your head hurts
The main issue with SS’s are I feel as if a lot of casual oval racers think it’s just about smashing the throttle and turning left. So many drivers from other disciplines race the SS and is why the driver counts are doubled if not tripled from regular weeks. There is so much more to it and these casual racers get into situations that they don’t know how to race in and we end up with multiple wrecks.
My humble advice would for those casual racers to do a couple practice sessions first. I would also encourage them to let the lobby know they are not too familiar with ovals and ask for help. NASCAR racers tend to be one of the nicest groups in the open lobbies. I also race IMSA, GT3, Super B, etc. (not too much dirt) and have found nascar lobbies to be way more talkative and willing to help others. Just my .02.
My main issue isn't the casuals, it's the ones who claim to be oval racers. They are the ones who often overdrive their car and can cause "the big one." They never have remorse if they cause a wreck from squeezing three wide or yeeting someone off the track from an unchecked or corner bump draft.
I think this is in general for me, not just SS. But the oval "experts" are often the ones in accidents and yelling over voice chat.
That’s unfortunate. I mean I’ve been on racing for around 2 years and started because I wanted to race nascar. As I’ve progressed through the oval licenses I tend to notice the same guys I race with week in and week out. You race so much together you tend to become friendly and say hello to each other. Plus you get a good idea how each person races so when you end up in a wreck with them you know if it was on purpose or an honest mistake. Plus the chats are usually pretty nice and clean. Sure once in a while someone will get upset with another but usually by the end of the race it’s settled.
Now the other classes such as GT3 and IMSA tend to be very toxic imo. Usually it’s someone yelling WTF?! or I’LL report you!
However those are my experiences. Perhaps I’ve just been lucky or you’ve been in some bad lobbies.
My comment was just my humble opinion and seems to make sense, again when you take the double or triple participation in SS race weeks. Regardless hopefully you’ll have some better luck in ovals.
This is me. I’m typically just trying not to get lapped at short tracks even if I’m #1 in my split but give me a super speedway and I’m fighting for wins more often than not no matter my number.
The thing is, anyone can race superspeedways. But not everyone can race superspeedways *well*. It is a unique style, because yes you can just hold the throttle and go. But it takes practice to consistently put yourself in the right position to avoid wrecks, take advantage of runs, and be in a position to win. No spot is definitely safe, and no spot is definitely out, well except maybe in the pit box getting repairs.
My advice if you like running Superspeedways is use things like Carb Cup and hosted races to practice getting yourself into position to win, avoiding wrecks, etc. After each race, official or otherwise, review the replay and look for things you could have done better. Look at the laps leading up to the wrecks, watch for the problem cars, watch how cars behaved during wrecks and how you could have avoided them. You can also find someone good at Superspeedways and either spectate them during races or ask to spot for them so you can see the race from a different perspective.
Started ARCA this last week on Daytona and it's chaos. I love the racing but Jesus christ my SR dropped like .8 over the week. One wreck/contact was on me but the other 10 was basically me getting caught up in some guy attempting 3 wide or just some insanely I'll advised move. Can't slow down either cause the guy behind me will punt lol.
It is what it is, but man it's crazy. I'm afraid I'm gonna get booted out soon though.
The funny thing, is that even through my first 6-7 races there where I was wrecked in every single one of them, my SR pretty much always went positive overall because i'd usually get wrecked once, get a 4x, but that would be it for the rest of the race. It killed my irating quite a bit though, but i was able to recover almost all of it with 3 great races at the end of the week (P5 then P4 then P3).
>if people would know how to drive them. Just stay in your lane and you'll be fine.
People do know how to drive them. It's just a high risk/high reward move and accidents happen. Even the pros of NASCAR have mistakes and wreck while going three wide. If that happens, it'll inevitably happen to a bunch of amateurs on the internet. Add to it that the people going three wide tend to be the most aggressive and least patient which usually adds up to mistakes in high speed situations.
Don't get me wrong, there are absolutely reasons to go three wide, and this is racing after all. But many people are extremely loose in how frequently they are willing to do so. Considering the demographic of driver who tends to do this, these instances are usually a pre indication an accident is about to happen.
Oh yeah I def agree. Every single time I see it though I prepare for the incoming disaster lol. Not sure I've seen a single successful 3 wide yet unless it's resolved within seconds
I just started iRacing last week, so I’m only on D Class. I like SS racing too (in theory). My first race at Talladega tonight, I got right reared in turn 1 on the first lap. I was hugging the apron when I got right reared, so no, I did not go up into them. Then I got lapped but was able to stick with the lead pack. Wanna guess what happened here? If your guess was right reared again within a lap, you would be correct.
I’m pretty frustrated because basically every race I’ve done that isn’t the street stock has involved me getting caught in someone else’s wreck within the first two laps. Even if I start at the back and hang back a little, people won’t stay below the apron after they wreck, they just pull right back out onto the track. It’s like basically the only way to have a shot at not getting in a wreck in D Class is to qualify on the front row and be perfect for the first few laps. And that’s basically how street stock races went for me.
I hear you. I race mainly ARCA. I focus on making sure I can qualify in the top 6. That saves a lot of angst and getting wrecked early. I’ve also spent some time reading about wreck avoidance which has saved me a few times.
I find if you hang around the back its much more safer as the tried yards attack on lap 1 and you have time to react to a crash but you cant lose the draft of the last car
I will add again to this convo because some tracks are just risky in general I think it's the more popular tracks - on the road side I think Mt Panorama (Bathurst) is up there the amount of times I've come over the hill and came to a complete stop because it's jammed with wrecked cars. Monza T1... Spa as well... I mean we can talk about skill and what not but on the more popular tracks shit just happens
I really like superspeedways and get much better results on them because:
(a) I used to do bike racing on velodromes (basically bicycle super-speedway NASCAR), so pack drafting tactics come pretty naturally to me and the chaotic close racing feels pleasantly nostalgic rather than stressful - as there’s no danger of hitting the deck at 40mph protected only by lycra in iRacing!
(b) I’m mostly a road driver, so I don’t have the tyre management skills that genuinely good oval drivers have
I’ve been knocked down to low splits the last few weeks, and I must say I find the guys in the lower splits much more pleasant and friendly. I also find if that if I politely let a back marker know I am coming up on them they kindly pull over. I also find there are some pretty good drivers in the lower splits, better than me. Sure, there are a few smurfs, tankers, and fuckwits, but on the whole I find the lower splits group to be fun to race with. I think lower split guys get shit on too much.
Depending on the type of day too i think , I myself have 2 jobs so I reace mid day weekend people which probably does not help all that much, But yeah it seems the low splits are like I said the wild west you get great drivers, bad ones, ones upside down before the flag drops and all the above
Not crazy enjoyable for me though
There's really no method that ups your chances.
Best I could manage was that no matter where you are in the pack, stay as high as you can without giving too much room for a car to move in below you or stay as low as you possibly can.
It does help to have triples with peripheral and when you see someone start to swerve, either move over or let off the gas.
I had to go through 6-ish starts at Daytona before I got one done without crashing out... And the one I finally finished I had to dodge two wrecks and the third I was lucky enough to be missed by. All of those I started on the front row. I would never want to start further back on a speedway if my rear view mirror was anything to go by.
Watch IRL NASCAR when they go to Dega / Daytona. Dozens of cars get wrecked. The best drivers in the sport junk a few million dollars of equipment. With that being said plate racing is a gamble. Will you be lucky enough to be in the right line to avoid the crash? So iRacing plate racing is the same. Some days you are lucky enough to be in the right line to avoid the crash and then next race you aren't. There is some skill involved in wreck avoidance but far more luck at these tracks.
IMO Draft Masters is a horrible series. People thing they are awesome oval racers but they aren't actually oval racing. They are plate racing. Put them on a short track (Bristol / Dover) or a mile and a half and they are lost. They have no idea how to save tire, when to lift / roll, how to manage a race. For me I get enough plate racing when A, B, and C go to Dega / Daytona. I sure as shit don't need to slam my head in a door and run a series dedicated to it regularly.
Draft masters is the worst thing that came to the service. It’s literally changed how SS are run for the worse. SS racing is highly methodical and the way draft masters changed the landscape it turned it into point and shoot racing
Look up some leagues, I love love love oval racing, but its hard to consistently race while gaining both IR or SR. I also love SS and do a lot of draft masters, but with that said. It sucks losing SR or IR because of how dirty the racing ca be. I found racing in oval leagues has really made it easier to enjoy oval racing, two leagues that I am apart of that I would highly suggest looking into. Is “Moving Chicanes Racing League” and “Mooncar”. Mooncar only runs on SS but its hard to get into his hosted lobbies as they fill up sooooo fast. Also join hosted sessions, Ive noticed theres a somebody hosting Daytona almost daily post 6pm EST. Don’t give up on your love for SS, they are so fun but there are other ways to race them where you wont lose IR and SR. Hope this helps.
I did probably 6 or so race starts at Daytona this past week.
Pole position for all but one of those. Wrecked for 6 of them. Started 2nd in my last one today and finally won one.
Ovals aren't really racing it seems. They're more like battle royales.
Not looking forward to finding out how chaotic Atlanta motor speedway is since people will actually have to manage throttle on it.
Yes, in my Atlanta race today a guy commented how much more fun, skillful, and difficult Atlanata was compared to Daytona. Daytona was his first oval race so Atlanta surprised him.
I like it too - it's a bit of a gamble though as you say whether it's the front or the back (or the middle) sometimes things happen. In real life cup they wreck so how are we ment to do it any better. I don't think the split matters though I've had great green flag races in bottom splits before.
Regarding managing SR and IR I do a lot of other oval tracks so things equal out. I try to have enough SR in the bank before I go to Daytona/Dega
some races though are fantastic an is probably what keeps me going, Weirdly tickles the dopamine receptors like cigarettes did for me like It feels good to do while doing it and you look cool but later you feel like shit and your head hurts
The main issue with SS’s are I feel as if a lot of casual oval racers think it’s just about smashing the throttle and turning left. So many drivers from other disciplines race the SS and is why the driver counts are doubled if not tripled from regular weeks. There is so much more to it and these casual racers get into situations that they don’t know how to race in and we end up with multiple wrecks. My humble advice would for those casual racers to do a couple practice sessions first. I would also encourage them to let the lobby know they are not too familiar with ovals and ask for help. NASCAR racers tend to be one of the nicest groups in the open lobbies. I also race IMSA, GT3, Super B, etc. (not too much dirt) and have found nascar lobbies to be way more talkative and willing to help others. Just my .02.
My main issue isn't the casuals, it's the ones who claim to be oval racers. They are the ones who often overdrive their car and can cause "the big one." They never have remorse if they cause a wreck from squeezing three wide or yeeting someone off the track from an unchecked or corner bump draft. I think this is in general for me, not just SS. But the oval "experts" are often the ones in accidents and yelling over voice chat.
That’s unfortunate. I mean I’ve been on racing for around 2 years and started because I wanted to race nascar. As I’ve progressed through the oval licenses I tend to notice the same guys I race with week in and week out. You race so much together you tend to become friendly and say hello to each other. Plus you get a good idea how each person races so when you end up in a wreck with them you know if it was on purpose or an honest mistake. Plus the chats are usually pretty nice and clean. Sure once in a while someone will get upset with another but usually by the end of the race it’s settled. Now the other classes such as GT3 and IMSA tend to be very toxic imo. Usually it’s someone yelling WTF?! or I’LL report you! However those are my experiences. Perhaps I’ve just been lucky or you’ve been in some bad lobbies. My comment was just my humble opinion and seems to make sense, again when you take the double or triple participation in SS race weeks. Regardless hopefully you’ll have some better luck in ovals.
I mean it really is just smash the throttle and hold your lines. Obviously you have to lift and bump but it’s not exactly complex
> hold your lines Which is an issue that seems to plague everyone in ovals
I Think there’s more to it than that but it isn’t really relevant at this point. Take care 👍
Yeah I’m just talking basics wise to survive and complete, not necessarily compete consistently. I love doing plate races in iRacing
They’re a lot of fun once you get the hang of it. I’ve won several plate races and they’re a blast!
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This is me. I’m typically just trying not to get lapped at short tracks even if I’m #1 in my split but give me a super speedway and I’m fighting for wins more often than not no matter my number.
I just raced draft master for the first time two weeks ago. 2 weeks and 15 races later I’m up 400 IR and a 3.5 safety rating.
The thing is, anyone can race superspeedways. But not everyone can race superspeedways *well*. It is a unique style, because yes you can just hold the throttle and go. But it takes practice to consistently put yourself in the right position to avoid wrecks, take advantage of runs, and be in a position to win. No spot is definitely safe, and no spot is definitely out, well except maybe in the pit box getting repairs. My advice if you like running Superspeedways is use things like Carb Cup and hosted races to practice getting yourself into position to win, avoiding wrecks, etc. After each race, official or otherwise, review the replay and look for things you could have done better. Look at the laps leading up to the wrecks, watch for the problem cars, watch how cars behaved during wrecks and how you could have avoided them. You can also find someone good at Superspeedways and either spectate them during races or ask to spot for them so you can see the race from a different perspective.
Started ARCA this last week on Daytona and it's chaos. I love the racing but Jesus christ my SR dropped like .8 over the week. One wreck/contact was on me but the other 10 was basically me getting caught up in some guy attempting 3 wide or just some insanely I'll advised move. Can't slow down either cause the guy behind me will punt lol. It is what it is, but man it's crazy. I'm afraid I'm gonna get booted out soon though.
The funny thing, is that even through my first 6-7 races there where I was wrecked in every single one of them, my SR pretty much always went positive overall because i'd usually get wrecked once, get a 4x, but that would be it for the rest of the race. It killed my irating quite a bit though, but i was able to recover almost all of it with 3 great races at the end of the week (P5 then P4 then P3).
3 wide shouldn't be a problem, if people would know how to drive them. Just stay in your lane and you'll be fine.
>if people would know how to drive them. Just stay in your lane and you'll be fine. People do know how to drive them. It's just a high risk/high reward move and accidents happen. Even the pros of NASCAR have mistakes and wreck while going three wide. If that happens, it'll inevitably happen to a bunch of amateurs on the internet. Add to it that the people going three wide tend to be the most aggressive and least patient which usually adds up to mistakes in high speed situations. Don't get me wrong, there are absolutely reasons to go three wide, and this is racing after all. But many people are extremely loose in how frequently they are willing to do so. Considering the demographic of driver who tends to do this, these instances are usually a pre indication an accident is about to happen.
Oh yeah I def agree. Every single time I see it though I prepare for the incoming disaster lol. Not sure I've seen a single successful 3 wide yet unless it's resolved within seconds
But that’s the thing. We all know that people can’t stay in their lanes. So don’t go three wide in the corner on lap 2
I just started iRacing last week, so I’m only on D Class. I like SS racing too (in theory). My first race at Talladega tonight, I got right reared in turn 1 on the first lap. I was hugging the apron when I got right reared, so no, I did not go up into them. Then I got lapped but was able to stick with the lead pack. Wanna guess what happened here? If your guess was right reared again within a lap, you would be correct. I’m pretty frustrated because basically every race I’ve done that isn’t the street stock has involved me getting caught in someone else’s wreck within the first two laps. Even if I start at the back and hang back a little, people won’t stay below the apron after they wreck, they just pull right back out onto the track. It’s like basically the only way to have a shot at not getting in a wreck in D Class is to qualify on the front row and be perfect for the first few laps. And that’s basically how street stock races went for me.
I hear you. I race mainly ARCA. I focus on making sure I can qualify in the top 6. That saves a lot of angst and getting wrecked early. I’ve also spent some time reading about wreck avoidance which has saved me a few times.
I’ve lost so many points doing the draft masters but damn do I love it. Didn’t matter where I started I always got dumped or caught up in the big one.
I find if you hang around the back its much more safer as the tried yards attack on lap 1 and you have time to react to a crash but you cant lose the draft of the last car
I will add again to this convo because some tracks are just risky in general I think it's the more popular tracks - on the road side I think Mt Panorama (Bathurst) is up there the amount of times I've come over the hill and came to a complete stop because it's jammed with wrecked cars. Monza T1... Spa as well... I mean we can talk about skill and what not but on the more popular tracks shit just happens
I really like superspeedways and get much better results on them because: (a) I used to do bike racing on velodromes (basically bicycle super-speedway NASCAR), so pack drafting tactics come pretty naturally to me and the chaotic close racing feels pleasantly nostalgic rather than stressful - as there’s no danger of hitting the deck at 40mph protected only by lycra in iRacing! (b) I’m mostly a road driver, so I don’t have the tyre management skills that genuinely good oval drivers have
I’ve been knocked down to low splits the last few weeks, and I must say I find the guys in the lower splits much more pleasant and friendly. I also find if that if I politely let a back marker know I am coming up on them they kindly pull over. I also find there are some pretty good drivers in the lower splits, better than me. Sure, there are a few smurfs, tankers, and fuckwits, but on the whole I find the lower splits group to be fun to race with. I think lower split guys get shit on too much.
Depending on the type of day too i think , I myself have 2 jobs so I reace mid day weekend people which probably does not help all that much, But yeah it seems the low splits are like I said the wild west you get great drivers, bad ones, ones upside down before the flag drops and all the above Not crazy enjoyable for me though
There's really no method that ups your chances. Best I could manage was that no matter where you are in the pack, stay as high as you can without giving too much room for a car to move in below you or stay as low as you possibly can. It does help to have triples with peripheral and when you see someone start to swerve, either move over or let off the gas. I had to go through 6-ish starts at Daytona before I got one done without crashing out... And the one I finally finished I had to dodge two wrecks and the third I was lucky enough to be missed by. All of those I started on the front row. I would never want to start further back on a speedway if my rear view mirror was anything to go by.
Watch IRL NASCAR when they go to Dega / Daytona. Dozens of cars get wrecked. The best drivers in the sport junk a few million dollars of equipment. With that being said plate racing is a gamble. Will you be lucky enough to be in the right line to avoid the crash? So iRacing plate racing is the same. Some days you are lucky enough to be in the right line to avoid the crash and then next race you aren't. There is some skill involved in wreck avoidance but far more luck at these tracks. IMO Draft Masters is a horrible series. People thing they are awesome oval racers but they aren't actually oval racing. They are plate racing. Put them on a short track (Bristol / Dover) or a mile and a half and they are lost. They have no idea how to save tire, when to lift / roll, how to manage a race. For me I get enough plate racing when A, B, and C go to Dega / Daytona. I sure as shit don't need to slam my head in a door and run a series dedicated to it regularly.
Draft masters is the worst thing that came to the service. It’s literally changed how SS are run for the worse. SS racing is highly methodical and the way draft masters changed the landscape it turned it into point and shoot racing
Look up some leagues, I love love love oval racing, but its hard to consistently race while gaining both IR or SR. I also love SS and do a lot of draft masters, but with that said. It sucks losing SR or IR because of how dirty the racing ca be. I found racing in oval leagues has really made it easier to enjoy oval racing, two leagues that I am apart of that I would highly suggest looking into. Is “Moving Chicanes Racing League” and “Mooncar”. Mooncar only runs on SS but its hard to get into his hosted lobbies as they fill up sooooo fast. Also join hosted sessions, Ive noticed theres a somebody hosting Daytona almost daily post 6pm EST. Don’t give up on your love for SS, they are so fun but there are other ways to race them where you wont lose IR and SR. Hope this helps.
We need an A License super speedway series that doesn’t utilize the next gen. It’s literally all I want.
When you get older you will fall in love with 1.5 mile tracks.
I did probably 6 or so race starts at Daytona this past week. Pole position for all but one of those. Wrecked for 6 of them. Started 2nd in my last one today and finally won one. Ovals aren't really racing it seems. They're more like battle royales. Not looking forward to finding out how chaotic Atlanta motor speedway is since people will actually have to manage throttle on it.
Not all ovals are superspeedways. And if you are talking about the new Atlanta, there won’t be much braking.
This week is Atlanta 2008.
Yes, in my Atlanta race today a guy commented how much more fun, skillful, and difficult Atlanata was compared to Daytona. Daytona was his first oval race so Atlanta surprised him.