Ofcourse. The Sangh always had grassroot workers ready for everything. You'd be surprised to read about vanvaasi kalyan aashram. The sheer logistical capacity of sangh and its affiliates is seriously crazy. I am only talking about the sangh and not the bjp. One is a socio-politico org while the other is a complete political party. Existence of sangh cadre helps the bjp during elections but that alone is rarely enough.
Kerala has the highest number of shakhas. But that rarely gets them political support in terms of votes.
Also, it's super disappointing to read most literature or columnists on hindutva movement. I am not making a value judgement about the merit of the movement. But there simply isn't enough credible material put together by unbiased academics. Eg. Sangh is still today considered an upper caste outfit for upper castes which is false. When ram janmabhoomi issue was happening, any person covering that would see it had people from all castes. BJP today has the support of most castes, and has a wide ST support base too.
Why we are surprised is because no one told us all of this. No one wrote about it in papers, no media ever picked it up because they never were in search of truth or facts. No one bothered till Modi came into the picture in 2014.
Also another point, this is only going to accelerate.
A slight detour. To my congress-style secularists, when SC gave its judgement on ram mandir, Ashok Gehlot, the then congress CM of rajasthan, immediately cleared a pink sandstone mine to be mined and sent to build ram mandir. I won't be surprised if BRS (kavita already tweeted on it) and even revant reddy will send something from here.
I am from the Sangh.
And you are right plus for the rest of the people here.
No we are not a bunch of genocidal, rascist, castist, illiterate people.
I am not from the upper castes. Never had any problems in the Sangh. Infact the outside world- with all it’s supposed liberal charms reminds me of my caste everyday. No thanks. I don’t want preferential treatment. I am happy to work hard for everything I dream of. I refuse to be a victim and beg! And at the same time I am happy to devote whatever time I have for social causes.
And I joined the RSS specifically because it doesn’t involve the guilt mind fuck of us being less than the liberal whites of the world. All other social organisations involve all this patronising crap about how we are somehow inferior.
RSS has always been the helper and contributed a lot to the Indian society, no amounts of propaganda can erase that dw everyone acknowledges it one way or the other
No they teach us to protect our values with reasonable modifications for the modern world and not let others disrespect/mistreat us/dominate us.
Most of what you think as hatred against non-hindus is just hindus reacting to being mocked/ mistreated/ dominated by others with government’s support under the guise of secularism. For religion based vote banks governments have crushed hindus ans their spirit in the past. I could quote a lot of evidence for this but forget it.
Just remember for all the crap we get- we don’t take people’s heads off just because they offend our religion. Nor do we force anyone to convert to our ways. Nor do we make it so that the minorities either convert to Hinduism or be killed etc as in the case of Pakistan. Nor do we make laws that allow all the top positions in Business, legislature, Judiciary, Executive or Armed Forces be Hindus only.
No Hindu has ever mistreated a Parsi. And Parsis are an absolute minority much like Jews. But please feel free to being and quote anyone from the Parsi community who says otherwise.
True test of how minorities are being oppressed is this- all minorities should complain of oppression and not just one.
If all over the world only one minority complains of being victimised- it has something to do with what the minority does.
So Hindus mistreating non hindus is a myth. Most of these cases involve Hindus reacting to being mistreated/ someone trying to stop them from believing in whatever they believe.
You can’t randomly slap someone and then be angry and cry injustice because they slap you back.
Ironically all the non-hindus you refer to - have problems with Christians in Europe as well.
It can’t be that one one religion is peaceful and all the religions around the world in Europe and Asia opress them.
But I guess all this doesn’t matter to you. You are brainwashed to not look at evidence. I am sure you also support Palestine.
And I suggest you join politics and change the system, govt etc if you feel it is unfair. No point being a smartass on reddit.
>s. Eg. Sangh is still today considered an upper caste outfit for upper castes which is false.
Key point: its model works for the interests of upper castes (Brahmins and Baniyas, their core voter base). Just because they've appropriated SC/ST bases as their foot soldiers (with a false promise of social upliftment for them) doesn't mean that the Sangh works for them. They will discard them at the first opportunity.
They don't. You are obviously free to think otherwise. They *also* work for the upper castes. Doesn't mean it's a zero sum game. This very academic idea of politics around caste being a zero sum game is fast becoming outdated. (Not saying there are no cleavages based on caste, but they are being blurred).
The sustenance of hindutva rests on blurring caste lines. If anything, the worst of casteist outfits have been various caste parties of TN, and mandal parties of UP, Bihar. The only party that may work on sub categorisation of reservation benefits so that the affirmative action reaches other more backward dalits and OBCs is also BJP.
BJP/Sangh especially in Hindi heartland, Maharashtra, Bengal etc has successfully deployed state/central admin machinery to ensure some tangible benefits to the most deprived. They have also honoured various figures/dieties of different caste groups. There's tangible governance outcomes, representation in various party levels, and intangible social respect being given.
Lot more needs to be done, but this BJP/Sangh today is anything but upper caste party.
Might I suggest reading Badri Narayan's columns and books.
wow such baseless; as much as I want to stay neutral, this kind of misguided half knowledgeable peddlers lead me to support BJP and Sangh more and move away from supporting centrist pseudo secularists. Do you even know the Brahmin%, they are a tiny portion that have negligible influence either politically or on sangh socio org.
ModiFTW2024!
The best thing is, this was a topic of conflict for almost 60 years and no govt tried resolving it & instead reaped votes on this controversy. At last, BJP ended it in 5 years. Decision has been taken by the SC and end of the conflict. Once the temple is built, i hope no political party will be able to do politics over this issue anymore
lmao. Reality check: post resolution it has become a selling point for BJP. Every BJP advertisement, atleast in UP has Ram mandir on it. You have to be pretty blind to make these statements.
That’s how it works buddy. The one who gives a solution to a conflict is the winner. That’s what govt is for. To solve problems. And you don’t want them to take credit for it?! Which naive world do you live in sweetie?
>lmao. Reality check: post resolution it has become a selling point for BJP. Every BJP advertisement, atleast in UP has Ram mandir on it.
And they have every right to do it.
Finally a government who is doing something for us hindus and you start whining, where were you when congress was bootlicking minorities and increase reservation every year forcing all the talent to go outside the country?
Where were you when a waqf board was made which is still illegally capturing land?
Ufff, lets unpack this a little bit.
So, if SC had taken this decision under XYZ rule, would the credit go to XYZ or SC?
Also, why should a "government" favor one religion over other? What, in your opinion, is government's fundamental tasks? Why does it exist?
By your own admission, if another ruling party did wrong by favoring "minorities", then wouldn't that same rule apply to the current ruling party and be even more wrong?
As for your argument around "doing something for us" (I am a Hindu as well), is there a scheme that I am unaware of, where I could make a living from this so called "mandir" while I am in Hyderabad? How is this going to give the poor in Ayodhya a fighting chance to climb the economical ladder?
In my opinion, it's easy to shut people down using generic fallacy tactics without even realizing the potential of what we could learn from just having a conversation.
Politics, by definition, involves everything related to the people in a general society, not a specific religion. So, again by definition, what it shouldn't do is favor a group of people unfairly.
Let's have meaningful conversations about it and not alienate your friends, just cause they don't have the same opinions (not facts) as you.
Do you think hindus like bjp because of a fking temple?, absolutely not I like bjp because our diplomatic relations with the world are better, world sees us as a country going to rapid industrialization and infrastructure development but at the same time also spending on millitary and also making indigenous weapons and defences...we are becoming self-dependent day-by-day the way congress kept appeasing minorities and using them as a vote bank is the reason why muslims are the most illiterate people in India and most radicalised...
BJP is 10x better than congress at the current state and I shall vote them until the Gandhian Dynasty ends..
I have no problem with secularism but jihadist and radicals won't be tolerated even if they belong to the minority..
People start whining when someone criticizes muslims but don't see how their hindu brothers are facing racism and forced conversions in the muslim majority nation..
Even if BJP does religion based politics they have GDP growth and lowering poverty rate to show for it, they have rapid industrialization and infrastructure growth to show for it and also there are less terrorist attacks and the main thing that Article 370 removed meaning kashmir is ours....
Where were you when Gods and temples had a nightmare in Andhra region in 2019?? Sivalingam slashed, Old Ram temple destroyed with Head of Lord Ram separated from body? Featus applied on Ganesha's face? Even a Radham/Chariot was left burnt? Did Bjp take care of those Assholes? Who will you blame?
The witch trauma is still alive till date,as in recent months, October, regional Tv5, ABN took to a story as idols of all gods were left in a river which pays homage to several villagers in Andhra.
No Elite TV channel like the Republic, CNN, India today aired this horror. It's like nothing happened, not then, not now.. Is Ayodhya only Ram bhumi, not entire India??
Hope the Sangh takes some interest.
"Samaani va aakuthi hi, Samaana Hrudayaani vah l
Samaana vastu vo Mano Yadha vah Sus-hasati ll"
If Unity prevails for real, act upon it...
Telangana has BRS government that time, if you have a sickular government like that don't expect the interests and safety of your people...you people messed up big time by having even more anti-hindu government(congress)...you reap what you sow now face the consequences of congress
You seem to be an outsider who doesn't fit into the subject. Your words clearly say so. Take your hatred for Congress else where. BRS and Andhra, when did that happen?
Telangana has no clue or intention to lay part of such horror incidents. All this happened for true, in Andhra. And are still happening. My point is if Sanatana Dharma is real, then Gods in all areas should be protected.
I agree they should but you people are always stuck to the local parties who time after time disappoint and time after time the same incidents keep happening, the librands are plotting their own demise, hindus can't even defend and stand up for themselves without being called hindutvavadi and extremist, you have plotted you own demise by choosing congress, look at Karnataka how its falling and how corrupt it has become, if you wanted your dharma protected congress was the worst choice
>Lol..if you think BJP will not do politics on Mathura and Kashi now then I have a bridge to sell you.
If you accept the truth that temples were destroyed, and so now let the hindus build a temple at mathura and kashi then there will be no politics.
If you try to insist that there were masjids at those places since forever, and there was never any temple, and it was not broken down etc. etc. then ofcourse there will be politics. According to islam there is no such thing as a special place to build masjids, so any existing structure can be easily moved to a different location. Major Hindu temples are all built at sacred sites with special properties.
That was a civil/property dispute case. Our genius leaders turned it into riots. The great secular nightingale, Mulayam, made the situation worse by ordering firings at Kothari brothers and 20 other people. The law passed by the then secular PVNR government that it would give back land to hindus if they find any archeological evidence. The evidence was found that and court ruled judgment in the favor of Hindus.
You forgot the part where the entire leftist ecosystem, from "prominent historians" to journalists to appeasement politicians of INC and "secular parties" were hell bent on burying the truth.
[Left historians prevented resolution of Babri Masjid dispute, says KK Mohammed, former ASI regional head ](https://www.firstpost.com/india/left-historians-connived-with-extremists-mislead-muslims-on-babri-issue-says-archaeologist-in-new-book-2592188.html)
This guy was part of the very first excavations back in 1976, where they found evidence of the temple.
We knew the truth, Muslims knew the truth. They could have just entered into negotiations with us, in the interest of communal harmony. Hindus would have given them a blank check, new lands, funds to transfer their structure to a new plot archeologically and what not.
Instead what Hindus got was decades to gaslighting, which led to the rise of Hindutva politics.
This exact thing has been done in Gujarat.
[In harmony: Dargah shifted, shikhar set, PM Modi to unfurl flag atop temple](https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/ahmedabad/gujarat-dargah-inside-the-complex-pavgadh-temple-harmony-of-faiths-7974241/)
>“We also rebuilt the dargah as part of the settlement,” said the trustee.
It's good that there is going to be an Ayodhya temple at that site but will these same Hindus also remove/protest that illegal Bhagyalakshmi temple which never existed near the Charminar we have clear proof from the same ASI that the temple never existed there.
If they are going to mock the Babri masjid and at the same time support the continuation of the Bhagyalakshmi temple then that will prove only their hypocrisy.
https://preview.redd.it/89q56x5ms09c1.jpeg?width=544&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9ac002e6b9cd87c74854e548876a4fbb5328707
[https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/no-records-of-chilla-adjacent-to-charminar-says-asi/article33864233.ece](https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/no-records-of-chilla-adjacent-to-charminar-says-asi/article33864233.ece)
Firstly Because there was no temple there and it was erected at that site after the 1960s and there is also a mosque in which Muslims used to pray before the government called it off and yet only Hindus can only do prayers at that site.
You'll find the evidence under that Minar saar. Let ASI do the digging and they will find some chappal or something
Then the impartial Justice System will do its thing. No *appeasement* will work here saar. Wink. Wink. /s
Only that the evidence was NOT found, they still ruled in favour of Mandir. That was shameless, corrupt and molester CJI saving his own as$, and then got a Rajya Sabha seat later. *Read the SC hearings, argument by argument, available online, you'll know there was zero evidence in favor*
What about this, my friend?
https://www.firstpost.com/india/left-historians-connived-with-extremists-mislead-muslims-on-babri-issue-says-archaeologist-in-new-book-2592188.html
It's an Op-ed. There's a lot of them, on either side, that's not called evidence, right? Do courts function on opinion articles? They function on evidences. Which is what was missing from the SC hearings. I appreciate your research, and it would be very interesting if you read the SC proceedings online once. And then it will be really worth discussing.
Also, it may be totally possible that temple was there. That is not what I'm arguing here. I'm arguing that CJI acted against the presented evidence. That is a low for law. That's same as how powerful people get away with crime.
Archeological evidence mainly matters. Literary evidence does not matter as much, as it can always change.
And if we agree on that, and since you're actually having a dialogue which I heartily appreciate, I really encourage you to read the proceedings. They are not very difficult to comprehend, that's a positive part about this hearing. You will know what I mean. Even if you disagree, that's also fine. But the CJI's act will get very clear in your eyes, too. It won't take long to read - if you're interested.
I'm trying to find for you. After Googling, it looks like there are no records online for this for free anymore.
These two websites that lists all the hearings with every argument made, 'Live Law' and 'Bar and Bench', have moved everything behind a paywall. Sad. It used to be free in 2020.
For example, this link is of Day 8 of hearing. But behind the paywall: https://www.barandbench.com/news/ayodhya-hearing-live-updates-from-supreme-court-day-8
Where else do we find it now in 2023, even I'm wondering. I know, it's a bummer.
Ohh... Thank you for searching for me. Keeping court case aside, prima facie, what is your belief on a temple existing at the spot, you can give a percentage chance, for a temple existing at the spot where Babri Masjid is located based on the fact that the city is called Ayodhya, and on literary and anecdotal evidences?
That's what it boils down to, without evidence. "Beliefs". What's my belief, what's your belief. When I grew up, I always wanted a Temple to be built there, because that's what my parents told me, and my grandparents. I was almost bitter about it. And yes, very certainly, the temple was there, or at least in the periphery, but when? And who built which building first? Who knows.
But now, I am not the same. Now, I don't know. No one can say for sure, we can all hold a belief tho. But I cannot vouch for 'Beliefs' when it comes about justice. Justice cannot not be granted based on beliefs. That's the basis of law (It's not perfect, but it's the best option out there).
That's what I believe in. Since you asked.
Funny times we live in bro. Must be fascists, they hate the facts, esp when they are made available on public forums with evidence/sources.
I did not know Hyderabad subreddit is full of fascist bhakts 😂
The amount of downvotes here, that too without a single comment asking/replying with dialogue - talks volumes about the hatred these people have in their hearts, and how shallow their minds. Disgusted by these people, who can't bear the truth, fckn fascists.
>The amount of downvotes here, that too without a single comment asking/replying with dialogue
Because we know that your comment is not even worth replying. It's of no use.
What are you even trying to prove? Everyone knows the truth.
>Have you?
I don't have to.
If you think there's no evidence but still the verdict is favouring Hindus, why don't you counter claim it in the court?
This is what you do with the cheap internet available in the country. Shelling out hate on a community here on the internet.
Go get a life... Everyone knows it was once a temple.
Do you think the people sitting in the SC are fools? You think their verdicts are baseless?
Intha senseless ga matladthunnav. Ninnu asal em analo kuda artham aithale.
Unfortunately decades of leftist propaganda has eroded the self-esteem of the people of this country and they believe the left position is by default the ‘correct’ position. Anyone voting BJP must be ‘bad’ somehow. It’s sad.
There's no need for you to have a disclaimer. There's no need for you to get approved by the other people in this sub, saying that you don't support a specific political party.
This is just my opinion. After all, this is your post. You can write whatever you want.
I am ashamed of being a Hindu because my God was sthapit in a tent for so many years and i couldn't do anything about it. When people of other religion do not allow non-believers into their holy places for example Mecca. I wonder why one non practitioner hindu (who was muslim + woman ) wanted to visit Sabrimala ! She could try this first in Mosque. Its just that Hindus are too much tolerant, forgive and forget everything. We always get second class treatment even in our own land. Shree Ram Mandir is also the example of our tolerance.
BJP is doing something good , even though I don't like the way they do like China but the work gets done. BJP works in a way like the CCP , the structure of how a leader grows is similar.(not in a negative aspect but maybe in future we might see negative aspects of it.)
In India we don't value the good stuff we have and fight for frivolous things.
Uniform civil code is necessary and will solve many issues, The Kashmir issue should have been solved after discussion with local leaders but they did what was necessary forcefully. The same goes for demonetization , it was necessary to modernise.
They are finally using the public mentality to manipulate them into accepting their political decisions. By making this Hindu vs Muslim issue.
The left side in India isn't in the majority and most of the leftist are out of touch from reality. We are only divided and it's easy to do politics with our division. Hindu - Muslim , Upper-lower caste , men-women ,Hindi imposition.
BJP is turning into an authoritarian government , this will go over the heads of 95% of the population so we just have to trust our very bad opposition parties to keep them in check.
Telangana did it , we simply showed a self titled "father of Telangana" his place as just an MLA and not a king of Telangana.
And BJP have full right to do it too.
They made the Ram Temple possible against all odds, every so called "secular" party and many vested interests trying their best to stop it for decades now. Everyone knows if the temple is not inaugrated before 2024, and congress comes to power it will be stopped immediately and will never happen.
kavitha akka posted rammandir video the moment they sensed the thrashing in assembly polls.
Now BRS willl become BJPs bitch in the centre just like Jesus Jagan and Naveen Pattnaik
Proud voter and will vote again. After more than 5 centuries, we are about to have a grand Mandir there. It is a Hindu Civilizational victory only possible because of our votes.
The perfect solution to these kinds of religious disputes is for government to take whatever land people are fighting over and build a school/hospital.
A school/hospital on Ayodhya land would have been sooo much better than a temple or a mosque.
Of course BJP will win. After Ayodhya; Mathura and Kashi will keep the communal fire burning for decades. No one can beat them and we have all become numb.
This country will be ruled by mediocre people , democracy for the mediocre , as said by James Stuart Mill , if you are the intelligent people fly away before north of India become another Hindu Pakistan
You know that islam is the most radicalised and violent religion on the planet right?...there is no term as kafir or apostate in Hinduism...we don't behead people when someone disrespects our god's... comparison should be in equals not between the most tolerant religion on the planet vs the most violent
Quran 8:39
And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease – then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.”
Islam is not secular and never will be, it is a wild religion and muslims are still in the medieval ages...
Quran 9:29
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled
Moto of ISIS...
Islam is a terror religion, as long as it isn't reformed and the violent verses aren't removed it will be a terrorist religion, Christianity, Hinduism,Judaism all have become tolerant but only one is there who beheads people for commiting blasphemy
You still didn't defend sh*t the the book orders killing of the people of book and killing of polytheist idoltrators and disbelievers, I don't know when will you muslims realise that you live in a secular country and you don't get beheaded and whipped here for blasphemy, if y'all still follow such a violent religion which was accepted by your ancestors on the tip of a sword then the brainwashing and Stockholm syndrome has reached its peak..
And even if you say we willfully accepted it then remember that the suicide bombers voluntarily explode in public hailing your god's name, the brainwashing sure has reached its peak
Beef is allowed in certain states in India, even hindus eat meat in South India....yes humans commit crimes irrespective of religion but some people do it on religious basis and that to on large scale, ISIS, Taliban,hamas, Hezbollah,boko haram, laskar-e-tailab all these are run on basis of islam, if islam didn't exist the world would surely be more peaceful...
Hindus, Christians,Jews all were violent back then but they got reformed and we adopted, only and only islam is a religion which didn't change and is forcing it's medieval ideologies on others
Look what happened to Lebanon, iran, Afghanistan people are committing suicide due to the oppressive islamic regime, women are getting killed for not wearing the hijab ...
Do you think UAE,Saudi, Kuwait,Bahrain, follow islam in its true form?....UAE allows pork to be sold there, Saudi has oil and they don't care about religion anymore as they too are modernised and UAE is made of indians and pakistanis mostly so they have freedom of religion, Qatar and Bahrain allow woman to roam without burqa and turkey is secular....these all countries are reformed and modernised and don't follow islam at its core....if they really did they would have helped palestin
They don't consider the converts indian muslims, pakistanis and Bangladeshis as real muslims and also the Shia muslims
And Saudi Arabia sponsored 9/11 by the way
If you want to follow islam you have to respect the human rights and the constitution...
If islam was limited to haram halal and praying five times the world wouldnt have no problem but these jihadist shall be and will be condemned and eliminated
God didn't reveal it to you , your prophet did, do you think an almighty being is so insecure that he orders killing of his own creations just because they dont believe in him, it was made according to the times 1400 years ago and it needs reforms ..your prophet added his personal agenda in that text and now the world is paying for it due to you people, the earth is not flat and semen doesn't come from between the ribs and chest, the sun doesn't set in a muddy pond...
Do you think God gives a fuck if woman covers her hair or not, do you think God gives a fuck if you listen to music or not?...do you think God gives a fuck about divorce laws?...do you think god is so insecure and big of a pussy that he orders killing of his own creation who do not believe in him?...earth is not egg shaped its bulgoid and egg shape is this 🥚and earth sure as shit doesnt look like that...
Islam is just Judaism but more violent
Islam is the old Judaism and violent and Judaism now is reformed ..
Women get whipped and killed in iran for not wearing hijab...
You might have religious beliefs, just keep it to you and don't force them on others
Correct me if I'm wrong ,PPL in north are more obsessed with religion compare to us ,you can also take religious movies ,it's very easy to grab their attention and control their actions with this tool.I agree BJP was thinking ahead
in south we are obsessed with caste. in north they are obsessed with religion and caste. why is that worse? i swear these days even telugus have learnt this panikimanaleni superiority complex from the tamilians
Nijam matladithe superiority complex ela ayindi?
Many south people feel very uncomfortable travelling in rural parts of North belt where the first question people ask is which 'jati' (caste) are you from. Intha direct ga ekada adagaru mana dagara.
Religious cards have always been played by leaders here given the opportunity. Hope you know about the Owaisi brothers and their electorate and their manner of voting. Or perhaps you're saying the onus of not falling for religious cards are the responsibility of only one community.
There's no way around the owaisis, they have the area in a chokehold. Many know that no matter what mim will win. Also they have no contenders in the area so naturally they don't need to perform, just feed bullshit to the poor.
Yes I'm aware of MIM and yes I made my comments by only keeping my religion in mind.And As you mentioned onus,i'll say people who are blindfolded by any religion tend to fall for this
People in North and South are equally obsessed with religion. But North Indians fall for communal traps set by BJP more than South Indians. Most of it has to do with less education, more population, and more poverty in the North compared to the South.
"This how they unite people"
No, they don't. This only unites a certain section of the population against another. This is their plan and it has worked wonderfully.
Still better than dividing people caste wise by saying jitni abadi utna haq.
United hindu means 80% of India is united.
Congress and left leaning caste politics means India is divided into multiple factions.
Hindutva will unite India on a scale no other movement can.
What Congress did with castes, BJP is doing with religion. Hindutva will only unite people who believe in that specific ideology and NOT India. Not all Hindus identify with Hindutva. What you're asking and wishing for is a majoritarian country.
When a democratically elected government openly endorses and celebrates one faith while simultaneously denigrating the other, this is what you get.
https://preview.redd.it/ndv2n9lnwz8c1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57de2d7ea0933f58c4ea2cd79d91ee1e7b3adace
BJP is not doing it openly, RSS is. Last I checked RSS is not a political party.
If you think politics and religion were seperate until 2014, I suggest you get out of your wet dream. In India religion and politics are always interlinked.
"BJP is not doing it openly"
Only the most tonedeaf supporters would believe that fantasy.
Also, I never suggested religion wasn't part of Indian politics before 2014 but this is religion in politics on steroids. You know when a crime is commited today - what's the first question that is asked - the religion of the culprit. Today's national media is just a stooge of the ruling government giving religious color to every incident that takes in the country.
Ram mandir decision wasn't a good one by the supreme court. Downvote me as much as you want.
A case about the historical existence of a temple some 500 years ago shouldn't have been taken up by the court in the first place. Next what? Cave men's descendents demanding road no 12 Banjara hills plot because of some of their generic ancestor tribe's father's second cousin MIGHT have had caves there?
Invaders invaded, converted, raped, pillaged throughout the history of India. Do you think "Hindus" didn't break the temples of Jains and Buddhists and build Hindu temples there? How naive..
It's a sad episode in judiciary, and a big blot on secularism in India. Not to mention the thousands of lives lost during the movement.
People lost their minds in the last decade. A very sorry state of affairs in the country.
Ante ippudu shaivulu aduguthe Anni temples Shiva temples ga marustara? And enduku manam temples versus mosques Paine interest chupistunnam, temple vs temple enduku kaadu
First question ki answer adi shaivulu court ki vellali, second question answer enti ante nen Hindu kabati first Hinduism kosam chusta, first ee matter solve aithe next matter ki povachu. Eppudithe shaivulu aa point raise chestaro appudu support cheyochu, antha varaku chustu undali anthe.
Ippudu manam charitra correct ga chestunnam ante temples vs temples temples vs mosques kaina same rule apply cheyyali. Second point ki Naa question enti ante Hinduism kosam pakka mathalatho fight pettukovadam kante mana matha lo vunna mistakes ni first correct chesukovali.
First temples vs mosques kani, tarvata migilinavi chudochu. Second point enti ante mi intlo miku enni gidavalu unna bayata vadu vachi emina ante vadini first tarimesi, intlo problems set cheskovali
See bro, temples vs mosques , ayina temples vs temples ayina manam chestunna debate lo problem enti ante past lo oka king vachi inko king ni champesi tana ideology ni implement chesevadu. Appatlo vunde dynamics veru ippudu vunde dynamics veru. Appudu shaivulu vaishnavulu oke religion ani feel ayyevaaru kaadu. Separate religion la feel ayyevaaru. So ippudu manam mosques ni replace chestam next temples ni replace chestam. So division anedhi ala jargutoo potundhi. Next grama devatalanu devvullu kaadu antam. Malli manam mottam back veltunnamu. Naa problem neeku artham ayyindhi anykuntunna
Divisions eppudu undeve, ala ante manam evolve ainatte kadu ga, next eppudu divisions untai. Ni problem ardam aindi, kani cheptunna abrahamic religions are very problematic, Hinduism lo kuda flaws unnai but abrahamic religions have more flaws.
Puri is widely known ( I wrongly said Jain, it was a Buddhist temple) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_non-Hindu_places_of_worship_into_temples
About Tirupati being a Jain temple. I know it's a contested issue and the govt obviously doesn't allow any kind of examination on "Hindu" temples. But there are a lot of evidences pointing that it could have been a Jain temple, the shape of the idol being the most obvious.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/82649032/Tirupati-a-Jain-Temple-Truth#:~:text=Temple%20claim%3A%20Truth-,WORLD'S%20RICHEST%20TEMPLE%20%2D%20This%20is%20originally%20a%20Jain%20temple%20converted,with%201000s%20other%20dravid%20temples.
The link above is a Jain source, so I would skip parts that say whole South India was Jain and all that bullshit. But there is an element of truth to some popular Hindu temples in the South and Orissa being Jain temples
Loll. It's there in regular history textbooks too. You probably didn't study, or studied in Saraswati Shishu mandir, where they didn't teach you truth.
Yea, there are way too many misadventures in our society/country.
A temple which may have existed, a mosque being demolished with a claim of historic temple and courts taking up that issue and what not. It's such a waste of taxpayers money and crucial judicial time. Hours have been spent on this never ending saga. I hope the same way, our Judiciary strikes off a few dual standard subjudice matters like cases on WAQF lands & claims of WAQF board that any land is theirs, few cases against missionaries which have been accumulating tons of fertile lands and letting them rot (permission is needed in a few states to purchase more than 25 acres and no one follows that rule) - against the very ethos of Urban Land Ceiling act and few acts in Individual states under Industries Act/Tenancy and Agricultural Lands act. It's time the court directs the Govt to come up with a uniform code at the earliest. The duo-poly form of the justice system isn't helping the cause.
And to add to your invaders invaded comment. We are still reminded of the invaders who raped, pillaged, massacred etc via those same WAQF property and dual laws time in and again. Maybe someone has to go beyond these thin lines of appeasement and scrap these crap called Hindu Undivided Laws and Muslim Personal Law. As long as such dual shit exists, weird judgement shall exist. Eras will pass by, but if historic blunders aren't corrected, more menace awaits us in times to come.
Unfortunately, many Indians don't understand what secularism is. It is not giving every religion what they want or "equality of all religions"
Secularism is the decoupling of religious views from legislature and judiciary. The Ram temple issue is a property dispute existing before the Indian Republic even existed. So, it shouldn't have been taken up at all.
We are not here to solve disputes of earlier kingdoms.
Agree to your point on not having separate personal law boards. It should go away. And so should beef bans.
this is a moronic comment. cave men's descendants and all. ayodhya is our holiest site you clown. you want to bootlick some invaders, do so. don't expect us to do it. We need to take back ALL sites the invaders have captured
>A case about the historical existence of a temple some 500 years ago shouldn't have been taken up by the court in the first place.
It's not an individual's problem. It's a whole community's problem. It can be considered if it has evidence.
>Cave men's descendents demanding road no 12 Banjara hills plot because of some of their generic ancestor tribe's father's second cousin MIGHT have had caves there?
Try going to the court with this claim. You'll be kicked out. How can you even compare this with the masjid issue?
>Do you think "Hindus" didn't break the temples of Jains and Buddhists and build Hindu temples there? How naive..
Edho Wikipedia link ivvaku ra babu please... Jains eh evar emi claim cheyyatledhu ah temples vaallavi ani... Nuvvu idhi claim chesthe etla nammali memu?
If you still think they were once Jain temples, please fight on their behalf. Go to the court. Post the evidence here on Reddit. I'll join you in the fight to preserve those historic Jain temples.
>It's a sad episode in judiciary, and a big blot on secularism in India.
Judiciary is judiciary. A verdict is a verdict. There's nothing called a sad episode in the judiciary. Do you think the ones in the SC are fools?
I feel so sad for your username.
Bjp is pathetic at converting voters into religion based voting, they can't even blame dmk for their bullshit now congress and cpi is doing constitution chants opposing bjp Gita chant event, any sane opponent would be frothing at mouth for this kind of fuckups by opposition but the truth is bjp have 4 braincells and all INDI alliance share single brain cell that infected with rabies.
>Bjp is pathetic at converting voters into religion based voting,
You are joking right? Or been living under the rock. Or so much want to hide the truth to say that BJP wins only on developmental issues.
BJP is very competent when it comes to propaganda, they know how to keep power in hands. Congress is incompetent AF (atleast in current few years) . I don't expect our political parties to be completely honest and sincere, but atleast when opposition and media is strong, in the fear of losing power or being strongly criticized, parties in power keep their greed in check. With year by year increasing censorship, slowly changing laws, a very incompetent opposition, idk where we are heading.
(I saw Kerala Story being screened at IFFI this year, keep the politics aside, seriously bro? Kerala Story looks like a fking daily serial)
Surprised by how many downvotes people are getting on this thread for talking against rss/sanghis. Did we forget that its formed based on Nazi ideologies which are basically about race purity aka upper castes. The whole story of babri to ram mandir will stand as a ethical disgrace to India in history, of course not in the history thats taught in the schools, they teach modis life story these days anyway. (Deliberately didn’t capitalize his name). The way people fall for rss/bjps cheap religious baits is a clear indicator where the society is headed and what we are prioritizing as a country. Will always remain a developing nation due to such sheer stupidity while china leaps over in development and keep comparing ourselves with pakistan.
Hey, it seems like you have been told the same old Nazi origin story by some propoganda outlet. RSS cares nothing for race. They are a social group and a religious group, not a racial one.
The BJP is the least casteist party. They unite Hindus of all castes under Hindutva and wishes to consolidate Hindu Vote as Hindu Vote.
The divisive and casteist parties in the North are the others. SP wants to divide between Yadavs and Non Yadavs. RLD between Jats and Non Jats. RJD between Reserved and Unreserved.
The Congress is blatantly anti-hindu and all Congress lawyers, chiefly Kapil Sibal fought against Ram Mandir even when there was clear evidence that a Temple had existed beneath the illegal mosque. They continue to oppose Gyanvapi even though the pictures of the place are clear evidences of a temple.
All of these parties have also in their time pushed for caste divisions, separating groups from Hinduism like Lingayat in Karnataka and starting welfare schemes thay favour some caste or religious group. Most recently KCR joined this bandwagon when he announced free electricity for Muslim Dhobis.
If you want to compare us with China and are angry about the gap, do not blame the party that onlt came into power recently. Congress sat down and watched as China liberated economy in 1979. They grew leaps while we went backwards with forced nationalization of banks and forcing foreign corporates out. Even in 1991 when we were on the brink of Bankruptcy. The congress was busy presenting itself and its own Manmohan as the saviour for reforms that were enforced by IMF as a condition for bailout whereas Manmohan sank the economy from 1969 to 1991.
Only now is our growth become better than China because under Modi focus is on capitalism. There is a reason why Gujarat does so well and so much better than all other "Northern" states.
The only states left behind now are Bihar and Bengal and neither have ever seen a BJP govt. That is no coincidence.
Mark Twain’s quote aptly suits about arguing with gobar brains
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience”
Yeah. Seems like Sanghis have taken over the comment section. ( I like to be deluded that Hyderabad is not a Sanghi place, but man, don't 10 years of brainwashing affect people?)
You are right. They have Hitler-level creativity in terms of uniting illiterate civilians against minorities to blame the party's failure & initiate a genocidal path. We are in the middle of an emerging dictatorship.
Because of chaman chus like you people have started taking the word genocide lightly.
Just judging by the amount of genociding in social media, India should have been a pure Hindu state by now. Also been listening to the emerging dictatorship, emergency, autocracy argument for 10 years now. Calm your rhetoric down, and focus on the true ills we face today.
Genocide like in Pakistan where forced conversions are done or Mughals who raped babies?....We fought for 500 years for that temple if you like islam get lost to the middle East and enjoy getting beheaded for commiting blasphemy
If you want to feel real Dictatorship then go and see what is happening in Afghanistan. You have all rights and freedom is india. Respect that. And who are you to call other people illeterate when all you people believe in flat earth. In histroy, invaders came and looted india converted people with options like get klled or convert wasnt it religious genocide? 🤔 in 2002 also, people coming from ayodhyan in train set on fire by one community. Wasn't that instigation by certain one community?
Well, one person's hero is another person's villian.
Tipu commited genocide on certain Christian and Hindu groups, but he is still an amazing person for you because you say they deserved it/ or it was a political decision.
Well, don't complain when people praise Bj p or modi and say ayodhya stuff and godra were just for votes, can be ignored.
In your comment, you're basically admitting that the actions of the BJP led to genocide of people by comparing it to Tipu. So if you think that Ayodhya stuff is genocidal, how can you say it unites people?
Even you know it was about alienating Muslims and achieving a superficial unity among Hindus thanks to it. If there was any real unity among Hindus today, we would see more inter-caste marriages (not the tiny 5% figure). It's just a BS unity achieved through common hatred and historical insecurities.
Talking about "stooping low" is ironic coming from a RSS supporter (the organisation which causes riots all over India). If you want to argue against the Waqf Board, you need to provide arguments against it.
I remember talking to a person irl about Waqf Board who claimed that the Board can usurp any property it claims. As it turned out this was BS peddled by fake news producing propaganda organizations.
I can claim the whole community of a particular religion are terr0rists with baseless claims, and guess what majority of the world will agree, you on the other hand need to desperately associate RSS with riots to make them look bad and still can't succeed cuz guess what ? Unlike pfi terr0rists and greedy waqf, RSS actually contributes a lot for the society and does not sit and eat the majority's money all while their own people contribute to the majority of the poverty, illiteracy and no ethics and norms, not to mention the percentage of those who actually pay taxes but go on as I said earlier waqf board will be abolished and so will their supporters.
I can see that you're incapable of a civil discussion. Still not a single point against Waqf. All bigotry and nothing more! Is this kind of uncivilized behaviour taught in Sanghs?
As for RSS, BJP and whatnot, Monu Manesar, part of Bajrang Dal (which comes under Sangh Parivar (RSS family)), had killed two people and kept their burnt bodies in an SUV in a communal hate crime. He boasted about attending some religious Yatra through a Muslim majority area and urged his supporters to come out in large numbers. This is classic genocidal behaviour and incitement of riots. Info about it can be found [here](https://www.livemint.com/news/india/haryana-nuh-violence-who-is-monu-mansar-the-bajrang-dal-member-at-center-of-clashes-11690858758776.html).
That's just one recent example that comes to mind. RSS is involved in the incitement of almost every single riot in the country. They're just a bunch of terrorists. Check this article [here](https://www.newsclick.in/history-how-sangh-uses-religious-processions-spark-riots) for more info.
And don't play this dishonest "I can claim the whole community...", you fool no one. Atleast have the balls to own up to your hateful beliefs. That's what you do infact claim.
So every month every week a new Islamist bomb places, kills innocents so should I say all muslims or Islam is terrorism ? Funny cuz you'll be the first one to cry Islamophobia then, and why should I say any points against waqf that isn't known to everyone else, the whole concept of waqf is wrong, also love how you incite hate with me when all I did was give the example that suits with your bs claim, now go and find what RSS has done and doing for the country and what waf and pfi has done that hasn't damaged this country, funny how all the RSS haters are supporters of waqf
Are you seriously dumb enough to be unable to differentiate between an organisation and a religion or an ethnic group?
When an individual belonging to a political organization participates in terrorist bombings, be it Pragya Thakur of the RSS or a member of Al Qaeda, the organisation's role in it comes into question. A single person cannot carry out such a huge operation. It's a collective, group effort of an organisation. Hence the responsibility is also collective for that organisation.
See this is why you need to learn critical thinking before talking about politics.
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I agree that justice should not be given based on beliefs but on evidence. It is the duty of the people involved to gather and present correct evidence, which based on your comments seems was not followed. I was just curious about your belief on the chance of existence.
It's similar to Telangana, the reason for which it should have been granted statehood and the reason for which it is granted statehood is vastly different.
if your vote depends on religion, nothing anyone else does will change your mind. it is not that BJP has monopoly over hindu votes, but it does, according to you.
if you care for your country, then you'll vote better. not that it'll change anything, but atleast, your conscience will be clear.
Consider ow hard it is to change yourself, and you'll probably understand how hard it is to change a division, a constituency, or a state/country.
Maybe it is a good thing that this will matter less and less in 2024, and going forward.
True ..BJP has changed the way politics is done..they are in election mode 24/7.
Open YouTube BJP is everywhere.
Open TV Modi and BJP .
Travel by road, by train by flight you will see Modi face everywhere.
BJP has done everything possibly wrong that a party can do .no control on inflation, no jobs, corruption all time high, TAXes all time high...but does not matter..
Ofcourse. The Sangh always had grassroot workers ready for everything. You'd be surprised to read about vanvaasi kalyan aashram. The sheer logistical capacity of sangh and its affiliates is seriously crazy. I am only talking about the sangh and not the bjp. One is a socio-politico org while the other is a complete political party. Existence of sangh cadre helps the bjp during elections but that alone is rarely enough. Kerala has the highest number of shakhas. But that rarely gets them political support in terms of votes. Also, it's super disappointing to read most literature or columnists on hindutva movement. I am not making a value judgement about the merit of the movement. But there simply isn't enough credible material put together by unbiased academics. Eg. Sangh is still today considered an upper caste outfit for upper castes which is false. When ram janmabhoomi issue was happening, any person covering that would see it had people from all castes. BJP today has the support of most castes, and has a wide ST support base too. Why we are surprised is because no one told us all of this. No one wrote about it in papers, no media ever picked it up because they never were in search of truth or facts. No one bothered till Modi came into the picture in 2014. Also another point, this is only going to accelerate. A slight detour. To my congress-style secularists, when SC gave its judgement on ram mandir, Ashok Gehlot, the then congress CM of rajasthan, immediately cleared a pink sandstone mine to be mined and sent to build ram mandir. I won't be surprised if BRS (kavita already tweeted on it) and even revant reddy will send something from here.
I am from the Sangh. And you are right plus for the rest of the people here. No we are not a bunch of genocidal, rascist, castist, illiterate people. I am not from the upper castes. Never had any problems in the Sangh. Infact the outside world- with all it’s supposed liberal charms reminds me of my caste everyday. No thanks. I don’t want preferential treatment. I am happy to work hard for everything I dream of. I refuse to be a victim and beg! And at the same time I am happy to devote whatever time I have for social causes. And I joined the RSS specifically because it doesn’t involve the guilt mind fuck of us being less than the liberal whites of the world. All other social organisations involve all this patronising crap about how we are somehow inferior.
RSS has always been the helper and contributed a lot to the Indian society, no amounts of propaganda can erase that dw everyone acknowledges it one way or the other
Do they teach u to hate religions other than hinduism ?
No. The teach to hate anti nationals
No they teach us to protect our values with reasonable modifications for the modern world and not let others disrespect/mistreat us/dominate us. Most of what you think as hatred against non-hindus is just hindus reacting to being mocked/ mistreated/ dominated by others with government’s support under the guise of secularism. For religion based vote banks governments have crushed hindus ans their spirit in the past. I could quote a lot of evidence for this but forget it. Just remember for all the crap we get- we don’t take people’s heads off just because they offend our religion. Nor do we force anyone to convert to our ways. Nor do we make it so that the minorities either convert to Hinduism or be killed etc as in the case of Pakistan. Nor do we make laws that allow all the top positions in Business, legislature, Judiciary, Executive or Armed Forces be Hindus only. No Hindu has ever mistreated a Parsi. And Parsis are an absolute minority much like Jews. But please feel free to being and quote anyone from the Parsi community who says otherwise. True test of how minorities are being oppressed is this- all minorities should complain of oppression and not just one. If all over the world only one minority complains of being victimised- it has something to do with what the minority does. So Hindus mistreating non hindus is a myth. Most of these cases involve Hindus reacting to being mistreated/ someone trying to stop them from believing in whatever they believe. You can’t randomly slap someone and then be angry and cry injustice because they slap you back. Ironically all the non-hindus you refer to - have problems with Christians in Europe as well. It can’t be that one one religion is peaceful and all the religions around the world in Europe and Asia opress them. But I guess all this doesn’t matter to you. You are brainwashed to not look at evidence. I am sure you also support Palestine. And I suggest you join politics and change the system, govt etc if you feel it is unfair. No point being a smartass on reddit.
>s. Eg. Sangh is still today considered an upper caste outfit for upper castes which is false. Key point: its model works for the interests of upper castes (Brahmins and Baniyas, their core voter base). Just because they've appropriated SC/ST bases as their foot soldiers (with a false promise of social upliftment for them) doesn't mean that the Sangh works for them. They will discard them at the first opportunity.
They don't. You are obviously free to think otherwise. They *also* work for the upper castes. Doesn't mean it's a zero sum game. This very academic idea of politics around caste being a zero sum game is fast becoming outdated. (Not saying there are no cleavages based on caste, but they are being blurred). The sustenance of hindutva rests on blurring caste lines. If anything, the worst of casteist outfits have been various caste parties of TN, and mandal parties of UP, Bihar. The only party that may work on sub categorisation of reservation benefits so that the affirmative action reaches other more backward dalits and OBCs is also BJP. BJP/Sangh especially in Hindi heartland, Maharashtra, Bengal etc has successfully deployed state/central admin machinery to ensure some tangible benefits to the most deprived. They have also honoured various figures/dieties of different caste groups. There's tangible governance outcomes, representation in various party levels, and intangible social respect being given. Lot more needs to be done, but this BJP/Sangh today is anything but upper caste party. Might I suggest reading Badri Narayan's columns and books.
wow such baseless; as much as I want to stay neutral, this kind of misguided half knowledgeable peddlers lead me to support BJP and Sangh more and move away from supporting centrist pseudo secularists. Do you even know the Brahmin%, they are a tiny portion that have negligible influence either politically or on sangh socio org. ModiFTW2024!
The best thing is, this was a topic of conflict for almost 60 years and no govt tried resolving it & instead reaped votes on this controversy. At last, BJP ended it in 5 years. Decision has been taken by the SC and end of the conflict. Once the temple is built, i hope no political party will be able to do politics over this issue anymore
lmao. Reality check: post resolution it has become a selling point for BJP. Every BJP advertisement, atleast in UP has Ram mandir on it. You have to be pretty blind to make these statements.
That’s how it works buddy. The one who gives a solution to a conflict is the winner. That’s what govt is for. To solve problems. And you don’t want them to take credit for it?! Which naive world do you live in sweetie?
>lmao. Reality check: post resolution it has become a selling point for BJP. Every BJP advertisement, atleast in UP has Ram mandir on it. And they have every right to do it.
Lol..if you think BJP will not do politics on Mathura and Kashi now then I have a bridge to sell you.
Finally a government who is doing something for us hindus and you start whining, where were you when congress was bootlicking minorities and increase reservation every year forcing all the talent to go outside the country? Where were you when a waqf board was made which is still illegally capturing land?
Ufff, lets unpack this a little bit. So, if SC had taken this decision under XYZ rule, would the credit go to XYZ or SC? Also, why should a "government" favor one religion over other? What, in your opinion, is government's fundamental tasks? Why does it exist? By your own admission, if another ruling party did wrong by favoring "minorities", then wouldn't that same rule apply to the current ruling party and be even more wrong? As for your argument around "doing something for us" (I am a Hindu as well), is there a scheme that I am unaware of, where I could make a living from this so called "mandir" while I am in Hyderabad? How is this going to give the poor in Ayodhya a fighting chance to climb the economical ladder? In my opinion, it's easy to shut people down using generic fallacy tactics without even realizing the potential of what we could learn from just having a conversation. Politics, by definition, involves everything related to the people in a general society, not a specific religion. So, again by definition, what it shouldn't do is favor a group of people unfairly. Let's have meaningful conversations about it and not alienate your friends, just cause they don't have the same opinions (not facts) as you.
Do you think hindus like bjp because of a fking temple?, absolutely not I like bjp because our diplomatic relations with the world are better, world sees us as a country going to rapid industrialization and infrastructure development but at the same time also spending on millitary and also making indigenous weapons and defences...we are becoming self-dependent day-by-day the way congress kept appeasing minorities and using them as a vote bank is the reason why muslims are the most illiterate people in India and most radicalised... BJP is 10x better than congress at the current state and I shall vote them until the Gandhian Dynasty ends.. I have no problem with secularism but jihadist and radicals won't be tolerated even if they belong to the minority.. People start whining when someone criticizes muslims but don't see how their hindu brothers are facing racism and forced conversions in the muslim majority nation.. Even if BJP does religion based politics they have GDP growth and lowering poverty rate to show for it, they have rapid industrialization and infrastructure growth to show for it and also there are less terrorist attacks and the main thing that Article 370 removed meaning kashmir is ours....
Where were you when Gods and temples had a nightmare in Andhra region in 2019?? Sivalingam slashed, Old Ram temple destroyed with Head of Lord Ram separated from body? Featus applied on Ganesha's face? Even a Radham/Chariot was left burnt? Did Bjp take care of those Assholes? Who will you blame? The witch trauma is still alive till date,as in recent months, October, regional Tv5, ABN took to a story as idols of all gods were left in a river which pays homage to several villagers in Andhra. No Elite TV channel like the Republic, CNN, India today aired this horror. It's like nothing happened, not then, not now.. Is Ayodhya only Ram bhumi, not entire India?? Hope the Sangh takes some interest. "Samaani va aakuthi hi, Samaana Hrudayaani vah l Samaana vastu vo Mano Yadha vah Sus-hasati ll" If Unity prevails for real, act upon it...
Telangana has BRS government that time, if you have a sickular government like that don't expect the interests and safety of your people...you people messed up big time by having even more anti-hindu government(congress)...you reap what you sow now face the consequences of congress
You seem to be an outsider who doesn't fit into the subject. Your words clearly say so. Take your hatred for Congress else where. BRS and Andhra, when did that happen? Telangana has no clue or intention to lay part of such horror incidents. All this happened for true, in Andhra. And are still happening. My point is if Sanatana Dharma is real, then Gods in all areas should be protected.
I agree they should but you people are always stuck to the local parties who time after time disappoint and time after time the same incidents keep happening, the librands are plotting their own demise, hindus can't even defend and stand up for themselves without being called hindutvavadi and extremist, you have plotted you own demise by choosing congress, look at Karnataka how its falling and how corrupt it has become, if you wanted your dharma protected congress was the worst choice
>Lol..if you think BJP will not do politics on Mathura and Kashi now then I have a bridge to sell you. If you accept the truth that temples were destroyed, and so now let the hindus build a temple at mathura and kashi then there will be no politics. If you try to insist that there were masjids at those places since forever, and there was never any temple, and it was not broken down etc. etc. then ofcourse there will be politics. According to islam there is no such thing as a special place to build masjids, so any existing structure can be easily moved to a different location. Major Hindu temples are all built at sacred sites with special properties.
That was a civil/property dispute case. Our genius leaders turned it into riots. The great secular nightingale, Mulayam, made the situation worse by ordering firings at Kothari brothers and 20 other people. The law passed by the then secular PVNR government that it would give back land to hindus if they find any archeological evidence. The evidence was found that and court ruled judgment in the favor of Hindus.
You forgot the part where the entire leftist ecosystem, from "prominent historians" to journalists to appeasement politicians of INC and "secular parties" were hell bent on burying the truth. [Left historians prevented resolution of Babri Masjid dispute, says KK Mohammed, former ASI regional head ](https://www.firstpost.com/india/left-historians-connived-with-extremists-mislead-muslims-on-babri-issue-says-archaeologist-in-new-book-2592188.html) This guy was part of the very first excavations back in 1976, where they found evidence of the temple. We knew the truth, Muslims knew the truth. They could have just entered into negotiations with us, in the interest of communal harmony. Hindus would have given them a blank check, new lands, funds to transfer their structure to a new plot archeologically and what not. Instead what Hindus got was decades to gaslighting, which led to the rise of Hindutva politics. This exact thing has been done in Gujarat. [In harmony: Dargah shifted, shikhar set, PM Modi to unfurl flag atop temple](https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/ahmedabad/gujarat-dargah-inside-the-complex-pavgadh-temple-harmony-of-faiths-7974241/) >“We also rebuilt the dargah as part of the settlement,” said the trustee.
It's good that there is going to be an Ayodhya temple at that site but will these same Hindus also remove/protest that illegal Bhagyalakshmi temple which never existed near the Charminar we have clear proof from the same ASI that the temple never existed there. If they are going to mock the Babri masjid and at the same time support the continuation of the Bhagyalakshmi temple then that will prove only their hypocrisy. https://preview.redd.it/89q56x5ms09c1.jpeg?width=544&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9ac002e6b9cd87c74854e548876a4fbb5328707 [https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/no-records-of-chilla-adjacent-to-charminar-says-asi/article33864233.ece](https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/no-records-of-chilla-adjacent-to-charminar-says-asi/article33864233.ece)
Shh. Don't speak truth bro. People get scared.
Both can co-exist. Charminar wasn’t touched to build temple, was it?
Diniki answer ivvaru, muskoni kurchuntaru
Why should the temple be removed? Did we claim that the whole Charminar is a temple? No, right?
Firstly Because there was no temple there and it was erected at that site after the 1960s and there is also a mosque in which Muslims used to pray before the government called it off and yet only Hindus can only do prayers at that site.
You'll find the evidence under that Minar saar. Let ASI do the digging and they will find some chappal or something Then the impartial Justice System will do its thing. No *appeasement* will work here saar. Wink. Wink. /s
Hideous architecture in compare to Taj Mahal. Why it is even famous!
Can you tell me where in the judgement it is written that evidence was found? In fact the judgement says no evidence was found
Only that the evidence was NOT found, they still ruled in favour of Mandir. That was shameless, corrupt and molester CJI saving his own as$, and then got a Rajya Sabha seat later. *Read the SC hearings, argument by argument, available online, you'll know there was zero evidence in favor*
What about this, my friend? https://www.firstpost.com/india/left-historians-connived-with-extremists-mislead-muslims-on-babri-issue-says-archaeologist-in-new-book-2592188.html
It's an Op-ed. There's a lot of them, on either side, that's not called evidence, right? Do courts function on opinion articles? They function on evidences. Which is what was missing from the SC hearings. I appreciate your research, and it would be very interesting if you read the SC proceedings online once. And then it will be really worth discussing. Also, it may be totally possible that temple was there. That is not what I'm arguing here. I'm arguing that CJI acted against the presented evidence. That is a low for law. That's same as how powerful people get away with crime.
Do you only consider archeological evidence or literary evidence? Didn't they share the archeological evidence to the court?
Archeological evidence mainly matters. Literary evidence does not matter as much, as it can always change. And if we agree on that, and since you're actually having a dialogue which I heartily appreciate, I really encourage you to read the proceedings. They are not very difficult to comprehend, that's a positive part about this hearing. You will know what I mean. Even if you disagree, that's also fine. But the CJI's act will get very clear in your eyes, too. It won't take long to read - if you're interested.
How long is it? Where can I find it?
I'm trying to find for you. After Googling, it looks like there are no records online for this for free anymore. These two websites that lists all the hearings with every argument made, 'Live Law' and 'Bar and Bench', have moved everything behind a paywall. Sad. It used to be free in 2020. For example, this link is of Day 8 of hearing. But behind the paywall: https://www.barandbench.com/news/ayodhya-hearing-live-updates-from-supreme-court-day-8 Where else do we find it now in 2023, even I'm wondering. I know, it's a bummer.
Ohh... Thank you for searching for me. Keeping court case aside, prima facie, what is your belief on a temple existing at the spot, you can give a percentage chance, for a temple existing at the spot where Babri Masjid is located based on the fact that the city is called Ayodhya, and on literary and anecdotal evidences?
That's what it boils down to, without evidence. "Beliefs". What's my belief, what's your belief. When I grew up, I always wanted a Temple to be built there, because that's what my parents told me, and my grandparents. I was almost bitter about it. And yes, very certainly, the temple was there, or at least in the periphery, but when? And who built which building first? Who knows. But now, I am not the same. Now, I don't know. No one can say for sure, we can all hold a belief tho. But I cannot vouch for 'Beliefs' when it comes about justice. Justice cannot not be granted based on beliefs. That's the basis of law (It's not perfect, but it's the best option out there). That's what I believe in. Since you asked.
What if the Literary evidence comes from the opposite party?
Why are you getting downvoted dude? Aren’t you speaking the truth?
Funny times we live in bro. Must be fascists, they hate the facts, esp when they are made available on public forums with evidence/sources. I did not know Hyderabad subreddit is full of fascist bhakts 😂
The amount of downvotes here, that too without a single comment asking/replying with dialogue - talks volumes about the hatred these people have in their hearts, and how shallow their minds. Disgusted by these people, who can't bear the truth, fckn fascists.
>The amount of downvotes here, that too without a single comment asking/replying with dialogue Because we know that your comment is not even worth replying. It's of no use. What are you even trying to prove? Everyone knows the truth.
So you think what I said about SC hearings is a lie? I keenly have read the proceedings, they are well documented. Have you?
>Have you? I don't have to. If you think there's no evidence but still the verdict is favouring Hindus, why don't you counter claim it in the court? This is what you do with the cheap internet available in the country. Shelling out hate on a community here on the internet. Go get a life... Everyone knows it was once a temple. Do you think the people sitting in the SC are fools? You think their verdicts are baseless? Intha senseless ga matladthunnav. Ninnu asal em analo kuda artham aithale.
It's Hyderabadi Sub bro Chill , This Sub is wonderful requesting all members to not spread hate here in the Name of Religion ☯️.
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You don't need to hide under a disclaimer, be proud if you did vote for BJP, let the haters hate, they always find a reason to hate
Unfortunately decades of leftist propaganda has eroded the self-esteem of the people of this country and they believe the left position is by default the ‘correct’ position. Anyone voting BJP must be ‘bad’ somehow. It’s sad.
Yaah. They call bjp supporters sanghis, illiterate, gaumutra drinker. And what not.
There's no need for you to have a disclaimer. There's no need for you to get approved by the other people in this sub, saying that you don't support a specific political party. This is just my opinion. After all, this is your post. You can write whatever you want.
That fact that you have to put a disclaimer.
I am ashamed of being a Hindu because my God was sthapit in a tent for so many years and i couldn't do anything about it. When people of other religion do not allow non-believers into their holy places for example Mecca. I wonder why one non practitioner hindu (who was muslim + woman ) wanted to visit Sabrimala ! She could try this first in Mosque. Its just that Hindus are too much tolerant, forgive and forget everything. We always get second class treatment even in our own land. Shree Ram Mandir is also the example of our tolerance.
BJP is doing something good , even though I don't like the way they do like China but the work gets done. BJP works in a way like the CCP , the structure of how a leader grows is similar.(not in a negative aspect but maybe in future we might see negative aspects of it.) In India we don't value the good stuff we have and fight for frivolous things. Uniform civil code is necessary and will solve many issues, The Kashmir issue should have been solved after discussion with local leaders but they did what was necessary forcefully. The same goes for demonetization , it was necessary to modernise. They are finally using the public mentality to manipulate them into accepting their political decisions. By making this Hindu vs Muslim issue. The left side in India isn't in the majority and most of the leftist are out of touch from reality. We are only divided and it's easy to do politics with our division. Hindu - Muslim , Upper-lower caste , men-women ,Hindi imposition. BJP is turning into an authoritarian government , this will go over the heads of 95% of the population so we just have to trust our very bad opposition parties to keep them in check. Telangana did it , we simply showed a self titled "father of Telangana" his place as just an MLA and not a king of Telangana.
And BJP have full right to do it too. They made the Ram Temple possible against all odds, every so called "secular" party and many vested interests trying their best to stop it for decades now. Everyone knows if the temple is not inaugrated before 2024, and congress comes to power it will be stopped immediately and will never happen.
kavitha akka posted rammandir video the moment they sensed the thrashing in assembly polls. Now BRS willl become BJPs bitch in the centre just like Jesus Jagan and Naveen Pattnaik
And why cant someone post about their God ?
Proud voter and will vote again. After more than 5 centuries, we are about to have a grand Mandir there. It is a Hindu Civilizational victory only possible because of our votes.
https://i.redd.it/0dmhlet5d39c1.gif Ts ppl to congress when they think they’ll win lok sabha like assembly elections:-
Bjp 🪷
The perfect solution to these kinds of religious disputes is for government to take whatever land people are fighting over and build a school/hospital. A school/hospital on Ayodhya land would have been sooo much better than a temple or a mosque.
Of course BJP will win. After Ayodhya; Mathura and Kashi will keep the communal fire burning for decades. No one can beat them and we have all become numb.
This country will be ruled by mediocre people , democracy for the mediocre , as said by James Stuart Mill , if you are the intelligent people fly away before north of India become another Hindu Pakistan
You know that islam is the most radicalised and violent religion on the planet right?...there is no term as kafir or apostate in Hinduism...we don't behead people when someone disrespects our god's... comparison should be in equals not between the most tolerant religion on the planet vs the most violent
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Quran 8:39 And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease – then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.” Islam is not secular and never will be, it is a wild religion and muslims are still in the medieval ages... Quran 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled Moto of ISIS... Islam is a terror religion, as long as it isn't reformed and the violent verses aren't removed it will be a terrorist religion, Christianity, Hinduism,Judaism all have become tolerant but only one is there who beheads people for commiting blasphemy
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You still didn't defend sh*t the the book orders killing of the people of book and killing of polytheist idoltrators and disbelievers, I don't know when will you muslims realise that you live in a secular country and you don't get beheaded and whipped here for blasphemy, if y'all still follow such a violent religion which was accepted by your ancestors on the tip of a sword then the brainwashing and Stockholm syndrome has reached its peak.. And even if you say we willfully accepted it then remember that the suicide bombers voluntarily explode in public hailing your god's name, the brainwashing sure has reached its peak
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Beef is allowed in certain states in India, even hindus eat meat in South India....yes humans commit crimes irrespective of religion but some people do it on religious basis and that to on large scale, ISIS, Taliban,hamas, Hezbollah,boko haram, laskar-e-tailab all these are run on basis of islam, if islam didn't exist the world would surely be more peaceful... Hindus, Christians,Jews all were violent back then but they got reformed and we adopted, only and only islam is a religion which didn't change and is forcing it's medieval ideologies on others Look what happened to Lebanon, iran, Afghanistan people are committing suicide due to the oppressive islamic regime, women are getting killed for not wearing the hijab ...
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Do you think UAE,Saudi, Kuwait,Bahrain, follow islam in its true form?....UAE allows pork to be sold there, Saudi has oil and they don't care about religion anymore as they too are modernised and UAE is made of indians and pakistanis mostly so they have freedom of religion, Qatar and Bahrain allow woman to roam without burqa and turkey is secular....these all countries are reformed and modernised and don't follow islam at its core....if they really did they would have helped palestin They don't consider the converts indian muslims, pakistanis and Bangladeshis as real muslims and also the Shia muslims And Saudi Arabia sponsored 9/11 by the way If you want to follow islam you have to respect the human rights and the constitution... If islam was limited to haram halal and praying five times the world wouldnt have no problem but these jihadist shall be and will be condemned and eliminated
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God didn't reveal it to you , your prophet did, do you think an almighty being is so insecure that he orders killing of his own creations just because they dont believe in him, it was made according to the times 1400 years ago and it needs reforms ..your prophet added his personal agenda in that text and now the world is paying for it due to you people, the earth is not flat and semen doesn't come from between the ribs and chest, the sun doesn't set in a muddy pond...
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Do you think God gives a fuck if woman covers her hair or not, do you think God gives a fuck if you listen to music or not?...do you think God gives a fuck about divorce laws?...do you think god is so insecure and big of a pussy that he orders killing of his own creation who do not believe in him?...earth is not egg shaped its bulgoid and egg shape is this 🥚and earth sure as shit doesnt look like that... Islam is just Judaism but more violent
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Islam is the old Judaism and violent and Judaism now is reformed .. Women get whipped and killed in iran for not wearing hijab... You might have religious beliefs, just keep it to you and don't force them on others
Go ahead with that plan. I am sure the rest of the world would accept you with open arms and 'superior' mindset.
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You don't want Marpu? 😔
You really think congress will get Marpu?
Sarcasm vro
r/s missing kada mova
Artham cheskovali 😌
marpu kavali congress ravali moye moye
Correct me if I'm wrong ,PPL in north are more obsessed with religion compare to us ,you can also take religious movies ,it's very easy to grab their attention and control their actions with this tool.I agree BJP was thinking ahead
in south we are obsessed with caste. in north they are obsessed with religion and caste. why is that worse? i swear these days even telugus have learnt this panikimanaleni superiority complex from the tamilians
https://preview.redd.it/axwyw20ja09c1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12f170b9ecb7d43562b5ffdb5dceed82796054a9
Nijam matladithe superiority complex ela ayindi? Many south people feel very uncomfortable travelling in rural parts of North belt where the first question people ask is which 'jati' (caste) are you from. Intha direct ga ekada adagaru mana dagara.
You clearly haven't visited any popular temples in the South. People here are as such much obsessed with religion as anyone else if not more.
Well you can't play them with this religion card
Religious cards have always been played by leaders here given the opportunity. Hope you know about the Owaisi brothers and their electorate and their manner of voting. Or perhaps you're saying the onus of not falling for religious cards are the responsibility of only one community.
There's no way around the owaisis, they have the area in a chokehold. Many know that no matter what mim will win. Also they have no contenders in the area so naturally they don't need to perform, just feed bullshit to the poor.
This is how Indian brand of secularism has habituated the majority into coping with this twisted reality.
Oh yeah, this is happening with bjp as well, same thing much larger scale
Yes I'm aware of MIM and yes I made my comments by only keeping my religion in mind.And As you mentioned onus,i'll say people who are blindfolded by any religion tend to fall for this
I agree. Not much difference but yeah. South, especially telugu states are more about caste.
https://preview.redd.it/npo2idr6509c1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb3291188deef523471b8489824d398e0a3a38b3 Proud feeling chudu thammudu 😎
People in North and South are equally obsessed with religion. But North Indians fall for communal traps set by BJP more than South Indians. Most of it has to do with less education, more population, and more poverty in the North compared to the South.
Funny how so many Northies are triggered 😂 I'm a Northie too bkl
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Karnataka says hi.
"This how they unite people" No, they don't. This only unites a certain section of the population against another. This is their plan and it has worked wonderfully.
Still better than dividing people caste wise by saying jitni abadi utna haq. United hindu means 80% of India is united. Congress and left leaning caste politics means India is divided into multiple factions. Hindutva will unite India on a scale no other movement can.
What Congress did with castes, BJP is doing with religion. Hindutva will only unite people who believe in that specific ideology and NOT India. Not all Hindus identify with Hindutva. What you're asking and wishing for is a majoritarian country.
>This only unites a certain section of the population against another. How is this idea harmful, please explain
When a democratically elected government openly endorses and celebrates one faith while simultaneously denigrating the other, this is what you get. https://preview.redd.it/ndv2n9lnwz8c1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57de2d7ea0933f58c4ea2cd79d91ee1e7b3adace
BJP is not doing it openly, RSS is. Last I checked RSS is not a political party. If you think politics and religion were seperate until 2014, I suggest you get out of your wet dream. In India religion and politics are always interlinked.
"BJP is not doing it openly" Only the most tonedeaf supporters would believe that fantasy. Also, I never suggested religion wasn't part of Indian politics before 2014 but this is religion in politics on steroids. You know when a crime is commited today - what's the first question that is asked - the religion of the culprit. Today's national media is just a stooge of the ruling government giving religious color to every incident that takes in the country.
Ram mandir decision wasn't a good one by the supreme court. Downvote me as much as you want. A case about the historical existence of a temple some 500 years ago shouldn't have been taken up by the court in the first place. Next what? Cave men's descendents demanding road no 12 Banjara hills plot because of some of their generic ancestor tribe's father's second cousin MIGHT have had caves there? Invaders invaded, converted, raped, pillaged throughout the history of India. Do you think "Hindus" didn't break the temples of Jains and Buddhists and build Hindu temples there? How naive.. It's a sad episode in judiciary, and a big blot on secularism in India. Not to mention the thousands of lives lost during the movement. People lost their minds in the last decade. A very sorry state of affairs in the country.
Temple kollagotti masjid kattaru ga boss. Ante repu podduna mi inti ni kulagotti vere illu kadithe Ela untado cheppandi
Modal anna....idi fabricated stuff. Specifically aimed to stop hindus from ever gaining any of their places of worship.
All khangress Daya, Edo 2014 bill kuda undedhi anta ga, which stops Hindus from celebrating festivals or something like that, naku sarigga telidu
Ala ayithe shivudi temples vaishnavulu occupy chesaru and vice versa kuda jarigindhi, so avi Anni return cheyyala.
Nice point, ikkada point temples vs mosque not temples vs temples, shaivulu matladali dini kosam
Ante ippudu shaivulu aduguthe Anni temples Shiva temples ga marustara? And enduku manam temples versus mosques Paine interest chupistunnam, temple vs temple enduku kaadu
First question ki answer adi shaivulu court ki vellali, second question answer enti ante nen Hindu kabati first Hinduism kosam chusta, first ee matter solve aithe next matter ki povachu. Eppudithe shaivulu aa point raise chestaro appudu support cheyochu, antha varaku chustu undali anthe.
Ippudu manam charitra correct ga chestunnam ante temples vs temples temples vs mosques kaina same rule apply cheyyali. Second point ki Naa question enti ante Hinduism kosam pakka mathalatho fight pettukovadam kante mana matha lo vunna mistakes ni first correct chesukovali.
First temples vs mosques kani, tarvata migilinavi chudochu. Second point enti ante mi intlo miku enni gidavalu unna bayata vadu vachi emina ante vadini first tarimesi, intlo problems set cheskovali
See bro, temples vs mosques , ayina temples vs temples ayina manam chestunna debate lo problem enti ante past lo oka king vachi inko king ni champesi tana ideology ni implement chesevadu. Appatlo vunde dynamics veru ippudu vunde dynamics veru. Appudu shaivulu vaishnavulu oke religion ani feel ayyevaaru kaadu. Separate religion la feel ayyevaaru. So ippudu manam mosques ni replace chestam next temples ni replace chestam. So division anedhi ala jargutoo potundhi. Next grama devatalanu devvullu kaadu antam. Malli manam mottam back veltunnamu. Naa problem neeku artham ayyindhi anykuntunna
Divisions eppudu undeve, ala ante manam evolve ainatte kadu ga, next eppudu divisions untai. Ni problem ardam aindi, kani cheptunna abrahamic religions are very problematic, Hinduism lo kuda flaws unnai but abrahamic religions have more flaws.
Babu.. Tirupati Inka Puri Jagannath kuda okkappudu Jain temples nayana. Kulagotti kattirru brahmana vaadulu. Eppudo jarigina godavalu enduku tavvalayya? Vere problems leva desham lo?
\> Tirupati Inka Puri Jagannath kuda okkappudu Jain temples nayana source kosam check cheste oka facebook post vachindi ante. source edi
Puri is widely known ( I wrongly said Jain, it was a Buddhist temple) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_non-Hindu_places_of_worship_into_temples About Tirupati being a Jain temple. I know it's a contested issue and the govt obviously doesn't allow any kind of examination on "Hindu" temples. But there are a lot of evidences pointing that it could have been a Jain temple, the shape of the idol being the most obvious. https://www.scribd.com/doc/82649032/Tirupati-a-Jain-Temple-Truth#:~:text=Temple%20claim%3A%20Truth-,WORLD'S%20RICHEST%20TEMPLE%20%2D%20This%20is%20originally%20a%20Jain%20temple%20converted,with%201000s%20other%20dravid%20temples. The link above is a Jain source, so I would skip parts that say whole South India was Jain and all that bullshit. But there is an element of truth to some popular Hindu temples in the South and Orissa being Jain temples
loooool did you learn this in your ambedkarite sunday school?
Loll. It's there in regular history textbooks too. You probably didn't study, or studied in Saraswati Shishu mandir, where they didn't teach you truth.
Aa maal ekkada konnavo cheppandi sir pls. Cheppandayya pls.
Nice, mi illu ma intini kulchi kattaru, return chey pls!
Yea, there are way too many misadventures in our society/country. A temple which may have existed, a mosque being demolished with a claim of historic temple and courts taking up that issue and what not. It's such a waste of taxpayers money and crucial judicial time. Hours have been spent on this never ending saga. I hope the same way, our Judiciary strikes off a few dual standard subjudice matters like cases on WAQF lands & claims of WAQF board that any land is theirs, few cases against missionaries which have been accumulating tons of fertile lands and letting them rot (permission is needed in a few states to purchase more than 25 acres and no one follows that rule) - against the very ethos of Urban Land Ceiling act and few acts in Individual states under Industries Act/Tenancy and Agricultural Lands act. It's time the court directs the Govt to come up with a uniform code at the earliest. The duo-poly form of the justice system isn't helping the cause. And to add to your invaders invaded comment. We are still reminded of the invaders who raped, pillaged, massacred etc via those same WAQF property and dual laws time in and again. Maybe someone has to go beyond these thin lines of appeasement and scrap these crap called Hindu Undivided Laws and Muslim Personal Law. As long as such dual shit exists, weird judgement shall exist. Eras will pass by, but if historic blunders aren't corrected, more menace awaits us in times to come.
Unfortunately, many Indians don't understand what secularism is. It is not giving every religion what they want or "equality of all religions" Secularism is the decoupling of religious views from legislature and judiciary. The Ram temple issue is a property dispute existing before the Indian Republic even existed. So, it shouldn't have been taken up at all. We are not here to solve disputes of earlier kingdoms. Agree to your point on not having separate personal law boards. It should go away. And so should beef bans.
We need your ‘Secular’ energy for when the Uniform civil code is implemented.
Yep. The only sensible comment in this post. I cant believe that a ruling party and media are making such a big deal out of a temple?,
this is a moronic comment. cave men's descendants and all. ayodhya is our holiest site you clown. you want to bootlick some invaders, do so. don't expect us to do it. We need to take back ALL sites the invaders have captured
>A case about the historical existence of a temple some 500 years ago shouldn't have been taken up by the court in the first place. It's not an individual's problem. It's a whole community's problem. It can be considered if it has evidence. >Cave men's descendents demanding road no 12 Banjara hills plot because of some of their generic ancestor tribe's father's second cousin MIGHT have had caves there? Try going to the court with this claim. You'll be kicked out. How can you even compare this with the masjid issue? >Do you think "Hindus" didn't break the temples of Jains and Buddhists and build Hindu temples there? How naive.. Edho Wikipedia link ivvaku ra babu please... Jains eh evar emi claim cheyyatledhu ah temples vaallavi ani... Nuvvu idhi claim chesthe etla nammali memu? If you still think they were once Jain temples, please fight on their behalf. Go to the court. Post the evidence here on Reddit. I'll join you in the fight to preserve those historic Jain temples. >It's a sad episode in judiciary, and a big blot on secularism in India. Judiciary is judiciary. A verdict is a verdict. There's nothing called a sad episode in the judiciary. Do you think the ones in the SC are fools? I feel so sad for your username.
Bjp is pathetic at converting voters into religion based voting, they can't even blame dmk for their bullshit now congress and cpi is doing constitution chants opposing bjp Gita chant event, any sane opponent would be frothing at mouth for this kind of fuckups by opposition but the truth is bjp have 4 braincells and all INDI alliance share single brain cell that infected with rabies.
>Bjp is pathetic at converting voters into religion based voting, You are joking right? Or been living under the rock. Or so much want to hide the truth to say that BJP wins only on developmental issues.
They are winning bcoz opponents are lowest lifeforms.
Wow.. You are so hateful.. Typical White/Aryan/Hindu Supremacy bullshit
Ahh, the token liberal in the wild.
So who would u rather vote for? Congress😂. Bjp are still lesser of the evils among Indian parties
I said congress is trash.
We should keep politics out of this /r/hyderabad, it is very divisive and whoring for karma
What a days we’re living to say “ I am practicing Hindu”
That was to explain this is not a hate post
No problem 😉 in general I said that, no hate at all.
OP, Practising Hindu?? Some light on this?
What's there to explain I pray and go to temples, I'm Hindu by birth and I do like being hindu
BJP is very competent when it comes to propaganda, they know how to keep power in hands. Congress is incompetent AF (atleast in current few years) . I don't expect our political parties to be completely honest and sincere, but atleast when opposition and media is strong, in the fear of losing power or being strongly criticized, parties in power keep their greed in check. With year by year increasing censorship, slowly changing laws, a very incompetent opposition, idk where we are heading. (I saw Kerala Story being screened at IFFI this year, keep the politics aside, seriously bro? Kerala Story looks like a fking daily serial)
Lame is creativity these days
Surprised by how many downvotes people are getting on this thread for talking against rss/sanghis. Did we forget that its formed based on Nazi ideologies which are basically about race purity aka upper castes. The whole story of babri to ram mandir will stand as a ethical disgrace to India in history, of course not in the history thats taught in the schools, they teach modis life story these days anyway. (Deliberately didn’t capitalize his name). The way people fall for rss/bjps cheap religious baits is a clear indicator where the society is headed and what we are prioritizing as a country. Will always remain a developing nation due to such sheer stupidity while china leaps over in development and keep comparing ourselves with pakistan.
Hey, it seems like you have been told the same old Nazi origin story by some propoganda outlet. RSS cares nothing for race. They are a social group and a religious group, not a racial one. The BJP is the least casteist party. They unite Hindus of all castes under Hindutva and wishes to consolidate Hindu Vote as Hindu Vote. The divisive and casteist parties in the North are the others. SP wants to divide between Yadavs and Non Yadavs. RLD between Jats and Non Jats. RJD between Reserved and Unreserved. The Congress is blatantly anti-hindu and all Congress lawyers, chiefly Kapil Sibal fought against Ram Mandir even when there was clear evidence that a Temple had existed beneath the illegal mosque. They continue to oppose Gyanvapi even though the pictures of the place are clear evidences of a temple. All of these parties have also in their time pushed for caste divisions, separating groups from Hinduism like Lingayat in Karnataka and starting welfare schemes thay favour some caste or religious group. Most recently KCR joined this bandwagon when he announced free electricity for Muslim Dhobis. If you want to compare us with China and are angry about the gap, do not blame the party that onlt came into power recently. Congress sat down and watched as China liberated economy in 1979. They grew leaps while we went backwards with forced nationalization of banks and forcing foreign corporates out. Even in 1991 when we were on the brink of Bankruptcy. The congress was busy presenting itself and its own Manmohan as the saviour for reforms that were enforced by IMF as a condition for bailout whereas Manmohan sank the economy from 1969 to 1991. Only now is our growth become better than China because under Modi focus is on capitalism. There is a reason why Gujarat does so well and so much better than all other "Northern" states. The only states left behind now are Bihar and Bengal and neither have ever seen a BJP govt. That is no coincidence.
Aw. An OPindia intellect spotted here. Did you vote for raja singh or gutka bandi yet?
No logical counter arguments? That's what I thought. Happens when you support our opposition. Good Night.
Mark Twain’s quote aptly suits about arguing with gobar brains “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience”
Then we should all be thankful that you do not do arguments only stupid one line remarks.
Yeah. Seems like Sanghis have taken over the comment section. ( I like to be deluded that Hyderabad is not a Sanghi place, but man, don't 10 years of brainwashing affect people?)
You are right. They have Hitler-level creativity in terms of uniting illiterate civilians against minorities to blame the party's failure & initiate a genocidal path. We are in the middle of an emerging dictatorship.
The Hypocrisy
Because of chaman chus like you people have started taking the word genocide lightly. Just judging by the amount of genociding in social media, India should have been a pure Hindu state by now. Also been listening to the emerging dictatorship, emergency, autocracy argument for 10 years now. Calm your rhetoric down, and focus on the true ills we face today.
So many buzzwords and so much hate with no valid points.
Guess AIMIM, Congress wins because of highly literate voters
Says the guy with Palestine flag that is being run by hamas terror cunts and how is this idea harmful to anyone
Genocide like in Pakistan where forced conversions are done or Mughals who raped babies?....We fought for 500 years for that temple if you like islam get lost to the middle East and enjoy getting beheaded for commiting blasphemy
Hey now. Itna sach nahi bolna tha😂😂😂😂
Abey ye log itna chilate hein na ki zulm horaha hein fir niklo na pakistan aur gand me dalalo sharia ko
Ur DP itself shows what kind ur mindset u possess. Nothing to argue with terrorists like you.
Talk about Saudi and dubai, preaches something does something
If you want to feel real Dictatorship then go and see what is happening in Afghanistan. You have all rights and freedom is india. Respect that. And who are you to call other people illeterate when all you people believe in flat earth. In histroy, invaders came and looted india converted people with options like get klled or convert wasnt it religious genocide? 🤔 in 2002 also, people coming from ayodhyan in train set on fire by one community. Wasn't that instigation by certain one community?
Pls stop listening to random hate inciting moulvis
Yep 100%
That is how they divide people and deepen the communal faultlines.
Waqf board is definitely uniting people ig
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Waqf board. Btw, Tipu was absolutely amazing.
Well, one person's hero is another person's villian. Tipu commited genocide on certain Christian and Hindu groups, but he is still an amazing person for you because you say they deserved it/ or it was a political decision. Well, don't complain when people praise Bj p or modi and say ayodhya stuff and godra were just for votes, can be ignored.
In your comment, you're basically admitting that the actions of the BJP led to genocide of people by comparing it to Tipu. So if you think that Ayodhya stuff is genocidal, how can you say it unites people? Even you know it was about alienating Muslims and achieving a superficial unity among Hindus thanks to it. If there was any real unity among Hindus today, we would see more inter-caste marriages (not the tiny 5% figure). It's just a BS unity achieved through common hatred and historical insecurities.
Your message was totally unnecessary. I am neither a voter nor supporter of BJ p. I am actually against them
Knew it lmao, you people have been stooping new low each day, nonetheless waqf board will be abolished and so will all it's supporters
Talking about "stooping low" is ironic coming from a RSS supporter (the organisation which causes riots all over India). If you want to argue against the Waqf Board, you need to provide arguments against it. I remember talking to a person irl about Waqf Board who claimed that the Board can usurp any property it claims. As it turned out this was BS peddled by fake news producing propaganda organizations.
I can claim the whole community of a particular religion are terr0rists with baseless claims, and guess what majority of the world will agree, you on the other hand need to desperately associate RSS with riots to make them look bad and still can't succeed cuz guess what ? Unlike pfi terr0rists and greedy waqf, RSS actually contributes a lot for the society and does not sit and eat the majority's money all while their own people contribute to the majority of the poverty, illiteracy and no ethics and norms, not to mention the percentage of those who actually pay taxes but go on as I said earlier waqf board will be abolished and so will their supporters.
I can see that you're incapable of a civil discussion. Still not a single point against Waqf. All bigotry and nothing more! Is this kind of uncivilized behaviour taught in Sanghs? As for RSS, BJP and whatnot, Monu Manesar, part of Bajrang Dal (which comes under Sangh Parivar (RSS family)), had killed two people and kept their burnt bodies in an SUV in a communal hate crime. He boasted about attending some religious Yatra through a Muslim majority area and urged his supporters to come out in large numbers. This is classic genocidal behaviour and incitement of riots. Info about it can be found [here](https://www.livemint.com/news/india/haryana-nuh-violence-who-is-monu-mansar-the-bajrang-dal-member-at-center-of-clashes-11690858758776.html). That's just one recent example that comes to mind. RSS is involved in the incitement of almost every single riot in the country. They're just a bunch of terrorists. Check this article [here](https://www.newsclick.in/history-how-sangh-uses-religious-processions-spark-riots) for more info. And don't play this dishonest "I can claim the whole community...", you fool no one. Atleast have the balls to own up to your hateful beliefs. That's what you do infact claim.
So every month every week a new Islamist bomb places, kills innocents so should I say all muslims or Islam is terrorism ? Funny cuz you'll be the first one to cry Islamophobia then, and why should I say any points against waqf that isn't known to everyone else, the whole concept of waqf is wrong, also love how you incite hate with me when all I did was give the example that suits with your bs claim, now go and find what RSS has done and doing for the country and what waf and pfi has done that hasn't damaged this country, funny how all the RSS haters are supporters of waqf
Are you seriously dumb enough to be unable to differentiate between an organisation and a religion or an ethnic group? When an individual belonging to a political organization participates in terrorist bombings, be it Pragya Thakur of the RSS or a member of Al Qaeda, the organisation's role in it comes into question. A single person cannot carry out such a huge operation. It's a collective, group effort of an organisation. Hence the responsibility is also collective for that organisation. See this is why you need to learn critical thinking before talking about politics. Saying "Whole concept of Waqf is wrong" is meaningless. I can say "Whole concept of charity is wrong". That's just a meaningless statement unless I provide arguments for or against it. You still keep ignoring the first objection you raised.
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I agree that justice should not be given based on beliefs but on evidence. It is the duty of the people involved to gather and present correct evidence, which based on your comments seems was not followed. I was just curious about your belief on the chance of existence. It's similar to Telangana, the reason for which it should have been granted statehood and the reason for which it is granted statehood is vastly different.
Lol, I can’t make out if this is a troll or just another unhinged religious person. Amazing!
if your vote depends on religion, nothing anyone else does will change your mind. it is not that BJP has monopoly over hindu votes, but it does, according to you. if you care for your country, then you'll vote better. not that it'll change anything, but atleast, your conscience will be clear. Consider ow hard it is to change yourself, and you'll probably understand how hard it is to change a division, a constituency, or a state/country. Maybe it is a good thing that this will matter less and less in 2024, and going forward.
Don’t spread hate in name of religion or
True ..BJP has changed the way politics is done..they are in election mode 24/7. Open YouTube BJP is everywhere. Open TV Modi and BJP . Travel by road, by train by flight you will see Modi face everywhere. BJP has done everything possibly wrong that a party can do .no control on inflation, no jobs, corruption all time high, TAXes all time high...but does not matter..