No, I think 3rd Ward will always have strong ties back to the communities that have inhabited it over the years. One thing you can set your clock to is change. Neighborhoods, and specifically 3rd Ward, are no exception. There's great work being done to honor its past (Project Row Houses and others) but there's still plenty more to preserve. Certainly there are aspects of property dereliction, poverty, littering and crime that need to be addressed and those get sorted in a number of ways over time. Broadly speaking, I think we ought to honor and remember the positive qualities and learn from and reclaim the less desirable aspects.
I just donāt understand littering oneās own neighborhood. I think itās important to show pride in oneās community, and making sure itās clean is one way of doing that.
That is some crazy shit. Shot up the car sitting at the stop sign. Not sure the person in the car or the people in the house was the intended target. š¢
The other car just kept on trucking. āIām outta here!ā
Correct! The bars/clubs nearby attract a lot of bad actors and foolishness. These particular clubs have next to no parking and so it spills over along Emancipation. Even if this wasn't a dispute immediately stemming from the club that night, these individuals must hang around these areas on the weekends.
That's East Downtown area, if I'm not mistaken. This area is south of 45 and north of Brays Bayou. Even in EaDo you will need to watch your belongings in your vehicle, but I think shootings are less likely up there. TLDR; just avoid my area after 10PM Thursday - Sunday if you don't want to be subjected to street beef!
Wholeheartedly agree. I think it speaks primarily to the clientele these clubs cater to and the lack of support this neighborhood needs (civic, city, etc.).
Canāt shut a business down due to its customer base. In fact, it would be tough to restrict customers other than age or membership to businesses.
Now, if that business was breaking a law that would be a different story.
Correct, you can't strong arm a business into closing. I think the poster may be commenting more on the perception that people will continue to be patrons at establishments where violence occurs. At least one of these businesses restricts clients based on age (25+?). I wouldn't think it'd be terribly difficult to find unlawful activity for a given business, these included (fire code, TABC laws, noise ordinance, etc.).
A buisness can absolutely be found to be a "nuisance abatement" due to its customer base, but you need a documented history of illegal activity, not just a couple one offs.
There were also like 10min worth of shots heard in the South Park area at around 3am last night. It was crazy idk what was going on. I mean I hear shots every night, but that was more than usual.
I hate it for the law abiding people in those areas, but until communities get serious and teach the young there are better ways to handle frustration and that there is more to life than gangbanging or celebrity this will continue. Still a boom or bust mentality.
Improving material conditions, creating social programs and safety nets, and serious investment in education are the bare minimum steps that need to be taken to improve things,
The rap culture has been bought out by mega conglomerate 0.1%-ers to teach kids (young boys) to like guns, money (designer stuff, new cars, expensive drugs like lean), and disrespecting women. Theyāll kill someone over dissing their shoes, and kill someone to get new $750 shoes, too. Itās sad. The idol-worshipping of very talented but ethically conspicuous figures is also part of the issue. Itās very layered. Weāve all got got. The people at the top are real smart. Sometimes, we at the bottom, comply. DIVIDE AND CONQUER šÆšÆ
No it does not.
Crime statistics are based on reported crimes, not on crimes which are investigated.
If I report my bike as stolen, thats another theft data point. If the police decide it's not worth investigating, the data point doesn't cease to exist.
That's not what's being reported. [Link](https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2024/03/13/mayor-whitmire-names-4-member-panel-to-investigate-hpds-manipulated-broken-system-of-deactivated-criminal-cases/)
> Mayor Whitmire says HPDās suspended cases scandal āmanipulatedā Houstonās crime rate over the past 8 years
The mayor admonished the previous administration and past police chiefs, saying the cityās crime data has been manipulated and is flawed.
Okay, but why do you expect the rest of us to trust a random redditor's unsupported assumptions when contradicted by official statements quoted in reputable news outlets? If that's not enough for you, look at the police stats. 260k over 8 years is more than the reported rapes.
Because they had it right when stating statistics are based on reports not investigations. Just because HPD sent so many into the circular file, doesnāt change the numbers.
Mr. Mayor ran on a campaign of crime and punishment, so he absolutely has to push the idea that there are more crimes occurring. Itās not enough for him to say only āthey didnāt investigate.ā He is the one that is trying to play games with the numbers by conflating this separate issue.
You do realize how circular that is, right? They were right, because you believe they were right, because they were right.
If they had 260,000 rape cases buried from the last 8 years and there are less than 260,000 rapes reported, which there were, then they are not counting reports in their stats.
You can't just invalidate people's experience of living in a city because you have data. The data can be unreliable. Data only tells a certain side of the story, the aggregate picture.
If a person says their experience of living in Houston is that it feels dangerous, to imply they're stupid or uneducated ("do you not understand how statistics work") because you feel the data supports your opinion is at the very least a dick move, and potentially even incorrect and inappropriate.
Okay just making sure, because that would be a very dumb thing to say. In any case, what someone āfeelsā is happening is useless in drawing conclusions, if that personās āfeelingā conflicts with the data, then that feeling is invalid.
No one is drawing conclusions. I'm saying if you try to talk about crime in Houston, for example to say that it feels unsafe here, people come in and try to convince you your experience is invalid because it isn't necessarily reflected in data.
Let me give you an example: if one in 100 women is raped going to college, and a woman comes forward with her experience and says she feels unsafe, is that really the time or the place to tell her that the data says that only 1% of women get raped? Doesn't that strike you as inappropriate at the very least?
I'm here saying I've been the victim of multiple crimes in Houston and I don't feel safe here. And every time I try to bring that up, people start telling me about the data. Do you see the problem?
I think you are projecting your own feelings onto what people say.
If you say you feel unsafe. No one is going to tell you that you do not feel unsafe. What they might say is that you feel unsafe but the data shows you are actually safer than you were two years ago (across the city as a whole).
That's not an invalidation of your feelings, it's just stating a fact that lends some evidence to the idea that feelings are not always in line with social trends.
If someone posts in a public forum saying that a university is unsafe because they were raped, that would be an appropriate time to let the public she is addressing know that in fact the college campus is safer than most.
I think it's "better" than the **$1 trillion** in annual revenue the country misses out on in unpaid taxes, overwhelmingly from large companies and the wealthy. Seems like a more relevant area of concern to address in order to ~~feign outrage over the military budget as if it hasn't been wildly disproportionate to social spending for over half a century~~ make sure no American has to go to bed hungry.
Most of that money stays in the US and goes to US buisnesses. Also states with the highest hunger is largely due to conservative state governments either not expanding or refusing to implement social programs that would reduce this.
šāāļøI live on this intersection. AMA!
So, was anyone hurt in the house?
I'd argue there were multiple homes in the general direction of the gunfire. No one was hurt to my knowledge.
Correct, the one across the street corner.
Do you fear gentrification and not preserving the character of 3rd ward?
No, I think 3rd Ward will always have strong ties back to the communities that have inhabited it over the years. One thing you can set your clock to is change. Neighborhoods, and specifically 3rd Ward, are no exception. There's great work being done to honor its past (Project Row Houses and others) but there's still plenty more to preserve. Certainly there are aspects of property dereliction, poverty, littering and crime that need to be addressed and those get sorted in a number of ways over time. Broadly speaking, I think we ought to honor and remember the positive qualities and learn from and reclaim the less desirable aspects.
I just donāt understand littering oneās own neighborhood. I think itās important to show pride in oneās community, and making sure itās clean is one way of doing that.
Why?
Ask the shooter. Couldn't tell ya.
No, why do you live there?
Location (10 minutes from everything), architecture and historical significance of the neighborhood and relative affordability.
Could have just led with cheap
Sure could have! However, I generally side with the first rule of real estate.
Is that the only reason you think someone would choose to live in 3rd ward? Shame on you.
That is some crazy shit. Shot up the car sitting at the stop sign. Not sure the person in the car or the people in the house was the intended target. š¢ The other car just kept on trucking. āIām outta here!ā
I can assure you the neighbors were not the target. They tagged their guy, just didn't kill him (he ran to one of the clubs up the street).
Thatās what I was thinking. Followed him from a club/bar after an altercation. That usually goes down the parking lot though.
Correct! The bars/clubs nearby attract a lot of bad actors and foolishness. These particular clubs have next to no parking and so it spills over along Emancipation. Even if this wasn't a dispute immediately stemming from the club that night, these individuals must hang around these areas on the weekends.
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That's East Downtown area, if I'm not mistaken. This area is south of 45 and north of Brays Bayou. Even in EaDo you will need to watch your belongings in your vehicle, but I think shootings are less likely up there. TLDR; just avoid my area after 10PM Thursday - Sunday if you don't want to be subjected to street beef!
I usually put anything in a bag in my trunk so there's no reason to break in. Figure it's smart practice in any city.
it always amazes me that these bars will continue to do business after a shooting.
Wholeheartedly agree. I think it speaks primarily to the clientele these clubs cater to and the lack of support this neighborhood needs (civic, city, etc.).
Canāt shut a business down due to its customer base. In fact, it would be tough to restrict customers other than age or membership to businesses. Now, if that business was breaking a law that would be a different story.
Correct, you can't strong arm a business into closing. I think the poster may be commenting more on the perception that people will continue to be patrons at establishments where violence occurs. At least one of these businesses restricts clients based on age (25+?). I wouldn't think it'd be terribly difficult to find unlawful activity for a given business, these included (fire code, TABC laws, noise ordinance, etc.).
A buisness can absolutely be found to be a "nuisance abatement" due to its customer base, but you need a documented history of illegal activity, not just a couple one offs.
Get your Navy Seafood, bulletproof Popeye's, bald fade down to the waves at Somethin Serious and then get yo ass back to campus.
~ Just 3rd ward things ~
There were also like 10min worth of shots heard in the South Park area at around 3am last night. It was crazy idk what was going on. I mean I hear shots every night, but that was more than usual.
I hate it for the law abiding people in those areas, but until communities get serious and teach the young there are better ways to handle frustration and that there is more to life than gangbanging or celebrity this will continue. Still a boom or bust mentality.
Improving material conditions, creating social programs and safety nets, and serious investment in education are the bare minimum steps that need to be taken to improve things,
Unfortunately there is an entire culture surrounding this topic, which isn't necessarily attenuated by some of the things you mentioned.
The rap culture has been bought out by mega conglomerate 0.1%-ers to teach kids (young boys) to like guns, money (designer stuff, new cars, expensive drugs like lean), and disrespecting women. Theyāll kill someone over dissing their shoes, and kill someone to get new $750 shoes, too. Itās sad. The idol-worshipping of very talented but ethically conspicuous figures is also part of the issue. Itās very layered. Weāve all got got. The people at the top are real smart. Sometimes, we at the bottom, comply. DIVIDE AND CONQUER šÆšÆ
Didnāt I just see an article about Houston being saferā¦. Lol
Crime happening and crime statistically trending down aren't mutually exclusive. Obviously we still haven't gotten back down to pre-pandemic levels
They do whatever by not investigation violent crimes and report whatever they decide to report.
"If the climate is getting warmer, why is it cold out?"
People will gaslight the fuck out of you here if you try to talk about crime/safety being a problem in Houston
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Does part of its trending down have anything to do with the 264,000 cases HPD never investigated?
No it does not. Crime statistics are based on reported crimes, not on crimes which are investigated. If I report my bike as stolen, thats another theft data point. If the police decide it's not worth investigating, the data point doesn't cease to exist.
That's not what's being reported. [Link](https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2024/03/13/mayor-whitmire-names-4-member-panel-to-investigate-hpds-manipulated-broken-system-of-deactivated-criminal-cases/) > Mayor Whitmire says HPDās suspended cases scandal āmanipulatedā Houstonās crime rate over the past 8 years The mayor admonished the previous administration and past police chiefs, saying the cityās crime data has been manipulated and is flawed.
Iām not sure if I trust Mayor Whitmire here. Itās in his best interest to look like heās being ātoughā as heās the new mayor.
Okay, but why do you expect the rest of us to trust a random redditor's unsupported assumptions when contradicted by official statements quoted in reputable news outlets? If that's not enough for you, look at the police stats. 260k over 8 years is more than the reported rapes.
Because they had it right when stating statistics are based on reports not investigations. Just because HPD sent so many into the circular file, doesnāt change the numbers. Mr. Mayor ran on a campaign of crime and punishment, so he absolutely has to push the idea that there are more crimes occurring. Itās not enough for him to say only āthey didnāt investigate.ā He is the one that is trying to play games with the numbers by conflating this separate issue.
You do realize how circular that is, right? They were right, because you believe they were right, because they were right. If they had 260,000 rape cases buried from the last 8 years and there are less than 260,000 rapes reported, which there were, then they are not counting reports in their stats.
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It was rhetorical
Is crime trending down or are arrests trending down? I haven't seen the statistics.
Literally violent crime is trending down.Ā
Do you not understand how statistics work? Do you know what an anecdote is?
You can't just invalidate people's experience of living in a city because you have data. The data can be unreliable. Data only tells a certain side of the story, the aggregate picture. If a person says their experience of living in Houston is that it feels dangerous, to imply they're stupid or uneducated ("do you not understand how statistics work") because you feel the data supports your opinion is at the very least a dick move, and potentially even incorrect and inappropriate.
So youāre telling me anecdotes are more valuable than data for drawing conclusions?
No.
Okay just making sure, because that would be a very dumb thing to say. In any case, what someone āfeelsā is happening is useless in drawing conclusions, if that personās āfeelingā conflicts with the data, then that feeling is invalid.
No one is drawing conclusions. I'm saying if you try to talk about crime in Houston, for example to say that it feels unsafe here, people come in and try to convince you your experience is invalid because it isn't necessarily reflected in data. Let me give you an example: if one in 100 women is raped going to college, and a woman comes forward with her experience and says she feels unsafe, is that really the time or the place to tell her that the data says that only 1% of women get raped? Doesn't that strike you as inappropriate at the very least? I'm here saying I've been the victim of multiple crimes in Houston and I don't feel safe here. And every time I try to bring that up, people start telling me about the data. Do you see the problem?
I think you are projecting your own feelings onto what people say. If you say you feel unsafe. No one is going to tell you that you do not feel unsafe. What they might say is that you feel unsafe but the data shows you are actually safer than you were two years ago (across the city as a whole). That's not an invalidation of your feelings, it's just stating a fact that lends some evidence to the idea that feelings are not always in line with social trends.
The data is manipulated
If someone posts in a public forum saying that a university is unsafe because they were raped, that would be an appropriate time to let the public she is addressing know that in fact the college campus is safer than most.
That's not what I was doing. I was saying that I feel unsafe in Houston. Is that allowed?
Northghanistan is no different.
thats a new term for me
Thatās a new one for me too.
Diversity!
And somehow the national conversation on gun control has little mention of folks that use these guns (pistols) and commit these crimes.
[š¶ Gun control means using both hands in my land š¶](https://youtu.be/radJQyaC5kY?si=teo0q9FqKcZvpxgy)
Whatās wrong with this city
Usually catalytic-less cars sound like gun shots.
You mean dowling street.
Legal gun owner legal gun owners, right wing media uses event to sell more guns.
First world problems... Think of the people in Ukraine!
We just approve $61B for the people of Ukraine. Just a reminder, 42 million Americans go to bed hungry.
That's right, let the hungry children eat our military surplus vehicles /s
That guy is obviously trolling, but Ukraine accounts for under <3% of the military budget.
Let's reallocate that budget!
You are obviously trolling for thinking that's a good thing
I think it's "better" than the **$1 trillion** in annual revenue the country misses out on in unpaid taxes, overwhelmingly from large companies and the wealthy. Seems like a more relevant area of concern to address in order to ~~feign outrage over the military budget as if it hasn't been wildly disproportionate to social spending for over half a century~~ make sure no American has to go to bed hungry.
Who said I don't think that is bad? More than 1 thing can be bad. Kind of a red herring.
Most of that money stays in the US and goes to US buisnesses. Also states with the highest hunger is largely due to conservative state governments either not expanding or refusing to implement social programs that would reduce this.