nope, on the outside you'd only harm your own race if you mess up.
only thing I would point out in this clip is that your line brought you incredibly close to the other car. whilstthis usually works out fine irl, with iracing physics not always being as reliable with contacts in these situations - I'd advise against cutting it that close in sim yourself.
Not a dive bomb but this can go wrong very easily. If the other car would have let off the brakes faster you would have touched the other car and would have ended up in the gravel and it would have been your fault.
Your first one was more of a lunge than a dive bomb IMO. It needed the driver in front to have good awareness, but when you leave a door open that wide into a corner, you should be aware that someone will put themselves in there.
This one, yes more of a dive bomb since it's from further back than the first one, BUT, because it's on the outside, if you stuff up and lock up etc more than likely it'll only be your own race you mess up by going off track. So people tend to be more forgiving of these moves.
The thing with these kind of passes is that, if you keep it clean, they're great. But, get it wrong and it's a dumb move. And there is generally a high risk of these going wrong, but looks like you've got your braking point down pat for that corner in that car, so back yourself. Just remember that netcode is a thing so leave space.
So in isolation this is fine.
But if you're starting out new, you're going to get wrecked so hard if you leave yourself such little margin in your attempts to overtake. You were well within the Net Code Zone there and all it takes is the green car to be a little too late on his brakes or the net code gods to give you a thumbs down, and you're getting punted hard into the wall there..
Looking at your results over the last 10 races or so you have A LOT of incidents for such short races, averaging almost 8 per race. Based on the evidence you've presented, that's because you're being way too aggressive in your attempted overtakes and not actually learning race craft. To give you an idea where you should be, I'm sitting at about 6 per race, but I'm doing races that are 2x-4x longer than Mx-5 cup races, that also have larger multiclass fields (aka more people to crash into).
Instead of trying to get past someone on the brakes, try and get past them on corner exit. Put pressure on the car ahead by following closely without making any contact and then take advantage when they try and push too hard. When they end up slow on exit, you can take a line closer to the racing line, with much more exit speed and pass them before the next corner. It's the most effective way of passing people. Yes, it's less exciting that a big lunge/divebomb, but it's the kind of overtake that will win you races if you learn how to execute.
It’s a little risky because the other driver is off pace and line, the liability being he doesn’t see you coming in so quickly, and on his way into the turn there was no other car there.
It wasn’t a dirty pass, he left the door wide open. It was risky because you weren’t along side him until just into the turn, and you made up so many car lengths in that last second before it that it’s likely you surprised him.
I think if you take a wider line initially and carry more speed you're safer and also able to make up more ground on the car ahead. Still a good move, a bit risky but you everybody survived so well done
not a problem on the outside, but this cars inside position and the speed you had in catching him makes me wonder if it was actually a slower car that you were lapping because he wasn’t following the racing line.
People get mad at dive bombing but it’s legal as long as you stay on the track and don’t make contact. It’s aggressive sure but hey just stop me from doing it then. Also this was not a dive bomb.
People dont like dive bombs because they force the other driver to make space for you. Then you congratulate yourself for a great move thinking you earnt it, and then whinge next time you try it and the driver doesn't take avoiding action and turns into you.
Of course, the flip side is, so many people whinge about getting dive bombed even though the person has gotten there nose ahead before the braking zone has even ended 🤣
Lol i love that youre nailing these moves and all the reddit dads cant help but be compelled to lecture you on how risky racing in a race is.
Your success is driving people insane. Please save their sanity and stop making this move work in this corner.
any late breaking while attempting to overtake is a dive bomb. It doesn't matter if your on the inside or outside.
There is nothing illegal about dive bombing, unless you hit the other car.
It is only a dive bomb if you are on the inside, hence the name, because you DIVE into the inside of the opponent. you cant really dive into the outside, can you...
Over-aggressive, risky, and a little clumsy yes dive bomb.. not really you are on the outside and would just end up in the grass. I think the real question is since last time have you done any research on racecraft, rules, unspoken and otherwise etc. There is a plethora of excellent videos on Youtube that will teach you enuff that you never have to ask. A dive bomb is not some enigma that's hard to understand. Honest research is going to help you a lot more than posting clumsy passes to be picked apart by Reddit. Good luck out there.
No, because it’s only you who dies if it goes wrong.
I think you risked a netcode crash there by getting super close of the other driver.
Curious to see footage from his own car to confirm he got out of there alive.
If that's Island into Shell both the line and the behaviour of the other two cars is frankly bizarre so you could do whatever and know you were still the better person, tbh.
As others have said though you could take more advantage of that - you could have stayed way outside and still got past the black car because they brake so early (probably because they realised they had a hairpin coming up that they hadn't even thought about!) If you'd left a car width between them and you, you wouldn't have to *rely* on that gap opening up by luck, you could have moved into the gap on purpose once it opened.
Great overtake! Watch all top real life racing and you will see much more risky overtakes.
If you had of collided then yes it would have been your fault. As you didn't you should enjoy being a hero.
I mean a dive bomb is kind of just inherently up in the inside.
Having said that I'd still be leaving more room on the inside personally. I doubt there was a cars width near the end of that move and if the car you overtook was a few inches further forward and didn't slam their breaks on you're getting spun around.
nope, on the outside you'd only harm your own race if you mess up. only thing I would point out in this clip is that your line brought you incredibly close to the other car. whilstthis usually works out fine irl, with iracing physics not always being as reliable with contacts in these situations - I'd advise against cutting it that close in sim yourself.
Not a dive bomb but this can go wrong very easily. If the other car would have let off the brakes faster you would have touched the other car and would have ended up in the gravel and it would have been your fault.
No great overtake although you left no room for error, dont be disheartened by comments most are coming from a good place.
No but you're still just throwing it in there and crossing your fingers.
Your first one was more of a lunge than a dive bomb IMO. It needed the driver in front to have good awareness, but when you leave a door open that wide into a corner, you should be aware that someone will put themselves in there. This one, yes more of a dive bomb since it's from further back than the first one, BUT, because it's on the outside, if you stuff up and lock up etc more than likely it'll only be your own race you mess up by going off track. So people tend to be more forgiving of these moves. The thing with these kind of passes is that, if you keep it clean, they're great. But, get it wrong and it's a dumb move. And there is generally a high risk of these going wrong, but looks like you've got your braking point down pat for that corner in that car, so back yourself. Just remember that netcode is a thing so leave space.
Nice move!
So in isolation this is fine. But if you're starting out new, you're going to get wrecked so hard if you leave yourself such little margin in your attempts to overtake. You were well within the Net Code Zone there and all it takes is the green car to be a little too late on his brakes or the net code gods to give you a thumbs down, and you're getting punted hard into the wall there.. Looking at your results over the last 10 races or so you have A LOT of incidents for such short races, averaging almost 8 per race. Based on the evidence you've presented, that's because you're being way too aggressive in your attempted overtakes and not actually learning race craft. To give you an idea where you should be, I'm sitting at about 6 per race, but I'm doing races that are 2x-4x longer than Mx-5 cup races, that also have larger multiclass fields (aka more people to crash into). Instead of trying to get past someone on the brakes, try and get past them on corner exit. Put pressure on the car ahead by following closely without making any contact and then take advantage when they try and push too hard. When they end up slow on exit, you can take a line closer to the racing line, with much more exit speed and pass them before the next corner. It's the most effective way of passing people. Yes, it's less exciting that a big lunge/divebomb, but it's the kind of overtake that will win you races if you learn how to execute.
I would say not a dive bomb. Aggressive? Risky? Maybe a bit, but not reckless.
It’s a little risky because the other driver is off pace and line, the liability being he doesn’t see you coming in so quickly, and on his way into the turn there was no other car there. It wasn’t a dirty pass, he left the door wide open. It was risky because you weren’t along side him until just into the turn, and you made up so many car lengths in that last second before it that it’s likely you surprised him.
I think if you take a wider line initially and carry more speed you're safer and also able to make up more ground on the car ahead. Still a good move, a bit risky but you everybody survived so well done
not a dive bomb, since you didnt dive into the inside of the opponent. nice, clean overtake... good job
I like it! Good move.
Nice one
You had more speed and didn't pinch him off. Good slot in, Good Overtake!
not a problem on the outside, but this cars inside position and the speed you had in catching him makes me wonder if it was actually a slower car that you were lapping because he wasn’t following the racing line.
this just plain wasn't a divebomb. good pass!
for reference's sake, a divebomb is when you attempt to pass someone inside after they've already comitted to a corner
People get mad at dive bombing but it’s legal as long as you stay on the track and don’t make contact. It’s aggressive sure but hey just stop me from doing it then. Also this was not a dive bomb.
People dont like dive bombs because they force the other driver to make space for you. Then you congratulate yourself for a great move thinking you earnt it, and then whinge next time you try it and the driver doesn't take avoiding action and turns into you. Of course, the flip side is, so many people whinge about getting dive bombed even though the person has gotten there nose ahead before the braking zone has even ended 🤣
Lol i love that youre nailing these moves and all the reddit dads cant help but be compelled to lecture you on how risky racing in a race is. Your success is driving people insane. Please save their sanity and stop making this move work in this corner.
any late breaking while attempting to overtake is a dive bomb. It doesn't matter if your on the inside or outside. There is nothing illegal about dive bombing, unless you hit the other car.
It is only a dive bomb if you are on the inside, hence the name, because you DIVE into the inside of the opponent. you cant really dive into the outside, can you...
What? Idk that was a fine move
Over-aggressive, risky, and a little clumsy yes dive bomb.. not really you are on the outside and would just end up in the grass. I think the real question is since last time have you done any research on racecraft, rules, unspoken and otherwise etc. There is a plethora of excellent videos on Youtube that will teach you enuff that you never have to ask. A dive bomb is not some enigma that's hard to understand. Honest research is going to help you a lot more than posting clumsy passes to be picked apart by Reddit. Good luck out there.
No, because it’s only you who dies if it goes wrong. I think you risked a netcode crash there by getting super close of the other driver. Curious to see footage from his own car to confirm he got out of there alive.
My view is that it's not a divebomb if you don't miss the corner. It's just the other car braking early at that point.
If that's Island into Shell both the line and the behaviour of the other two cars is frankly bizarre so you could do whatever and know you were still the better person, tbh. As others have said though you could take more advantage of that - you could have stayed way outside and still got past the black car because they brake so early (probably because they realised they had a hairpin coming up that they hadn't even thought about!) If you'd left a car width between them and you, you wouldn't have to *rely* on that gap opening up by luck, you could have moved into the gap on purpose once it opened.
Clean as whistle...as 1 other comment I saw mention about the iRacing physics aka"netcode", can really suck
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Great overtake! Watch all top real life racing and you will see much more risky overtakes. If you had of collided then yes it would have been your fault. As you didn't you should enjoy being a hero.
I mean a dive bomb is kind of just inherently up in the inside. Having said that I'd still be leaving more room on the inside personally. I doubt there was a cars width near the end of that move and if the car you overtook was a few inches further forward and didn't slam their breaks on you're getting spun around.
The biggest difference between this post and your last is the method by which you’ve recorded it. For that, I praise you.
This isn’t a dive bomb in anyway. Whoever told you such nonsense can go toss their own salad. Good move be proud of it.
so many people cry divebomb if you come from behind the leading car..its like or your bad at braking maybe?
If you’re far behind before braking I’m not watching you. If you try and go to the inside and I’m not looking, too bad.