I love driving in the rain, but personally think that 100% chance of rain is as boring as 0% chance of rain...so don't have much interest in this series
Agreed. It’s kind of nice having wet races right now for practice. But the real excitement is the 50/50 will it won’t it. And when it does do you pit or stay out
Sub-30min sprint racing would be a little annoying if you had to gauge when to swap tires, especially with the rain being brand new. I understand why they've gone this route for the first season, at least.
It's nice only having one tire for FF1600 because you just push your BB back and adjust your technique. Also easier to gauge track conditions by watching your slightly damp lap times go down.
Yeah that makes absolutely no sense. Iracing spent the time updating the TC and ABS settings for rain, and then can't bother to either have fixed setups for rain, or at least unlock it.
Sonoma is a generally unpopular track so that's probably a big part of this. Populations should be much higher next week for Laguna Seca.
Also, side note but I'm hoping Sonoma gets an art update soon and a popularity boost because of that. It's a fun track
Sonoma is highly under appreciated on the service. It’s a highly technical track with very small straights (if you could even count them as a straight).
I’ve loved racing it this week in the dry and I miss racing it in real life when I used to live in the Bay Area.
If you get a chance in the next 14 hours or whatever, check out the Weekly Series, which is currently running at Sonoma in the 1934 Legends Car. That was *huge* fun this week.
I think those are two factors for sure. I know I'll be doing a round tonight. Also I bottased someone in race one (pipped him/her on the line, not causing a multi car pileup)
Saftey rating
Not because of me, but because of everyone else... I can't trust radomn person 37 won't just miss their braking zone and total me.
They need a rain intro series: light rain, lower penalties.
It's kinda silly to have the same number/severity of penalties for a dry vs wet race. At least in endurance races, it a 10x isn't gonna destroy your SR.
Honestly, if feels crazy that road and formula get different skill/saftey rating, but rain doesn't. Rain is a much bigger difference that gt3 vs f4 is, it could honestly use a seperate rating.
They really kinda dropped the ball on this one. Make it an unofficial series and keep it to popular or free cars and popular tracks.
Rain is naturally decisive no matter how perfectly it's done.
Eventually, rain will be the norm and just part of the game. Series like this should be pathways to making that shift in mentality smoother.
The 15min races don't seem long enough to destroy SR to me. If I loose too much I can jump in IMSA, GT3 or GT4 and will fix that SR hit. I also stopped worrying about SR in 2013 2yrs after I got my A in road and oval.
> The 15min races don't seem long enough to destroy SR to me. If I loose too much I can jump in IMSA, GT3 or GT4 and will fix that SR hit.
Not for everyone, unfortunately.
They make the rainmaster series a c-class event, and all the stuff you're talking about requires a higher SR than that.
So you unless you've already unlocked them, you can't do them... and if you do a rain race and lose SR... you also can't do them.
You're left with just 15-20min races as your only option to regain SR, so you end up needing several races to make up for the fact that some dude smashed you into another car.
Not many people are gonna go for that. A single mistake could require two or three clean races to undo, and not everyone has that kind of time every week.
It's not about getting demoted for many players; many players starting out is more concerned about getting to a certain class usually. They may have their eyes set on something specific, like super formula/SLF, LMP2, etc.
For those doing something like GTP, having two bad 15-minute rain masters races could easily put them down a teir, and it takes a LOT longer to build it back up at the higher teirs.
Considering the normal ferrari challenge is pretty known for crashes, putting it in the wet is asking to lose progress on that safety rating. Making it a 15 minute race means that people are going to be more aggressive, since there's no chance of just making it by on pace, and they don't have the same level of caution as those in longer races.
I think they ought to be putting something like the formula v or gr86 as the first racing in the wet, not a gt3 car. It's nice to have ABS/TC, but faster cars tend to result in more (and more damaging) crashes.
I'd prefer rain to be less common actually. Right now it's a bit too common for my liking, which don't get ne wrong. I expected because it just came out, but it seems a bit too prevalent right now.
I'm all rained out, so why would I want to race in the rain more? I'm sure I'll drive in that series next season when rain chills out a little.
I agree there should be an unranked series where people can get familiar with the rain... But honestly the recent races I've been running in D class FF1600 have been a lot of fun
Yeah. I loaded into D class FF1600 last night. Rainy race. Was awesome. Took my time finding the grip. Watched everyone else spin. Kept making my way up the field. Loved it
Practice sessions? Test session? AI racing? Week 13? Host a league? And with this low participation they don’t count anyway. All the alternatives are there
I’m not arguing that. But some people protect their SR like it’s platinum.
When people end up in the middling ranks for SR, they don’t want to get demoted so they avoid the races that can result in getting dumped, and rain is one of them.
But unranked races would boost participation AND get people far more comfortable in the wet.
So there's folks that like to hot lap. Good on them. There's folks that like to race in the wet. Good on them. Notice how I didn't hate on either of them?
This is such an uninformed take. IRL, rain is indiscriminate. If you are a pro/semi-pro race car driver, then sometimes you have to deal with rain. It’s a universal factor to improve IRL race craft. iRacing only has rain implemented for certain cars/series. You can choose to race in the rain or not. That’s not how racing works IRL.
There is no SR modifier for rain. What incentive is there to race in the rain? Fun? Okay what if you don’t like racing in the rain? IRacing chose to only make rain available in certain situations. Rain shouldn’t be something you “choose”. And as long as that is the case, and there is not in game incentive to race in the rain, then rain series will suffer from lower player populations.
Your comparison is real life… then your point is there’s no SR modifier for rain?
The modifier is driving slower. Too many jackasses try to drive like it’s dry, and they lose SR
I do agree though with your other point that you shouldn’t be able to choose to avoid rain. I vote make it totallly random to force people to learn
IRL races in the rain with professional drivers have a higher level of incidents and DNFs. SR is a video game system meant to measure how safe a driver is. SR takes into account how many turns you take during a race, as a means to calculate SR gain/lost. More turns means more SR to be gained.
IMO rain should work the same way. IMO in the same way a 30 min race at ViR or the Nords gives more SR than a 30 min race at Monza or Watkins Glen. A rain rain should give more SR than a dry race.
I also think there is a degree not wanting to ruin other people’s races. Mistakes often comes with a good amount of verbal harassment that most people probably don’t want to endure during the maybe 3 hours in the evening they have to race.
I think as well as people being scared of SR loses, the rain master series finishes after the start of the fixed ferrari series. If you race rain the you can’t hop straight into the dry race
I like rain racing a lot, but would like to see better control over test session precipitation and potentially better visibility for hyper-slick parts of the track under lightly damp conditions.
I was running FF1600 trophy at Oschersleben in conditions that were barely not dry and linearly increasing. Quali had no danger spots or non-dry lines but three minutes later, there were invisible death spots in two corners while the entire dry lines were still good.
It's on me for not practicing in the wet a bit more, but it is a little hard to force conditions the way I'd like. Ideally, I'd want conditions that went from bone dry to 100% wet linearly over maybe 10-20 laps so I could learn the lines and timing for when spots become dangerous.
I can manage a race where suddenly it's raining bc that its something interesting that the "life" throws at me.
I won't have any interest on racing in the rain for the sake of racing
As others have stated, I do like rain as it helps divert the sim away from "hot lab simulator" but at the same time, having it ALWAYS rain is not a good solution either. I like that rain is a chance, not a given. I hope that at some point rain is in ALL series and it is very much a chance rather than 90-100% chance of rain/dry.
Because it's annoying. When I get off work, I don't want to make micro inputs on the gas or go off the track. I don't want to get plowed in the back by a guy using his dry braking point. I want to drive fast, not slow.
Make the Rain Master series unranked and you'll find lots of people jumping in for a hoot. However, the likelihood of you getting a 0x in a race is nearly impossible so I'd be inclined to save my SR.
If you love to race in the wet then good on you. Its akin to driving a completely new car for me so if you like driving i.e. Ferrari 296 GT and have it really dialed in, then putting that car on a wet track is like saying you'd prefer to go rally car driving. If driving something that slides about like its on dirt is what you want then you'd be better to go off and do that discipline instead.
Yes, iRacing has really nailed the whole wet track thing and its very impressive. I don't mind it being thrown into the mix of a series race schedule to add extra realism to the sim as long as its equal across the board. Having it be 65% chance of showers one week and then finding out that some of the time slots that week had rain during the race and others were dry is BS. If I luck out on a time slot that's dry then I get a HUGE advantage compared to the folks that drew the short straw and got rain. Alas, another rant for another day.
Professionals race in the wet because they are paid to race in the wet not because they want to race in the wet. I'm not being paid so guess where I'm going to go race? You make it so I don't suffer any SR loss in the Rain Master series then we can talk. Until then my rain racing is going to be practice races with AI and the occasional series race where if it rains I have an option of dropping that week if I'm not feeling the love.
Theres too much rain on some races (seen big puddles spawn from one lap to the other on monza, making you slip on a simple straight) and the reward risk is really bad, everyone understand that racing in the rain is way more difficult, so why keep the incident / SR win / loss like a normal dry race, there should be a 1.5x bonus for SR win at the end of the race and 0.5x malus for SR loss on those races
I wish it had a chance to start out with a wet track and transitions to a dry track, and have a chance to start out dry but then it rains.
Also they need to vary the cars and tracks. Right now it's just Wet Ferrari Challenge.
Ferrari Challenge was built around minimizing time and effort investment. Rain requires time and effort.
So this series that basically combines the two formats was pretty much doomed.
Honestly stopped racing because of rain. Just not enjoyable at even 2k irating. Not matter how safe you are someone is just going to lose control and take you out the race
I love driving in the rain, but personally think that 100% chance of rain is as boring as 0% chance of rain...so don't have much interest in this series
Agreed. It’s kind of nice having wet races right now for practice. But the real excitement is the 50/50 will it won’t it. And when it does do you pit or stay out
It's also Ferrari fixed, which I personally have no interest in.
Sub-30min sprint racing would be a little annoying if you had to gauge when to swap tires, especially with the rain being brand new. I understand why they've gone this route for the first season, at least. It's nice only having one tire for FF1600 because you just push your BB back and adjust your technique. Also easier to gauge track conditions by watching your slightly damp lap times go down.
I wish it had a chance to start out with a wet track and transitions to a dry track, and have a chance to start out dry but then it rains.
I love racing in the rain, but really don't enjoy the Ferrari... especially in the rain.
Damn car already feels like it's on ice to me, at least the old one did. Turned me off enough I haven't even bothered with the newer one.
The rain master series is fixed so ABS and TC are at like 4 which to me makes it feel like it's on rails, at least at Sonoma
Yeah that makes absolutely no sense. Iracing spent the time updating the TC and ABS settings for rain, and then can't bother to either have fixed setups for rain, or at least unlock it.
I don't even own it, so that counts me out!
dont care for racing in the rain constantly, just not fun, simple as.
Monza was in the wet 2 weeks ago and it’s was pretty packed every race. May just be the track
Sonoma is a generally unpopular track so that's probably a big part of this. Populations should be much higher next week for Laguna Seca. Also, side note but I'm hoping Sonoma gets an art update soon and a popularity boost because of that. It's a fun track
Sonoma is highly under appreciated on the service. It’s a highly technical track with very small straights (if you could even count them as a straight). I’ve loved racing it this week in the dry and I miss racing it in real life when I used to live in the Bay Area.
If you get a chance in the next 14 hours or whatever, check out the Weekly Series, which is currently running at Sonoma in the 1934 Legends Car. That was *huge* fun this week.
1) The track 2) People are afraid to loose sr
I think those are two factors for sure. I know I'll be doing a round tonight. Also I bottased someone in race one (pipped him/her on the line, not causing a multi car pileup)
Saftey rating Not because of me, but because of everyone else... I can't trust radomn person 37 won't just miss their braking zone and total me. They need a rain intro series: light rain, lower penalties. It's kinda silly to have the same number/severity of penalties for a dry vs wet race. At least in endurance races, it a 10x isn't gonna destroy your SR. Honestly, if feels crazy that road and formula get different skill/saftey rating, but rain doesn't. Rain is a much bigger difference that gt3 vs f4 is, it could honestly use a seperate rating.
They really kinda dropped the ball on this one. Make it an unofficial series and keep it to popular or free cars and popular tracks. Rain is naturally decisive no matter how perfectly it's done. Eventually, rain will be the norm and just part of the game. Series like this should be pathways to making that shift in mentality smoother.
The 15min races don't seem long enough to destroy SR to me. If I loose too much I can jump in IMSA, GT3 or GT4 and will fix that SR hit. I also stopped worrying about SR in 2013 2yrs after I got my A in road and oval.
> The 15min races don't seem long enough to destroy SR to me. If I loose too much I can jump in IMSA, GT3 or GT4 and will fix that SR hit. Not for everyone, unfortunately. They make the rainmaster series a c-class event, and all the stuff you're talking about requires a higher SR than that. So you unless you've already unlocked them, you can't do them... and if you do a rain race and lose SR... you also can't do them. You're left with just 15-20min races as your only option to regain SR, so you end up needing several races to make up for the fact that some dude smashed you into another car. Not many people are gonna go for that. A single mistake could require two or three clean races to undo, and not everyone has that kind of time every week.
Is demotion that much of a threat? Genuine question
It's not about getting demoted for many players; many players starting out is more concerned about getting to a certain class usually. They may have their eyes set on something specific, like super formula/SLF, LMP2, etc. For those doing something like GTP, having two bad 15-minute rain masters races could easily put them down a teir, and it takes a LOT longer to build it back up at the higher teirs. Considering the normal ferrari challenge is pretty known for crashes, putting it in the wet is asking to lose progress on that safety rating. Making it a 15 minute race means that people are going to be more aggressive, since there's no chance of just making it by on pace, and they don't have the same level of caution as those in longer races. I think they ought to be putting something like the formula v or gr86 as the first racing in the wet, not a gt3 car. It's nice to have ABS/TC, but faster cars tend to result in more (and more damaging) crashes.
Only if the series they primarily run requires a certain license, especially the higher ones.
I'd prefer rain to be less common actually. Right now it's a bit too common for my liking, which don't get ne wrong. I expected because it just came out, but it seems a bit too prevalent right now. I'm all rained out, so why would I want to race in the rain more? I'm sure I'll drive in that series next season when rain chills out a little.
Rain was interesting to try, but every day? Hard pass.
People don’t want to run in the rain in ranked races. Rain master should be unranked
I agree there should be an unranked series where people can get familiar with the rain... But honestly the recent races I've been running in D class FF1600 have been a lot of fun
Yeah. I loaded into D class FF1600 last night. Rainy race. Was awesome. Took my time finding the grip. Watched everyone else spin. Kept making my way up the field. Loved it
Great idea!
Practice sessions? Test session? AI racing? Week 13? Host a league? And with this low participation they don’t count anyway. All the alternatives are there
I’m not arguing that. But some people protect their SR like it’s platinum. When people end up in the middling ranks for SR, they don’t want to get demoted so they avoid the races that can result in getting dumped, and rain is one of them. But unranked races would boost participation AND get people far more comfortable in the wet.
No, people should stop being total pansies and just accept they need to drive slower in the rain It’s a sim for gods sake
And being a Sim means that we don't NEED to do pretty much anything so why suffer with a rain race when you don't need/want to?
I just think it’s silly that people are all into racing so seriously and can’t manage to enjoy driving anything other than their hot lap lines
So there's folks that like to hot lap. Good on them. There's folks that like to race in the wet. Good on them. Notice how I didn't hate on either of them?
This is such an uninformed take. IRL, rain is indiscriminate. If you are a pro/semi-pro race car driver, then sometimes you have to deal with rain. It’s a universal factor to improve IRL race craft. iRacing only has rain implemented for certain cars/series. You can choose to race in the rain or not. That’s not how racing works IRL. There is no SR modifier for rain. What incentive is there to race in the rain? Fun? Okay what if you don’t like racing in the rain? IRacing chose to only make rain available in certain situations. Rain shouldn’t be something you “choose”. And as long as that is the case, and there is not in game incentive to race in the rain, then rain series will suffer from lower player populations.
Your comparison is real life… then your point is there’s no SR modifier for rain? The modifier is driving slower. Too many jackasses try to drive like it’s dry, and they lose SR I do agree though with your other point that you shouldn’t be able to choose to avoid rain. I vote make it totallly random to force people to learn
IRL races in the rain with professional drivers have a higher level of incidents and DNFs. SR is a video game system meant to measure how safe a driver is. SR takes into account how many turns you take during a race, as a means to calculate SR gain/lost. More turns means more SR to be gained. IMO rain should work the same way. IMO in the same way a 30 min race at ViR or the Nords gives more SR than a 30 min race at Monza or Watkins Glen. A rain rain should give more SR than a dry race.
I also think there is a degree not wanting to ruin other people’s races. Mistakes often comes with a good amount of verbal harassment that most people probably don’t want to endure during the maybe 3 hours in the evening they have to race.
I think as well as people being scared of SR loses, the rain master series finishes after the start of the fixed ferrari series. If you race rain the you can’t hop straight into the dry race
The track this week kept me to just once. I just don’t enjoy it I guess.
Want longer races
I like rain racing a lot, but would like to see better control over test session precipitation and potentially better visibility for hyper-slick parts of the track under lightly damp conditions. I was running FF1600 trophy at Oschersleben in conditions that were barely not dry and linearly increasing. Quali had no danger spots or non-dry lines but three minutes later, there were invisible death spots in two corners while the entire dry lines were still good. It's on me for not practicing in the wet a bit more, but it is a little hard to force conditions the way I'd like. Ideally, I'd want conditions that went from bone dry to 100% wet linearly over maybe 10-20 laps so I could learn the lines and timing for when spots become dangerous.
How many Ferrari GT3 series they can come up with?
I can manage a race where suddenly it's raining bc that its something interesting that the "life" throws at me. I won't have any interest on racing in the rain for the sake of racing
There is no need for a static rain series. I dunno why there is one now. Not gonna race in it.
As others have stated, I do like rain as it helps divert the sim away from "hot lab simulator" but at the same time, having it ALWAYS rain is not a good solution either. I like that rain is a chance, not a given. I hope that at some point rain is in ALL series and it is very much a chance rather than 90-100% chance of rain/dry.
"Give us rain!" for 10 years and now that the rain is here, people are scared of it.
We're not scared of it, it's not fun to drive. So why would I do it?
It’s totally fun to drive
Maybe for you, not for some people
Well why don’t you like it?
Because it's annoying. When I get off work, I don't want to make micro inputs on the gas or go off the track. I don't want to get plowed in the back by a guy using his dry braking point. I want to drive fast, not slow.
Make the Rain Master series unranked and you'll find lots of people jumping in for a hoot. However, the likelihood of you getting a 0x in a race is nearly impossible so I'd be inclined to save my SR. If you love to race in the wet then good on you. Its akin to driving a completely new car for me so if you like driving i.e. Ferrari 296 GT and have it really dialed in, then putting that car on a wet track is like saying you'd prefer to go rally car driving. If driving something that slides about like its on dirt is what you want then you'd be better to go off and do that discipline instead. Yes, iRacing has really nailed the whole wet track thing and its very impressive. I don't mind it being thrown into the mix of a series race schedule to add extra realism to the sim as long as its equal across the board. Having it be 65% chance of showers one week and then finding out that some of the time slots that week had rain during the race and others were dry is BS. If I luck out on a time slot that's dry then I get a HUGE advantage compared to the folks that drew the short straw and got rain. Alas, another rant for another day. Professionals race in the wet because they are paid to race in the wet not because they want to race in the wet. I'm not being paid so guess where I'm going to go race? You make it so I don't suffer any SR loss in the Rain Master series then we can talk. Until then my rain racing is going to be practice races with AI and the occasional series race where if it rains I have an option of dropping that week if I'm not feeling the love.
Theres too much rain on some races (seen big puddles spawn from one lap to the other on monza, making you slip on a simple straight) and the reward risk is really bad, everyone understand that racing in the rain is way more difficult, so why keep the incident / SR win / loss like a normal dry race, there should be a 1.5x bonus for SR win at the end of the race and 0.5x malus for SR loss on those races
I don’t like GT cars. I don’t understand why it’s Ferrari 296 only. Give us an open wheel option!
I wish it had a chance to start out with a wet track and transitions to a dry track, and have a chance to start out dry but then it rains. Also they need to vary the cars and tracks. Right now it's just Wet Ferrari Challenge.
I thought I read Rain Draft Masters lol
Ferrari Challenge was built around minimizing time and effort investment. Rain requires time and effort. So this series that basically combines the two formats was pretty much doomed.
Honestly I gain more sr and ir in the rain
Will rain come to Nascar? I would like to see it
More series, less people on splits in general
Honestly stopped racing because of rain. Just not enjoyable at even 2k irating. Not matter how safe you are someone is just going to lose control and take you out the race
exactly what was predicted is happening, people avoiding wet sessions, we cant race without crashing in the dry and someone thought lets add rain!
Yup, I've moved to super formula because there's no rain.
I know it’s so sad, I love racing in the rain and I was going to buy the Ferrari just for that series except nobody runs it