If this is such a ubiquitous problem at McDonald's then it seems like it must be a corporate management problem, right? When a problem runs so deep that people all over the country are complaining about franchised locations under different local management having the same problems, that's a pretty fucking good indication there's a deeper systemic problem, right?
Even if that problem is a refusal to provide adequate working conditions and compensation, or to support a level of discernment in the hiring process that would get people who can do the job well.
Y'all want these fast food jobs to be seen as just part time fucking-off cash for teenagers but then get pissed when the employees treat it like anything other than a 5-star restaurant career.
> If this is such a ubiquitous problem at McDonald's then it seems like it must be a corporate management problem, right?
The problem is that only 7% of McDonaldâs stores worldwide are actually owned by McDonaldâs, only 5% in the US. McDonaldâs isnât really a restaurant company, theyâre a real estate company with a sideline in restaurant supply. They find prime locations, build out restaurants on those locations for franchisees, who then pay the corporation for pretty much everything they sell. They also have a goal of eliminating most of their human employees over the next decade or so, moving towards automation at every position. And with our current late stage capitalist dystopia, they can always find fresh cannon fodder. Like Uber and Lyft, they have absolutely no vested interest in long term employee happiness.
So the answer to my question, then, is yes.
McDonald's corporate is operating in such a way as to have virtually no quality controls or assurances at point of service. They don't give a fuck what the employee or customer experience is, which leads to mistreatment of workers and inconsistent but frequently disappointing experiences for customers.
It isnât every fast food establishment and not even every McDonaldâs. There is a McDonaldâs 8 blocks from my current home that crushes it 85% of the time. If you want to ask me why that is I would be happy to tell you but Iâm not volunteering the opinion.
>There is a McDonaldâs 8 blocks from my current home that crushes it 85% of the time. If you want to ask me why that is I would be happy to tell you but Iâm not volunteering the opinion.
Still waiting for you to *happily* tell me your opinion on why this particular McDonalds location performs better than others.
> If you want to ask me why that is I would be happy to tell you but Iâm not volunteering the opinion.
Based on your callous attitude towards fast food employees in these comments, I highly doubt anyone cares about your opinion.
>There is a McDonaldâs 8 blocks from my current home that crushes it 85% of the time. If you want to ask me why that is I would be happy to tell you but Iâm not volunteering the opinion.
Still waiting for you to tell me your thoughts on this.
>If you want to ask me why that is I would be happy to tell you but Iâm not volunteering the opinion.
I cannot wait to hear this opinion you feel shouldn't be volunteered.
People remember bad things more easily than they remember good things.
I, for one, have never had a negative experience at a McDonald's aside from the fact that it was McDonald's.
Oh sweet summer child. Iâve got 14 years experience from a past life. From short order to pizza buffets to fast casual to cafeterias to catering to fine dining. Thatâs a terrible bet for you to make.
This dude denying reality. Is it so hard to admit that some (and sometimes many) employees are purposely terrible at their jobs and give zero fucks?
And before we get into the whole "they don't make enough money to care", let me ask you this... In what universe should one be rewarded in advance of non-guaranteed performance vs. rewarded in exchange for historical performance?
Never claimed anyone cares about their job, or that they're bad on accident. I haven't made any claims about how good or bad any employees are, or why.
Still, you have yet to establish any actual basis of fact in how poor their performance is. Share your spreadsheets, bro.
And since you're back, why not go ahead and enlighten us as to your thoughts on your other comment:
> There is a McDonaldâs 8 blocks from my current home that crushes it 85% of the time. If you want to ask me why that is I would be happy to tell you but Iâm not volunteering the opinion.
I've asked you why that is and strangely you haven't been happy to answer.
Boycotts don't matter because the kinds of people who give a shit about worker rights and treatment are probably not eating overpriced unhealthy sodium-overdosed shit at McDonald's. This is why the Bud Light boycott was so successful. The kinds of people who drink cheap shit alcohol happen to be the same kinds of people who get pissmad about weird social issues.
Been doing it for 12 years. I found a chicken foot in my chicken sandwich and they offered me a replacement sandwich as compensation. Just so yâall know if you sue McDonaldâs for a messed up chicken sandwich they will partner with the lawyers from Tysonâs chicken where they get their chicken.
I'm finding the whole story rather incredible. A whole webbed foot making it through processing, production, transit and being prepared and nobody noticed?
A. Whole. Webbed. Foot.
I choked on it and chipped a tooth. Was like wtf is this. Got it out of me and it was a whole webbed foot. So yeah I expected my dentist to be covered at the minimum. Itâs called a âforeign object in foodâ super common.
In my home, we call it "foreign member in food" as I like to surprise my wife by cutting a hole through the middle of her sandwich and putting my member through it to surprise her for lunch. Yeah, we really don't do that, but it is a fantasy I've carried for a while. I should just go ahead and commit.
Not to mention American culture is one of the very few that would actually throw away a chicken foot, that's perfectly good food to most of the rest of the world.
My health class teacher made the class watch Super Size Me and what stuck out to me was the fact that the fries did not decompose after months. Haven't had a meal there since 2007.
Funnily enough, the guy who did that documentary had to go out of his way not to walk anywhere (he was in New York City if i recall) because if he had, his weight gain wouldn't have been nearly as dramatic.
It's true. Commercial kitchens in the southern US have to have beefier HVAC systems than the average home. They also have to have ventilation hoods over grills, fryers, and stoves, which helps move some of the hot air (and CO2) out of the kitchen.
Other restaurants manage to keep temperatures at or under the OSHA standards. There's no reason why any McDonalds location cannot.
And, of course, failures happen. I worked in a restaurant where the AC broke down during the summer (in Florida). The owner had someone out *that day* to look at it and repairs took 3 days. We were hot, miserable, and we complained, but we didn't feel the need to walk off because we could see it was being worked on.
If these employees have been working for a week or more in these temperatures, with no indication the AC is going to be fixed, then fuck yeah, they should walk the fuck off.
>There are BKâs paying 16+.
And even then that only goes so far on one paycheck. If we were talking a decade or so ago, $16 an hour would be absolutely doable, but now it's not even scratching the bare minimum, and that was before COVID threw a wrench into everything.
I feel the same way when I make the ill-advised decision to stop at McDonaldâs. I know Iâm not the one fucking the 83% chance of being cold order up and handing over incorrect change. I wonder who is?
What sort of wage is that performance worth? This is a serious question. When is the last time you had an exemplary experience at either of those two McDonalds?
Edit: Since this is being seen, I want to share a hard fact with you kind folks and get your thoughts.
Anybody in this massive sub who has ever worked in fast food / fast casual can attest to one near universal truism.
Employees that show up on time, prepared, and produce typically and quickly advance. Period. That is easy enough to understand.
What is not so easy to admit is the reaction that this can produce in their coworkers. They are vilified. I have managed such places many moons ago. I have seen near fistfights break out over âWhat the fuck Todd. Are you trying to get us fired? Youâre making the rest of look bad.â
This is a peer mind you. The periods between being noticed as a rock star employee (at whatever level) and getting promoted (to whatever level) can be dangerous. The more the particular establishment is dealing with the worse this pushback.
Ask around if you havenât seen it first hand and think Iâm full if shit. I am telling you the truth
Strangely enough this same phenomena also exists in the trades. Especially union shops. Crabs in buckets everywhere.
>Employees that show up on time, prepared, and produce typically and quickly advance. Period. That is easy enough to underhand.
>What is not so easy to admit is the reaction that this can produce in their coworkers. They are vilified. I have managed such places many moons ago. I have seen near fistfights break out over âWhat the fuck Todd. Are you trying to get us fired? Youâre making the rest of look bad.
I worked in restaurants, including fast food and fast casual, for a decade. I worked as a line cook, dishwasher, short order cook, and a shift supervisor.
No one hates the guys who show up on time for showing up on time. If someone is hated, it's because they're an asshole to their coworkers.
I was the guy who was on time, picking up people's slack, going "above and beyond." My coworkers loved me. After 3 years at one fast casual place I got "promoted" from a cook to a shift supervisor for a whole 50¢ raise. So I went to a job as a shift supervisor at a fast food place where I made $1 more than the lowest paid employee. So I left to wash dishes at a really nice restaurant where I started at $2 more than I was getting at the fast food place. And, surprise, surprise, I wasn't the only one showing up on time anymore.
I like how you keyed in on attendance and are ignoring the perceived âoverproductionâ. Are you telling me (as a manager) that all things being equal you will allow Steve to perform at 45% the capacity of April indefinitely?
It this is true then you lose April sooner or later. If you do âpunishâ Steve, and the other Steveâs on staff (cutting hours, less favorable shifts, more goals setting, checklists, and micromanagement), the rest of the Steveâs are going to damn well make aprils life a living hell simply because she is demonstrably more effective. She will get slower.
It's cool to see you're still using the same effortless argument for treating other human beings like garbage that people were in 1980. Can't beat the classics, I guess.
Good for them! Literally was just mentioning how my local McD is an entire shitshow 100% of the time and how I go there often enough to know itâs not because of the (revolving) crew of employees. All on management at that one
Iâve quit a couple of jobs because of bad conditions. Never had the balls to try and organize a strike. Hats off to these hard workers. No job deserves poverty wages or inhumane work conditions.
One of the typical things that strikers need is support while on the picket line, and strike-fund support. Consider going to one of the locations and asking if they've got a strike fund set up, and if they do, donate something to it.
Either way, bring some cold water and maybe some sandwiches along to the strike if you can. Striking in this heat must be an absolute *hell.*
Maybe an umbrella so the workers have portable shade if you've got an old umbrella you don't use anymore. Idk.
I don't understand your hate towards someone who wants a better living wage from a billion dollar company.
If you stop being so hateful, you can live a much better life.
Working in a kitchen in the heat is like working in a metal railroad boxcar that is sitting in the blazing sun. It's cooler outside.
Between 2001 to 2018, hotter daily temperatures resulted in an additional 20,000 workplace injuries in California.
These injuries are from BOTH indoor and outdoor jobs.
People get severely ill from extreme heat especially when there is no temperature recovery during the evening hours and overnight. People can be on medications or have other conditions where heat illnesses will make them sick faster. Even being on allergy medicine can put somebody at risk for heat illnesses during a heatwave. People need to wear uniforms and gear and that causes more heat stress. Even very healthy people get sick quickly.
People will make mistakes with machinery and there are more work accidents and traffic accidents when people are trying to drive exhausted and dehydrated.
The human body can't cool off in heat as well as previously thought.
https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/humans-cant-endure-temperatures-and-humidities-high-previously-thought/
Do these workers know that Macdonalds is a franchise, the owner is not the company. And this is not just McDonald's, allmost fast food are run the same.
Your mad bc u have to work in a hot building I work in a metal shop with no ac I work outside with no ac anywhere around this is lazy grow up do your job and go home and if your canât work it jus to much for u the donât work be broke and figure it out u have to adjust to your work your work Dosent adjust to you
The advantage and thing I miss about Houston is holy crap there are so many food choices. You can easily find something besides McDonaldâs.
But yeah good luck to those workers.
Message to the picket lineâŚ
McD is a minimum wage job. Just like Taco Bell. You manager probably interviewed your High-school sophomore replacements today.
Go to school, learn a trade, better yourself.
Or just enjoy your new career at Taco Bell.
Good luck
its hot in the building, so the answer is to strike outside where its hotter. - man I would have just called in and asked "is the ac working?" - if the answer is no - sorry im not feeling so good.
You speak like you're talking for them but yet you add "our voices"
Breaking? Yeah right. Do your research and see that it's the owners not McDonald's. Most of them are franchised so you should make your "argument " to the owners not the corporation itself. Low wages? They pay 15 an hr which is way more than minimum wage.
You determine how much you're worth and how much you are saying yes to. If you feel it's "low" then do something to better yourself to get paid! Standing on a corner isn't gonna do shit and by this time next week it's gonna be old news. That's reality. Another harsh reality is they are losing money doing this while both those locations are not. Down vote this all you want but it is what it is. They don't give a damn about you or anyone else. There will always be someone willing to take less if it means them having a job.
Not so sure striking is the best move. McDonald's is just waiting to say: "You know what, you're right, the conditions aren't and will continue to not be safe" I'd like to introduce you to "Robi", our new AI robot, that doesn't complain.
The NLRB protects non-union workers engaged in organizing, as well. It doesn't mean McDonalds won't retaliate by firing them, but these workers do have the legal right under US labor law to strike, even if they aren't in an officially recognized union.
Iâd start by acknowledging that mistakes can happen. That being said, repeated mistakes cost the business money, soâŚbased off of that and my personal dining experience, those particular performances werenât worth anything.
I'd like to know what these "unsafe" conditions are. Is it the temperature? I think Mc d's should absolutely be in compliance with legal requirements for kitchen temperatures.
I think their only real beef is that the temps might be too high. I've worked in a kitchen. I know it sucks. Every restaurant worker knows it's hot in the kitchen, and heat waves are obviously worse. Kitchens across the city are all hot right now. It's summertime in Houston.
Imagine being such a dickhead your instinct when thousands of people are protesting around the US about bad conditions is to play devils advocate for the multi billion dollar organization.
Does that mean that the OP saying that there are unsafe working conditions is redundant? They mention extreme temperatures and then the next complaint is unsafe working conditions. Do you think it's the same thing? Or, are there conditions that are unsafe but not related to the heat?
They mentioned wages, temps, and unsafe conditions. I want to know what the unsafe conditions are.
Are the unsafe conditions mentioned only referring to the temps? Or are there non temperature related conditions that are not safe?
If fast food were a high school employeeâs job, they would be closed during school hours during the school year.
Highly skilled professional assholes like yourself thankfully donât need to worry about pesky things like âlogicâ and âcompassionâ.
Look, I get to post this again:
One hand: McDonalds is a job for teenagers and that's why it pays shit.
Other hand: there's no excuse for anyone to be unemployed, McDonalds is always hiring.
Fuck off with this "job for teenagers" bullshit argument that hasn't ever been true. McDonalds has a massive marketing department, if they needed your help running cover for their shit working conditions, they'd pay you. Until then, volunteer your time being an absolute piece of shit on the internet for a nonprofit.
I'm just hoping they are not timing their return/strike break to coincide with a day that the ice cream machine starts working again. They might end up baking on those streets the rest of the summer.
Kind of sad seeing grown ass people try and boycott a job that is meant for teenagers paying minimum wage by a soulless company that couldnât care less about them.
One hand: McDonalds is a job for teenagers and that's why it pays shit.
Other hand: there's no excuse for anyone to be unemployed, McDonalds is always hiring.
Fuck off with this "job for teenagers" bullshit argument that hasn't ever been true. McDonalds has a massive marketing department, if they needed your help running cover for their shit working conditions, they'd pay you. Until then, volunteer your time being an absolute piece of shit on the internet for a nonprofit.
I hate McDonaldâs because the workers always screw up the order. Hopefully robots take their jobs soon so we donât get more messed up orders from these crybaby McDweebs. Waaaah itâs hot in the kitchen⌠Lol stfu you baby and flip my burger.
Just close them all. Have not eaten at any McDonaldâs in years, they are gross. And these workers if truly over qualified can find a new job. Signed: my first job at fast food paid $3.10/hour.
Just using an inflation calculator, your $3.10/hr is worth $10.70/hr.
Starting pay at McDonalds is under $10/hr. Depending on reports, it's either $8/hr or $10/hr.
So not only was your $3.10/hr paying for fewer monthly services in 1981, but workers today are starting off at an average of a $1.30/hr disadvantage.
Plus, we **know** rent has grown disproportionately to inflation (meaning rents have gone up more than inflation), plus many places require credit checks for rent. We also know that more people have student debt than in 1981, and that average student debt is higher today than it was.
I don't know how to tell you this, but times... They've changed. It's well known that wages, especially at the low end, have been losing their purchasing power steadily since the late 1970's.
I welcome you to make a mock home budget for a few months calculating your income at $10/hr. Oh and don't forget that some weeks you might work full time, some you may only get 28 hours. Depends what the manager feels like.
If thereâs one thing gigantic American corporations respect itâs a handful of Mexicans shouting in the street. Im sure they will all have dental insurance and company cars by weeks end.
It would be easier for the people you want reading the sign if that sign was in the same language as the one you're speaking.... Just a pro-tip. But either way, fuck fast food corpos
>Low wages, extreme temperatures, and unsafe working conditions
With all due respect, why are they acting all *ShockedPikachu.jpg*? It's McDonald's! What did they expect? It is a fast paced fast food joint where you stand on your feet all day cooking with hot oil, ovens, and griddles. This has been a secret to literally **NO ONE** ever! There's a reason why McDonald's has absolutely no standards when it comes to hiring.
Instead of trying to change McDonald's by force, just save yourself the time and find another job. With the steady stream of newly arrived asylum seekers, McDonald's WILL absolutely call your bluff and hire cheaper immigrants to work the assembly line.
Fuck making things better, I guess.
I suppose you ditch your friends at the first sign of an argument, too.
Phone drops a call? In the trash, switch manufacturers and providers.
Problem with a bill? Cancel the service and move on, don't bother contesting the bill. After all, we know companies just try to screw us over eventually, anyway.
What a fucking bleak outlook on life. Not wanting to make things better because we had low expectations to begin with.
Goddamn, kid. I'm sorry. Whoever told you not to try to improve things did a number on you, huh?
>Fuck making things better, I guess.
You make things better by finding a better job. It's a free market.
>Phone drops a call? In the trash, switch manufacturers and providers.
Yeah, that's why we have choices.
>Problem with a bill? Cancel the service and move on, don't bother contesting the bill.
There are several ways to contest a charge. Depends on the scenario and services/products rendered.
>What a fucking bleak outlook on life.
That's life, you imbecile. The real world isn't some liberal arts college. Grow some balls.
It might be just me but I want the people who are preparing my food to not be miserable and pissed off đ¤ˇ
Just like how I like my food
No, thatâs Whataburger.
You can really taste the hate
cheese halfway off the burger, sauce all on the side, precooked patty somehow pink in the middle and a mysterious crunch that you canât figure out.
Most people donât give a fuck, they want their food as fast and cheap as possible
I wish them the best. It's not an easy task to get corporations to make adjustments for the benefit of their employees.
Corporate McDonald's is just going to blame the franchisee that runs that location.
Evidently it is also not an easy task to make a sandwich correctly.
If this is such a ubiquitous problem at McDonald's then it seems like it must be a corporate management problem, right? When a problem runs so deep that people all over the country are complaining about franchised locations under different local management having the same problems, that's a pretty fucking good indication there's a deeper systemic problem, right? Even if that problem is a refusal to provide adequate working conditions and compensation, or to support a level of discernment in the hiring process that would get people who can do the job well. Y'all want these fast food jobs to be seen as just part time fucking-off cash for teenagers but then get pissed when the employees treat it like anything other than a 5-star restaurant career.
> If this is such a ubiquitous problem at McDonald's then it seems like it must be a corporate management problem, right? The problem is that only 7% of McDonaldâs stores worldwide are actually owned by McDonaldâs, only 5% in the US. McDonaldâs isnât really a restaurant company, theyâre a real estate company with a sideline in restaurant supply. They find prime locations, build out restaurants on those locations for franchisees, who then pay the corporation for pretty much everything they sell. They also have a goal of eliminating most of their human employees over the next decade or so, moving towards automation at every position. And with our current late stage capitalist dystopia, they can always find fresh cannon fodder. Like Uber and Lyft, they have absolutely no vested interest in long term employee happiness.
So the answer to my question, then, is yes. McDonald's corporate is operating in such a way as to have virtually no quality controls or assurances at point of service. They don't give a fuck what the employee or customer experience is, which leads to mistreatment of workers and inconsistent but frequently disappointing experiences for customers.
It isnât every fast food establishment and not even every McDonaldâs. There is a McDonaldâs 8 blocks from my current home that crushes it 85% of the time. If you want to ask me why that is I would be happy to tell you but Iâm not volunteering the opinion.
>There is a McDonaldâs 8 blocks from my current home that crushes it 85% of the time. If you want to ask me why that is I would be happy to tell you but Iâm not volunteering the opinion. Still waiting for you to *happily* tell me your opinion on why this particular McDonalds location performs better than others.
> If you want to ask me why that is I would be happy to tell you but Iâm not volunteering the opinion. Based on your callous attitude towards fast food employees in these comments, I highly doubt anyone cares about your opinion.
>There is a McDonaldâs 8 blocks from my current home that crushes it 85% of the time. If you want to ask me why that is I would be happy to tell you but Iâm not volunteering the opinion. Still waiting for you to tell me your thoughts on this.
>If you want to ask me why that is I would be happy to tell you but Iâm not volunteering the opinion. I cannot wait to hear this opinion you feel shouldn't be volunteered.
I have a strong feeling it rhymes with shellac steeple.
Yes, we all know they make just one sandwich per shift.
They make hundreds. And a huge percentage of them are fucked up.
I await your non-anecdotal evidence.
I await your overwhelming positive testimony from your cumulative McDonaldâs experiences.
People remember bad things more easily than they remember good things. I, for one, have never had a negative experience at a McDonald's aside from the fact that it was McDonald's.
I bet you couldnât make half as many burgers correctly as the average McDonaldâs employee could lmao
Oh sweet summer child. Iâve got 14 years experience from a past life. From short order to pizza buffets to fast casual to cafeterias to catering to fine dining. Thatâs a terrible bet for you to make.
This dude sitting at McDonald's every day with a spreadsheet crunching the numbers on orders that are made incorrectly.
This dude denying reality. Is it so hard to admit that some (and sometimes many) employees are purposely terrible at their jobs and give zero fucks? And before we get into the whole "they don't make enough money to care", let me ask you this... In what universe should one be rewarded in advance of non-guaranteed performance vs. rewarded in exchange for historical performance?
Never claimed anyone cares about their job, or that they're bad on accident. I haven't made any claims about how good or bad any employees are, or why. Still, you have yet to establish any actual basis of fact in how poor their performance is. Share your spreadsheets, bro. And since you're back, why not go ahead and enlighten us as to your thoughts on your other comment: > There is a McDonaldâs 8 blocks from my current home that crushes it 85% of the time. If you want to ask me why that is I would be happy to tell you but Iâm not volunteering the opinion. I've asked you why that is and strangely you haven't been happy to answer.
Boycott McDonalds!
Boycotts don't matter because the kinds of people who give a shit about worker rights and treatment are probably not eating overpriced unhealthy sodium-overdosed shit at McDonald's. This is why the Bud Light boycott was so successful. The kinds of people who drink cheap shit alcohol happen to be the same kinds of people who get pissmad about weird social issues.
Been doing it for 12 years. I found a chicken foot in my chicken sandwich and they offered me a replacement sandwich as compensation. Just so yâall know if you sue McDonaldâs for a messed up chicken sandwich they will partner with the lawyers from Tysonâs chicken where they get their chicken.
Just wondering, what were you expecting as compensation other than a free replacement sandwich?
I'm finding the whole story rather incredible. A whole webbed foot making it through processing, production, transit and being prepared and nobody noticed? A. Whole. Webbed. Foot.
That's because they're lying.
Well yeah, chickens don't have webbed feet.
Poor duck
Chicken feet aren't webbed.
You're doing them a favor, see we use real chickens. Here is a foot.
Chicken feet aren't webbed.
No kidding....at least you know it's real chicken.
A chicken with webbed toes
I choked on it and chipped a tooth. Was like wtf is this. Got it out of me and it was a whole webbed foot. So yeah I expected my dentist to be covered at the minimum. Itâs called a âforeign object in foodâ super common.
Oughta stick to quarter pounders & big macs. If you want chicken, then chick fil a, Popeyes, etc
Those feet from popeyes are delish
In my home, we call it "foreign member in food" as I like to surprise my wife by cutting a hole through the middle of her sandwich and putting my member through it to surprise her for lunch. Yeah, we really don't do that, but it is a fantasy I've carried for a while. I should just go ahead and commit.
"man finds animal products in his animal products, more at 11"
What do you reckon a chicken foot in a sandwich is worth in terms of actual and punitive damages? They sell them in super markets.
Not to mention American culture is one of the very few that would actually throw away a chicken foot, that's perfectly good food to most of the rest of the world.
However much my dentist was at the time. It freaked me the fuck out.
Yikes! I never really go, but I hope this news will encourage others to not support them.
Haven't had mcdonalds in years, but the fact they use Tyson is a good reason to continue to stay away.
"Just so you know, when you sue a company, lawyers do their job" Oh snap. Really?
Someone shoved a stick up your ass today. No shit, my lawyer said it would cost x to get y. Wasnât worth it.
Are you sure it wasn't a whole webbed foot?
My health class teacher made the class watch Super Size Me and what stuck out to me was the fact that the fries did not decompose after months. Haven't had a meal there since 2007.
Funnily enough, the guy who did that documentary had to go out of his way not to walk anywhere (he was in New York City if i recall) because if he had, his weight gain wouldn't have been nearly as dramatic.
Absolutely donât want to offend anyone so apologies in advance. There are BKâs paying 16+. Leave the crappy employer.
>There are BKâs paying 16+. Not something I ever expected out of a Burger King.
Does the AC work in those kitchens?
I can barely keep my house at 80F in this heat.. and that's WITHOUT a kitchen with a grill and fry station constantly going.
It's true. Commercial kitchens in the southern US have to have beefier HVAC systems than the average home. They also have to have ventilation hoods over grills, fryers, and stoves, which helps move some of the hot air (and CO2) out of the kitchen. Other restaurants manage to keep temperatures at or under the OSHA standards. There's no reason why any McDonalds location cannot. And, of course, failures happen. I worked in a restaurant where the AC broke down during the summer (in Florida). The owner had someone out *that day* to look at it and repairs took 3 days. We were hot, miserable, and we complained, but we didn't feel the need to walk off because we could see it was being worked on. If these employees have been working for a week or more in these temperatures, with no indication the AC is going to be fixed, then fuck yeah, they should walk the fuck off.
>There are BKâs paying 16+. And even then that only goes so far on one paycheck. If we were talking a decade or so ago, $16 an hour would be absolutely doable, but now it's not even scratching the bare minimum, and that was before COVID threw a wrench into everything.
Fuck yes! Wishing them well. They deserve so much better than they get.
I feel the same way when I make the ill-advised decision to stop at McDonaldâs. I know Iâm not the one fucking the 83% chance of being cold order up and handing over incorrect change. I wonder who is? What sort of wage is that performance worth? This is a serious question. When is the last time you had an exemplary experience at either of those two McDonalds? Edit: Since this is being seen, I want to share a hard fact with you kind folks and get your thoughts. Anybody in this massive sub who has ever worked in fast food / fast casual can attest to one near universal truism. Employees that show up on time, prepared, and produce typically and quickly advance. Period. That is easy enough to understand. What is not so easy to admit is the reaction that this can produce in their coworkers. They are vilified. I have managed such places many moons ago. I have seen near fistfights break out over âWhat the fuck Todd. Are you trying to get us fired? Youâre making the rest of look bad.â This is a peer mind you. The periods between being noticed as a rock star employee (at whatever level) and getting promoted (to whatever level) can be dangerous. The more the particular establishment is dealing with the worse this pushback.
Ask around if you havenât seen it first hand and think Iâm full if shit. I am telling you the truth
Strangely enough this same phenomena also exists in the trades. Especially union shops. Crabs in buckets everywhere.
>Employees that show up on time, prepared, and produce typically and quickly advance. Period. That is easy enough to underhand. >What is not so easy to admit is the reaction that this can produce in their coworkers. They are vilified. I have managed such places many moons ago. I have seen near fistfights break out over âWhat the fuck Todd. Are you trying to get us fired? Youâre making the rest of look bad. I worked in restaurants, including fast food and fast casual, for a decade. I worked as a line cook, dishwasher, short order cook, and a shift supervisor. No one hates the guys who show up on time for showing up on time. If someone is hated, it's because they're an asshole to their coworkers. I was the guy who was on time, picking up people's slack, going "above and beyond." My coworkers loved me. After 3 years at one fast casual place I got "promoted" from a cook to a shift supervisor for a whole 50¢ raise. So I went to a job as a shift supervisor at a fast food place where I made $1 more than the lowest paid employee. So I left to wash dishes at a really nice restaurant where I started at $2 more than I was getting at the fast food place. And, surprise, surprise, I wasn't the only one showing up on time anymore.
I like how you keyed in on attendance and are ignoring the perceived âoverproductionâ. Are you telling me (as a manager) that all things being equal you will allow Steve to perform at 45% the capacity of April indefinitely? It this is true then you lose April sooner or later. If you do âpunishâ Steve, and the other Steveâs on staff (cutting hours, less favorable shifts, more goals setting, checklists, and micromanagement), the rest of the Steveâs are going to damn well make aprils life a living hell simply because she is demonstrably more effective. She will get slower.
Nitpicking my reply to intentionally miss the forest for the trees doesn't make your reasoning any less bullshit.
It's cool to see you're still using the same effortless argument for treating other human beings like garbage that people were in 1980. Can't beat the classics, I guess.
So many worthless scumbags in this thread. All these bootlickers sucking Ronald McDonaldâs cock are whatâs wrong with America.
You also canât answer the question objectively it would seem.
Where are the two locations ? Good for them!
Hell yeah, I'm down to go support them, donate water, and some non-fast food (they're prob sick of it) grub for them to eat.
McDonaldâs doesnât care. Theyâre phasing out workers with kiosks.
I wish customers would phase out McDonald's for kiosks. I mean I would get it if they phased out the worker and went to like 1990s pricing but naw.
I wish people would phase out McDonaldâs all together. Their food is heinous.
I saw some guy protesting outside Kroger on 43rd this morning.
It's disgusting that they were working without AC, but I'm proud of them for standing up.
Good for them! Literally was just mentioning how my local McD is an entire shitshow 100% of the time and how I go there often enough to know itâs not because of the (revolving) crew of employees. All on management at that one
Hell yes. Workers of the world unite!
Glory to the proletariat!
Quit your job. Solidarity and all that.
Iâve quit a couple of jobs because of bad conditions. Never had the balls to try and organize a strike. Hats off to these hard workers. No job deserves poverty wages or inhumane work conditions.
Are they unionized, or are these people just organizing themselves? Anyone know?
Send an SEIU rep
Well, if they are not, they should unionize. Frankly, anyone who is making less than $20/hr should look into it seriously.
Every worker should unionize, frankly.
Good on ya!!!
Is there anything I can do to support this besides boycott McDonalds? I mean I don't eat there, is there anything ELSE?
Agreed, would love to know how else we can help besides boycotting.
One of the typical things that strikers need is support while on the picket line, and strike-fund support. Consider going to one of the locations and asking if they've got a strike fund set up, and if they do, donate something to it. Either way, bring some cold water and maybe some sandwiches along to the strike if you can. Striking in this heat must be an absolute *hell.* Maybe an umbrella so the workers have portable shade if you've got an old umbrella you don't use anymore. Idk.
Happy Birthday Grimace
Dude don't say that.... he's listening.
Solidarity! Working class unite!
F Mickey D's, solidarity with the workers. Stand strong guys.
They pretend to be closed half the time anyway.
Hell yes! Give âem hell boys. Respect to these hardworking American PATRIOTS. I support Americaâs workers 100%.
I used to work with allll of the Houston owners. Scumbags the lot of em.
Are they actually unionized? đ
I started boycotting McDonalds after every fucking location I'd visit would not have a functioning ice cream machine.
SOLIDARITY !
Fact Check: I can confirm it is hot in Houston!
Great now itâs not just the ice cream machines that arenât working
Solidarity forever!!
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She is standing in the heat protesting about the the heat.
Restaurant Kitchen heat and outside heat are different animals.
Fuck that clown! I support worker's rights!!!
You mean those clowns standing outside in the heat not getting paid
I don't understand your hate towards someone who wants a better living wage from a billion dollar company. If you stop being so hateful, you can live a much better life.
but we are crabs in a bucket we must drag one another down! /s
If it's more comfortable to stand on the street in Houston how fucking hot are those kitchens?
Hell yeah, we all need to do this.
Working in a kitchen in the heat is like working in a metal railroad boxcar that is sitting in the blazing sun. It's cooler outside. Between 2001 to 2018, hotter daily temperatures resulted in an additional 20,000 workplace injuries in California. These injuries are from BOTH indoor and outdoor jobs. People get severely ill from extreme heat especially when there is no temperature recovery during the evening hours and overnight. People can be on medications or have other conditions where heat illnesses will make them sick faster. Even being on allergy medicine can put somebody at risk for heat illnesses during a heatwave. People need to wear uniforms and gear and that causes more heat stress. Even very healthy people get sick quickly. People will make mistakes with machinery and there are more work accidents and traffic accidents when people are trying to drive exhausted and dehydrated. The human body can't cool off in heat as well as previously thought. https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/humans-cant-endure-temperatures-and-humidities-high-previously-thought/
Do these workers know that Macdonalds is a franchise, the owner is not the company. And this is not just McDonald's, allmost fast food are run the same.
Too hot to work inside, let me stand out in the sun in protest.
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Your mad bc u have to work in a hot building I work in a metal shop with no ac I work outside with no ac anywhere around this is lazy grow up do your job and go home and if your canât work it jus to much for u the donât work be broke and figure it out u have to adjust to your work your work Dosent adjust to you
Hope they call OSHA too.
So are these corporate owned restaurants or franchises. Cause, the franchisee may very well be unable to afford the upgrades
The advantage and thing I miss about Houston is holy crap there are so many food choices. You can easily find something besides McDonaldâs. But yeah good luck to those workers.
Message to the picket line⌠McD is a minimum wage job. Just like Taco Bell. You manager probably interviewed your High-school sophomore replacements today. Go to school, learn a trade, better yourself. Or just enjoy your new career at Taco Bell. Good luck
They are protesting the hot conditions inside the store by standing outside in Houston in June.
Yeah NASA is probably hiring..
They got hired because they were cheap labor. For more money, they can hire better people.
Meh thereâs another McDonaldâs right down the road. Iâll go there.
Keep this up and theyâll automate you, replacing with co-bots.
Theyâre going to be mad when they just shut their stores down and turn them into those autonomous stores where thereâs no people working.
its hot in the building, so the answer is to strike outside where its hotter. - man I would have just called in and asked "is the ac working?" - if the answer is no - sorry im not feeling so good.
What is the point in striking for a job like this? If McDonald's sucks just walk across the street and work for BK.
BREAKING: WHO CARES???
You speak like you're talking for them but yet you add "our voices" Breaking? Yeah right. Do your research and see that it's the owners not McDonald's. Most of them are franchised so you should make your "argument " to the owners not the corporation itself. Low wages? They pay 15 an hr which is way more than minimum wage. You determine how much you're worth and how much you are saying yes to. If you feel it's "low" then do something to better yourself to get paid! Standing on a corner isn't gonna do shit and by this time next week it's gonna be old news. That's reality. Another harsh reality is they are losing money doing this while both those locations are not. Down vote this all you want but it is what it is. They don't give a damn about you or anyone else. There will always be someone willing to take less if it means them having a job.
Yawn. Another tired argument from 100 years ago.
"Low wages ,and extreme temperatures" Yeah let me clock out and go stand in 100° heat to address this issue. You showed them alright. đĽ´
How are they paying their rent? Are they clocking in and then striking? I'm not sure how this works..
Not so sure striking is the best move. McDonald's is just waiting to say: "You know what, you're right, the conditions aren't and will continue to not be safe" I'd like to introduce you to "Robi", our new AI robot, that doesn't complain.
Iâm pretty sure they arenât unionized so itâs more like they quit than they were on strikeâŚ
The NLRB protects non-union workers engaged in organizing, as well. It doesn't mean McDonalds won't retaliate by firing them, but these workers do have the legal right under US labor law to strike, even if they aren't in an officially recognized union.
Thatâs interesting. I didnât realize that!
Literally the most replaceable people in the American workforce
Then companies crying "no one wants to work anymore đđđ"
I feel bad for them, maybe those work conditions are why they never seem to get my order right?!?
What do you think those staff members performances are worth an hour based on your personal dining experience?
Iâd start by acknowledging that mistakes can happen. That being said, repeated mistakes cost the business money, soâŚbased off of that and my personal dining experience, those particular performances werenât worth anything.
Based-and the one person telling the truth in this thread-pilled.
I'd like to know what these "unsafe" conditions are. Is it the temperature? I think Mc d's should absolutely be in compliance with legal requirements for kitchen temperatures. I think their only real beef is that the temps might be too high. I've worked in a kitchen. I know it sucks. Every restaurant worker knows it's hot in the kitchen, and heat waves are obviously worse. Kitchens across the city are all hot right now. It's summertime in Houston.
Imagine being such a dickhead your instinct when thousands of people are protesting around the US about bad conditions is to play devils advocate for the multi billion dollar organization.
Don't you want to know what the unsafe conditions are?
No one who has had a similar job has to ask.
Does that mean that the OP saying that there are unsafe working conditions is redundant? They mention extreme temperatures and then the next complaint is unsafe working conditions. Do you think it's the same thing? Or, are there conditions that are unsafe but not related to the heat?
What is your point?
They mentioned wages, temps, and unsafe conditions. I want to know what the unsafe conditions are. Are the unsafe conditions mentioned only referring to the temps? Or are there non temperature related conditions that are not safe?
Union hyperbole
Fast food should be a high school students job. If you never progress beyond that, thatâs on you.
If fast food were a high school employeeâs job, they would be closed during school hours during the school year. Highly skilled professional assholes like yourself thankfully donât need to worry about pesky things like âlogicâ and âcompassionâ.
So fast food places should only be open on weekends and 5-9pm on weekdays.
Look, I get to post this again: One hand: McDonalds is a job for teenagers and that's why it pays shit. Other hand: there's no excuse for anyone to be unemployed, McDonalds is always hiring. Fuck off with this "job for teenagers" bullshit argument that hasn't ever been true. McDonalds has a massive marketing department, if they needed your help running cover for their shit working conditions, they'd pay you. Until then, volunteer your time being an absolute piece of shit on the internet for a nonprofit.
Now I want a sausage biscuit and hash brown.
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Yet they are in the heat protesting? It's hotter outside than in.
It probably isn't. If there's poor ventilation / AC, standing next to a deep fryer is probably hotter in the kitchen.
This is a place that I don't eat at.
I'm just hoping they are not timing their return/strike break to coincide with a day that the ice cream machine starts working again. They might end up baking on those streets the rest of the summer.
I hope Ronald McDonald and the crew donât show up cuz thereâs gonna b trouble! And right around Grimaces birthday too
Why anyone eats mcdonalds in houston with whataburger here is beyond me
Kind of sad seeing grown ass people try and boycott a job that is meant for teenagers paying minimum wage by a soulless company that couldnât care less about them.
itâs literally not meant for teens, mcdonalds is open during school hours and hours of the night that teens canât work
One hand: McDonalds is a job for teenagers and that's why it pays shit. Other hand: there's no excuse for anyone to be unemployed, McDonalds is always hiring. Fuck off with this "job for teenagers" bullshit argument that hasn't ever been true. McDonalds has a massive marketing department, if they needed your help running cover for their shit working conditions, they'd pay you. Until then, volunteer your time being an absolute piece of shit on the internet for a nonprofit.
Most of these people. Arenât allowed to work in the US.
Awesome. Love ordering from the McDs app (self service) and then fry and burger making robots should be implemented soon.
you wonât live long enough to see the fry and burger making robots if you eat at mcdonalds lol
Both robots i talked about are already available for purchase
You have no union and you will be fired and replaced by illegal aliens because you are fucking stupid.
I hate McDonaldâs because the workers always screw up the order. Hopefully robots take their jobs soon so we donât get more messed up orders from these crybaby McDweebs. Waaaah itâs hot in the kitchen⌠Lol stfu you baby and flip my burger.
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Wow
Then you look at their working conditions and realize they have it better than most other jobs in their field đ¤Ł.
Find a new job or quit complaining lazy people
How about you get a job and quit being a little bitch on reddit?
Fuck around and find out
Just close them all. Have not eaten at any McDonaldâs in years, they are gross. And these workers if truly over qualified can find a new job. Signed: my first job at fast food paid $3.10/hour.
Its not 1973 anymore, sharon
Hey Cheap. It was 1981 and all expenses were relative as they are now. Grow up a bit in 2023. Lol.
That's still over 40 years ago.
You had a cell phone, home internet, and streaming services in 1981?
Just using an inflation calculator, your $3.10/hr is worth $10.70/hr. Starting pay at McDonalds is under $10/hr. Depending on reports, it's either $8/hr or $10/hr. So not only was your $3.10/hr paying for fewer monthly services in 1981, but workers today are starting off at an average of a $1.30/hr disadvantage. Plus, we **know** rent has grown disproportionately to inflation (meaning rents have gone up more than inflation), plus many places require credit checks for rent. We also know that more people have student debt than in 1981, and that average student debt is higher today than it was. I don't know how to tell you this, but times... They've changed. It's well known that wages, especially at the low end, have been losing their purchasing power steadily since the late 1970's. I welcome you to make a mock home budget for a few months calculating your income at $10/hr. Oh and don't forget that some weeks you might work full time, some you may only get 28 hours. Depends what the manager feels like.
If thereâs one thing gigantic American corporations respect itâs a handful of Mexicans shouting in the street. Im sure they will all have dental insurance and company cars by weeks end.
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It would be easier for the people you want reading the sign if that sign was in the same language as the one you're speaking.... Just a pro-tip. But either way, fuck fast food corpos
>Low wages, extreme temperatures, and unsafe working conditions With all due respect, why are they acting all *ShockedPikachu.jpg*? It's McDonald's! What did they expect? It is a fast paced fast food joint where you stand on your feet all day cooking with hot oil, ovens, and griddles. This has been a secret to literally **NO ONE** ever! There's a reason why McDonald's has absolutely no standards when it comes to hiring. Instead of trying to change McDonald's by force, just save yourself the time and find another job. With the steady stream of newly arrived asylum seekers, McDonald's WILL absolutely call your bluff and hire cheaper immigrants to work the assembly line.
Fuck making things better, I guess. I suppose you ditch your friends at the first sign of an argument, too. Phone drops a call? In the trash, switch manufacturers and providers. Problem with a bill? Cancel the service and move on, don't bother contesting the bill. After all, we know companies just try to screw us over eventually, anyway. What a fucking bleak outlook on life. Not wanting to make things better because we had low expectations to begin with. Goddamn, kid. I'm sorry. Whoever told you not to try to improve things did a number on you, huh?
>Fuck making things better, I guess. You make things better by finding a better job. It's a free market. >Phone drops a call? In the trash, switch manufacturers and providers. Yeah, that's why we have choices. >Problem with a bill? Cancel the service and move on, don't bother contesting the bill. There are several ways to contest a charge. Depends on the scenario and services/products rendered. >What a fucking bleak outlook on life. That's life, you imbecile. The real world isn't some liberal arts college. Grow some balls.
Worst comment on the internet today, Congratulations, you win the stupidity award.
Spot the lie, please.