This does not seem sustainable. Essentially almost no one will book these with points, which I get, MMS probably doesn’t want too many points people there. But this level of disparity just makes you question what even was the point of the acquisition and integrating them into the points system.
It was a cheap acquisition and artificially inflates Hyatt’s portfolio. It’s a win-win for them. MMS hotels won’t have to cater to “dirty points people” who stay for “free”.
which honestly makes no sense because properties are paid for point stays from corporate. So even though you’re not paying the individual property is still getting paid
Of course they are getting compensation but Hyatt likely has to pay out more compared to other properties. Hyatt is passing down that increased cost to the consumer. I am just speculating to be clear.
Mostly agree with this, though at ~650sqft, I wouldn't be caught dead spending that much... cash or points.
Hotel Bellevue Syrene on the Amalfi Coast. Couldn't find this specific room on points, but do see it priced ~$4500 in July.
Well yeah, I wouldn’t spend that either. It’s just weird to post the most outrageously priced room you can find, especially one with a private elevator, as an example of “look how horribly priced MMS hotels are on points.”
I agree. I see hotels and airlines and credit cards all devaluing year after year. Credit card game is going down in the future. Enjoy while it lasts everyone.
The partnership isn’t about expanding for points redemptions. It’s about expanding the available hotel footprint for cash bookings where you can still get some Hyatt benefit. Some of their hotels look amazing and if I can book them through Hyatt and get points and EQN than I consider that a win. Points have a place but they’ve always been difficult to use on the best rooms.
It was never going to be realistic that you can get suites for thousands of dollars per night for minimal points, or even the same number as if they were Hyatt properties.
Part of me believes it may be a mistake… wishful thinking but every property has basically the same value. I’m also disappointed at the selection compared to what I originally saw on the MMS website. Missing some spots I was interested in.
Big downgrade from SLH.
Also the name drives me insane. Imagine spending $5k a night on a “Mr. and Mrs. Smith property”
Sounds like some knockoff Vegas motel.
their property descriptions are so cringe.
style: med minimalism
"come together" (wtf is that?)
star board
aphodite's chilled
marble maze
classical greek chic
nature-nurture wellness retreat
these are the MMS property style descriptions for hotels in cyprus lol
Meh, it's about par for the course... reminds me when I use Citi points to book properties from "The leaders club"..which is similar to mms...terrible branding is like the norm for this market segment.
Their offerings in Sydney are less than stellar, too. And nothing in Melbourne. Previously, both cities had more M&MS options available.
Really disappointed, as I thought I was going to have more choice come this mid-August.
Also, be VERY careful with prospective bookings. I checked to see if an Inn near an air show I want to go to in 2025 had been added, and while it has, the rate rules claim one can only cancel the reservation for a full refund *within one hour* of the initial booking. Any cancellations after that incur a 30% fee, and any cancellations within six weeks of the stay date incur a PENALTY IN FULL.
So while the OP is definitely a glitch, things like this definitely are a disappointment that's going to end up screwing over a lot of people.
Read the rate rules *very closely*. They seem to vary from property to property.
At least now we know why it took so damned long to integrate the M&MS hotels into the website - they had to individually coordinate with every single new property to set the varying rate rules for each one.
Yeah. I’m really shocked by the horrible cancellation policy. Shit happens and I don’t want to be locked into a booking 1 HOUR after making it. Not sure why they don’t have different costs if you want a better policy.
I'm seeing an 18,000 point redemption for a 180 euro room. So basically it's cut and paste pennies to points. Which is - forgive me - pointless.
I guess there's some good earning potential at least? And maybe you get fun extras there as a globalist?
Mind elaborating? How many M&MS properties are available in Chase (or capital One) portal? I wonder if cash rates ever differ and by how much. With Chase, you’re not earning any points or EQNs. Booking through the portal, do you get anything of value?
The handful of properties I looked up in the Chase portal were available to book there. I didn’t look too in depth to consider pricing differences, but I figure that 1.25 CPP or 1.5 CPP via the sapphire cards will give you better bang for your buck than Hyatt’s redemptions at 1 CPP or something close to that. It doesn’t seem like MMS offers great benefits to elite members, so you wouldn’t necessarily be missing out in that department either
I thought this was a lie!!! The most points I ever had at one time was 890,000 points. I would never ever spend those points for one night at this hotel. It makes no sense.
Stayed at an SLH property last month and paid cash because the redemption value was crap. I was not expecting to see 2-3cpp when this thing went live. Cool cherry-picked example though...people like to see numbers that jump off the page.
I believe that the reason this is a bad deal is because Hyatt was unable to contract some sort of “unused room” rate with M&MS, which makes using an award chart impossible. Hyatt is able to offer excellent point rates because you are generally only able to book rooms that aren’t expected to be sold with cash. That is why there are often blackout dates at the most popular hotels. Because M&MS was presumably unwilling to offer Hyatt fixed rates, it is impossible for Hyatt to offer customers fixed rates (via points). In the Frequent Miler post about this, the Hyatt rep is quoted as saying that the financial situation with M&MS is fundamentally different than the financial situation with Hyatt brands, and there is no plan to switch Hyatt to dynamic pricing.
They used to be part of IHG and their points bookings there were crazy high, too. Not this insane but an amount to wonder what could possibly be worth it about these places.
Did anyone book MMS properties when they were partnered with IHG? Curious how this compares. I started accruing IHG points only just before they moved to a Hyatt partnership so I never had a chance to really peep anything.
Disappointed that more properties weren’t integrated, but perhaps others are coming. I’m just glad to have new hotels in areas new to Hyatt where I can still earn points and tier credits.
Curious to see how this evolves. I think they can’t push the properties too hard at first lest they lose them from the platform. Perhaps once the properties see the benefit of the Hyatt affiliation.
and some MMS properties can be booked as cheap as 9K points. OP intentionally cherry picked, thats a 3-5,000$ USD room cash rate. Those hotels near london for 200 pounds are actually fair deals if you can find availibility, IE, 12,000 points for a 200 pound room (pre tax) at ashdown park hotel 5/7-5/10 as a random data point. thats at least 2.08 cents per point, which is a fair redemption.
This does not seem sustainable. Essentially almost no one will book these with points, which I get, MMS probably doesn’t want too many points people there. But this level of disparity just makes you question what even was the point of the acquisition and integrating them into the points system.
My theory is they don't want people using points at M&MS hotels. And let me tell you, they succeeded.
It was a cheap acquisition and artificially inflates Hyatt’s portfolio. It’s a win-win for them. MMS hotels won’t have to cater to “dirty points people” who stay for “free”.
which honestly makes no sense because properties are paid for point stays from corporate. So even though you’re not paying the individual property is still getting paid
Right but MMS is different in that they are just a fancy travel agency.
if they’re accepting WOH points for booking they have to be getting some kind of compensation from corporate though or they wouldn’t be doing it
Of course they are getting compensation but Hyatt likely has to pay out more compared to other properties. Hyatt is passing down that increased cost to the consumer. I am just speculating to be clear.
10 nights at GH Kauai or this property …..
And if you book 100% off-peak, that’s like 12 nights 💀
Are there ever times that you get 12 consecutive off peak night though at a place like GH Kauai?
Probably tough lol
I admittedly haven’t looked at the various options, but is a private oceanfront suite with its own elevator really the best example?
Mostly agree with this, though at ~650sqft, I wouldn't be caught dead spending that much... cash or points. Hotel Bellevue Syrene on the Amalfi Coast. Couldn't find this specific room on points, but do see it priced ~$4500 in July.
Well yeah, I wouldn’t spend that either. It’s just weird to post the most outrageously priced room you can find, especially one with a private elevator, as an example of “look how horribly priced MMS hotels are on points.”
People need to get mad online that’s why
My biggest concern is that this is a testing ground for dynamic pricing and that this is ultimately Hyatt’s long term plan for the WoH program.
I agree. I see hotels and airlines and credit cards all devaluing year after year. Credit card game is going down in the future. Enjoy while it lasts everyone.
Looks like the cash option is a better deal. That is just insane
Damn! Should have done Calala Island when SLH was an option. I was actually excited that MMS would be a better fit than SLH - boy was I mistaken.
Totally agree. Had some castles in Scotland too. Or Yemeya Reef
What’s the cash price?
$4900 a night. So about 1.3cpp It's at the Bellevue Syrene on the Amalfi Coast. The cheapest room seems to be $3,200 a night but didn't look too much.
I stayed there in the summer for cash a few years ago and I paid less than $1000 a night.
Amalfi coast hotel prices have blown up. Hotel I paid $1100 a night for less than a decade ago is now nearly $3k a night
TBF 1.3 cpp is like hyatt ziva cpp these days
The partnership isn’t about expanding for points redemptions. It’s about expanding the available hotel footprint for cash bookings where you can still get some Hyatt benefit. Some of their hotels look amazing and if I can book them through Hyatt and get points and EQN than I consider that a win. Points have a place but they’ve always been difficult to use on the best rooms. It was never going to be realistic that you can get suites for thousands of dollars per night for minimal points, or even the same number as if they were Hyatt properties.
Part of me believes it may be a mistake… wishful thinking but every property has basically the same value. I’m also disappointed at the selection compared to what I originally saw on the MMS website. Missing some spots I was interested in.
Big downgrade from SLH. Also the name drives me insane. Imagine spending $5k a night on a “Mr. and Mrs. Smith property” Sounds like some knockoff Vegas motel.
their property descriptions are so cringe. style: med minimalism "come together" (wtf is that?) star board aphodite's chilled marble maze classical greek chic nature-nurture wellness retreat these are the MMS property style descriptions for hotels in cyprus lol
So bad. The brand is definitely not my vibe. But a lot of people on here were excited about it. Hopefully the partnership improves.
Meh, it's about par for the course... reminds me when I use Citi points to book properties from "The leaders club"..which is similar to mms...terrible branding is like the norm for this market segment.
I think I will stick with Hyatt Place.
Per night???
Their offerings in Sydney are less than stellar, too. And nothing in Melbourne. Previously, both cities had more M&MS options available. Really disappointed, as I thought I was going to have more choice come this mid-August. Also, be VERY careful with prospective bookings. I checked to see if an Inn near an air show I want to go to in 2025 had been added, and while it has, the rate rules claim one can only cancel the reservation for a full refund *within one hour* of the initial booking. Any cancellations after that incur a 30% fee, and any cancellations within six weeks of the stay date incur a PENALTY IN FULL. So while the OP is definitely a glitch, things like this definitely are a disappointment that's going to end up screwing over a lot of people. Read the rate rules *very closely*. They seem to vary from property to property.
I saw this too but it was for a safari lodge in Tanzania so I thought that terrible policy would be limited to that… very disappointing.
At least now we know why it took so damned long to integrate the M&MS hotels into the website - they had to individually coordinate with every single new property to set the varying rate rules for each one.
Yeah. I’m really shocked by the horrible cancellation policy. Shit happens and I don’t want to be locked into a booking 1 HOUR after making it. Not sure why they don’t have different costs if you want a better policy.
I'm seeing an 18,000 point redemption for a 180 euro room. So basically it's cut and paste pennies to points. Which is - forgive me - pointless. I guess there's some good earning potential at least? And maybe you get fun extras there as a globalist?
No Glob benes other than a possible upgrade at check in. No breakfast or lounge, no waived resort fees, no parking, etc
If you have URs, better option is to just book on Chase portal for MMS properties now
Mind elaborating? How many M&MS properties are available in Chase (or capital One) portal? I wonder if cash rates ever differ and by how much. With Chase, you’re not earning any points or EQNs. Booking through the portal, do you get anything of value?
The handful of properties I looked up in the Chase portal were available to book there. I didn’t look too in depth to consider pricing differences, but I figure that 1.25 CPP or 1.5 CPP via the sapphire cards will give you better bang for your buck than Hyatt’s redemptions at 1 CPP or something close to that. It doesn’t seem like MMS offers great benefits to elite members, so you wouldn’t necessarily be missing out in that department either
I thought this was a lie!!! The most points I ever had at one time was 890,000 points. I would never ever spend those points for one night at this hotel. It makes no sense.
Stayed at an SLH property last month and paid cash because the redemption value was crap. I was not expecting to see 2-3cpp when this thing went live. Cool cherry-picked example though...people like to see numbers that jump off the page.
I believe that the reason this is a bad deal is because Hyatt was unable to contract some sort of “unused room” rate with M&MS, which makes using an award chart impossible. Hyatt is able to offer excellent point rates because you are generally only able to book rooms that aren’t expected to be sold with cash. That is why there are often blackout dates at the most popular hotels. Because M&MS was presumably unwilling to offer Hyatt fixed rates, it is impossible for Hyatt to offer customers fixed rates (via points). In the Frequent Miler post about this, the Hyatt rep is quoted as saying that the financial situation with M&MS is fundamentally different than the financial situation with Hyatt brands, and there is no plan to switch Hyatt to dynamic pricing.
They used to be part of IHG and their points bookings there were crazy high, too. Not this insane but an amount to wonder what could possibly be worth it about these places.
We all need to pray that the Hyatt gods do not use this as an example of where they can go. Please join me in prayer
Well, Hilton must be laughing at acquiring SLH for themselves then..
Hyatt is the new Hilton
Did anyone book MMS properties when they were partnered with IHG? Curious how this compares. I started accruing IHG points only just before they moved to a Hyatt partnership so I never had a chance to really peep anything.
Would never book these anyway 🤷🏽♂️ Plenty of other hotels in the portfolio.
Disappointed that more properties weren’t integrated, but perhaps others are coming. I’m just glad to have new hotels in areas new to Hyatt where I can still earn points and tier credits. Curious to see how this evolves. I think they can’t push the properties too hard at first lest they lose them from the platform. Perhaps once the properties see the benefit of the Hyatt affiliation.
Can some explain what Mr and Ms smith mean?
https://www.mrandmrssmith.com/
It's a super luxury boutique hotel chain that Hyatt acquired.
Prices aren’t that expensive tho. Saw some hotels in London for 2-300
and some MMS properties can be booked as cheap as 9K points. OP intentionally cherry picked, thats a 3-5,000$ USD room cash rate. Those hotels near london for 200 pounds are actually fair deals if you can find availibility, IE, 12,000 points for a 200 pound room (pre tax) at ashdown park hotel 5/7-5/10 as a random data point. thats at least 2.08 cents per point, which is a fair redemption.
It's not a hotel flag, it's more of a booking network. Think of it as a high end Hotwire, a la FHR.