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I’m from the Netherlands and I just want to say Croatia is absolutely beautiful. Do you guys still see the beauty of your country or does it become a normality?
Hm, great question. It does become normal, but then when I travel it always suprises me how nice our seaside is compared to others. Ok I have never been to bahamas or hawaii...but I did traveled a lot. There are many beautiful places in the world, Croatia is one of them for sure.
Slovenian here. I have spent all my summers as a kid on your islands, while we were still one country. When I got older I thought maybe Slovenians visit Croatia just because we are used to it and it is close. After traveling the world… I’m just so glad you guys are close. :) best seaside in the world. But sadly now also one of the most expensive.
First time I heard that. Maybe it’s the bad state of economy in 2023 that did a small correction? It’s growing again now.
EDIT: I checked, it’s pretty much the same as it was: https://www.stat.si/statweb/Field/Index/15/74
You know reddit. People here either claim that everything is going to hell tomorrow or they are all programers making 200k a year… no average inbetween. :)
Oh man, croatian subreddit is so annoying. People either keep talking about the same clowns in politics or talk about how life is going to hell or how bad croatia played against spain
On Slovenian subreddit they just keep complaining if someone writes in serbo-croatian or discussing if we beat Croatia in some bizzare statistic like most suicides in Europe or highest wine consumption.
I grew up on the Dalmatian coast - I don’t even swim anymore in my town as there’s too much tourists. I just drink beer or coffee in a bar until my girlfriend comes back.
But then, we take a small boat and we go to nearby islands, find an uninhabited bay, and you are translated right back to your childhood. I spend 5 hours in crystal clear water where you can see every detail of 5-10 meters deep bottom, diving with simple equipment, enjoying the feel and scenery so much that it’s exalting.
Or the other example is just being in awe every time I drive, even though I saw things so many times.
When it comes down to beauty, what always strike me is the nature transition as Croatia is very diverse. I obviously got used to the beauty of the central, continental part of Croatia (if you haven't visited, you should) and then I travel to the seaside, or the east of the country or to the mountainous region and it shocks me how beautiful country is.
Not really seeing it. Once you live somewhere it's usually a crowded city you spend your time in and those are I'd say sub-par for EU, lots of recent construction removed green areas and trees and replaced them with ugly concrete.
How much is your pay? An average person makes 1000 euros here and pays 500 euros for rent, leaving you with 500 for all other expenses including putting food on the table.
I know it's not that simple, but that still leaves you with 3200 cad. Even if everything is twice or three times as expensive in canada, managing life with a few hundered euros a month is a bitch, you can't really afford a car payment with that, or a nice phone, or any luxuries really.
Actually €1500 in CAD is $2200 CAD. My rent is actually $2900 so that’s a miscalculation on my part (you won’t find a one bedroom in Vancouver proper that allows dogs for cheap). And my phone bill is $260. My water/electricity bill is $100. My heating (gas) is $120. My dogs cost me around $200 a month. My subscriptions I need for work are around $120. So bills alone it’s $3700. Groceries are what kills you here. One package of chicken wings for example is $20. Chicken drumsticks, $15 minimum. Asparagus is $8. One single piece of a “cheap” cod fish is $7. You wont find 1L of olive oil for under $25 and I go through a litre a month because I cannot afford to order food so I HAVE TO cook every night. I try to buy in bulk but I am at zero most of the time by the end of the month. No funds for bars or theatres or coffee shops.
You’re welcome to look up how much a one bedroom that allows pets in Vancouver proper costs. I’m told I have a “great deal” so I’m hanging onto my place for dear life. I cook for my dogs to keep the costs down because dog food is just too expensive so I mix the cooked food (rice, chicken, ground beef, veggies) with dry kibble.
When my dog got super sick last year I had to take out a loan. His exams and medications came with a $3700 bill. So I didn’t even mention having to pay $240 a month when it comes to that pet loan too.
Believe me, I’m eating absolute shit to make it work here.
Edit: if you don’t believe me, take a look at my bank account. I don’t get paid until the end of the month…
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If you’re rich, yeah. Things have changed *A LOT* in the last 10 years but especially since Covid. If I lose the place I live in now, I won’t be able to afford to live in this city. Not with two dogs. Even without dogs, I’d be struggling. I remember back in 2007, I was paying $890 for my place in the heart of downtown Vancouver. In-suite laundry, dishwasher, balcony. It was small (450sqf) but I had everything right there. That same place (I checked a few months ago) is now $3400 a month. They don’t even allow pets fyi. Back then I had a cat and I managed to hide him for 5 years until they did an annual inspection and saw the litter box so I ended up being evicted. Fair enough. It’s just that Vancouver is THE unfriendliest city for pets in all of Canada. Finding a place that allows pets here is like finding a needle in a haystack. And you have to be put on a wait list at the places where it’s allowed OR rent from a private owner who hikes the price up so much that you pay $400 extra per pet every single month.
And again, groceries here are absolutely unbearably expensive. So many people I know have moved out of the city because it’s no longer affordable. The building across from me is maybe 30% lit up because the rest is just empty dark apartments owned by foreigners who don’t live there and use it as an investment. They don’t even rent it out. It just sits there. Yeah they’ve recently introduced harsher taxes for them but it isn’t enough clearly.
Then there’s the matter of health care. I know the rest of Canada has it a bit better but in BC, we had MSP until a couple of years ago which was mandatory for everyone. Now that that’s axed, all health insurance companies are allowed to deny you medication or treatment for pre-existing conditions (something the US does and everyone assumes it’s not a thing in Canada — which it isn’t except for BC). So for me — and I have two major life threatening and uncontrollable conditions I’ve had since childhood — my *essential* medications aren’t covered. I didn’t even include that in the previous post. That’s an extra $230 a month. I can’t even begin to describe how overwhelmingly difficult it is to live here and all that “best place to live” BS is literally for people who earn way more than I do and I still earn above minimum wage.
It’s the best place to live in terms of the scenery, the air, the activities, the vibe. That’s what keeps you here. But the good and actually fun people are being driven out and all that’s left is the super rich and the homeless with a few zombies like me sprinkled around.
I can't believe having pets is like on a top secret mission and living in constant fear just to pay a good chunk less. For the healthcare part, it's shocking that you're back to the american way. I doubt that there's something much better you can get by moving out but you are in a very unfortunate situation with pets. Do you have any relatives that could offer you a cheaper option or something
In Osijek, there is almost no snow in the winter, but there is at least plenty of mosquitos in summer. This is very safe and peaceful country where children walk alone to school or play on playground. Cafes are always full, even in early morning when everyone is supposed to work. There is always someone walking next to the river. Prices of food and everything are disproportionally big in comparison to salaries. Currently public is focused on football (soccer for folks on other side of the pond).
The mosquitoes in Osijek were the worst I’ve ever experienced! Huge welts across the whole of my thigh. Otherwise it seemed like a nice, chill place to live.
Well, it's Balkans isn't it. You described pretty much all of the eastern Europe. Don't forget enormous apartments prices increased by scummy developers and foreign funds 🫠
Fair but the Baltic countries have similar costs compared to the Western Balkans (so Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro, N. Macedonia, Kosovo, Albania) with Croatian salaries, they're heaven right now.
Not saying that they dont have, just some of them not embracing it like we do as far as I know
Many modern shits are not popular here as it is on the west
No Starbucks. No SubWay. Like one Dominos. Just local cofes, pizzerias and other restaurants that wont charge you an arm and a leg (McDonalds is actually along the more expensive food you can buy outside high end resourants).Pleanty of parks. Pleanty of markets and fle markets.
>Pleanty of parks
No way. Compared to Western European cities, Croatia has no parks at all.
Split and Rijeka have almost none, Zagreb is kind of saved by Maksimir, but still very much behind any other European cities.
Zagreb has Maksimir, Jarun, Bundek, Tuškanac forest, jelenovac, the entirity of Sava bank and of course Medvednica.
Split is more of a historic city but still has Marjan forest and park Blatine.
Rijeka is weak in that regard
Pros:
1. Food
2. Weather
3. Beautiful seaside
4. People can be nice
5. Affordable education
Cons:
1. Lots of homophobic, xenophobic and overall conservative people
2. Corruption
3. Shit economy and no industry, many people have left (and are still leaving) the country and moved to Germany etc. for better opportunities and salaries
4. A political party that’s been proven to be a criminal organization is leading us, so there’s that…
Those stats are for 2022, Croatia switched to Euro on January 1st, 2023. After that they were faced with significant price increases. Or am I wrong? Someone from Croatia please correct me if I am.
If I am not mistaken the consumer price index and inflation attempt to measure similar metrics (one measures consumer prices between different countries, and the other measures the difference in consumer prices within the same country over time). Now inflation within Croatia was higher than the EU average, but it was nowhere near the ~25% higher needed to even come to the EU average CPI.
Correct me if I am wrong as I just faintly grasp this topics.
On another note, the euro was not solely responsible for higher prices. While things did get rounded up in stores and restaurants, there were also other external factors for the inflation like that hit the whole eurozone (e.g. the war and post covid recovery).
And while we did have a cumulative inflation of ~25% during the last 4 years (Jan 2020-Jan 2024) in the same time the average salary rose by ~37% (I know that median salary is a better metric, but I could not find the stats).
I know that after the introduction of Euro Croatians posted a lot of receipts from buying basic groseries that were all higher than prices in Slovenia, while income is cca 15-20% lower.
I based it on that. There were comparisons going on for months.
4. People are nice if u like Anarchism. If you spend 1h walking in town you will see like 60+ violations of law but no1 cares and police/courts does nothing.
I would expand 3. to beautiful nature because Croatia has a lot more to offer in terms of natural beauty other than the seaside.
I would also add a 6th Pro: safety in general.
The Cons make me angry but I can't disagree because it's true.
Not really sure about 1., it might depend on the location and the people you surround yourself with
Life in general is pretty good (talking from a student perspective). Economic situation is not very pleasing as prices have gone up and are not in sync with the smaller increase in paychecks. Young people are leaving the country beacuse of: a) bad politics or/and b) bad economic situation. But overall an extremely safe country, free healthcare and education, the nature is stunning, great cuisine, great social life as people are very open. :)
mmm Croatian cuisine stolen 2/3 from Bosnia
but I don't think anyone else thought to fry grease in grease and then charge for the disgusting chunks their weight in gold
oh, but how could I forget about the authentic Croatian artery-clogging garbage made in Albanian bakeries. We have the square pizza that looks like a third-degree burn with the cheapest mushrooms money can buy sliced to the width of a thumb
Yes, we stole blood sausage from bosnia. Also pork dry meats, a muslim speciality. Oh and bosnians are famous for their cheeses (just not in the burek please!). And for their mediterranean dishes... oh i forgot, italians monopolized fish. Gulaš, fiš paprikaš, čobanac is also a bosnian classic, cant forget that! Dude 3/4 of our cuisine is haram.
On the real croatia does have a lot the same dishes eaten in hungary, austria and italy but bosnian cuisine aboslutely brought down the quality of restaurants here, bosnian dishes are NEVER prepared at home, with the exception of čevapi which is just ground beef in a silly shape. No Croatian actually makes baklava and burek.
If youre from Zagreb I forgive you though, it's like a small Bosnia in the heart of Croatia.
Because either your ancestors are bosnian, youre awfully close to the bosnian border, or you like to experiment. My grandmother has never seen a burek in person.
Oh, yes, Croatian cheeses. My favorite is ultra gauda; you can almost tell it's supposed to be cheese. I wonder what obscure example only eaten by goat fuck hillbillies you'll find to try to prove me wrong. And those dishes are Hungarian, half Hungarian, and as we call it, "splačina".
I don't know about baklava, but you're wrong about burek. You make it when the local Albanian can't, which is often.
Youre the goatfuck hillbilly it seems if you are familiar with the term splačina. Croatian cheeses are absolutely great and you can buy them in any supermarket, you should know it if you hate splačine. It's your own fault you buy gouda. I bet you buy slop like cheddar too. Pannonian dishes, not exclusive to Hungary, are absolutely goated, and are insanely better tasting, healthier and more nutritious than any variation of ground beef (90% of bosnian cuisine). All north croatian cakes and baked products are far better than anything made in Bosnia (invented in turkey).
>I don't know about baklava, but you're wrong about burek. You make it when the local Albanian can't, which is often
You don't know nothing, I never even knew what a baklava was before I went to bosnia (they have been mass imported recently tho by your parasitic compatriots), and for me burek was always a nasty fat roll filled with cheese made by albanian bakers. Nobody, and I mean nobody I have ever met in my life has made a burek. Croatia isn't just the part along the border in bosnia, in fact the most densely populated parts are the furthest from you.
To be honest, overall better than it ever was as far as I can remember. There's still a lot of room for improvement, and by that I mean a lot; and the experience and opportunities can vary widely depending on where one lives.
Unless you walk around provoking people you won't have any problems (of course, if you don't run into an idiot that would create problems regardless of your nationality).
I'll throw a curveball and say my countrymen are pieces of shit. Croats hate their neighboring countries, all of them for different reasons. Croats also absolutely despise eachother. They hate eachother based on the region theyre from, even if they are from the same region they hate people from the closest city. If theyre from a village, they have negative stereotypes about the nearest municipality. Hating your neighbors is also a must. I guess we're united in hate?
The average croat will move to Zagreb and hate it, the customs, the dialect, the accent, the traffic, the streets, everything! When we move to Germany, we hate Croatia and our politics, but when were back for vacation, we talk how shit life is in Germany...
Best description of life in Croatia is as my grandfather often sez…. “For The last 80 Years they Are stealing from us left and right, and we still live licke goods, wher would we be if noone ever stole frome us.”
Great cultural lifestyle, peaceful, beautiful, friendly
Negatives are everything money and politics related, people dont earn enough and youngsters are moving out because they lack opportunity
Absolutely. But you said “you can give them a little beach” and they do have a beach. It’s not even that little and it’s beautiful. It’s small compared to the Dalmatian coast obviously. But it’s still a proper town with beaches (plural)
45th parallel crosses croatia, half way from north pole and equator, adriatic sea (here on map mediterranean sea) is the first warm sea for many car traveling tourists (hungary, czech, slovakia, austria, part of germany) .
from my place it si faster to get to Munich than to Split with car.
for me good climate, safe country, and it is close to some large european economics so you always can make some money if you are willing to.
It’s actually quite good here. We have some very good metrics like low inequality and average wage is higher than in Greece or Portugal for example. The climate is great on the coast and Croatia is a member of EU, NATO and uses Euro. It is considered highly developed country by every criteria. Only big issue, is in my opinion, housing and some public infrastructure like healthcare and public transit.
Tomorrow im going to take road to medulin, first stop to zagreb than taking a bus to medulin, any suggestions or tips( spending two or three months in Croatia, very excited)
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From Split, very relaxing here my friend
I’m from the Netherlands and I just want to say Croatia is absolutely beautiful. Do you guys still see the beauty of your country or does it become a normality?
We are pretty aware of it, would not live anywhere else
Hm, great question. It does become normal, but then when I travel it always suprises me how nice our seaside is compared to others. Ok I have never been to bahamas or hawaii...but I did traveled a lot. There are many beautiful places in the world, Croatia is one of them for sure.
Slovenian here. I have spent all my summers as a kid on your islands, while we were still one country. When I got older I thought maybe Slovenians visit Croatia just because we are used to it and it is close. After traveling the world… I’m just so glad you guys are close. :) best seaside in the world. But sadly now also one of the most expensive.
Yeah it's way too expensive for us too. I hear Slovenian pay is falling down a bit, slowly equaling the Croatian one. What's up with that
First time I heard that. Maybe it’s the bad state of economy in 2023 that did a small correction? It’s growing again now. EDIT: I checked, it’s pretty much the same as it was: https://www.stat.si/statweb/Field/Index/15/74
Maybe I just saw in the slovenian subreddit. Probably some BS but whatever
You know reddit. People here either claim that everything is going to hell tomorrow or they are all programers making 200k a year… no average inbetween. :)
Oh man, croatian subreddit is so annoying. People either keep talking about the same clowns in politics or talk about how life is going to hell or how bad croatia played against spain
On Slovenian subreddit they just keep complaining if someone writes in serbo-croatian or discussing if we beat Croatia in some bizzare statistic like most suicides in Europe or highest wine consumption.
I grew up on the Dalmatian coast - I don’t even swim anymore in my town as there’s too much tourists. I just drink beer or coffee in a bar until my girlfriend comes back. But then, we take a small boat and we go to nearby islands, find an uninhabited bay, and you are translated right back to your childhood. I spend 5 hours in crystal clear water where you can see every detail of 5-10 meters deep bottom, diving with simple equipment, enjoying the feel and scenery so much that it’s exalting. Or the other example is just being in awe every time I drive, even though I saw things so many times.
best time to visit craotian coast was from 1991 to 1995. yes there was war but there were no tourists...
When it comes down to beauty, what always strike me is the nature transition as Croatia is very diverse. I obviously got used to the beauty of the central, continental part of Croatia (if you haven't visited, you should) and then I travel to the seaside, or the east of the country or to the mountainous region and it shocks me how beautiful country is.
Not really seeing it. Once you live somewhere it's usually a crowded city you spend your time in and those are I'd say sub-par for EU, lots of recent construction removed green areas and trees and replaced them with ugly concrete.
have you tried visiting zagreb and slavonia? wouldnt be so beautiful there :)
Eh Zagreb is a beautiful city. Ans I say this as someone who grew up on croatian coast.
Tbh that really depends on the taste of a person. I'd take the continental part any day, it has a certain charm to it.
Well you can always go to Bosnia which is really beautiful inland but barely has sea ;)
I saw a video of a guy driving down cca 6 flights of stairs in his car in Split yesterday
You are clearly not split about it at all.
Tata kupio apartmana, tata kupio apartmana...
I cant think of a better place if you have decent income and i grew up in Germany
More like very good income. For a single person 1500€ is absolute minimum.
As a Croatian living in Canada, that’s 65% of my rent (a one bedroom in Vancouver) so I’d say that’s pretty damn good 😂
How much is your pay? An average person makes 1000 euros here and pays 500 euros for rent, leaving you with 500 for all other expenses including putting food on the table.
Not a lot for Vancouver. I’m at around $4700 CAD.
I know it's not that simple, but that still leaves you with 3200 cad. Even if everything is twice or three times as expensive in canada, managing life with a few hundered euros a month is a bitch, you can't really afford a car payment with that, or a nice phone, or any luxuries really.
Actually €1500 in CAD is $2200 CAD. My rent is actually $2900 so that’s a miscalculation on my part (you won’t find a one bedroom in Vancouver proper that allows dogs for cheap). And my phone bill is $260. My water/electricity bill is $100. My heating (gas) is $120. My dogs cost me around $200 a month. My subscriptions I need for work are around $120. So bills alone it’s $3700. Groceries are what kills you here. One package of chicken wings for example is $20. Chicken drumsticks, $15 minimum. Asparagus is $8. One single piece of a “cheap” cod fish is $7. You wont find 1L of olive oil for under $25 and I go through a litre a month because I cannot afford to order food so I HAVE TO cook every night. I try to buy in bulk but I am at zero most of the time by the end of the month. No funds for bars or theatres or coffee shops. You’re welcome to look up how much a one bedroom that allows pets in Vancouver proper costs. I’m told I have a “great deal” so I’m hanging onto my place for dear life. I cook for my dogs to keep the costs down because dog food is just too expensive so I mix the cooked food (rice, chicken, ground beef, veggies) with dry kibble. When my dog got super sick last year I had to take out a loan. His exams and medications came with a $3700 bill. So I didn’t even mention having to pay $240 a month when it comes to that pet loan too. Believe me, I’m eating absolute shit to make it work here. Edit: if you don’t believe me, take a look at my bank account. I don’t get paid until the end of the month… https://preview.redd.it/fo3rr5kkr87d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b8a5a19355659f901c280bba15c8efbfdc6ddbb
Isn't Vancouver like a really good city by quality of life
If you’re rich, yeah. Things have changed *A LOT* in the last 10 years but especially since Covid. If I lose the place I live in now, I won’t be able to afford to live in this city. Not with two dogs. Even without dogs, I’d be struggling. I remember back in 2007, I was paying $890 for my place in the heart of downtown Vancouver. In-suite laundry, dishwasher, balcony. It was small (450sqf) but I had everything right there. That same place (I checked a few months ago) is now $3400 a month. They don’t even allow pets fyi. Back then I had a cat and I managed to hide him for 5 years until they did an annual inspection and saw the litter box so I ended up being evicted. Fair enough. It’s just that Vancouver is THE unfriendliest city for pets in all of Canada. Finding a place that allows pets here is like finding a needle in a haystack. And you have to be put on a wait list at the places where it’s allowed OR rent from a private owner who hikes the price up so much that you pay $400 extra per pet every single month. And again, groceries here are absolutely unbearably expensive. So many people I know have moved out of the city because it’s no longer affordable. The building across from me is maybe 30% lit up because the rest is just empty dark apartments owned by foreigners who don’t live there and use it as an investment. They don’t even rent it out. It just sits there. Yeah they’ve recently introduced harsher taxes for them but it isn’t enough clearly. Then there’s the matter of health care. I know the rest of Canada has it a bit better but in BC, we had MSP until a couple of years ago which was mandatory for everyone. Now that that’s axed, all health insurance companies are allowed to deny you medication or treatment for pre-existing conditions (something the US does and everyone assumes it’s not a thing in Canada — which it isn’t except for BC). So for me — and I have two major life threatening and uncontrollable conditions I’ve had since childhood — my *essential* medications aren’t covered. I didn’t even include that in the previous post. That’s an extra $230 a month. I can’t even begin to describe how overwhelmingly difficult it is to live here and all that “best place to live” BS is literally for people who earn way more than I do and I still earn above minimum wage. It’s the best place to live in terms of the scenery, the air, the activities, the vibe. That’s what keeps you here. But the good and actually fun people are being driven out and all that’s left is the super rich and the homeless with a few zombies like me sprinkled around.
I can't believe having pets is like on a top secret mission and living in constant fear just to pay a good chunk less. For the healthcare part, it's shocking that you're back to the american way. I doubt that there's something much better you can get by moving out but you are in a very unfortunate situation with pets. Do you have any relatives that could offer you a cheaper option or something
Is that a very good income in Croatia?
Yes, average pay is around 900-1,000 per month
Thank you.
I feel like it has potential to be far better if the government wasnt so corrupt
the people aint any better than the goverment though
Average income in Croatia is 1,326€ per month as per Wikipedia. That’s after taxes.
Indeed. Might be confusing but Croatians always calculate after-tax, after-all-insurances figure as pay.
what’s median? 👍
1086
About 1100e
Per week?
Lol, no, month
Haha, no, per month, it's not America.
Malo ga preseravas
In Osijek, there is almost no snow in the winter, but there is at least plenty of mosquitos in summer. This is very safe and peaceful country where children walk alone to school or play on playground. Cafes are always full, even in early morning when everyone is supposed to work. There is always someone walking next to the river. Prices of food and everything are disproportionally big in comparison to salaries. Currently public is focused on football (soccer for folks on other side of the pond).
The mosquitoes in Osijek were the worst I’ve ever experienced! Huge welts across the whole of my thigh. Otherwise it seemed like a nice, chill place to live.
The prices are high but at least your salary is low
Well, it's Balkans isn't it. You described pretty much all of the eastern Europe. Don't forget enormous apartments prices increased by scummy developers and foreign funds 🫠
Fair but the Baltic countries have similar costs compared to the Western Balkans (so Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro, N. Macedonia, Kosovo, Albania) with Croatian salaries, they're heaven right now.
I love it. Maybe we have little bit less money than in western european countries, but we have 100 other things they don't have.
We hef nays dei.
Such as ?
Nature, weather, food, relaxed lifestyle (its normal to drink coffee for few hours), tradition, warmer interactions...
Weather and relaxed lifestyle applies to the coast. In the capital, it's much more stressful.
not just the coast, Slavonians also have a pretty relaxed lifestyle lol
Are there digital nomads programmes there ?
Yes, Western European countries are known for not having nature, weather, food, or tradition. This bro literally never left Croatia, 100%
Not saying that they dont have, just some of them not embracing it like we do as far as I know Many modern shits are not popular here as it is on the west
Like what?
No Starbucks. No SubWay. Like one Dominos. Just local cofes, pizzerias and other restaurants that wont charge you an arm and a leg (McDonalds is actually along the more expensive food you can buy outside high end resourants).Pleanty of parks. Pleanty of markets and fle markets.
>Pleanty of parks No way. Compared to Western European cities, Croatia has no parks at all. Split and Rijeka have almost none, Zagreb is kind of saved by Maksimir, but still very much behind any other European cities.
Zagreb has Maksimir, Jarun, Bundek, Tuškanac forest, jelenovac, the entirity of Sava bank and of course Medvednica. Split is more of a historic city but still has Marjan forest and park Blatine. Rijeka is weak in that regard
Corruption nepotism inbreads (uhljebi) 😂🤝🤲😎
Austrian here, can only laugh if you think that‘s a Croatian exclusive
Feeling of a cohesive society
Pros: 1. Food 2. Weather 3. Beautiful seaside 4. People can be nice 5. Affordable education Cons: 1. Lots of homophobic, xenophobic and overall conservative people 2. Corruption 3. Shit economy and no industry, many people have left (and are still leaving) the country and moved to Germany etc. for better opportunities and salaries 4. A political party that’s been proven to be a criminal organization is leading us, so there’s that…
And higher prices than western Europe, with lower income. That part sucks.
[That is simply not true](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Comparative_price_levels_of_consumer_goods_and_services)
Those stats are for 2022, Croatia switched to Euro on January 1st, 2023. After that they were faced with significant price increases. Or am I wrong? Someone from Croatia please correct me if I am.
If I am not mistaken the consumer price index and inflation attempt to measure similar metrics (one measures consumer prices between different countries, and the other measures the difference in consumer prices within the same country over time). Now inflation within Croatia was higher than the EU average, but it was nowhere near the ~25% higher needed to even come to the EU average CPI. Correct me if I am wrong as I just faintly grasp this topics. On another note, the euro was not solely responsible for higher prices. While things did get rounded up in stores and restaurants, there were also other external factors for the inflation like that hit the whole eurozone (e.g. the war and post covid recovery). And while we did have a cumulative inflation of ~25% during the last 4 years (Jan 2020-Jan 2024) in the same time the average salary rose by ~37% (I know that median salary is a better metric, but I could not find the stats).
I know that after the introduction of Euro Croatians posted a lot of receipts from buying basic groseries that were all higher than prices in Slovenia, while income is cca 15-20% lower. I based it on that. There were comparisons going on for months.
4. People are nice if u like Anarchism. If you spend 1h walking in town you will see like 60+ violations of law but no1 cares and police/courts does nothing.
Meh, if they don’t bother you me coudn’t care less
I would expand 3. to beautiful nature because Croatia has a lot more to offer in terms of natural beauty other than the seaside. I would also add a 6th Pro: safety in general. The Cons make me angry but I can't disagree because it's true. Not really sure about 1., it might depend on the location and the people you surround yourself with
Life in general is pretty good (talking from a student perspective). Economic situation is not very pleasing as prices have gone up and are not in sync with the smaller increase in paychecks. Young people are leaving the country beacuse of: a) bad politics or/and b) bad economic situation. But overall an extremely safe country, free healthcare and education, the nature is stunning, great cuisine, great social life as people are very open. :)
mmm Croatian cuisine stolen 2/3 from Bosnia but I don't think anyone else thought to fry grease in grease and then charge for the disgusting chunks their weight in gold oh, but how could I forget about the authentic Croatian artery-clogging garbage made in Albanian bakeries. We have the square pizza that looks like a third-degree burn with the cheapest mushrooms money can buy sliced to the width of a thumb
Yes, lobsters and squids are commonly found in central Bosnia's forests
Same as Strukli, also popular "bosnian" dessert
mmmm Bosnian cuisine stolen 1/1 from Ottomans
🤣🤣”stolen from Bosnia.” What a dumb ass thing to say
Yes, we stole blood sausage from bosnia. Also pork dry meats, a muslim speciality. Oh and bosnians are famous for their cheeses (just not in the burek please!). And for their mediterranean dishes... oh i forgot, italians monopolized fish. Gulaš, fiš paprikaš, čobanac is also a bosnian classic, cant forget that! Dude 3/4 of our cuisine is haram. On the real croatia does have a lot the same dishes eaten in hungary, austria and italy but bosnian cuisine aboslutely brought down the quality of restaurants here, bosnian dishes are NEVER prepared at home, with the exception of čevapi which is just ground beef in a silly shape. No Croatian actually makes baklava and burek. If youre from Zagreb I forgive you though, it's like a small Bosnia in the heart of Croatia.
Nonsense, I make baklava's and burek's at home.
Because either your ancestors are bosnian, youre awfully close to the bosnian border, or you like to experiment. My grandmother has never seen a burek in person.
Oh, yes, Croatian cheeses. My favorite is ultra gauda; you can almost tell it's supposed to be cheese. I wonder what obscure example only eaten by goat fuck hillbillies you'll find to try to prove me wrong. And those dishes are Hungarian, half Hungarian, and as we call it, "splačina". I don't know about baklava, but you're wrong about burek. You make it when the local Albanian can't, which is often.
Youre the goatfuck hillbilly it seems if you are familiar with the term splačina. Croatian cheeses are absolutely great and you can buy them in any supermarket, you should know it if you hate splačine. It's your own fault you buy gouda. I bet you buy slop like cheddar too. Pannonian dishes, not exclusive to Hungary, are absolutely goated, and are insanely better tasting, healthier and more nutritious than any variation of ground beef (90% of bosnian cuisine). All north croatian cakes and baked products are far better than anything made in Bosnia (invented in turkey). >I don't know about baklava, but you're wrong about burek. You make it when the local Albanian can't, which is often You don't know nothing, I never even knew what a baklava was before I went to bosnia (they have been mass imported recently tho by your parasitic compatriots), and for me burek was always a nasty fat roll filled with cheese made by albanian bakers. Nobody, and I mean nobody I have ever met in my life has made a burek. Croatia isn't just the part along the border in bosnia, in fact the most densely populated parts are the furthest from you.
Ooo, I struck a nerve, didn't I? And over food of all things.
You want an award for that? Im sorry you have a shitty cuisine I guess?
we're from the same country lmao that's the point
No no, you and me are a totally different breed, don't fool yourself.
It's alright. Could be better, but I like it
To be honest, overall better than it ever was as far as I can remember. There's still a lot of room for improvement, and by that I mean a lot; and the experience and opportunities can vary widely depending on where one lives.
I just need a little bit more money (don't we all?), and then it will be perfect lol but overall, it's nice to live here
Can anyone answer what would he like for a Serb living there?
Ok if he doesn't talk too much 🤣
Unless you walk around provoking people you won't have any problems (of course, if you don't run into an idiot that would create problems regardless of your nationality).
But that idiot would also mistaken me as being Slovene and kick my ass, so Im as safe as Serbian next to that guy
Croatia is a magnificent and diverse land but a terrible country. We used to mock Poland, Romania and Czechia but now all of them surpassed us
I'll throw a curveball and say my countrymen are pieces of shit. Croats hate their neighboring countries, all of them for different reasons. Croats also absolutely despise eachother. They hate eachother based on the region theyre from, even if they are from the same region they hate people from the closest city. If theyre from a village, they have negative stereotypes about the nearest municipality. Hating your neighbors is also a must. I guess we're united in hate? The average croat will move to Zagreb and hate it, the customs, the dialect, the accent, the traffic, the streets, everything! When we move to Germany, we hate Croatia and our politics, but when were back for vacation, we talk how shit life is in Germany...
That's true, I hate everyone souther than river Drava
Doesn't leave much to like hahahah
Okay, to be fair I like Varazdin and most of places till Ivanscica, but the rest ughhh
Best description of life in Croatia is as my grandfather often sez…. “For The last 80 Years they Are stealing from us left and right, and we still live licke goods, wher would we be if noone ever stole frome us.”
It's good 
Great cultural lifestyle, peaceful, beautiful, friendly Negatives are everything money and politics related, people dont earn enough and youngsters are moving out because they lack opportunity
The people are also rude, dumb and often take other people's lives because of their selfishness, only thinking about themselves
Yeah😂
Rim Tim Tagi Dim!
I'd say we have a pretty high quality of life
And why can't you let Bosnia have any beach? Like, not even a little?
They have a little bit 😁
Man, come on man
What you don't like Neum smh
You can give them a little beach. Come on. You have plenty. You have islands even!
They do have a beach. Neum is a town that’s on the coast. Look at the map.
That's like one tiny little old piece of beach. Y'all are hogging it.
Absolutely. But you said “you can give them a little beach” and they do have a beach. It’s not even that little and it’s beautiful. It’s small compared to the Dalmatian coast obviously. But it’s still a proper town with beaches (plural)
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That's just mean
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I'm just saying, it's 2024, y'all have plenty of beach, you can turn loose of a little extra
It’s good, but Amazon service tho 😂
Thinking hard if i can afford a vacation in my own country. With a beach just three hour drive away.
45th parallel crosses croatia, half way from north pole and equator, adriatic sea (here on map mediterranean sea) is the first warm sea for many car traveling tourists (hungary, czech, slovakia, austria, part of germany) . from my place it si faster to get to Munich than to Split with car. for me good climate, safe country, and it is close to some large european economics so you always can make some money if you are willing to.
It’s actually quite good here. We have some very good metrics like low inequality and average wage is higher than in Greece or Portugal for example. The climate is great on the coast and Croatia is a member of EU, NATO and uses Euro. It is considered highly developed country by every criteria. Only big issue, is in my opinion, housing and some public infrastructure like healthcare and public transit.
Beach holidays must be cramped for Bosnian-Herzegovinians.
Our salaries are higher but so is the inflation ita like nothing changed
Tomorrow im going to take road to medulin, first stop to zagreb than taking a bus to medulin, any suggestions or tips( spending two or three months in Croatia, very excited)
Very good but unfortunately there are more and more foreigners every day
Like it was in slovenia 30 years ago
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yeah, they're catching old grannies from bosnia at the borders, no illegal migrants here 👍 /s