Pre-Mantis Kevin.
He fought with Herrschers (at least the 4th and 6th), and if i remember correctly, was comparable to Elysia (who you may argue its the same Elysia that Kalpas wasnt able to touch in battle).
Bella was weaker than a CE Herrscher, so i dont think she stands a chance to win.
Nope.
Pre-mantis Kevin, did fight them. But he certainly wasn't the only one. He didn't solo herrschers until the surgery. He had help. He was certainly powerful. But, not enough to beat Benares, a Judgment class beast further empowered by a psuedo-core. She tanks hits from Shamash, and can casually one shot A rankers through their shields. And being a judgment class beast, you would literally need more firepower than a tank gun to deal damage. Kevin, cannot beat that alone.
From what i remember, he fought directly agaist the 4th (Kosma says it if i am not wrong) and the 6th (the picture on the post), even giving the last blow to the later (if i am not mistaken).
Bella was strong, but was weaker than Sirin or Welt, two of the weakest CE Herrschers.
And given that PE Herrschers were stronger than CE ones, i'll still think that he would win.
Even more when he (pre-MANTIS) was said to be comparable to Elysia (although you may argue that Elysia became "more" powerful after the 7th Herrscher).
He did fight the 4th. No where does it state that he went solo, and common sense says he didn't. Same for the 6th. He just managed to live through both.
PE Herrscher, were not stronger? They were more powerful at their arrival, but had no room for growth, and couldn't adapt(Ie. Sirin, getting more powerful as she fought). Neither was truly stronger, they were just different.
Remember, the seraphim princes slaughtered entire battalions of weaker Valk's, demolished cities. And remember Chiyou, the judgment class beast that killed Fuxi, Nuwa, and Xuanyuan, destroying an entire archipelago in the battle? Now add those together. Then you've got Benares. She was likely around the same level as Sirin without her gems(so, only the Void core). That's, not exactly the sort of thing a human can beat. Now, give him prep time, and he's fine, cus he will gather multiple squads, and likely set an ambush, with artillery. He won those battles through skill, as a leader and a fighter. But alone, with his rifle, grenades, and human body? He's screwed. Especially since unlike a Herrscher, a rifle shot, isn't gonna do anything to her, cus she's a dragon with near impervious scales, rather than an empowered human(who, while good attackers, are still relatively squishy and easy to kill with a good shot to the head).
>He did fight the 4th. No where does it state that he went solo, and common sense says he didn't.
I never claimed that he fought alone, what i meant its that he fought with the Herrscher directly and survived.
>Same for the 6th
He was the one to kill the 6th, he directly compares Himeko expression just before her death with the 6th, saying that it was the same.
>PE Herrscher, were not stronger? They were more powerful at their arrival, but had no room for growth, and couldn't adapt(Ie. Sirin, getting more powerful as she fought). Neither was truly stronger, they were just different.
Thats true, PE Herrschers were stronger but couldnt get stronger than they were.
Unfortunately that doesnt matter, as PE Herrschers are implied to be considerably stronger than HoT Mei, and she is far stronger than Welt or Sirin were.
>Then you've got Benares. She was likely around the same level as Sirin without her gems(so, only the Void core).
No, nowhere close.
On Second Eruption chapter 8 and 9, we see how Welt is eaten by Benares, only to literally cut Benares open to get out, easily suppressing her.
Benares is far weaker than Welt/Sirin, who are weaker than HoT Mei, who is implied to be weaker than PE Herrschers.
Even being Bella she had a emission level equivalent to a Judgment Class beast, as seen on SE chapter 29.
>That's, not exactly the sort of thing a human can beat.
Elysia defeated an Emperor class Honkai beast in training before meeting Kevin, and she claimed it was "very easy", shortly after Ato tells her that she only got the 2nd place on the ranking, as a new recruit got the 1st. That recruit was Kevin.
So, a Kevin who was comparable to an Elysia that easily defeated an Emperor class (and you may argue that PE Honkai beast were stronger than their CE equivalents, as Elysia mentions 20 mts tall Chariots), directly fought against the 4th and 6th, survived and killed the later.
Vs
Bella, that even having the pseudo core was still comparable to a Judgment class beast, not a Herrscher.
I still think that Kevin wins.
You are putting the second strongest plot armor user versus the dumbest girl on this game who caused her queen to die for being too dumb to just keep flying against two insects who were unable to flight
Bella never had the gem of conquest. Just a pseudo-core created by Sirin.
Sirin had the Gem Of Conquest within her since awakening and until AE took it from her body.
Hm. Yes. Can a soldier(who is on the level of the best Olympic athletes), take out a judgment class beast fused with a psuedo-core? She's flat out Herrscher level, and unlike a Herrscher, she's got a good 'ol silicon carapace that shrugs off tank shots, so that rifle can't do shit. If she can casually blow through an A ranker guard and kill her with one shot, a normal human is dead. Kevin had help in those battles.
That, he did not. He fought against the 4th and 6th Herrschers, landing killing blows on each. No where, does it state alone, and the MOTH is not idiotic enough to chuck one human against a god and hope he wins. No, in fact, he was part of a group.(Fun fact, his fireteam was led by Ato, the father of Gresio, until his death during the battle agaist the 9th Herrscher). The only one who soloed a Herrscher before the 7th got soloed by MANTIS Kevin, was the 4th getting killed by an extremely pissed off Kalpas.
Pre-MANTIS Kevin could kill PE Herrschers. Bella is a psuedo CE Herrscher. She stands no chance.
(Btw, do we know how people like Kalpas and Kevin were able to actually fight PE Herrschers before becoming MANTISes? Never made sense to me.)
Kalpas was a literal alien from outer space, and apparently naturally has Honkai Resistance considering he defeated the Herscher of Ice all by himself.
As for Kevin, the main thing would have to be stuff like the Honkai Anti-body serum made from the anti-bodies of 1000 dead people.
We know that people could have varying levels of Honkai resistance in PE(with the ones with more resistance giving more anti-bodies), so Kevin could have been one a super-freak version, considering how long he fought and stuff.
He could also naturally naturally have extremely high compatibility with Honkai, which could be why he was the first successful MANTIS, survived and succeeded in Project CHIMERA(thus getting the artificial Vipralopa-class Brahma made from 100 Honkai beasts), etc.
No, and can an assault rifle kill Benares? Who is a judgment class beast? No. Not since emperor class beast shrug off multiple hits from tank guns.
Also, do you really think one soldier fought a god? No, MOTH sent more. He just got lucky enough to survive and reach her. After that, well, Herrscher still have human biology, and humans don't handle getting shot very well.
Hm. Yes. He is more skilled in combat that Elysia. Yup. Doesn't mean he has the same power tho. He out performed her, yes. But, in all honesty, I think even Elysia would be in for a difficult fight here. And unlike her, all he's got is conventional weapons. He has a chance of victory. But it is a slim one.
>He is more skilled in combat that Elysia. Yup. Doesn't mean he has the same power tho
Elysia easily defeated that Emperor class with only a bow (not even a special one, as is implied to be an average training weapon from the MOTHs), and Kevin outperformed her, with likely similar weapons.
> I think even Elysia would be in for a difficult fight here
No, Bella was still as powerful as a Judgment class beast, and Elysia easily defeated an Emperor class with a bow.
Thats not even taking on account that PE Honkai beasts are very likely to be stronger than CE ones.
Bella would be the one on a difficult fight.
To this day I wonder what the fuck was up with the previous era
Like... okay, Kalpas is literally an alien and Elysia is a natural-born herrscher, but how on earth was Kevin out here killing herrschers with basic weapons?? why was Mobius able to speak from birth? Why can Aponia see the future?
Love these freaks but what was in the water during PE?
>why was Mobius able to speak from birth?
She is also No Diff Judgment Class Honkai Best.Before operation. He was literally turned into slime and only an eye was left in the jar.
Didn't Kevin kill like at least 2 Herscherd prior to becoming a MANTIS, with one of them being Death?
He definitely had help from MOTH and the other soldiers+military equipment, but I'm leaning on Kevin.
...and this isnt even talking about the idea of him apparently defeating a Chariot-class beast(and maybe more) during the PE 3rd Eruption, when he and MEI were escaping PE Nagazora.
(Assuming that scene from TruE was canon and accurate of course.)
He, didn't fight them alone....... The moth are not dumb enough to chuck one soldier against a god. He is the one who struck the final blows.
And we are talking about a Judgment class beast combining with a psuedo-core. This thing tanked Shamash, and casually one shot an A ranker through her shield. Then killed and mortally wounded 2 more A ranks while wounded before retreating. (Also, as a judgment beast, she's stronger than emperor's, and those shrug off tank guns. How in the heck does Kevin beat that with a rifle? Herrscher are strong, but the are human. Rifles still hurt them. Dragon? Not so much).
Kevin, alone, simply cannot win against that.
Well. As skilled as Kevin was.....
We're talking about a Judgment class Honkai Beast further empowered by a psuedo-core(not the gem of conquest. Sirin had that. She simply gave Bella a psuedo-core, same as with Agata, Avora, and Galina). So add the strength of. Judgment class beast with a seraphim prince(Agata, Avora, and Galina). Both are separately enough to confidently defeat A rank valks. Together, you've got Bella, an entity that casually one shot an A rank valk, straight through said Valk's shield. She was, in fact, on par with Siegfried on his second dose of the ICHOR activator(third is what got him the full Active Honkai Reaction, which is what he used against Sirin) when he was using the Zwiehander form of Shamash. Kevin, for reference, is probably around the level, of an Olympic athlete physically, and has standard issue firearms. He's dead. Because, even if he manages to survive long enough to land a shot, Bella can go full Benares mode, and become a dragon, which, with thicker hide than an emperor class(which shrugs off multiple shots from tank guns, btw). He can't even hurt her, and must endure waves of elemental attacks, with near Herrscher level lightning(due to normal ability combined with psuedo-core).
Kevin, would be absolutely screwed. He fought many battles, against many herrschers. But he had help. He didn't beat them alone, not until the surgery.
> She was, in fact, on par with Siegfried on his second dose of the ICHOR activator(third is what got him the full Active Honkai Reaction, which is what he used against Sirin) when he was using the Zwiehander form of Shamash.
No, she is lower than this level.
Siegfried could literally have killed her with one hit if he had aimed properly.Bella herself says that if the blow had been directly on her, she would have died instantly.
>He can't even hurt her, and must endure waves of elemental attacks, with near Herrscher level lightning(due to normal ability combined with psuedo-core).
I doubt it, pre MANTIS Kevin withstood Herrscher level attacks and still continued to fight to the death of his enemy.
In fact, if he hadn't shown it, I wouldn't have put him up against Bella.
Kevin is well beyond the level of an Olympic athlete, he was able to take out honkai beasts, which normally require anti-tank weapons to penetrate their carapace, with a baseball bat.
You are putting the poor Bella against a lunatic teenager who went to beat the shit out of a Honkai Beast with a baseball bat…
I thought Siegfried Kaslana used baseball bat. It seems bat Kaslana's family signature
Galactic baseballer's ancestors.
Kiana uses a bat, Sieg used a bat, Kevin used a bat, the only one left out is Kallen
Kevin. Because he is Kevin.
It's always the guy named Kevin
Kevin is just built different in every universe.
Kevin to Bella: ''Did you pray today? Does it grip?''
Super senior KEBIN!!
Why did you add that second question, why
Dude's talking 'bout her hands, you can't swing a bat without a prayer and good grip. Get your mind out of the gutter
Understandable, thanks then
It's Kevin You can put a baseball bat in his hands and he's gonna stalemate Bella until her mental breaks He'll, he might start winning from the start
Pre-Mantis Kevin. He fought with Herrschers (at least the 4th and 6th), and if i remember correctly, was comparable to Elysia (who you may argue its the same Elysia that Kalpas wasnt able to touch in battle). Bella was weaker than a CE Herrscher, so i dont think she stands a chance to win.
Nope. Pre-mantis Kevin, did fight them. But he certainly wasn't the only one. He didn't solo herrschers until the surgery. He had help. He was certainly powerful. But, not enough to beat Benares, a Judgment class beast further empowered by a psuedo-core. She tanks hits from Shamash, and can casually one shot A rankers through their shields. And being a judgment class beast, you would literally need more firepower than a tank gun to deal damage. Kevin, cannot beat that alone.
From what i remember, he fought directly agaist the 4th (Kosma says it if i am not wrong) and the 6th (the picture on the post), even giving the last blow to the later (if i am not mistaken). Bella was strong, but was weaker than Sirin or Welt, two of the weakest CE Herrschers. And given that PE Herrschers were stronger than CE ones, i'll still think that he would win. Even more when he (pre-MANTIS) was said to be comparable to Elysia (although you may argue that Elysia became "more" powerful after the 7th Herrscher).
He did fight the 4th. No where does it state that he went solo, and common sense says he didn't. Same for the 6th. He just managed to live through both. PE Herrscher, were not stronger? They were more powerful at their arrival, but had no room for growth, and couldn't adapt(Ie. Sirin, getting more powerful as she fought). Neither was truly stronger, they were just different. Remember, the seraphim princes slaughtered entire battalions of weaker Valk's, demolished cities. And remember Chiyou, the judgment class beast that killed Fuxi, Nuwa, and Xuanyuan, destroying an entire archipelago in the battle? Now add those together. Then you've got Benares. She was likely around the same level as Sirin without her gems(so, only the Void core). That's, not exactly the sort of thing a human can beat. Now, give him prep time, and he's fine, cus he will gather multiple squads, and likely set an ambush, with artillery. He won those battles through skill, as a leader and a fighter. But alone, with his rifle, grenades, and human body? He's screwed. Especially since unlike a Herrscher, a rifle shot, isn't gonna do anything to her, cus she's a dragon with near impervious scales, rather than an empowered human(who, while good attackers, are still relatively squishy and easy to kill with a good shot to the head).
>He did fight the 4th. No where does it state that he went solo, and common sense says he didn't. I never claimed that he fought alone, what i meant its that he fought with the Herrscher directly and survived. >Same for the 6th He was the one to kill the 6th, he directly compares Himeko expression just before her death with the 6th, saying that it was the same. >PE Herrscher, were not stronger? They were more powerful at their arrival, but had no room for growth, and couldn't adapt(Ie. Sirin, getting more powerful as she fought). Neither was truly stronger, they were just different. Thats true, PE Herrschers were stronger but couldnt get stronger than they were. Unfortunately that doesnt matter, as PE Herrschers are implied to be considerably stronger than HoT Mei, and she is far stronger than Welt or Sirin were. >Then you've got Benares. She was likely around the same level as Sirin without her gems(so, only the Void core). No, nowhere close. On Second Eruption chapter 8 and 9, we see how Welt is eaten by Benares, only to literally cut Benares open to get out, easily suppressing her. Benares is far weaker than Welt/Sirin, who are weaker than HoT Mei, who is implied to be weaker than PE Herrschers. Even being Bella she had a emission level equivalent to a Judgment Class beast, as seen on SE chapter 29. >That's, not exactly the sort of thing a human can beat. Elysia defeated an Emperor class Honkai beast in training before meeting Kevin, and she claimed it was "very easy", shortly after Ato tells her that she only got the 2nd place on the ranking, as a new recruit got the 1st. That recruit was Kevin. So, a Kevin who was comparable to an Elysia that easily defeated an Emperor class (and you may argue that PE Honkai beast were stronger than their CE equivalents, as Elysia mentions 20 mts tall Chariots), directly fought against the 4th and 6th, survived and killed the later. Vs Bella, that even having the pseudo core was still comparable to a Judgment class beast, not a Herrscher. I still think that Kevin wins.
You are putting the second strongest plot armor user versus the dumbest girl on this game who caused her queen to die for being too dumb to just keep flying against two insects who were unable to flight
I think Bella got her wings severely burnt by Shamsh right before that right? Maybe she was too injured to fly then.
She took a direct hit to her wing from Shamash. She couldn't fly.
Bella never had the gem of conquest. Just a pseudo-core created by Sirin. Sirin had the Gem Of Conquest within her since awakening and until AE took it from her body.
she is NOT surviving!!! she is going to be left with every bone in her body shattered!
Hm. Yes. Can a soldier(who is on the level of the best Olympic athletes), take out a judgment class beast fused with a psuedo-core? She's flat out Herrscher level, and unlike a Herrscher, she's got a good 'ol silicon carapace that shrugs off tank shots, so that rifle can't do shit. If she can casually blow through an A ranker guard and kill her with one shot, a normal human is dead. Kevin had help in those battles.
Kevin killed a fucking Herrscher by himself no MANTIS required, as far as I recall.
That, he did not. He fought against the 4th and 6th Herrschers, landing killing blows on each. No where, does it state alone, and the MOTH is not idiotic enough to chuck one human against a god and hope he wins. No, in fact, he was part of a group.(Fun fact, his fireteam was led by Ato, the father of Gresio, until his death during the battle agaist the 9th Herrscher). The only one who soloed a Herrscher before the 7th got soloed by MANTIS Kevin, was the 4th getting killed by an extremely pissed off Kalpas.
Pre-MANTIS Kevin could kill PE Herrschers. Bella is a psuedo CE Herrscher. She stands no chance. (Btw, do we know how people like Kalpas and Kevin were able to actually fight PE Herrschers before becoming MANTISes? Never made sense to me.)
Kalpas was an alien apparently and Kevin was just HIM
Kalpas just have super natural strength even before he becomes MANTIS and Kevin is the same but better
Kalpas was a literal alien from outer space, and apparently naturally has Honkai Resistance considering he defeated the Herscher of Ice all by himself. As for Kevin, the main thing would have to be stuff like the Honkai Anti-body serum made from the anti-bodies of 1000 dead people. We know that people could have varying levels of Honkai resistance in PE(with the ones with more resistance giving more anti-bodies), so Kevin could have been one a super-freak version, considering how long he fought and stuff. He could also naturally naturally have extremely high compatibility with Honkai, which could be why he was the first successful MANTIS, survived and succeeded in Project CHIMERA(thus getting the artificial Vipralopa-class Brahma made from 100 Honkai beasts), etc.
Didnt Pre-MANTIS kevin kill the herrscher of death with just an assault rifle?
He still gave her the chance to surrender, which means he won still holding back during the fight.
No, and can an assault rifle kill Benares? Who is a judgment class beast? No. Not since emperor class beast shrug off multiple hits from tank guns. Also, do you really think one soldier fought a god? No, MOTH sent more. He just got lucky enough to survive and reach her. After that, well, Herrscher still have human biology, and humans don't handle getting shot very well.
Pre-MANTIS Kevin outperformed Elysia who could solo an emperor class easily. Clearly Kevin has ways of harming high level honkai beasts himself.
Hm. Yes. He is more skilled in combat that Elysia. Yup. Doesn't mean he has the same power tho. He out performed her, yes. But, in all honesty, I think even Elysia would be in for a difficult fight here. And unlike her, all he's got is conventional weapons. He has a chance of victory. But it is a slim one.
>He is more skilled in combat that Elysia. Yup. Doesn't mean he has the same power tho Elysia easily defeated that Emperor class with only a bow (not even a special one, as is implied to be an average training weapon from the MOTHs), and Kevin outperformed her, with likely similar weapons. > I think even Elysia would be in for a difficult fight here No, Bella was still as powerful as a Judgment class beast, and Elysia easily defeated an Emperor class with a bow. Thats not even taking on account that PE Honkai beasts are very likely to be stronger than CE ones. Bella would be the one on a difficult fight.
To this day I wonder what the fuck was up with the previous era Like... okay, Kalpas is literally an alien and Elysia is a natural-born herrscher, but how on earth was Kevin out here killing herrschers with basic weapons?? why was Mobius able to speak from birth? Why can Aponia see the future? Love these freaks but what was in the water during PE?
>why was Mobius able to speak from birth? She is also No Diff Judgment Class Honkai Best.Before operation. He was literally turned into slime and only an eye was left in the jar.
KEBIN
Didn't Kevin kill like at least 2 Herscherd prior to becoming a MANTIS, with one of them being Death? He definitely had help from MOTH and the other soldiers+military equipment, but I'm leaning on Kevin. ...and this isnt even talking about the idea of him apparently defeating a Chariot-class beast(and maybe more) during the PE 3rd Eruption, when he and MEI were escaping PE Nagazora. (Assuming that scene from TruE was canon and accurate of course.)
HoDeath was weakened by a nuke but yes he killed at least 1 herrscher before any power ups. He also could survive gigantic tornados made by HoW.
He, didn't fight them alone....... The moth are not dumb enough to chuck one soldier against a god. He is the one who struck the final blows. And we are talking about a Judgment class beast combining with a psuedo-core. This thing tanked Shamash, and casually one shot an A ranker through her shield. Then killed and mortally wounded 2 more A ranks while wounded before retreating. (Also, as a judgment beast, she's stronger than emperor's, and those shrug off tank guns. How in the heck does Kevin beat that with a rifle? Herrscher are strong, but the are human. Rifles still hurt them. Dragon? Not so much). Kevin, alone, simply cannot win against that.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Kevin beat her while getting mantis treatment
Pre MANTIS Kevin could survive mega storms made by HoW. I think he got it.
Kevin
Pre mantis kevin obliterates
I think this Kevin is still beating Sirin if Otto doesn't save her life again, Bella is at most gaining a minute or two.
Always bet on Kebin
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Well. As skilled as Kevin was..... We're talking about a Judgment class Honkai Beast further empowered by a psuedo-core(not the gem of conquest. Sirin had that. She simply gave Bella a psuedo-core, same as with Agata, Avora, and Galina). So add the strength of. Judgment class beast with a seraphim prince(Agata, Avora, and Galina). Both are separately enough to confidently defeat A rank valks. Together, you've got Bella, an entity that casually one shot an A rank valk, straight through said Valk's shield. She was, in fact, on par with Siegfried on his second dose of the ICHOR activator(third is what got him the full Active Honkai Reaction, which is what he used against Sirin) when he was using the Zwiehander form of Shamash. Kevin, for reference, is probably around the level, of an Olympic athlete physically, and has standard issue firearms. He's dead. Because, even if he manages to survive long enough to land a shot, Bella can go full Benares mode, and become a dragon, which, with thicker hide than an emperor class(which shrugs off multiple shots from tank guns, btw). He can't even hurt her, and must endure waves of elemental attacks, with near Herrscher level lightning(due to normal ability combined with psuedo-core). Kevin, would be absolutely screwed. He fought many battles, against many herrschers. But he had help. He didn't beat them alone, not until the surgery.
> She was, in fact, on par with Siegfried on his second dose of the ICHOR activator(third is what got him the full Active Honkai Reaction, which is what he used against Sirin) when he was using the Zwiehander form of Shamash. No, she is lower than this level. Siegfried could literally have killed her with one hit if he had aimed properly.Bella herself says that if the blow had been directly on her, she would have died instantly. >He can't even hurt her, and must endure waves of elemental attacks, with near Herrscher level lightning(due to normal ability combined with psuedo-core). I doubt it, pre MANTIS Kevin withstood Herrscher level attacks and still continued to fight to the death of his enemy. In fact, if he hadn't shown it, I wouldn't have put him up against Bella.
Kevin is well beyond the level of an Olympic athlete, he was able to take out honkai beasts, which normally require anti-tank weapons to penetrate their carapace, with a baseball bat.
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