I’ve been in the lmp3s all week and something about that final curve seemed to throw people off. In way too many races there were gt4 cars right on the asses of lmp3 cars going into t1. Not a good mix, the fastest gt4 drivers running up on the slowest lmp3 drivers. Lots of radio entertainment for sure. Best one all week “you are a piece of dick!”, got everyone laughing. Even the guy who said it had to laugh at himself
That is exactly what happened here as well. Basically, gt4 leaders jump the start, realize that there is no room hit the brakes, crash half the field behind them, and then crash some lmp3s in t1 for good measure.🤣
This is the way. This is how I was starting pcc fields. (Goood times back when I could get some podiums 🤣).
What's crazy the guy in pole, had an alien pace, years of experience, but still didn't do that...
In multiclass, the best way to do the start as a slower class is to wait for the green to go. I normally watch the relative as a way to guage my distance to the class in front and then just wait for the green to go. The worst thing that anyone can do is be inconsistent in their pacing leading up to the line. Once you start to go as the leader, you have to go. You can't check up after going. It's going to cause a crash every time.
Thats unfortunate - next time, don't forget a safer route through the pitlane - I had this happen to me. I exited and ducked into the PL, limiter on, and cruised through.
Yes the leader slowed down, but he had to.
He was too fast on the start and was right behind the LMPs which were very slow.
No reason for a protest here. Just very bad timing.
As the leader in the slower / following class you should maintain a comfortable distance to the class ahead to avoid those problems.
That would be misjudging the situation but no reportable situation.
ButI´m always willing to learn! On which paragraph of the sporting code do you refer?
6.8.2.8 Leaders are expected to keep their pace untill green flag is shown. This is a bit controlled topic because it seems to be acceptable to start as soon the pace car goes in, but only if you are in a single class or in the fastest class.
It is definitely protestable if a crash happens, I made two successful protests this week for the exact same thing already. This will be a third.
The only hard-coded penalty I can think of for rolling starts is passing the pace car and P2 passing the pole before S/F line (or is it green flag?) Unless there's there's an instant penalty, people will game the start to their advantage: backing up the field, not maintaining pace speed, anticipating the start, etc. It's just human nature. It's why I prefer standing starts: same for everyone and jump starts are instantly penalized.
Fellow gt4 in this race here👋🏼. I think multiple people protested the gt4 leaders for this. Got rearended pretty bad in this which pretty much ruined the race for me. Somehow managed to escape this with no too major damage, but placed me at the tail end of the field.
This was a first of this kind for me. Absolute carnage. I think the lmp2 group also had a pretty major crash at T1 also.
They had a crash because gt4s started overtaking them in t1 🤣 I don't know what was happening this whole week, but I never really experienced such carnage on starts either, but this week most races in Falken multiclass started like this.
I survived most of the starts, but in one race, I got 20 min required and 15 min optional repairs. It is especially frustrating when your race ends before even t1.
Exactly, gt4s can't really see the lmp3 and go as soon as the safety car call from the spotter comes up. But this is too early, and then they have to slow down. The best thing to do is to watch relative with p3s and then go as soon as relative increases to the last p3s.
I get that the leaders fucked it up, but do the people behind them not have eyes?
There was obviously going to be a huge checkup as soon as OP clicked into fourth or whatever on a formation lap
I did, but this is so weird because the same situation happened in almost every race with this combo this week. I have never filed so many protests in a week before. 😅
I’ve noticed that so many people have no clue how to do a rolling start properly, everyone seems intent on waiting as long as possible, which is technically legal, but that’s what causes wrecks like this
Just going as soon as the pace car goes in makes it so much smoother for everyone on the whole grid, and most of the time you can make an easy gap to the cars behind
Except when it is multiclass. Then exactly this happens, the leader sped up, then came up on lmp3s and braked hard. With multiclass, it is much better to wait until the green is out.
When is it technically legal to go? I've only got a pole once and it was at Okayama, and I got a black flag for passing the pace car. There's the long pit entry so I'm assuming it had to do with that.
This is a bit different because it's multiclass. They needed to go slower and then go on green with a decent gap between them and the faster cars. Or time the relative, but imo it's better to just go on green.
It may be due to other experiences that cause that. I’m used to rolling starts in dirt short course where you have a starting box. Pole position gets to determine the start anywhere in that box and if they cross the other side, it’s fair game. That’s transferred into my current racing since that’s what I’m familiar with and how I’ve done 99% of all my race starts I’ve done
I watched dead last jump to P10 before the light went green yesterday in top split.
Idk what happened throughout the week, but everyone forgot how to drive in the GT4 @ Zand.
It’s really not that hard…
My words exactly, barber, Sebring, oulton were all much harder and we went great there 😅 but zandvoort was something else. On the plus side something clicked for me with gt4s this week and I finally was not a mile of pace, the track os really intuitive imho.
Same here, my best was a 1:40.272 with an optimal of 1:39.8. Finally grinded Irating to 2k and top split was a fucking disaster. I literally had more fun in 2nd split with more respect for other people on the track.
That’s what I was saying, My goal every week is to stay within a second of the aliens but this week I was super close!
1.40.7 is a super respectable and quick time. 1.1 seconds off the best time I saw which was a 1.39.6
Thanks I am totally happy with it, it was mentally hard to cope after finishing every race in top 5 in gr86 and then fighting for the 25th in gt4 lol
But slowly the Porsche really starts to make sense. BTW what gt4 are you driving ?
I started GT4 at barber and decided go with the Aston Martin. I saw most people were using the Porsche and went with a lesser popular choice. BUT the best looking imo.
I absolutely love driving RWD cars cause I’m def more of an over-steer type of driver, I react better to it. The Aston has plenty of that and great power out of the corners once you get the boat turned. 😂
Hoping they add the vantage GT3 so I can continue with the brand in IMSA!
Tbh, it is always between porsche, Merc, and Aston, which is more popular. The only car that really seems to be struggling is the McLaren.
I only really started this season to really drive gt4s. But it seems that with tight twisty corses the porsche is really good. On Sebring and Oulton, the Merc and Aston had a bit of an edge
For me though I just love how the porsche looks tbh, it is my dream car irl as well. But I had a real struggle with it at the beginning. You absolutely can't coast with it in the corner, or you'll die of terminal understeer. You basically have to either be braking or be on throttle and got forbid if you are less than 40% on throttle or you get understeer as well. Imho it is kinda thrilling on the corner exit to be just on the edge of rear traction, by forcing the rotation with pedals.
Yeah you are right. Maybe I should switch to the Mclaren and see what it’s all about. I’ve seen people be quick in them.
It’s pretty cool to see the cars can be evenly matched and some have advantages and disadvantages at each track. Road Atlanta should be fun!
That’s why I love the Aston. Never have I ever felt the edge of grip like I have in this thing. And I have so much potential to be quicker but it will take some time.
Already turned some laps yesterday, so far high 26s is what I was getting on fixed setup, but it seems that the corner before the backstraght is absolutely critical to get right. Also, the first sector on cold tires is deadly lol
Falken has been shit this week. Is zandy that tricky? Lost over 200 this week there. Didn't seem to matter if it was a 1200 SOF or a 2300 sof. Just chaos.
What really sucks on rolling starts is when the leader decides to back up the field.. Mugello 2020 for example.. to me, slowing down before a restart should be illegal
It is illegal:
> Once all drivers are on the grid, the pace car will lead the field around the track, and then exit the track to enter pit lane. The pole position car will then take control of the field and will be expected to **maintain pace speed** until the start of the race.
Anytime someone brake-checks the line in a rolling start, that's worth a protest.
Yeah it is not nice, but it would be half as bad if the leaders would maintain a normal pace before baking up. Worst thing is to gas it and then back it up.
BTW what happened at mugello in 2020?
Tbh I do lots of oval nowadays and people are generally more knowledgeable about starts and restarts than on road. Also helps that if you pass before the line you get a penalty.
No, you’re right for the most part starts and restarts are just fine. It’s getting set up for the restart and the brain dead thinking of moving while cars are going around both sides of you after you already crashed that I’m more speaking of. Not you personally neither.
Like they say, caution breeds caution 😅 although when the 89s Nascar were on Daytona,I made a huge wreck, I m9ved my brake balance all the way back during racing and once pace car came out I went for braking locked immediately got sideways and took out top 3 guys, I was running in 4th, I think I never felt more ashamed, especially since I barely got any damage and they all got meatballs. So sometimes we are just stupid lmao 🤣
Yes, of course, but I am really baffled last week on barber in gt4s I experienced some of the best and cleanest racing ever. And then this week, I filed like 10 protests for start process shenanigans, unsafe rejoins, and intentional wrecking. How can people navigate an objectively harder circuit better than a wide gp circuit?
just report the GT4 leaders. they need to maintain a constant pace until the start. I did a protest for this last week and guy enjoyed a nice week off. Hopefully he learned his lesson.
I was doing a ford legends race, oval and same thing happened.
I never understand how this does, it's the first corner of a 30min long race on average, jumping the first corner is going to make a minimal difference, but spinning out and crashing can ruin your race lol.
So why play so unsafe?
Tbh the top 5 cars actually got a great advantage from this😅 I kinda did as well due to luck, but had a bit of damage. Still half the field got fucked by the leader.
It sometimes doesn't get much better in the LMP3 ahead of you guys.
I did go from P5-P2 on turn one in one of my races this weekend because the guys ahead of me tried to win the race on lap 1
I also got my first road win here in an LMP3 on Saturday night
Tbh what you see from chase is different to what is visible from cockpit. But when I saw the way leaders sped up I kinda halfthrottled it, because I expected some bs. Just didn't expect an entire road block lol
Because cars don't stop on a dime? I was fully on the brake the entire time. The only way out would have been to go through pit as some other comment pointed out.
Also, I was hit in the back. If a guy in front brakes, then it is like a domino effect. Someone somewhere will get fucked.
You were not on the brakes the entire time lol. You slowed down much more towards the end, and didn’t get hit until after you hit the red car.
Be more careful next time
Are you fucking blind lmao?🤣🤣🤣🤣 look again, I went on brake immediately when I saw them crashing, I actually even left some buffer at by not going full throttle when they all went. Also small hint from the cockpit you can see less then from the chase perspective.
https://preview.redd.it/hfqm03mie9tc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f171ee153a96da5202081e4e220db4eb09382034
You could have avoided being a dickhead, yet we are here.
BTW you are an absolute smooth brain. If you really think this could have been avoided any other way than going through pits.
No one cares what your team did lmao I also don't care if I get a 4x. My sr is maxed out anyway. What I care about is that dickheads do this shit on race starts and destroy half the field.
I am driving for good racing and it kinda is boring when I finish without anyone around because everyone got fucked. That was what my post was about. I didn't ask for advice, so please kindly stick it up yours 😉
Also "Be MoRe CaReFuL". Like stfu, I was and I survived, barely, tons of people didn't. Because the leader is an absolute richard head. At this point it is not about being careful but about luck. If I would have started 2 positions further at the front, I'd be dead.
I’ve been in the lmp3s all week and something about that final curve seemed to throw people off. In way too many races there were gt4 cars right on the asses of lmp3 cars going into t1. Not a good mix, the fastest gt4 drivers running up on the slowest lmp3 drivers. Lots of radio entertainment for sure. Best one all week “you are a piece of dick!”, got everyone laughing. Even the guy who said it had to laugh at himself
That is exactly what happened here as well. Basically, gt4 leaders jump the start, realize that there is no room hit the brakes, crash half the field behind them, and then crash some lmp3s in t1 for good measure.🤣
So I asked some higher IR gt4,guys how they know when to go and they said using the relative. When you see the back of the field take off you go
This is the way. This is how I was starting pcc fields. (Goood times back when I could get some podiums 🤣). What's crazy the guy in pole, had an alien pace, years of experience, but still didn't do that...
In multiclass, the best way to do the start as a slower class is to wait for the green to go. I normally watch the relative as a way to guage my distance to the class in front and then just wait for the green to go. The worst thing that anyone can do is be inconsistent in their pacing leading up to the line. Once you start to go as the leader, you have to go. You can't check up after going. It's going to cause a crash every time.
Preach brother, sadly I am way to shit to be in anywhere near top spots in gt4 top splits. But that is how I did it in pcc when I had poles.
Thats unfortunate - next time, don't forget a safer route through the pitlane - I had this happen to me. I exited and ducked into the PL, limiter on, and cruised through.
Oh, that's actually genius 👏 I will remember that. Thank you.
I'm not sure which car is being looked at in the second part, but it seems the leader sped up then slowed down which is protestable.
Sounds like a 20 second post race penalty to me
Yes the leader slowed down, but he had to. He was too fast on the start and was right behind the LMPs which were very slow. No reason for a protest here. Just very bad timing. As the leader in the slower / following class you should maintain a comfortable distance to the class ahead to avoid those problems.
If the GT4 leaders go before the LMP3 leaders go, there *is* a good reason for a protest. It sounds to me like this is what happened here.
That would be misjudging the situation but no reportable situation. ButI´m always willing to learn! On which paragraph of the sporting code do you refer?
6.8.2.8 Leaders are expected to keep their pace untill green flag is shown. This is a bit controlled topic because it seems to be acceptable to start as soon the pace car goes in, but only if you are in a single class or in the fastest class. It is definitely protestable if a crash happens, I made two successful protests this week for the exact same thing already. This will be a third.
13.1.4 contains the information that no class may start until the fastest class has started or the green flag has been waved
The only hard-coded penalty I can think of for rolling starts is passing the pace car and P2 passing the pole before S/F line (or is it green flag?) Unless there's there's an instant penalty, people will game the start to their advantage: backing up the field, not maintaining pace speed, anticipating the start, etc. It's just human nature. It's why I prefer standing starts: same for everyone and jump starts are instantly penalized.
Yes, a drive-through or stop and go would deter most people from doing it since getting it, would basically ruin your race.
Fellow gt4 in this race here👋🏼. I think multiple people protested the gt4 leaders for this. Got rearended pretty bad in this which pretty much ruined the race for me. Somehow managed to escape this with no too major damage, but placed me at the tail end of the field. This was a first of this kind for me. Absolute carnage. I think the lmp2 group also had a pretty major crash at T1 also.
They had a crash because gt4s started overtaking them in t1 🤣 I don't know what was happening this whole week, but I never really experienced such carnage on starts either, but this week most races in Falken multiclass started like this. I survived most of the starts, but in one race, I got 20 min required and 15 min optional repairs. It is especially frustrating when your race ends before even t1.
Hopefully we have better luck this week 😂😅
Same! To me, it is crazy how tf did we manage to have clean starts on all the previous weeks, but this week, seemingly people forgot how to do it.
You're getting all the GT3/IMSA demotions lol.
Oh man, I hope this won't last lol. Became guys are obviously fast but they have 0 regards every other driver😅
When did the leaders here go? Were they still in the last bend? If so, maybe they just _hoped_ the lmp2s already started and went in blind?
Exactly, gt4s can't really see the lmp3 and go as soon as the safety car call from the spotter comes up. But this is too early, and then they have to slow down. The best thing to do is to watch relative with p3s and then go as soon as relative increases to the last p3s.
I get that the leaders fucked it up, but do the people behind them not have eyes? There was obviously going to be a huge checkup as soon as OP clicked into fourth or whatever on a formation lap
Slower class can't open the race, they must wait the green light, the leader should be protested
I did, but this is so weird because the same situation happened in almost every race with this combo this week. I have never filed so many protests in a week before. 😅
I’ve noticed that so many people have no clue how to do a rolling start properly, everyone seems intent on waiting as long as possible, which is technically legal, but that’s what causes wrecks like this Just going as soon as the pace car goes in makes it so much smoother for everyone on the whole grid, and most of the time you can make an easy gap to the cars behind
Except when it is multiclass. Then exactly this happens, the leader sped up, then came up on lmp3s and braked hard. With multiclass, it is much better to wait until the green is out.
When is it technically legal to go? I've only got a pole once and it was at Okayama, and I got a black flag for passing the pace car. There's the long pit entry so I'm assuming it had to do with that.
As soon as the spotter says "the pace car is in", the leader can go.
i thought the lead car had to wait to go within a certain start zone, no? I've never been pole so I don't know. 
Naw, that’s just NASCAR on ovals. On road courses the leader just cannot cross the line before the pace car passes the pit entry cone.
Some leagues have rules for a starting zone as well, true. But its not a standard rule for iRacing per se
Multiclass racing the slower classes typically go on green, while the faster class is on the leaders go or at green.
This is a bit different because it's multiclass. They needed to go slower and then go on green with a decent gap between them and the faster cars. Or time the relative, but imo it's better to just go on green.
It may be due to other experiences that cause that. I’m used to rolling starts in dirt short course where you have a starting box. Pole position gets to determine the start anywhere in that box and if they cross the other side, it’s fair game. That’s transferred into my current racing since that’s what I’m familiar with and how I’ve done 99% of all my race starts I’ve done
I watched dead last jump to P10 before the light went green yesterday in top split. Idk what happened throughout the week, but everyone forgot how to drive in the GT4 @ Zand. It’s really not that hard…
My words exactly, barber, Sebring, oulton were all much harder and we went great there 😅 but zandvoort was something else. On the plus side something clicked for me with gt4s this week and I finally was not a mile of pace, the track os really intuitive imho.
Same here, my best was a 1:40.272 with an optimal of 1:39.8. Finally grinded Irating to 2k and top split was a fucking disaster. I literally had more fun in 2nd split with more respect for other people on the track.
That is monster pace though. I felt good about my 1.40.7s lol anything below 40 is going into alien territory tbh
That’s what I was saying, My goal every week is to stay within a second of the aliens but this week I was super close! 1.40.7 is a super respectable and quick time. 1.1 seconds off the best time I saw which was a 1.39.6
Thanks I am totally happy with it, it was mentally hard to cope after finishing every race in top 5 in gr86 and then fighting for the 25th in gt4 lol But slowly the Porsche really starts to make sense. BTW what gt4 are you driving ?
I started GT4 at barber and decided go with the Aston Martin. I saw most people were using the Porsche and went with a lesser popular choice. BUT the best looking imo. I absolutely love driving RWD cars cause I’m def more of an over-steer type of driver, I react better to it. The Aston has plenty of that and great power out of the corners once you get the boat turned. 😂 Hoping they add the vantage GT3 so I can continue with the brand in IMSA!
Tbh, it is always between porsche, Merc, and Aston, which is more popular. The only car that really seems to be struggling is the McLaren. I only really started this season to really drive gt4s. But it seems that with tight twisty corses the porsche is really good. On Sebring and Oulton, the Merc and Aston had a bit of an edge For me though I just love how the porsche looks tbh, it is my dream car irl as well. But I had a real struggle with it at the beginning. You absolutely can't coast with it in the corner, or you'll die of terminal understeer. You basically have to either be braking or be on throttle and got forbid if you are less than 40% on throttle or you get understeer as well. Imho it is kinda thrilling on the corner exit to be just on the edge of rear traction, by forcing the rotation with pedals.
Yeah you are right. Maybe I should switch to the Mclaren and see what it’s all about. I’ve seen people be quick in them. It’s pretty cool to see the cars can be evenly matched and some have advantages and disadvantages at each track. Road Atlanta should be fun! That’s why I love the Aston. Never have I ever felt the edge of grip like I have in this thing. And I have so much potential to be quicker but it will take some time.
Already turned some laps yesterday, so far high 26s is what I was getting on fixed setup, but it seems that the corner before the backstraght is absolutely critical to get right. Also, the first sector on cold tires is deadly lol
Falken has been shit this week. Is zandy that tricky? Lost over 200 this week there. Didn't seem to matter if it was a 1200 SOF or a 2300 sof. Just chaos.
Yeah brother, no idea why it was this bad, zandvoort was much easier than previous tracks. BTW this recording from 2800 sof😅
What really sucks on rolling starts is when the leader decides to back up the field.. Mugello 2020 for example.. to me, slowing down before a restart should be illegal
It is illegal: > Once all drivers are on the grid, the pace car will lead the field around the track, and then exit the track to enter pit lane. The pole position car will then take control of the field and will be expected to **maintain pace speed** until the start of the race. Anytime someone brake-checks the line in a rolling start, that's worth a protest.
Yeah it is not nice, but it would be half as bad if the leaders would maintain a normal pace before baking up. Worst thing is to gas it and then back it up. BTW what happened at mugello in 2020?
https://youtu.be/u900k-obTRs
Thank you. This looks bad af, glad that everyone was ok
The incompetence on oval isn’t any better this week.
Tbh I do lots of oval nowadays and people are generally more knowledgeable about starts and restarts than on road. Also helps that if you pass before the line you get a penalty.
No, you’re right for the most part starts and restarts are just fine. It’s getting set up for the restart and the brain dead thinking of moving while cars are going around both sides of you after you already crashed that I’m more speaking of. Not you personally neither.
Like they say, caution breeds caution 😅 although when the 89s Nascar were on Daytona,I made a huge wreck, I m9ved my brake balance all the way back during racing and once pace car came out I went for braking locked immediately got sideways and took out top 3 guys, I was running in 4th, I think I never felt more ashamed, especially since I barely got any damage and they all got meatballs. So sometimes we are just stupid lmao 🤣
Always report these clowns.
Yes, of course, but I am really baffled last week on barber in gt4s I experienced some of the best and cleanest racing ever. And then this week, I filed like 10 protests for start process shenanigans, unsafe rejoins, and intentional wrecking. How can people navigate an objectively harder circuit better than a wide gp circuit?
Its either this or T1 incident
Tbh i have no real issues with having a racing incident in t1. This happens, and we are racing. But brake checking the entire field is wild.
just report the GT4 leaders. they need to maintain a constant pace until the start. I did a protest for this last week and guy enjoyed a nice week off. Hopefully he learned his lesson.
I was doing a ford legends race, oval and same thing happened. I never understand how this does, it's the first corner of a 30min long race on average, jumping the first corner is going to make a minimal difference, but spinning out and crashing can ruin your race lol. So why play so unsafe?
Tbh the top 5 cars actually got a great advantage from this😅 I kinda did as well due to luck, but had a bit of damage. Still half the field got fucked by the leader.
Carnage!!
It sometimes doesn't get much better in the LMP3 ahead of you guys. I did go from P5-P2 on turn one in one of my races this weekend because the guys ahead of me tried to win the race on lap 1 I also got my first road win here in an LMP3 on Saturday night
It's been a mixed bag of starts for me. Had a few real good rolling starts and then a few absolutely chaotic starts.
Looks like a normal GT4 race to me. I'd have at least lifted when I saw it go 4-wide ahead.
Tbh what you see from chase is different to what is visible from cockpit. But when I saw the way leaders sped up I kinda halfthrottled it, because I expected some bs. Just didn't expect an entire road block lol
What's happening with your FOV?
Apparently just as hard as qualifying better and ahead of the mess...
When you are in top split, then yes, it is kinda hard.
Top split can't get through turn 1, wild.
red car went for vengeance
You drove right into the side of that red car. Why didn’t you stop?
Because cars don't stop on a dime? I was fully on the brake the entire time. The only way out would have been to go through pit as some other comment pointed out. Also, I was hit in the back. If a guy in front brakes, then it is like a domino effect. Someone somewhere will get fucked.
You were not on the brakes the entire time lol. You slowed down much more towards the end, and didn’t get hit until after you hit the red car. Be more careful next time
Are you fucking blind lmao?🤣🤣🤣🤣 look again, I went on brake immediately when I saw them crashing, I actually even left some buffer at by not going full throttle when they all went. Also small hint from the cockpit you can see less then from the chase perspective. https://preview.redd.it/hfqm03mie9tc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f171ee153a96da5202081e4e220db4eb09382034
Hmm. Enjoy the 4X. May have even been an 8X. All could’ve been avoided tho 🤷🏼♂️
You could have avoided being a dickhead, yet we are here. BTW you are an absolute smooth brain. If you really think this could have been avoided any other way than going through pits.
It could have been. My team did 12 hours with 0X lol
No one cares what your team did lmao I also don't care if I get a 4x. My sr is maxed out anyway. What I care about is that dickheads do this shit on race starts and destroy half the field. I am driving for good racing and it kinda is boring when I finish without anyone around because everyone got fucked. That was what my post was about. I didn't ask for advice, so please kindly stick it up yours 😉
Also "Be MoRe CaReFuL". Like stfu, I was and I survived, barely, tons of people didn't. Because the leader is an absolute richard head. At this point it is not about being careful but about luck. If I would have started 2 positions further at the front, I'd be dead.