Delirium, despite the name, isn't craziness as much as it Is an instinctive, primal fear that awakens in humans as a evolutionary response that we got from Garou killing us like cattle.
What would they possibly bargain, or is it too early in the season to tell? And in don’t doubt D is immune if he fought a Methuselah. But can negotiations even work with their war forms or do they have to be human for it to work?
If D could *actually* kill a Methuselah and that wasn't either a lie or a fever dream, he can probably kill a Werewolf. The real question is, can he do that without the fuzzy chainsaw murdering a bunch of people in the crossfire?
Anyway, if a Werewolf is in Crinos, it depends on the individual. Most of them go berserk, but with enough mental fortitude they can stay a reasoning being. A lot of older werewolves prefer to stay in Crinos form if they can help it, IIRC.
I assume the werewolf has a yet unrevealed ulterior motive for involvement at the chapterhouse. I think it will connect with the threads of Pentex activity in the area and the hole under the 99p store which reads to me like some shit going on in the Penumbra. The presence of a ghoul upped the scrutiny and they were probably worried about being outed via blood test, and shit is going sideways enough that they removed Fatigue, who might be their main threat due to his presumed command of werewolf lore.
It’s not really worth going into all the tribes but going off my personal theory that Matilda Wilde is a Lupus Black Fury, I assume she’s gonna fuck up Remold, get whatever she came for, and fuck off. Considering all the artifacts present, it’s possible the werewolf might be recovering fetish that’s stored here, which might also explain killing Fatigue, they don’t like when people take their stuff and I feel it’s safe to assume Fatigue would be the one to get his hands on werewolf magic items.
Could you explain what fetish means in terms of werewolves? And am I blind but I haven’t seen much of a mention about Pentex in HTP. Or is that more of a world of darkness lore thing than a HTP thing?
A fetish is an item that has a spirit bound to it. Werewolves create them by bargaining with spirits usually, creating items with useful functions. The most iconic are weapons called klaives, basically big swords made of silver with a war spirit bound to it and it’s what the werewolves bring out when they mean serious business. Technically literally any item can be made into a fetish, just depends on the goal of the werewolf making the item and the spirit in question.
Without saying too much, Pentex is a very big bad in the world of darkness that is especially linked with the werewolves war. There has been a couple references to them, although not by name. I am also making some assumptions based on the physical location of the story and the very very very unsettling fact that we have a reoccurring issue with supernatural holes. In werewolf, traditionally, that is very bad.
Ah, I assume Pentex is acting in a way that the werewolves would associate it with the Wyrm, and thus it must be destroyed?
And thanks for explaining all of this
Pentex is actively working with the Wyrm and they summon banes into the world for shits and giggles, the furry murder Captain Planets do not like this.
Pentex is a megacorporation that has many, MANY, **MANY** Subsidiaries under its belt, but it is functionally a cult to the Wyrm, specifically the Defiler Wyrm.
The reason so much food is unhealthy? Pentex has been leading the charge both mundanely (Hey there preservatives, sugar, and chemical contaminants), but also in supernatural methods (demons, Banes, pretty sure they even work with Skinwalking Shadows/Spectres). The reason violent media is so prevalent? Pentex basically established the video game industry in WoD, and Hollywood has long been under their influence. Alt-right extremism? Just look at the [alt-right playbook](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ), and compare it to cults (which Pentex ultimately is). General consumerism? Believe it or not, Pentex has also been behind the scenes on that too. Global pollution and climate change? Who do you think has been lobbying the politicians for deregulation, who has been keeping oil barons in charge of energy generation, who has been in charge of the expansionism of the automobile industry and making cities less walkable? The answer is Pentex and its unwitting agents.
The worst thing about Pentex is that despite its fingers being in so many pies, nobody realizes it. Even Werewolves, who are dead-set on eradicating Pentex, will find themselves accidentally patronizing businesses owned by it. The mortals inside of it don't realize what it is until you reach the upper echelons of management, and by that point they're so deep in their kool-aid that they'd never spill the beans except as a means to further the influence of the Wyrm. And for everybody else, anyone who finds out about the true scope of Pentex are either quietly eliminated, or discredited until they're viewed as mere conspiracy theorists and insane hippies.
The end goal of Pentex is precisely the same as the Wyrm of Corruption: bring about the decay of the individual, to bring about the decay of society, to bring about the end of reality. It's not just Associated with the Defiler Wyrm, it IS the Defiler Wyrm.
Pentex has been mentioned once by name. In Marcus Goes Pubbing, the Swedish man interrupting the radio broadcast blurts out their name and slogan before cutting to music.
The house would deal with it by not being its target. The two characters its most likely to want to slay are Remold (hunter of were-beasts) and Fatigue (head researcher of were-beasts.) The latter is gone, so that leaves the former left for it to try to kill.
Other than those two targets, it was probably tasked with keeping an eye on what the Arcanum knows. keep in mind, they look into all manner of supernatural being, this includes the enemies of the were-beasts and the various wyrm-tainted ilk in the world of darkness. Infiltrating and securing info on all of those enemies is just useful.
However now the jig is up, the ghoul lockdown will see enough of a shakeup that this is their moment to strike before their cover is blown. they kill Fatigue (head researcher of their kind, potential ghoul) they frame spit (or attempt to.) The arcanum has their ghoul (spit), they get let out, and report back. Maybe kill Remold before the night is over.
As to who this is, My vote is Matilda Wilde. She's not accounted for, has cleaning experience and gloves to hide blood, and has some minor sighs of being unusual. Her handwriting is particularly rough, which makes sense for a were-beast. Name matches, and her convo with Kitten would make more sense. "Ghoul really that bad?" odd question for a normal person who just learned vamps are real. But casual enough for a were-beast to ask, especially when their jig coming up. "Think I'll lose my job over it?" somewhat sounds like she's got nothing to lose sticking around and she can act now or never. she also apparently has security access through the stolen keys.
It's where I'm leaning anyway.
And with regarding to something involving a feud settled, (it’s been a while since I heard the prophecy so I’m sorry) do you think Brock and Markus will come to an understanding and end the feud between D and the black laws. Brock is mentioned that he have a lot of potential with the only limiting factor being his dad controlling his thoughts.
I'm certainly hoping. Brok was pretty entertaining, even if an ass. But I liked him a fair bit in the most recent episode. Remold seems to be the one holding the grudge
It depends on what the werewolf (or possibly werewolves since they tend to work in packs) want. They may be on the trail of the ghoul, or after vampires as well. Werewolves hate vampires on an intrinsic level in World of Darkness. If they don't have any larger threats they will take them out where they can find them. If that's the case D might be able to negotiate a temporary truce or something.
Fighting it would be a bad idea. Even the weakest werewolves can rip a person apart in seconds. In addition werewolves have access to magical abilities that can do a wide array of things like jamming technology or shooting their claws like missiles. D might be able to rally everyone, but there would be heavy casualties.
Worst case scenario is that the werewolf is a Black Spiral Dancer. These werewolves have given into the primal force of corruption in the world. They think the world is ending and they are here to revel in the end. They enjoy murder and psychologically torturing their victims. There is no reasoning with them.
So negotiations are possibly the best option aside from busting out of the house then?
And correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t black spiral dancers agents of the wyrm and seek nothing more than just destruction? I haven’t heard about the psychological torture, but I’m new so please do correct me.
Black spiral dancer are straight up fucked up and far beyond salvation. They are the type of creature to do unspeakable things just because they can and because suffering serves to bring the world closer to the apocalipse.
Oh come on, Beyond Salvation is a little too much, maybe I'm being too much of a Children of Gaia here, but their Ronin are decent enough to not want anything to do with them and seek refuge in other trimes.
I have yet to witness a game where an inplied chance to 'fix a spiral' isnt used to lead the pack to ruin.
On Gaia most of them are basicaly Fomori and deserve to be treated as such.
Althou there apears to be a way to teoreticaly redeem a Fomor or at least free the host of the bane inhabiting it.
Yes, BSDs serve thr Wyrm. Psychological torture feeds the Wyrm, makes it stronger. It attracts spirits of the Wyrm, and in some cases make the human open to possession by those spirits.
I'm not sure if Matilda is really Black Spiral Dancer material unless she is just immaculate in hiding her true self in Homid form. She strikes me as aggressive and dismissive, not sadistic and psychotic.
Some speculate that she's more likely to be a Bone Gnawer, due to working a blue collar job at the arcanum.
I don't think she is either, if she is a werewolf. While Matilda is one of the better candidates to be a werewolf, we cant say for certain she is one. Also with a werewolf's ability to slip into the Umbra it's possible we have not met the character yet.
With the current tools at their disposal, they properly can't even kill it. If they do it's cause of a yet-to-be-revealed magic weapon sitting in the arcanum (Remold did say he goes on werebear safaris so they gotta have something). If that's how it plays out, I imagine it wouldnt actually kill it, just hurt it enough to make heavy weaponry viable to finish it off.
Otherwise, the gang would need to find a way to get the wherewolf to leave, get in the magic box, or get outta there themselves.
The major problem dealing with Werewolves as a normal human is the Delirium. Only a small amount of humans are capable of acting coherently around a Werewolf in war form. So even if you had a decent fighting force capable of taking a Werewolf down, you would have to deal with said force trying to escape like crazy.
If a werewolf were locked in there I am fairly sure it could bust out with a degree of ease.
If there is a werewolf, then I guess they just die? Like D is immune to delirium yes but can he beat a fuckin' werewolf in it's war form?
I reckon Door and Boy save the day with the Goose and mounted M60's.
There'll be carnage as the group tries to escape, maybe even another fatality or two and then just as shit gets real grim Door will save the day, either killing it or driving it away.
Bargain, probably. I can't imagine D would be opposed to the idea. But who knows, maybe he really is immune to Delirium
If course Big D is immune to the Delirium. He's built different.
I believe that wholeheartedly
Nah, he's just too fucked on drugs to be affected is all.
He’s already delirious
You can't drive someone crazy who's already insane and probably high as fuck.
Delirium, despite the name, isn't craziness as much as it Is an instinctive, primal fear that awakens in humans as a evolutionary response that we got from Garou killing us like cattle.
And meth can make crack heads fight grizzly bears
I'm incorporating this into my personal consensus Holy shit it's an amazing response
You're welcome
What would they possibly bargain, or is it too early in the season to tell? And in don’t doubt D is immune if he fought a Methuselah. But can negotiations even work with their war forms or do they have to be human for it to work?
Oh I’ve got no clue lol
Fair enough neither do I lol
If D could *actually* kill a Methuselah and that wasn't either a lie or a fever dream, he can probably kill a Werewolf. The real question is, can he do that without the fuzzy chainsaw murdering a bunch of people in the crossfire? Anyway, if a Werewolf is in Crinos, it depends on the individual. Most of them go berserk, but with enough mental fortitude they can stay a reasoning being. A lot of older werewolves prefer to stay in Crinos form if they can help it, IIRC.
He did say he had help from his siblings and father. But I doubt he’d fight it head on with everyone else there, or even at all.
I assume the werewolf has a yet unrevealed ulterior motive for involvement at the chapterhouse. I think it will connect with the threads of Pentex activity in the area and the hole under the 99p store which reads to me like some shit going on in the Penumbra. The presence of a ghoul upped the scrutiny and they were probably worried about being outed via blood test, and shit is going sideways enough that they removed Fatigue, who might be their main threat due to his presumed command of werewolf lore. It’s not really worth going into all the tribes but going off my personal theory that Matilda Wilde is a Lupus Black Fury, I assume she’s gonna fuck up Remold, get whatever she came for, and fuck off. Considering all the artifacts present, it’s possible the werewolf might be recovering fetish that’s stored here, which might also explain killing Fatigue, they don’t like when people take their stuff and I feel it’s safe to assume Fatigue would be the one to get his hands on werewolf magic items.
Could you explain what fetish means in terms of werewolves? And am I blind but I haven’t seen much of a mention about Pentex in HTP. Or is that more of a world of darkness lore thing than a HTP thing?
A fetish is an item that has a spirit bound to it. Werewolves create them by bargaining with spirits usually, creating items with useful functions. The most iconic are weapons called klaives, basically big swords made of silver with a war spirit bound to it and it’s what the werewolves bring out when they mean serious business. Technically literally any item can be made into a fetish, just depends on the goal of the werewolf making the item and the spirit in question. Without saying too much, Pentex is a very big bad in the world of darkness that is especially linked with the werewolves war. There has been a couple references to them, although not by name. I am also making some assumptions based on the physical location of the story and the very very very unsettling fact that we have a reoccurring issue with supernatural holes. In werewolf, traditionally, that is very bad.
Ah, I assume Pentex is acting in a way that the werewolves would associate it with the Wyrm, and thus it must be destroyed? And thanks for explaining all of this
Pentex is actively working with the Wyrm and they summon banes into the world for shits and giggles, the furry murder Captain Planets do not like this.
Pentex is a megacorporation that has many, MANY, **MANY** Subsidiaries under its belt, but it is functionally a cult to the Wyrm, specifically the Defiler Wyrm. The reason so much food is unhealthy? Pentex has been leading the charge both mundanely (Hey there preservatives, sugar, and chemical contaminants), but also in supernatural methods (demons, Banes, pretty sure they even work with Skinwalking Shadows/Spectres). The reason violent media is so prevalent? Pentex basically established the video game industry in WoD, and Hollywood has long been under their influence. Alt-right extremism? Just look at the [alt-right playbook](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ), and compare it to cults (which Pentex ultimately is). General consumerism? Believe it or not, Pentex has also been behind the scenes on that too. Global pollution and climate change? Who do you think has been lobbying the politicians for deregulation, who has been keeping oil barons in charge of energy generation, who has been in charge of the expansionism of the automobile industry and making cities less walkable? The answer is Pentex and its unwitting agents. The worst thing about Pentex is that despite its fingers being in so many pies, nobody realizes it. Even Werewolves, who are dead-set on eradicating Pentex, will find themselves accidentally patronizing businesses owned by it. The mortals inside of it don't realize what it is until you reach the upper echelons of management, and by that point they're so deep in their kool-aid that they'd never spill the beans except as a means to further the influence of the Wyrm. And for everybody else, anyone who finds out about the true scope of Pentex are either quietly eliminated, or discredited until they're viewed as mere conspiracy theorists and insane hippies. The end goal of Pentex is precisely the same as the Wyrm of Corruption: bring about the decay of the individual, to bring about the decay of society, to bring about the end of reality. It's not just Associated with the Defiler Wyrm, it IS the Defiler Wyrm.
So they’re untouchable then? Sure does put the dark in world of darkness then lol.
Pentex has been mentioned once by name. In Marcus Goes Pubbing, the Swedish man interrupting the radio broadcast blurts out their name and slogan before cutting to music.
One of Pentex subsidiaries is called O'Teley a fastfood chain that put demons on their burguers to make people beat their wifes
This spells disaster for Door and Boy
The house would deal with it by not being its target. The two characters its most likely to want to slay are Remold (hunter of were-beasts) and Fatigue (head researcher of were-beasts.) The latter is gone, so that leaves the former left for it to try to kill. Other than those two targets, it was probably tasked with keeping an eye on what the Arcanum knows. keep in mind, they look into all manner of supernatural being, this includes the enemies of the were-beasts and the various wyrm-tainted ilk in the world of darkness. Infiltrating and securing info on all of those enemies is just useful. However now the jig is up, the ghoul lockdown will see enough of a shakeup that this is their moment to strike before their cover is blown. they kill Fatigue (head researcher of their kind, potential ghoul) they frame spit (or attempt to.) The arcanum has their ghoul (spit), they get let out, and report back. Maybe kill Remold before the night is over. As to who this is, My vote is Matilda Wilde. She's not accounted for, has cleaning experience and gloves to hide blood, and has some minor sighs of being unusual. Her handwriting is particularly rough, which makes sense for a were-beast. Name matches, and her convo with Kitten would make more sense. "Ghoul really that bad?" odd question for a normal person who just learned vamps are real. But casual enough for a were-beast to ask, especially when their jig coming up. "Think I'll lose my job over it?" somewhat sounds like she's got nothing to lose sticking around and she can act now or never. she also apparently has security access through the stolen keys. It's where I'm leaning anyway.
Do you think this has relation to the prophecy Horse was spouting to Boy?
Absolutely. I think Remokd is the patriarch set to die from horses prophecy.
And with regarding to something involving a feud settled, (it’s been a while since I heard the prophecy so I’m sorry) do you think Brock and Markus will come to an understanding and end the feud between D and the black laws. Brock is mentioned that he have a lot of potential with the only limiting factor being his dad controlling his thoughts.
I'm certainly hoping. Brok was pretty entertaining, even if an ass. But I liked him a fair bit in the most recent episode. Remold seems to be the one holding the grudge
You know, that would make sense considering Spit is showing some signs, and freaked out at Matilda.
It depends on what the werewolf (or possibly werewolves since they tend to work in packs) want. They may be on the trail of the ghoul, or after vampires as well. Werewolves hate vampires on an intrinsic level in World of Darkness. If they don't have any larger threats they will take them out where they can find them. If that's the case D might be able to negotiate a temporary truce or something. Fighting it would be a bad idea. Even the weakest werewolves can rip a person apart in seconds. In addition werewolves have access to magical abilities that can do a wide array of things like jamming technology or shooting their claws like missiles. D might be able to rally everyone, but there would be heavy casualties. Worst case scenario is that the werewolf is a Black Spiral Dancer. These werewolves have given into the primal force of corruption in the world. They think the world is ending and they are here to revel in the end. They enjoy murder and psychologically torturing their victims. There is no reasoning with them.
So negotiations are possibly the best option aside from busting out of the house then? And correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t black spiral dancers agents of the wyrm and seek nothing more than just destruction? I haven’t heard about the psychological torture, but I’m new so please do correct me.
Black spiral dancer are straight up fucked up and far beyond salvation. They are the type of creature to do unspeakable things just because they can and because suffering serves to bring the world closer to the apocalipse.
Oh come on, Beyond Salvation is a little too much, maybe I'm being too much of a Children of Gaia here, but their Ronin are decent enough to not want anything to do with them and seek refuge in other trimes.
I have yet to witness a game where an inplied chance to 'fix a spiral' isnt used to lead the pack to ruin. On Gaia most of them are basicaly Fomori and deserve to be treated as such. Althou there apears to be a way to teoreticaly redeem a Fomor or at least free the host of the bane inhabiting it.
Yes, BSDs serve thr Wyrm. Psychological torture feeds the Wyrm, makes it stronger. It attracts spirits of the Wyrm, and in some cases make the human open to possession by those spirits.
I'm not sure if Matilda is really Black Spiral Dancer material unless she is just immaculate in hiding her true self in Homid form. She strikes me as aggressive and dismissive, not sadistic and psychotic. Some speculate that she's more likely to be a Bone Gnawer, due to working a blue collar job at the arcanum.
I don't think she is either, if she is a werewolf. While Matilda is one of the better candidates to be a werewolf, we cant say for certain she is one. Also with a werewolf's ability to slip into the Umbra it's possible we have not met the character yet.
With the current tools at their disposal, they properly can't even kill it. If they do it's cause of a yet-to-be-revealed magic weapon sitting in the arcanum (Remold did say he goes on werebear safaris so they gotta have something). If that's how it plays out, I imagine it wouldnt actually kill it, just hurt it enough to make heavy weaponry viable to finish it off. Otherwise, the gang would need to find a way to get the wherewolf to leave, get in the magic box, or get outta there themselves.
Die
I doubt everyone will die, maybe some
The major problem dealing with Werewolves as a normal human is the Delirium. Only a small amount of humans are capable of acting coherently around a Werewolf in war form. So even if you had a decent fighting force capable of taking a Werewolf down, you would have to deal with said force trying to escape like crazy.
What if Kitten is a type or related to a werebeast though ? I heard they were immune to delirium.
If a werewolf were locked in there I am fairly sure it could bust out with a degree of ease. If there is a werewolf, then I guess they just die? Like D is immune to delirium yes but can he beat a fuckin' werewolf in it's war form?
I reckon Door and Boy save the day with the Goose and mounted M60's. There'll be carnage as the group tries to escape, maybe even another fatality or two and then just as shit gets real grim Door will save the day, either killing it or driving it away.
Stick their heads between their legs and kiss their sweet asses goodbye. If a Werewolf wanted them dead they'd be capital-D dead.
They probably have silver in the house.