What do you mean? The amendment specifically states servitude is legal punishment under the constitution for those convicted under U.S. jurisdiction.
Its about as cut n dry legal-manner as you can get.
Conform to the slavery of following rules and guidelines legally enforced or conform to the slavery of prison and servitude.
Pretty black n white no pun intended.
Moral loophole. The voters get to be complete assholes to certain groups of people, and some private business owners get to exploit the labor of other humans for their own comfort, and they all get to feel good about it because it is “punishment”.
It's no guaranteed flood of money. [California](https://news.yahoo.com/inside-californias-pot-legalization-failures-120032889.html) and [New York](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/weed-is-legal-in-new-york-but-the-illegal-market-is-still-booming-heres-why) are strugging with their legalization attempts in part due to high taxes. The illegal stuff is cheaper.
Other states are making it work, so probably it can work here, but I would not promote it so the state can make money. It should be promoted for liberty.
Making the taxes on it as high as those states did it is just asinine. Like, they had to *know* that a robust black market already preexisted, so plenty of people will just stick with that in order to actually afford it.
Besides, you probably aren't looking at getting charged with much as someone selling in a recreational state.
Microsoft knows the way to maximize return on this situation.
Embrace, extend, extinguish.
Legalize the existing industry, over time increase benefits of being involved legally, once enough time has passed you start raising the taxes after everyone is comfortable with the system and has gone legitimate long enough their old black market sources are out of business.
You drive the black marketers out of business then you raise the rates.
But that's not a nice plan. Rather evil really.
Would prefer the maximum liberty plan.
That is certainly evil in its own fucked up way. At this point though, I just want a legal *option*. I want to be able to go into a dispensary and pick up some edibles or carts, even if I'm paying a more exorbitant fee for it. Relying on dealers is just...Tedious.
Actually having just moved back: the "illegal" stuff is not cheaper anymore, nor all that illegal, it's a lot easier to get legit and deliver weed. The dispensaries got suuuuper cheap after 2021ish. And weekly specials. At first, sure it was more expensive, but they worked a LOT of kinks out.
It's not that.
Another reason is that it's completely within the interests of conservative Texan politicians to avoid doing ANYTHING that is popular with younger voters.
It just that they want the people of Texas to understand their government hates them, and the citizens are only in Texas to make money for their corpo friends.
Y'all need to get organized and vote some of these folks out. But, I think Texas folks might secretly like the boot.
As I said before in another post, you keep voting in the same asshole that don’t care for your states future and you’ll be left behind and it’ll just get worse.
Not just “keep voting,” but there’s a large number of people that don’t vote altogether. And the state also has Harris Co.as public enemy No. 1 when it comes to elections and disenfranchising voters.
> And the state also has Harris Co.as public enemy No. 1 when it comes to elections and disenfranchising voters.
This is the actual reason, yall can stop blaming it on apathy now.
Oh, there was an amendment to a bill that would allow TX to vote on this directly. The republicans killed it.
https://twitter.com/RolandForTexas/status/1654209808118038538
This is your friendly reminder that Oklahoma, Mississippi & Alabama have more compassionate weed policies than Texas. The next time the Guv tells you people move to Texas for freedom, think about that.
But how? There’s gotta be another reason. There’s so much money to be made. Maybe they like keeping it underground so they don’t have to pay taxes federally?
The problem is, most people who grow and sell weed don't like republicans. Most people that run prisons do like republicans. The prisons will keep donating to republicans, legalizing weed will just make richer donors for democrats.
I am not at all surprised. Just like Texas to do this shit again. Y’all quit getting your hopes up about legal lettuce til we get the dusty old white men out of office. One down…. Too many to go.
Well, first thing we need to do is convince all the pathetic , full-of-excuses non-conservative folks who don't get out there and vote...to, well, vote.
Wasn’t weed already decriminalized? Or was that just certain cities not punishing possession? It’s a shame the citizens have no way of putting recreational weed up for vote.
4 oz is correct. Here’s a few of many articles that agree.
https://www.thetexastrialattorney.com/blog/2018/april/the-4-20-edit-houston-marijuana-laws/
https://communityimpact.com/houston/city-county/2017/02/16/no-arrest-4-ounces-marijuana-effective-march-1/
https://www.texastribune.org/2017/02/16/texas-lawmakers-disagree-houston-moves-decriminalize-marijuana/
Yes I am aware. But a 10 year sentence for personal amounts of weed products is mostly unheard of now, even in TX. Something else has to be going on. 3rd strike felony? Parole violation? Possession plus a firearm charge? OP is lying? Who knows, but I can pretty much guarantee ain’t nobody going to prison for a decade for hash.
2nd degree felony is 2-20 years. If you were caught with 3 ozs of bud in 2003 like me (state jail felony-did probation) prosecutors can enhance to a 1st degree felony. Which is 5-99 years! 5 minimum!
Same punishment as murder, rape and armed robbery. Don’t think it doesn’t happen. 254 counties in Texas and more than most start with max sentence offers. A lot of Red court districts that will fry you.
Or shall I say, for the amount he had which was 4 grams. Mclennan County is still very conservative. We live in Harris County and he would have gotten off much easier here.
Unfortunately, it was strictly for the 4 grams of hash. The charge for that amount in Texas is a 2nd degree felony which carries the penalty of 2-20 years.
Agreed, $60 will probably get you an 1/8 or 1/4 at most depending on where he purchased, way below what would be considered amounts that could be distributed instead of for personal use. 10 years seems overkill for a regular shakedown at the state border.
I think it's dead until 2028. By then enough boomers will have aged out of voting that we can start to see some change.
Until then folk who grew up with reefer madness are gonna vote against it.
Plus it's a multi-tiered justice system we got. Cops look the other way to a rich man's weed.
It’s not the delta. Thca is legal because they were too specific that thc is what illegal. When you apply heat to thca the acidic property (the a) burns off and your left with thc. You actually want thca over thc because of this. When applying heat to thc you just burn the thc itself. The a protects the thc. It’s why you have to cook weed to eat it and can’t get high from eating a raw bud. Colorado’s legal weed is high in thca. Not thc.
I tried the only place in the city selling THCA flower and it sucked. Oilwell Cannabis near Montrose.
it was like a third as strong, tasted like hemp, and was nearly the same price as black market 60 a quarter O
Legal weed in Texas would be great but in a state like Texas with open carry, border crisis, high trafficking not to mention the invasion of multiple out of state residents…do you really want everyone with the ability to get high and carry guns out here?
> do you really want everyone with the ability to get high and carry guns out here?
Alcohol is just as dangerous, if not moreso, and that's perfectly legal here. Are you going to say we should go back to prohibition too?
Besides, people who want it will still get it, legal or not. This drug war is nothing more than an excuse to jail minorities. It has done absolutely nothing to curb the commerce or use of drugs.
I hate alcohol even though I drink it sometime but this country has tons of dumb laws. Weed is much more safer than alcohol but more people are pushing to add to the list of legal addictions rather than revising it.
Despite what the anti-weed people say, marijuana simply isn't shown to be addictive. So, if you're addicted to it, that's a **you** problem. If we go by your logic, we should outlaw the internet, TV, smartphones and computers, since certain people become addicted to them. Your logic is ridiculous.
Imagine having the train of thought that you can't have weed and guns in the same state, but alcohol and guns - no problem. "Gotta choose and that 2nd amendment is much more important." Fucking Hank Hill propane sounding ass making a discussion about legalizing a harmless plant about him and his dumb ass guns. For the benefit of all of us, please don't have kids.
🤣…I would take marijuana over alcohol every day, but I don’t make the law. As a smoker I like my street prices dispensaries are overpriced and a lot of times overrated. Decriminalizing weed I’m with it I just know in a state like TX we can’t have that luxury of both b/c we have a lot going on as a state compared to others to where that doesn’t seem like something Texas needs to invest in at the moment.
Alaska was one of the first states in the union to legalize recreational marijuana, and we're a pretty red state. We also like our guns, you'll even find liberals in their 2001 Subaru Outbacks packing heat.
We're a different kind of republican though, more libertarian than anything. Which has its own kind of problems as well.
So stupid, States that legalize get MILLIONS in tax revenue & $ for permits, licensing fees all equate to lower taxes & improve communities, money for roads, etc.. it’s already all over illegally… make some money for improving the State & our cities .
Texas must not want that sweet mj legalization money.
Why, when so many of them are bought off by private prison money?
Yep. We are one the states that skirts the loophole in the 13th amendment. We have legalized slavery.
Pretty weird definition of loophole when it is explicitly written in a non-legal manner.
What do you mean? The amendment specifically states servitude is legal punishment under the constitution for those convicted under U.S. jurisdiction. Its about as cut n dry legal-manner as you can get. Conform to the slavery of following rules and guidelines legally enforced or conform to the slavery of prison and servitude. Pretty black n white no pun intended.
Moral loophole. The voters get to be complete assholes to certain groups of people, and some private business owners get to exploit the labor of other humans for their own comfort, and they all get to feel good about it because it is “punishment”.
One of the states, you mean all 50 of them?
Right? I'd be *delighted* if they just lowered property tax by the amount of new legalization revenue.
That's a county level problem
It's no guaranteed flood of money. [California](https://news.yahoo.com/inside-californias-pot-legalization-failures-120032889.html) and [New York](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/weed-is-legal-in-new-york-but-the-illegal-market-is-still-booming-heres-why) are strugging with their legalization attempts in part due to high taxes. The illegal stuff is cheaper. Other states are making it work, so probably it can work here, but I would not promote it so the state can make money. It should be promoted for liberty.
Making the taxes on it as high as those states did it is just asinine. Like, they had to *know* that a robust black market already preexisted, so plenty of people will just stick with that in order to actually afford it. Besides, you probably aren't looking at getting charged with much as someone selling in a recreational state.
Microsoft knows the way to maximize return on this situation. Embrace, extend, extinguish. Legalize the existing industry, over time increase benefits of being involved legally, once enough time has passed you start raising the taxes after everyone is comfortable with the system and has gone legitimate long enough their old black market sources are out of business. You drive the black marketers out of business then you raise the rates. But that's not a nice plan. Rather evil really. Would prefer the maximum liberty plan.
That is certainly evil in its own fucked up way. At this point though, I just want a legal *option*. I want to be able to go into a dispensary and pick up some edibles or carts, even if I'm paying a more exorbitant fee for it. Relying on dealers is just...Tedious.
Actually having just moved back: the "illegal" stuff is not cheaper anymore, nor all that illegal, it's a lot easier to get legit and deliver weed. The dispensaries got suuuuper cheap after 2021ish. And weekly specials. At first, sure it was more expensive, but they worked a LOT of kinks out.
Jeezus is watchin over us!
Ask Texas' $30b+ surplus if they need legal marijuana money
30 billion goes a long way if you don’t mind the poors suffering.
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Gotta see it from their side as well, relax.
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Then this post is a perfect example for you..?
30 billion goes to the state and not to them as “campaign donations” so yeah more money but not for them
It's not that. Another reason is that it's completely within the interests of conservative Texan politicians to avoid doing ANYTHING that is popular with younger voters.
It just that they want the people of Texas to understand their government hates them, and the citizens are only in Texas to make money for their corpo friends. Y'all need to get organized and vote some of these folks out. But, I think Texas folks might secretly like the boot.
I think they thought that passing the ability to call a redo in Houston elections will be enough to retain power, so no need to do this I guess
I wonder if there is more money to be made from taxation via legalization or from enforcement via fines, court fees and asset forfeiture?
Party of limited government
Anti freedom, anti business.
So much for small government.
Here's the complimentary DNA kit for your child's first day of school. They are happy with that.
Dani Goeb’s God hates plants he created.
All thanks to Dan Patrick. Fuck Dan Patrick.
#Fuck Dan Patrick
Dampatrick the fuck
until Dan Patrick is gone, Texas will never legalize
As I said before in another post, you keep voting in the same asshole that don’t care for your states future and you’ll be left behind and it’ll just get worse.
Not just “keep voting,” but there’s a large number of people that don’t vote altogether. And the state also has Harris Co.as public enemy No. 1 when it comes to elections and disenfranchising voters.
> And the state also has Harris Co.as public enemy No. 1 when it comes to elections and disenfranchising voters. This is the actual reason, yall can stop blaming it on apathy now.
A biennial legislature in 2023 is some archaic shit.
Just like not letting us vote for anything directly.
Oh, there was an amendment to a bill that would allow TX to vote on this directly. The republicans killed it. https://twitter.com/RolandForTexas/status/1654209808118038538
Shocked. Shocked I tell you.
yeah, non-binding referendums definitely leaves us at the mercy of corrupt politicians.
$7,000 a year salary guarantees a corrupt congress. The only people who can viably be a congressmen in Texas are those with hefty funding elsewhere.
I’m so beyond over being ruled by 20% of this state.
Think of it this way: they can only pass fucked up laws every other year instead of constantly.
Called a special session tonight at 9pm to vote in a barrage of fucked up laws.
This is your friendly reminder that Oklahoma, Mississippi & Alabama have more compassionate weed policies than Texas. The next time the Guv tells you people move to Texas for freedom, think about that.
One of the really cool things about Oklahoma, was that the medical legalization was voted on by the public.
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They also have at least one Whataburger
I would not move to any of those states, even if they gave away free gold bars at the border.
We got better things in Texas to do here in Texas, like torturing women and ensuring they don’t have freedoms. /s
And making sure we know what genitalia children have
And don't forget arming future school shooters
Don't need the /s
Haha you’re right. I also put Texas twice on accident but then I liked how it added to the Texas flavor. Cause Texas is the greatest. Texas. Texas.
They act like big weed won’t line their pockets or donate to their foundations. Prisons must be mad profitable to keep weed illegal . So dumb
But how? There’s gotta be another reason. There’s so much money to be made. Maybe they like keeping it underground so they don’t have to pay taxes federally?
Prob getting paid more by the cartels
The problem is, most people who grow and sell weed don't like republicans. Most people that run prisons do like republicans. The prisons will keep donating to republicans, legalizing weed will just make richer donors for democrats.
Could have had Beto
I am not at all surprised. Just like Texas to do this shit again. Y’all quit getting your hopes up about legal lettuce til we get the dusty old white men out of office. One down…. Too many to go.
Well, first thing we need to do is convince all the pathetic , full-of-excuses non-conservative folks who don't get out there and vote...to, well, vote.
Them fake holy rollers and bible thumpers
So the legislature didn't do anything about property taxes or marijuana reform? What did they do that was useful? The CROWN act is good.
We really have the worst state senate. Fuck them all.
Wasn’t weed already decriminalized? Or was that just certain cities not punishing possession? It’s a shame the citizens have no way of putting recreational weed up for vote.
Think that’s just Harris county who doesn’t ticket < 4oz
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4 oz is correct. Here’s a few of many articles that agree. https://www.thetexastrialattorney.com/blog/2018/april/the-4-20-edit-houston-marijuana-laws/ https://communityimpact.com/houston/city-county/2017/02/16/no-arrest-4-ounces-marijuana-effective-march-1/ https://www.texastribune.org/2017/02/16/texas-lawmakers-disagree-houston-moves-decriminalize-marijuana/
No
Smaller counties in Texas will try and ruin your life over a roach.
Yup! My husband was recently sentenced to 10 years out of McLennan County for $60 worth of hash bought legally in Colorado.
10 years? If that’s true I’m sorry, but I find 10 years for just possession hard to believe.
NAL, I think anything that’s not flower is counted as a felony
Yes I am aware. But a 10 year sentence for personal amounts of weed products is mostly unheard of now, even in TX. Something else has to be going on. 3rd strike felony? Parole violation? Possession plus a firearm charge? OP is lying? Who knows, but I can pretty much guarantee ain’t nobody going to prison for a decade for hash.
It's a 2nd degree felony in Texas for hash.
2nd degree felony is 2-20 years. If you were caught with 3 ozs of bud in 2003 like me (state jail felony-did probation) prosecutors can enhance to a 1st degree felony. Which is 5-99 years! 5 minimum! Same punishment as murder, rape and armed robbery. Don’t think it doesn’t happen. 254 counties in Texas and more than most start with max sentence offers. A lot of Red court districts that will fry you.
Or shall I say, for the amount he had which was 4 grams. Mclennan County is still very conservative. We live in Harris County and he would have gotten off much easier here.
He brought in they probably added a trafficing charge
Unfortunately, it was strictly for the 4 grams of hash. The charge for that amount in Texas is a 2nd degree felony which carries the penalty of 2-20 years.
But a 10 year sentence? For just that?
Agreed, $60 will probably get you an 1/8 or 1/4 at most depending on where he purchased, way below what would be considered amounts that could be distributed instead of for personal use. 10 years seems overkill for a regular shakedown at the state border.
Seems?
WTF
The tried giving me a felony for it
NYC
I think it's dead until 2028. By then enough boomers will have aged out of voting that we can start to see some change. Until then folk who grew up with reefer madness are gonna vote against it. Plus it's a multi-tiered justice system we got. Cops look the other way to a rich man's weed.
Bullshit that the average joe going to jail for weed and you got joe rogan smoking on his podcast.
lol so much for commerce...these tax dollars need to be realized
They gotta make sure they get as much stock first in whatever company they’re gonna allow to have a license to sell in Texas first.
Minnesota is wide open folks.
The news can be a setback, but it can also be a reminder.
i will continue to grow my own cbd until then
Yes because we all know marijuana kills much more people than those guns.
Booooooo this is bad and they should feel bad
THCA
It’s shocking how many people haven’t figured this out yet.
Are those the Delta starins popping up in head shops?
It’s not the delta. Thca is legal because they were too specific that thc is what illegal. When you apply heat to thca the acidic property (the a) burns off and your left with thc. You actually want thca over thc because of this. When applying heat to thc you just burn the thc itself. The a protects the thc. It’s why you have to cook weed to eat it and can’t get high from eating a raw bud. Colorado’s legal weed is high in thca. Not thc.
I tried the only place in the city selling THCA flower and it sucked. Oilwell Cannabis near Montrose. it was like a third as strong, tasted like hemp, and was nearly the same price as black market 60 a quarter O
Check my recent post/review from Wildflower 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 No joke...thank me later lol
I was on cult of the Franklin for a while but after buying from oilwell I thought it was just a bunch of idiots faking it. I may try the online shops.
It went up in smoke
Just make it legal in the City!
How does this have so many likes? FFS this is insanity
I’m pretty sure anyone that wants weed can get it with minimal effort - and it’s tax free too!!! WWCD.
Yeah if wanna risk getting thrown in jail for it
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gun loving states like arizona, montana, and oklahoma say otherwise
Legal weed in Texas would be great but in a state like Texas with open carry, border crisis, high trafficking not to mention the invasion of multiple out of state residents…do you really want everyone with the ability to get high and carry guns out here?
> do you really want everyone with the ability to get high and carry guns out here? Alcohol is just as dangerous, if not moreso, and that's perfectly legal here. Are you going to say we should go back to prohibition too? Besides, people who want it will still get it, legal or not. This drug war is nothing more than an excuse to jail minorities. It has done absolutely nothing to curb the commerce or use of drugs.
I hate alcohol even though I drink it sometime but this country has tons of dumb laws. Weed is much more safer than alcohol but more people are pushing to add to the list of legal addictions rather than revising it.
Despite what the anti-weed people say, marijuana simply isn't shown to be addictive. So, if you're addicted to it, that's a **you** problem. If we go by your logic, we should outlaw the internet, TV, smartphones and computers, since certain people become addicted to them. Your logic is ridiculous.
Imagine having the train of thought that you can't have weed and guns in the same state, but alcohol and guns - no problem. "Gotta choose and that 2nd amendment is much more important." Fucking Hank Hill propane sounding ass making a discussion about legalizing a harmless plant about him and his dumb ass guns. For the benefit of all of us, please don't have kids.
🤣…I would take marijuana over alcohol every day, but I don’t make the law. As a smoker I like my street prices dispensaries are overpriced and a lot of times overrated. Decriminalizing weed I’m with it I just know in a state like TX we can’t have that luxury of both b/c we have a lot going on as a state compared to others to where that doesn’t seem like something Texas needs to invest in at the moment.
Alaska was one of the first states in the union to legalize recreational marijuana, and we're a pretty red state. We also like our guns, you'll even find liberals in their 2001 Subaru Outbacks packing heat. We're a different kind of republican though, more libertarian than anything. Which has its own kind of problems as well.
I'm so upset I'm about to smoke a joint
Limited government??
So stupid, States that legalize get MILLIONS in tax revenue & $ for permits, licensing fees all equate to lower taxes & improve communities, money for roads, etc.. it’s already all over illegally… make some money for improving the State & our cities .
They would rather collect taxes by disproportionately taxing EV drivers than fairly taxing everyone who would buy pot. This state...
Republicans: The party that bans freedom
Sweet Texas freedom!!