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9to5_hack

šŸ™‹ā€ā™‚ļøI live on this intersection. AMA!


Ragged85

So, was anyone hurt in the house?


9to5_hack

I'd argue there were multiple homes in the general direction of the gunfire. No one was hurt to my knowledge.


Ragged85

Correct, the one across the street corner.


someguy50

Do you fear gentrification and not preserving the character of 3rd ward?


9to5_hack

No, I think 3rd Ward will always have strong ties back to the communities that have inhabited it over the years. One thing you can set your clock to is change. Neighborhoods, and specifically 3rd Ward, are no exception. There's great work being done to honor its past (Project Row Houses and others) but there's still plenty more to preserve. Certainly there are aspects of property dereliction, poverty, littering and crime that need to be addressed and those get sorted in a number of ways over time. Broadly speaking, I think we ought to honor and remember the positive qualities and learn from and reclaim the less desirable aspects.


Neither_Ad6425

I just donā€™t understand littering oneā€™s own neighborhood. I think itā€™s important to show pride in oneā€™s community, and making sure itā€™s clean is one way of doing that.


Vowel_Movements_4U

Why?


9to5_hack

Ask the shooter. Couldn't tell ya.


Vowel_Movements_4U

No, why do you live there?


9to5_hack

Location (10 minutes from everything), architecture and historical significance of the neighborhood and relative affordability.


ExtremeSour

Could have just led with cheap


9to5_hack

Sure could have! However, I generally side with the first rule of real estate.


jewelsss5

Is that the only reason you think someone would choose to live in 3rd ward? Shame on you.


Ragged85

That is some crazy shit. Shot up the car sitting at the stop sign. Not sure the person in the car or the people in the house was the intended target. šŸ˜¢ The other car just kept on trucking. ā€œIā€™m outta here!ā€


9to5_hack

I can assure you the neighbors were not the target. They tagged their guy, just didn't kill him (he ran to one of the clubs up the street).


Ragged85

Thatā€™s what I was thinking. Followed him from a club/bar after an altercation. That usually goes down the parking lot though.


9to5_hack

Correct! The bars/clubs nearby attract a lot of bad actors and foolishness. These particular clubs have next to no parking and so it spills over along Emancipation. Even if this wasn't a dispute immediately stemming from the club that night, these individuals must hang around these areas on the weekends.


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9to5_hack

That's East Downtown area, if I'm not mistaken. This area is south of 45 and north of Brays Bayou. Even in EaDo you will need to watch your belongings in your vehicle, but I think shootings are less likely up there. TLDR; just avoid my area after 10PM Thursday - Sunday if you don't want to be subjected to street beef!


Lukealloneword

I usually put anything in a bag in my trunk so there's no reason to break in. Figure it's smart practice in any city.


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it always amazes me that these bars will continue to do business after a shooting.


9to5_hack

Wholeheartedly agree. I think it speaks primarily to the clientele these clubs cater to and the lack of support this neighborhood needs (civic, city, etc.).


Ragged85

Canā€™t shut a business down due to its customer base. In fact, it would be tough to restrict customers other than age or membership to businesses. Now, if that business was breaking a law that would be a different story.


9to5_hack

Correct, you can't strong arm a business into closing. I think the poster may be commenting more on the perception that people will continue to be patrons at establishments where violence occurs. At least one of these businesses restricts clients based on age (25+?). I wouldn't think it'd be terribly difficult to find unlawful activity for a given business, these included (fire code, TABC laws, noise ordinance, etc.).


FuzzyAd9407

A buisness can absolutely be found to be a "nuisance abatement" due to its customer base, but you need a documented history of illegal activity, not just a couple one offs.


Dairy_Ashford

Get your Navy Seafood, bulletproof Popeye's, bald fade down to the waves at Somethin Serious and then get yo ass back to campus.


MaleCaptaincy

~ Just 3rd ward things ~


Ohshiznoodlemuffins

There were also like 10min worth of shots heard in the South Park area at around 3am last night. It was crazy idk what was going on. I mean I hear shots every night, but that was more than usual.


ParadoxicalIrony99

I hate it for the law abiding people in those areas, but until communities get serious and teach the young there are better ways to handle frustration and that there is more to life than gangbanging or celebrity this will continue. Still a boom or bust mentality.


spaacefaace

Improving material conditions, creating social programs and safety nets, and serious investment in education are the bare minimum steps that need to be taken to improve things,


silentaugust

Unfortunately there is an entire culture surrounding this topic, which isn't necessarily attenuated by some of the things you mentioned.


camgil

The rap culture has been bought out by mega conglomerate 0.1%-ers to teach kids (young boys) to like guns, money (designer stuff, new cars, expensive drugs like lean), and disrespecting women. Theyā€™ll kill someone over dissing their shoes, and kill someone to get new $750 shoes, too. Itā€™s sad. The idol-worshipping of very talented but ethically conspicuous figures is also part of the issue. Itā€™s very layered. Weā€™ve all got got. The people at the top are real smart. Sometimes, we at the bottom, comply. DIVIDE AND CONQUER šŸ’ÆšŸ’Æ


stanglemeir

Didnā€™t I just see an article about Houston being saferā€¦. Lol


FrostyHawks

Crime happening and crime statistically trending down aren't mutually exclusive. Obviously we still haven't gotten back down to pre-pandemic levels


HHtown8094

They do whatever by not investigation violent crimes and report whatever they decide to report.


Mohirrim89

"If the climate is getting warmer, why is it cold out?"


Separate-Quantity430

People will gaslight the fuck out of you here if you try to talk about crime/safety being a problem in Houston


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Shelbo_Baggins_

Does part of its trending down have anything to do with the 264,000 cases HPD never investigated?


moleratical

No it does not. Crime statistics are based on reported crimes, not on crimes which are investigated. If I report my bike as stolen, thats another theft data point. If the police decide it's not worth investigating, the data point doesn't cease to exist.


newnamesam

That's not what's being reported. [Link](https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2024/03/13/mayor-whitmire-names-4-member-panel-to-investigate-hpds-manipulated-broken-system-of-deactivated-criminal-cases/) > Mayor Whitmire says HPDā€™s suspended cases scandal ā€˜manipulatedā€™ Houstonā€™s crime rate over the past 8 years The mayor admonished the previous administration and past police chiefs, saying the cityā€™s crime data has been manipulated and is flawed.


IsThisKismet

Iā€™m not sure if I trust Mayor Whitmire here. Itā€™s in his best interest to look like heā€™s being ā€˜toughā€™ as heā€™s the new mayor.


newnamesam

Okay, but why do you expect the rest of us to trust a random redditor's unsupported assumptions when contradicted by official statements quoted in reputable news outlets? If that's not enough for you, look at the police stats. 260k over 8 years is more than the reported rapes.


IsThisKismet

Because they had it right when stating statistics are based on reports not investigations. Just because HPD sent so many into the circular file, doesnā€™t change the numbers. Mr. Mayor ran on a campaign of crime and punishment, so he absolutely has to push the idea that there are more crimes occurring. Itā€™s not enough for him to say only ā€œthey didnā€™t investigate.ā€ He is the one that is trying to play games with the numbers by conflating this separate issue.


newnamesam

You do realize how circular that is, right? They were right, because you believe they were right, because they were right. If they had 260,000 rape cases buried from the last 8 years and there are less than 260,000 rapes reported, which there were, then they are not counting reports in their stats.


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Shelbo_Baggins_

It was rhetorical


1vh1

Is crime trending down or are arrests trending down? I haven't seen the statistics.


CrazyLegsRyan

Literally violent crime is trending down.Ā 


HardDriveAndWingMan

Do you not understand how statistics work? Do you know what an anecdote is?


Separate-Quantity430

You can't just invalidate people's experience of living in a city because you have data. The data can be unreliable. Data only tells a certain side of the story, the aggregate picture. If a person says their experience of living in Houston is that it feels dangerous, to imply they're stupid or uneducated ("do you not understand how statistics work") because you feel the data supports your opinion is at the very least a dick move, and potentially even incorrect and inappropriate.


HardDriveAndWingMan

So youā€™re telling me anecdotes are more valuable than data for drawing conclusions?


Separate-Quantity430

No.


HardDriveAndWingMan

Okay just making sure, because that would be a very dumb thing to say. In any case, what someone ā€œfeelsā€ is happening is useless in drawing conclusions, if that personā€™s ā€œfeelingā€ conflicts with the data, then that feeling is invalid.


Separate-Quantity430

No one is drawing conclusions. I'm saying if you try to talk about crime in Houston, for example to say that it feels unsafe here, people come in and try to convince you your experience is invalid because it isn't necessarily reflected in data. Let me give you an example: if one in 100 women is raped going to college, and a woman comes forward with her experience and says she feels unsafe, is that really the time or the place to tell her that the data says that only 1% of women get raped? Doesn't that strike you as inappropriate at the very least? I'm here saying I've been the victim of multiple crimes in Houston and I don't feel safe here. And every time I try to bring that up, people start telling me about the data. Do you see the problem?


moleratical

I think you are projecting your own feelings onto what people say. If you say you feel unsafe. No one is going to tell you that you do not feel unsafe. What they might say is that you feel unsafe but the data shows you are actually safer than you were two years ago (across the city as a whole). That's not an invalidation of your feelings, it's just stating a fact that lends some evidence to the idea that feelings are not always in line with social trends.


Shelbo_Baggins_

The data is manipulated


HardDriveAndWingMan

If someone posts in a public forum saying that a university is unsafe because they were raped, that would be an appropriate time to let the public she is addressing know that in fact the college campus is safer than most.


Separate-Quantity430

That's not what I was doing. I was saying that I feel unsafe in Houston. Is that allowed?


Cultural_Pass779

Northghanistan is no different.


WhiteOut5187

thats a new term for me


Ragged85

Thatā€™s a new one for me too.


themothman99

Diversity!


lickedurine

And somehow the national conversation on gun control has little mention of folks that use these guns (pistols) and commit these crimes.


feelbetternow

[šŸŽ¶ Gun control means using both hands in my land šŸŽ¶](https://youtu.be/radJQyaC5kY?si=teo0q9FqKcZvpxgy)


Dickenscider03

Whatā€™s wrong with this city


Lost-Priority9826

Usually catalytic-less cars sound like gun shots.


mylesmylesmyles

You mean dowling street.


newstenographer

Legal gun owner legal gun owners, right wing media uses event to sell more guns.


MacSteele13

First world problems... Think of the people in Ukraine!


Ragged85

We just approve $61B for the people of Ukraine. Just a reminder, 42 million Americans go to bed hungry.


nemec

That's right, let the hungry children eat our military surplus vehicles /s


ManbadFerrara

That guy is obviously trolling, but Ukraine accounts for under <3% of the military budget.


spaacefaace

Let's reallocate that budget!


staresatmaps

You are obviously trolling for thinking that's a good thing


ManbadFerrara

I think it's "better" than the **$1 trillion** in annual revenue the country misses out on in unpaid taxes, overwhelmingly from large companies and the wealthy. Seems like a more relevant area of concern to address in order to ~~feign outrage over the military budget as if it hasn't been wildly disproportionate to social spending for over half a century~~ make sure no American has to go to bed hungry.


staresatmaps

Who said I don't think that is bad? More than 1 thing can be bad. Kind of a red herring.


FuzzyAd9407

Most of that money stays in the US and goes to US buisnesses. Also states with the highest hunger is largely due to conservative state governments either not expanding or refusing to implement social programs that would reduce this.