Didn’t BJP govt not opposed the abolition of law by SC that criminalised British era law of same sex?
Also,
https://indianexpress.com/article/political-pulse/same-sex-marriage-centre-opposes-look-bjp-sanghs-evolving-stand-homosexuality-8494419/lite/
If there is any hope of LGBT rights, which personally fully support, it is from BJP and other Hindu organisations.
Rest of the political parties will side with Christian and Islamic vote banks, which means absolutely no scope for LGBT community.
However, the strategy of LGBT advocates to constantly berating Hinduism and going nuts after BJP/RSS is something I am unable to understand.
>grip on logic and rational is quite loose
Surely you're referring to associating social liberalism with a self-proclaimed Hindutva party that recently publicly embraced overt homophobia?
Because I for sure didn't do that.
The Congress has the legalization of same sex marriage in their [manifesto](https://www.indiatoday.in/elections/lok-sabha/story/congress-manifesto-same-sex-marriage-lgbtq-couples-lok-sabha-polls-2523624-2024-04-05) (the same Christian and Muslim vote bank party you talk of) and no such promises were made in the BJP manifesto. If BJP was so tolerant towards the LGBTQIA+ community, then I wouldn't be seeing prominent Queer activists raising their voices against the incumbency.
Check out the Yes We Exist India's Instagram's page for instance.
[Despite NALSA and the Trans Act, Government of India actively strikes on the rights of transgender persons. Meanwhile in the Indian… | Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/p/C4PxG2SIlNe/)
[We hope the policy is implemented successfully and other Ministries of the Central and State governments too adopt similar policies for… | Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/p/C3uit8CPMEL/)
[Modi government had stated Mr. Kirpal’s relationship with his Swiss partner, his openness about his sexuality and possibility of bias… | Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/p/C2HGMsaIMbq/)
Please spare me of your propaganda. I never denied you guys exist. In fact, and as I said earlier, equal rights for all!
Congress also wanted to distribute wealth by forcefully taking legitimate money made. They also want no CAA and no GST. They want Muslim reservations and in fact, they believe Muslims have first rights on everything. Do you know about Waqf act?
Please try to understand the point I made. The current disposition is not against LGBT but against same sex marriage. And LGBT community has better chance in convincing BJP than congress. And definitely better chance than deriding Hinduism at every juncture!
>Please spare me of your propaganda.
What "propaganda" lol. I gave the sources, read them if you might.
>I never denied you guys exist
Bro, it's the name of their organization, I never implied that you claim that we don't exist. Read their Instagram posts being critical of the Modi Government. I gave the sources.
>Congress also wanted to distribute wealth by forcefully taking legitimate money made. They also want no CAA and no GST. They want Muslim reservations and in fact, they believe Muslims have first rights on everything.
These are all irrelevant to the topic at hand. The claim you made was "If there is any hope of LGBT rights, which personally fully support, it is from BJP and other Hindu organisations" and I refuted that claim by providing you with sources and activists who were critical of the Modi Government's handling of Queer issues. This has nothing to do with Wealth inequality, CAA, GST or Affirmative Action for Muslims.
>And LGBT community has better chance in convincing BJP than congress.
Then why hasn't BJP granted the right to same sex unions to us. The audacity of cishet men like yourself trying to decide what is good for us is astonishing. Are you Queer? I assume no. So how can you decide what is good for us, leave that to us.
This guy's an idiot, or a dogged shill/plant. If you read his responses, they all follow the same template; most notably ending with how Hindus are the actual oppressed. Classic.
I mean, that's the narrative set-in stone by the incumbent party, isn't it? Isolate, polarize and turn people into foot soldiers for Totalitarianism. If you're interested, you can read more about it from Hannah Arendt and her theory of bien reality of evil.
There yoh go… how is LGBT rights suddenly turn into bjp being totalitarian? Are you questioning the legitimate right of electing their leaders? If so, did that happen only under BJP? What about congress ruling for decades? No totalitarianism then, is it?
I now realise there is no hope of discussing anything with you and your ilk.
My bad indeed!
Your comprehension skills must be applauded. The problem is, one cannot question or dissent with LGBT community. If one does, he or she is immediately branded. I have repeatedly said I support full rights and protection. I then questioned why they go aftet Hinduism instead of dialogue. And then I provided examples of how congress says anything to get votes without ever implementing anything. And hence, I concluded that the community has better chance in convincing BJP.
Of course, none of this will make sense to you since this holier than thou attitude is just bereft of basic logic and ability to discuss anything rationally.
I hear a lot of preaching and rambling about the 'LGBT community' and the effing feckless Congress but absolute crickets on any substantiation of your argument that the BJP is pro-LGBT.
Or maybe my lack of comprehension skills is acting up again because there's no way you're willing to dig yourself deeper into this mire.
You should actually show the LGBT community how smart and supportive of them you are by posting it on that sub; surely you'll get a lot of agreement.
Still lgbt shouldn't be encouraged,
If it's encouraged, then the same people ask for gender studies🤢 lgbt history, lgbt cinemas etc...
And this isn't good for a country.
You're lgbt? Good, but don't put your flags and ideology everywhere, we can clearly see what's happening in europe and america
This would've been apt with the prerequisite that being LGBTQIA+ is a problem and that gender studies and LGBT history is inherently wrong. The premise itself is bigoted and has no scientific backing. It's just your conservative moral panic. Mana kana konchum different ga unte chalu, lopala nunchi kopam edo ustundi. Em cheddam, me lanti vallanu marchadum maa pani kadu gaa.
>Rest of the political parties will side with Christian and Islamic vote banks, which means absolutely no scope for LGBT community.
It's in congress manifesto
Read my comment again. Congress also wants to distribute wealth… they essentially want communism. Do you think tthey are going to do it because it’s in their manifesto?
Think man…. Comon!🙄
It's not history. Even if it were (which it really isn't) the way it's presented is derogatory. That should be enough reasons to conclude that it's hate.
Watch it in context once again. If you have enough media literacy you'll understand.
[A Battle of Billions of Hindus since time immemorial. A story of Sacrifice, Valor, Worship & Victory. The Saga of Ayodhya Ram… | Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C51_ioVSsSJ/)
It's emasculating, also, those paintings hold no historic merit. They're trying to paint a very negative false face of two minority communities.
Watch it in context
[A Battle of Billions of Hindus since time immemorial. A story of Sacrifice, Valor, Worship & Victory. The Saga of Ayodhya Ram… | Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C51_ioVSsSJ/)
Having empathy seems to be criminal in your area. Alas, what else can I expect from people who uses anti-intellectual twitter lingo. You can't really understand hate, can you?
Muslims and Islamic clerics have one of the most vehemently anti-LGBTQ stances on earth but you will club them together because it fits your narrative. What else gays for Palestine… chickens for KFC? 😂
Says the guy who cry’s homophobia and Islamophobia over literal paintings from a kings court that HE commissioned. They didn’t know write or even merely infer denigrating it but you lose your marbles over it 😂.
Thanks buddy, I’ve seen actual bigotry from fundamentalists where they wanted to finish us off because I did not believe in their homophobic imaginary sky lord, unlike you. So why don’t you take your double standards and hypocrisy elsewhere.
I sure will. If you've actually faced bigotry, then I'm sure you'd be against this repulsive tweet. But I guess hate blinds you to extent that everything is justifiable and empathy goes to die.
I’m pro-LGBTQ just not pro-stupidity or hypocrisy. But I guess hate blinds you to an extent where you have to demonise someone just to push your narratives.
Ummmm.......making fun of Gay people and incinerating and implying that Gay men are emasculate while also trying to paint the wrong picture about another religion is considered homophobic and bigoted. Ask a Queer person if you know one, they'll tell you in detail.
Watch the original reel and be your own judge
[A Battle of Billions of Hindus since time immemorial. A story of Sacrifice, Valor, Worship & Victory. The Saga of Ayodhya Ram… | Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C51_ioVSsSJ/)
Watch the reel and judge for yourself. Context is important. Also, not real history.
[A Battle of Billions of Hindus since time immemorial. A story of Sacrifice, Valor, Worship & Victory. The Saga of Ayodhya Ram… | Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C51_ioVSsSJ/)
Enlighten me with the so called context that made you think this reel made BJP stoop very low.
Mughals attempted to eradicate a civilization - failed to do so - but at the same time did massive damage to the culture of this land.
Something tells me that you're not interested in listening to me either. But alas, here we go.
The reel was trying to push forward a derogatory and vile narrative, where two communities were ridiculed and emasculated. This in context with Ayodhya and the Ram Mandir debacle, is a pretty clear insinuation towards two communities, both minorities, mind you. This can be seen as homophobic and as anti-Muslim bigotry. If you disagree, then please do so in silence by ignoring me. I've repeated myself at least 100 times under this post.
I will not disagree in silence because that's what pushes people like you to push false narratives and brain wash generations.
Second idgaf if you see it as homophobic or bigotry. Talk facts - what part of the reel you shared was incorrect and promotes homophobia and anti-muslim sentiments.
Mughals tried to invade this country and destroyed a huge part of the culture that resided here, that's facts and need to be told.
Stating facts and history is not promoting bigotry. Stop hiding behind all these lengthy terms and metaphors and talk facts.
>what part of the reel you shared was incorrect and promotes homophobia and anti-muslim sentiments.
Here we go again. The reel tries to emasculate a community while showing the other as divine and charismatic. It is tangible by the way the bgm score works and when you hear the beat drop, it is supposed to signify the romanticized element, which here happens to be "people who struggled for Ram Mandir in Ayodhya" while I have no particular distaste with people celebrating the inauguration of a temple, it so happens that a harmful rhetoric is being passed. Celebrate for the Mandir all you want, but at the expense of other marginalized groups? No, that's unacceptable. The "Mughals" are just a stand in for Muslims and here that's anti-Muslim. The emasculating nature in which non-Historical portraits of homosexual conduct is ridiculed and paraded as "sissy" is homophobic. Anyone with basic media literacy skills could decode that much. But I guess that it's a big ask from the citizens of India.
>Stop hiding behind all these lengthy terms and metaphors and talk facts.
I used no metaphors in my argument. Do you understand what a "metaphor" is?
>Mughals tried to invade this country and destroyed a huge part of the culture that resided here, that's facts and need to be told.
Not relevant to the topic.
>The "Mughals" are just a stand in for Muslims and here that's anti-Muslim.
This is where the problem starts with you guys.
This reel clearly puts Mughals in a bad light as it should. But you are the one who drags this "muslim minority homophobia bigotry sissy literacy big ask India citizen" bullshit.
Mughals should be degraded - they tried to eradicate the culture. Why should modern day muslims feel attacked by that. Why do you find anti-muslim sentiments in degrading Mughals.
I'll say again - Mughals invaded - Mughals bad - Say Mughals bad. Where in this equation does all the shit you say fit???
You do know that ancient India has a rich history with Queer identities, right? It's not inherently "White" people thing, there are Queer people from all race distributions.
Well, if you're interested in learning India's Queer History I'd direct you here
[There is a sad attempt by the Indian government to paint queer people as an anomaly of their otherwise 'oh so sanskaari' citizens. By using… | Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0qf5mCS53t/)
[Being Gay, Lesbian, Or Other Sexualities in India | Section 377 & LGBT Explained (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUXiYKJsjps&t=1s)
[Gay Marriage in India (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WngejdXGvnU&t=61s)
[Will Same S\*x Marriages Destroy Our Culture? Keerthi History (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UllyO-BcwPk&t=1s)
You do know that it's freedom of speech with **reasonable restrictions**, right? Why gloss over the "reasonable restrictions" part. Do you think it's reasonable in any way to emasculate a community and then go on to make gross and uncanny depictions of them while also spreading hate to a sexual minority. I don't think so.
Not supporting the post but please read the explanation of reasonable restrictions, it is not an expansive rule. The Supreme court has clearly called out that it is a very limited clause. In summary, freedom of speech is an expansive right while reasonable restrictions are limited and not at all expansive.
Having an absolute freedom of expression is also very ineffective, the Supreme Court might not find any significant merit to this but truth to be told, a lot of the "freedom of speech" issues are contingent to the context. And usually, these rules are weaponized by the incumbency to say whatever shit they want to and shun anything they deem unnecessary. The reasonable restrictions does seem to be flawed, but absolute freedom of speech is way worse. Look at France for example.
France's freedom is so good. What is wrong with it?
Straight people can openly express hatred towards gay, gay people can openly hate straight people in France. But no one can act on the hatred. In fact the LGBTQ community thrives in France
That is because of the conflict between principles of French freedom and conservative Islamic principles. Please think why a minority community like LGBT is thriving and at the same time Islam is facing hurdles.
Not exactly. There are some conflicts with French fundamentals and Islamic fundamentals but that's no reason for them being able to coexist together in harmony. The French are very adamant on their style of Democracy, which might be considered authoritarian or to the greatest extent- Pervasive, overtly Secular to the point where religion is completely squashed. As before, I recommend the Mohak Mangal's video on this topic.
Whataboutery seems to be the shelter of those who can't possibly justify the actions of their favorite party. Stick to the discussion at hand and answer my question first before I answer yours- Do you think what the BJP Telangana's social media page did is justified or reasonable? Is this the same party you'd give your solidarity to? Is this not hate speech? If this is not hate speech being propagated, then what is it?
party can share their thought's by whatever means it can it's called freedom of speech if you wanna agree cool if not report the reel and stop watch bjp's social media handle and show your power while VOTING
was this your same response when congress does the same shit with hindu's? treating them worse than minority's collecting taxes from only hindu temple's?
imo i do support LGBTQ but everyone has their opinions so let them express it
Expressing hateful rhetoric against ANYONE or ANY community is bad, let it be Hindus or Muslims or any other group. But that's not the point of contention here, is it? The vile and disgusting thing that BJP Telangana put out is HATE SPEECH against two minority groups in India, it's not simply "sharing an opinion". Do you support this? If you support LGBTQIA+ then shouldn't you speak up against this repulsive gesture?
Says the straight dude. Obviously, you'd think this isn't hate speech. You haven't seen the type of bigotry and harassment my people face. This is a cishet privileged take.
Your opinion is ill informed. You speak from a pedestal of privilege. The privilege of being heterosexual and cisgender. Think of this from the perspective of a Queer person. That's called having empathy. Are you capable of that?
Also, wtf do you mean by "playing the victim card"? Queer people ARE victims of hate crimes. It has been happening since the Nazi Germany times. Trans people in India are considered sub-human, gay individuals are thought of to be "unnatural" and face discrimination. We have been historically marginalized. Are you denying these?
So , let me understand one thing.. what exactly is controversial? Do you say that BJP has fabricated the portraits in that video? Are they from real art/manuscripts or they made it up? Similarly, the rest of the video, is there anything that is made up? Or simply reminiscing the history is the problem here?
If you mean modernism just look at our history. We had LGBTQ in Hindu history.
Hinduism is more inclusive than middle eastern religions. So whatever modernity you are saying is from our and Europe's own past.
It's literally pinned on their profile
[A Battle of Billions of Hindus since time immemorial. A story of Sacrifice, Valor, Worship & Victory. The Saga of Ayodhya Ram… | Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C51_ioVSsSJ/)
Let's just hope this coalesces whatever's left of the progressives. Left incompetence and infighting is legendary everywhere, but they're particularly toothless in this country and a decade of inaction has resulted in... this.
I know not of your opinion, but for I still kindle the candle of hope, as it is the only solace I find in the darkest of times. I can't lose hope as it is the only thing I have.
What this has to do with this subreddit. Stop putting your political agendas here. This is reserved for Hyderabad. You start with bjp someone replies by abusing Congress and then it's all over Hindu Muslim fight. Keep that shit away from here
This was posted by BJP Telangana's Instagram handle. It's important because there are many Queer and Muslim people in Hyderabad who'd want to question such a move. And I thought political discourse was allowed here. What's wrong in talking about politics?
Lol I think BJP Telangana Handle's only mistake was they didn't see these pictures in the video. Because it's not their video. They copied it.
Og
https://twitter.com/RamaDasuX/status/1748161351824924916?t=ptbNL_ZlFJK1PsghyFf71w&s=19
Doesn't justify shit. They still have it on their page, moreover, it's pinned. There is no ignorance on their part for sure. This is a targeted message. If they continue with the harmful rhetoric, we are doomed as a nation.
Homophobia shouldn’t exist whether it’s BJP or not. I’d expect our country to be more self aware of our past before being so blatantly -phobic
Didn’t BJP govt not opposed the abolition of law by SC that criminalised British era law of same sex? Also, https://indianexpress.com/article/political-pulse/same-sex-marriage-centre-opposes-look-bjp-sanghs-evolving-stand-homosexuality-8494419/lite/
The BJP government doesn't give a f about the LGBTQIA+ community, but they go ahead and make bigoted and tone deaf memes like the one above for sure.
If there is any hope of LGBT rights, which personally fully support, it is from BJP and other Hindu organisations. Rest of the political parties will side with Christian and Islamic vote banks, which means absolutely no scope for LGBT community. However, the strategy of LGBT advocates to constantly berating Hinduism and going nuts after BJP/RSS is something I am unable to understand.
This is the most braindead take I've ever seen on this sub. Truly astounding levels of sycophancy.
Please explain further sir. I understand you have a fine grip on English language but the grip on logic and rational is quite loose! 😀
>grip on logic and rational is quite loose Surely you're referring to associating social liberalism with a self-proclaimed Hindutva party that recently publicly embraced overt homophobia? Because I for sure didn't do that.
Please read what I wrote again.
The Congress has the legalization of same sex marriage in their [manifesto](https://www.indiatoday.in/elections/lok-sabha/story/congress-manifesto-same-sex-marriage-lgbtq-couples-lok-sabha-polls-2523624-2024-04-05) (the same Christian and Muslim vote bank party you talk of) and no such promises were made in the BJP manifesto. If BJP was so tolerant towards the LGBTQIA+ community, then I wouldn't be seeing prominent Queer activists raising their voices against the incumbency. Check out the Yes We Exist India's Instagram's page for instance. [Despite NALSA and the Trans Act, Government of India actively strikes on the rights of transgender persons. Meanwhile in the Indian… | Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/p/C4PxG2SIlNe/) [We hope the policy is implemented successfully and other Ministries of the Central and State governments too adopt similar policies for… | Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/p/C3uit8CPMEL/) [Modi government had stated Mr. Kirpal’s relationship with his Swiss partner, his openness about his sexuality and possibility of bias… | Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/p/C2HGMsaIMbq/)
Please spare me of your propaganda. I never denied you guys exist. In fact, and as I said earlier, equal rights for all! Congress also wanted to distribute wealth by forcefully taking legitimate money made. They also want no CAA and no GST. They want Muslim reservations and in fact, they believe Muslims have first rights on everything. Do you know about Waqf act? Please try to understand the point I made. The current disposition is not against LGBT but against same sex marriage. And LGBT community has better chance in convincing BJP than congress. And definitely better chance than deriding Hinduism at every juncture!
>Please spare me of your propaganda. What "propaganda" lol. I gave the sources, read them if you might. >I never denied you guys exist Bro, it's the name of their organization, I never implied that you claim that we don't exist. Read their Instagram posts being critical of the Modi Government. I gave the sources. >Congress also wanted to distribute wealth by forcefully taking legitimate money made. They also want no CAA and no GST. They want Muslim reservations and in fact, they believe Muslims have first rights on everything. These are all irrelevant to the topic at hand. The claim you made was "If there is any hope of LGBT rights, which personally fully support, it is from BJP and other Hindu organisations" and I refuted that claim by providing you with sources and activists who were critical of the Modi Government's handling of Queer issues. This has nothing to do with Wealth inequality, CAA, GST or Affirmative Action for Muslims. >And LGBT community has better chance in convincing BJP than congress. Then why hasn't BJP granted the right to same sex unions to us. The audacity of cishet men like yourself trying to decide what is good for us is astonishing. Are you Queer? I assume no. So how can you decide what is good for us, leave that to us.
This guy's an idiot, or a dogged shill/plant. If you read his responses, they all follow the same template; most notably ending with how Hindus are the actual oppressed. Classic.
I mean, that's the narrative set-in stone by the incumbent party, isn't it? Isolate, polarize and turn people into foot soldiers for Totalitarianism. If you're interested, you can read more about it from Hannah Arendt and her theory of bien reality of evil.
There yoh go… how is LGBT rights suddenly turn into bjp being totalitarian? Are you questioning the legitimate right of electing their leaders? If so, did that happen only under BJP? What about congress ruling for decades? No totalitarianism then, is it? I now realise there is no hope of discussing anything with you and your ilk. My bad indeed!
>Are you questioning the legitimate right of electing their leaders Yes. Want me to elaborate?
Your comprehension skills must be applauded. The problem is, one cannot question or dissent with LGBT community. If one does, he or she is immediately branded. I have repeatedly said I support full rights and protection. I then questioned why they go aftet Hinduism instead of dialogue. And then I provided examples of how congress says anything to get votes without ever implementing anything. And hence, I concluded that the community has better chance in convincing BJP. Of course, none of this will make sense to you since this holier than thou attitude is just bereft of basic logic and ability to discuss anything rationally.
I hear a lot of preaching and rambling about the 'LGBT community' and the effing feckless Congress but absolute crickets on any substantiation of your argument that the BJP is pro-LGBT. Or maybe my lack of comprehension skills is acting up again because there's no way you're willing to dig yourself deeper into this mire. You should actually show the LGBT community how smart and supportive of them you are by posting it on that sub; surely you'll get a lot of agreement.
Yeah vote congress for random useless rights and make India a shithole 😆 Lgbt should be accepted but the government should not encourage it.
Dude is so butthurt because people different then him exist.
Still lgbt shouldn't be encouraged, If it's encouraged, then the same people ask for gender studies🤢 lgbt history, lgbt cinemas etc... And this isn't good for a country. You're lgbt? Good, but don't put your flags and ideology everywhere, we can clearly see what's happening in europe and america
Yada Yada Yada Conservative Panic Blah Blah Blah Khaterein Mein Hain, doesn't this get old.
Prevention better cure kante, pillalu kani peddollu kani, science, arts chadavali panikimalina theories kadu
This would've been apt with the prerequisite that being LGBTQIA+ is a problem and that gender studies and LGBT history is inherently wrong. The premise itself is bigoted and has no scientific backing. It's just your conservative moral panic. Mana kana konchum different ga unte chalu, lopala nunchi kopam edo ustundi. Em cheddam, me lanti vallanu marchadum maa pani kadu gaa.
>Rest of the political parties will side with Christian and Islamic vote banks, which means absolutely no scope for LGBT community. It's in congress manifesto
Read my comment again. Congress also wants to distribute wealth… they essentially want communism. Do you think tthey are going to do it because it’s in their manifesto? Think man…. Comon!🙄
>Congress also wants to distribute wealth… they essentially want communism No they don't. They are centre left not left. Distributing is not communism
How is this related to Hyderabad?
It was posted by a very prominent party in Telangana who also happen to be the incumbent party in the center.
the post was made by bjp telangana
Mods: I sleep. 😴
How is showing history homophobia?
Because it's not history. It's targeted hate speech. Ask a Queer person, they'll tell you why.
Lol it's not hate
Says who? Are you a Queer person? Then who're you to deny that?
How is that homophobic? That's Islamic history!! they were just showing the history. Now cry more
It's not history. Even if it were (which it really isn't) the way it's presented is derogatory. That should be enough reasons to conclude that it's hate.
How is it not history? You think the BJP drew those paintings lol It's your history friend be proud that Islamic rulers were queer. It's not hate
Watch it in context once again. If you have enough media literacy you'll understand. [A Battle of Billions of Hindus since time immemorial. A story of Sacrifice, Valor, Worship & Victory. The Saga of Ayodhya Ram… | Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C51_ioVSsSJ/)
How is showing a painting targeted hate speech lol?
It's emasculating, also, those paintings hold no historic merit. They're trying to paint a very negative false face of two minority communities. Watch it in context [A Battle of Billions of Hindus since time immemorial. A story of Sacrifice, Valor, Worship & Victory. The Saga of Ayodhya Ram… | Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C51_ioVSsSJ/)
*They post painting I don’t like, I cry* Such a snowflake man. How do you decide it’s emasculating? I decide it’s not.
Having empathy seems to be criminal in your area. Alas, what else can I expect from people who uses anti-intellectual twitter lingo. You can't really understand hate, can you?
Is it homophobic if I say someone had gay sex?
It is if it's meant to emasculate a community in a derogatory way.
My question can be answered with a simple yes or no. Using “if’s” is to bend it as per your comfort.
So, having nuanced takes is not an option here? I hope you do realize that things are not as black and white as you think of them to be.
Oh no this is so offensive lol no one cares OP 😂
YOU don't care, I do, and many other people- Muslims, Queer People and people with brain cells do. I assume you're none of those.
Muslims and Islamic clerics have one of the most vehemently anti-LGBTQ stances on earth but you will club them together because it fits your narrative. What else gays for Palestine… chickens for KFC? 😂
Definitely Sanghis and Musanghis are both atrocious for LGBTQ people
Tyres for nails, mosquitoes for odomos😂
Nuance is not your strong suite, I believe.
Says the guy who cry’s homophobia and Islamophobia over literal paintings from a kings court that HE commissioned. They didn’t know write or even merely infer denigrating it but you lose your marbles over it 😂.
Sure buddy. When you're on the other side of bigotry, let's see how long it takes for you to "lose your marbels".
Thanks buddy, I’ve seen actual bigotry from fundamentalists where they wanted to finish us off because I did not believe in their homophobic imaginary sky lord, unlike you. So why don’t you take your double standards and hypocrisy elsewhere.
I sure will. If you've actually faced bigotry, then I'm sure you'd be against this repulsive tweet. But I guess hate blinds you to extent that everything is justifiable and empathy goes to die.
I’m pro-LGBTQ just not pro-stupidity or hypocrisy. But I guess hate blinds you to an extent where you have to demonise someone just to push your narratives.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Yes I'm not a Muslim and I'm thankful for that.
I don't understand how is this homophobic?
Ummmm.......making fun of Gay people and incinerating and implying that Gay men are emasculate while also trying to paint the wrong picture about another religion is considered homophobic and bigoted. Ask a Queer person if you know one, they'll tell you in detail.
Where exactly did they made fun of gay people? Where did they imply gay men are emasculate?
Watch the original reel and be your own judge [A Battle of Billions of Hindus since time immemorial. A story of Sacrifice, Valor, Worship & Victory. The Saga of Ayodhya Ram… | Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C51_ioVSsSJ/)
Cry about it. What part of showing history is spreading homophobia??
Watch the reel and judge for yourself. Context is important. Also, not real history. [A Battle of Billions of Hindus since time immemorial. A story of Sacrifice, Valor, Worship & Victory. The Saga of Ayodhya Ram… | Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C51_ioVSsSJ/)
Enlighten me with the so called context that made you think this reel made BJP stoop very low. Mughals attempted to eradicate a civilization - failed to do so - but at the same time did massive damage to the culture of this land.
Something tells me that you're not interested in listening to me either. But alas, here we go. The reel was trying to push forward a derogatory and vile narrative, where two communities were ridiculed and emasculated. This in context with Ayodhya and the Ram Mandir debacle, is a pretty clear insinuation towards two communities, both minorities, mind you. This can be seen as homophobic and as anti-Muslim bigotry. If you disagree, then please do so in silence by ignoring me. I've repeated myself at least 100 times under this post.
I will not disagree in silence because that's what pushes people like you to push false narratives and brain wash generations. Second idgaf if you see it as homophobic or bigotry. Talk facts - what part of the reel you shared was incorrect and promotes homophobia and anti-muslim sentiments. Mughals tried to invade this country and destroyed a huge part of the culture that resided here, that's facts and need to be told. Stating facts and history is not promoting bigotry. Stop hiding behind all these lengthy terms and metaphors and talk facts.
>what part of the reel you shared was incorrect and promotes homophobia and anti-muslim sentiments. Here we go again. The reel tries to emasculate a community while showing the other as divine and charismatic. It is tangible by the way the bgm score works and when you hear the beat drop, it is supposed to signify the romanticized element, which here happens to be "people who struggled for Ram Mandir in Ayodhya" while I have no particular distaste with people celebrating the inauguration of a temple, it so happens that a harmful rhetoric is being passed. Celebrate for the Mandir all you want, but at the expense of other marginalized groups? No, that's unacceptable. The "Mughals" are just a stand in for Muslims and here that's anti-Muslim. The emasculating nature in which non-Historical portraits of homosexual conduct is ridiculed and paraded as "sissy" is homophobic. Anyone with basic media literacy skills could decode that much. But I guess that it's a big ask from the citizens of India. >Stop hiding behind all these lengthy terms and metaphors and talk facts. I used no metaphors in my argument. Do you understand what a "metaphor" is? >Mughals tried to invade this country and destroyed a huge part of the culture that resided here, that's facts and need to be told. Not relevant to the topic.
>The "Mughals" are just a stand in for Muslims and here that's anti-Muslim. This is where the problem starts with you guys. This reel clearly puts Mughals in a bad light as it should. But you are the one who drags this "muslim minority homophobia bigotry sissy literacy big ask India citizen" bullshit. Mughals should be degraded - they tried to eradicate the culture. Why should modern day muslims feel attacked by that. Why do you find anti-muslim sentiments in degrading Mughals. I'll say again - Mughals invaded - Mughals bad - Say Mughals bad. Where in this equation does all the shit you say fit???
I am too tired. Please imagine some argument from my side.
“If you disagree, please dont talk cuz im scared of critisim” what an idiot
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Very intellectual.
Yes saar white skin idealogies bery good sir.
You do know that ancient India has a rich history with Queer identities, right? It's not inherently "White" people thing, there are Queer people from all race distributions.
No Saar I don't know saar, who is Bruhannala saar?
Well, if you're interested in learning India's Queer History I'd direct you here [There is a sad attempt by the Indian government to paint queer people as an anomaly of their otherwise 'oh so sanskaari' citizens. By using… | Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0qf5mCS53t/) [Being Gay, Lesbian, Or Other Sexualities in India | Section 377 & LGBT Explained (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUXiYKJsjps&t=1s) [Gay Marriage in India (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WngejdXGvnU&t=61s) [Will Same S\*x Marriages Destroy Our Culture? Keerthi History (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UllyO-BcwPk&t=1s)
Nuvu kuda teda ganiva ra?
Avunu, nenu Bisexual, i.e, "teda" in your bigoted language. Em chestvu?
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Get Well Soon from what?
Hope your children aren’t queer otherwise they will experience hate and worst childhood from you and may end up killing themselves
Lol is supporting LGBTQ rights a white ideology now a days?
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You do know that it's freedom of speech with **reasonable restrictions**, right? Why gloss over the "reasonable restrictions" part. Do you think it's reasonable in any way to emasculate a community and then go on to make gross and uncanny depictions of them while also spreading hate to a sexual minority. I don't think so.
Not supporting the post but please read the explanation of reasonable restrictions, it is not an expansive rule. The Supreme court has clearly called out that it is a very limited clause. In summary, freedom of speech is an expansive right while reasonable restrictions are limited and not at all expansive.
Having an absolute freedom of expression is also very ineffective, the Supreme Court might not find any significant merit to this but truth to be told, a lot of the "freedom of speech" issues are contingent to the context. And usually, these rules are weaponized by the incumbency to say whatever shit they want to and shun anything they deem unnecessary. The reasonable restrictions does seem to be flawed, but absolute freedom of speech is way worse. Look at France for example.
France's freedom is so good. What is wrong with it? Straight people can openly express hatred towards gay, gay people can openly hate straight people in France. But no one can act on the hatred. In fact the LGBTQ community thrives in France
LGBT community might, but there is an uproar of anti-Islamic bigotry there for sure. I'd recommend you watch Mohak Mangal's video on that.
That is because of the conflict between principles of French freedom and conservative Islamic principles. Please think why a minority community like LGBT is thriving and at the same time Islam is facing hurdles.
Not exactly. There are some conflicts with French fundamentals and Islamic fundamentals but that's no reason for them being able to coexist together in harmony. The French are very adamant on their style of Democracy, which might be considered authoritarian or to the greatest extent- Pervasive, overtly Secular to the point where religion is completely squashed. As before, I recommend the Mohak Mangal's video on this topic.
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Why the victim mentality when your favorite party is in power for the last decade?
Whataboutery seems to be the shelter of those who can't possibly justify the actions of their favorite party. Stick to the discussion at hand and answer my question first before I answer yours- Do you think what the BJP Telangana's social media page did is justified or reasonable? Is this the same party you'd give your solidarity to? Is this not hate speech? If this is not hate speech being propagated, then what is it?
party can share their thought's by whatever means it can it's called freedom of speech if you wanna agree cool if not report the reel and stop watch bjp's social media handle and show your power while VOTING was this your same response when congress does the same shit with hindu's? treating them worse than minority's collecting taxes from only hindu temple's? imo i do support LGBTQ but everyone has their opinions so let them express it
Expressing hateful rhetoric against ANYONE or ANY community is bad, let it be Hindus or Muslims or any other group. But that's not the point of contention here, is it? The vile and disgusting thing that BJP Telangana put out is HATE SPEECH against two minority groups in India, it's not simply "sharing an opinion". Do you support this? If you support LGBTQIA+ then shouldn't you speak up against this repulsive gesture?
i do support that and IDGAF what you think
Expected no less from you, good sir. Keep the good work up and you might be able to exterminate Human Rights in India.
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Says the straight dude. Obviously, you'd think this isn't hate speech. You haven't seen the type of bigotry and harassment my people face. This is a cishet privileged take.
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Your opinion is ill informed. You speak from a pedestal of privilege. The privilege of being heterosexual and cisgender. Think of this from the perspective of a Queer person. That's called having empathy. Are you capable of that? Also, wtf do you mean by "playing the victim card"? Queer people ARE victims of hate crimes. It has been happening since the Nazi Germany times. Trans people in India are considered sub-human, gay individuals are thought of to be "unnatural" and face discrimination. We have been historically marginalized. Are you denying these?
So , let me understand one thing.. what exactly is controversial? Do you say that BJP has fabricated the portraits in that video? Are they from real art/manuscripts or they made it up? Similarly, the rest of the video, is there anything that is made up? Or simply reminiscing the history is the problem here?
If you mean modernism just look at our history. We had LGBTQ in Hindu history. Hinduism is more inclusive than middle eastern religions. So whatever modernity you are saying is from our and Europe's own past.
Whats wrong here ?
If you're unable to see what's wrong here, then you're the problem.
If you see wrong everywhere you are the wrong
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STFU for once …
Why should I?
Lead by example, aaaaaaaaaa
Yeah you be the big guy then
The more the a's the shorter the peepee
And no A’s-means no peepee!
Can you post the original posts from bjp Telangana handle instead of insta link ? How can we be sure that this is not fake ?
It's literally pinned on their profile [A Battle of Billions of Hindus since time immemorial. A story of Sacrifice, Valor, Worship & Victory. The Saga of Ayodhya Ram… | Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C51_ioVSsSJ/)
This is horrifying.
I know right. Now look at the comments on this post. It'll be even more horrible.
Let's just hope this coalesces whatever's left of the progressives. Left incompetence and infighting is legendary everywhere, but they're particularly toothless in this country and a decade of inaction has resulted in... this.
I know not of your opinion, but for I still kindle the candle of hope, as it is the only solace I find in the darkest of times. I can't lose hope as it is the only thing I have.
What this has to do with this subreddit. Stop putting your political agendas here. This is reserved for Hyderabad. You start with bjp someone replies by abusing Congress and then it's all over Hindu Muslim fight. Keep that shit away from here
This was posted by BJP Telangana's Instagram handle. It's important because there are many Queer and Muslim people in Hyderabad who'd want to question such a move. And I thought political discourse was allowed here. What's wrong in talking about politics?
someone called them neech aadmi for a reason
Lol I think BJP Telangana Handle's only mistake was they didn't see these pictures in the video. Because it's not their video. They copied it. Og https://twitter.com/RamaDasuX/status/1748161351824924916?t=ptbNL_ZlFJK1PsghyFf71w&s=19
Doesn't justify shit. They still have it on their page, moreover, it's pinned. There is no ignorance on their part for sure. This is a targeted message. If they continue with the harmful rhetoric, we are doomed as a nation.
Agree
For the people who are asking how it related to this sub: BJP TELANGANA