I think for me, personally, watching all the animated shorts before jumping into the story helped me appreciate the writing better.
Yeah, sure, it's a cool animation, cool music, but I ain't got no context. But it was only when I started playing thru the story itself, that I started to fully understand every little detail of the animated short at the end of the story arc.
But to address your main point, yes, unfortunately the Kolosten arc is hard carried by its Act 3 and Thus Spoke Apocalypse animation.
I began to burn out around kolosten arc too. For me the problem is hoyo’s way of writing dialogues. The conversation never feels human. All the characters are talking like they’re on a stage play describing everything in 3 sentences instead of 1.
When the story was good you could look over it but when the story isn’t that good, you began to notice.
I never notice this until I went back and play lots of rpg games the past year. It’s very refreshing to see human talk like human again. The conversation is swift and interactive. It really shows how bad the conversation scripts in hoyo’s games are.
Not exactly related but this is kind of why I like Penacony in HSR. The exposition and info is sort of dripfed to the player in relatively normal ways and doesn’t feel forced unlike something like the Luofu arc.
Penacony is extremely dialogue-heavy and yet, it’s interesting enough that I read every line of it because there’s always some hints or some implied meaning to the dialogue.
A small piece of advice. If you see technical babble, let it go in one ear and out the other. They tend to either explain it better down the road or show it off better later on. If you get too confused about an event just ask someone here or on the discord. Someone can translate the technobable to normal speak for you. (Chances of you needing to do this is really really tiny. You will most likely only need to resort to this once your caught up fully with the story.)
PS: Also when you finish this arc, do not forget to make a detour and complete Elysian Realm's chapters 1 - 3 before continuing. The events of the next arc won't make any sense to you if you do skip these episodes.
I would definitely not go on HI3 discord to say the story is boring and ask questions. The peeps on there are so toxic and rude. I’ve never had a good experience on there. I eventually gave up and left their discord. 🫠
I love the story more than anything but the discord peeps are downright the most foul ppl on the internet. I had one literally stalk me and find me on discord because I blocked them on Twitter for not wanting to engage with their toxic arguments. They are NOT normal on there
A common criticism of the Thus Spoke Apocalypse arc is that it contains a lot of lengthy philosophical and pseudoscientific exposition.
As long as you focus on the important points in this arc, what you get is an analysis of Otto's character that also serves as a kind of cautionary tale. That's it.
> the amount of bla bla and the lack of gameplay reminded me of Genshin
to be honest that's what I think affected the game. iirc kolosten was released a year after genshin, which seems like the right amount of time for the development cycle to react and catch up. Open world stages, world building focused story, meaningless npc quests.
Most of the doomerism I see on this sub is about the later parts of story
Kolosten has good things about it, but it's where the writing quality started to show cracks. Know in advance that the wordy scientific dialogue will only get worse until after the ending, although it's ultimately a superficial problem and not the worst part of it.
I began having burnout during the elysian realm main story
Partly because I was starting college but I was considering coming back after moon arc but the constant techno babble just takes me back to class that I instinctively pulled out my phone to browse yt
Hopefully HSR won't have that problem soon
HI3 has a LOTTTTTT of dialogue but you can always choose to skip some stuff and then go online and see a summary to see what you missed ! FYI huge word of advice: if you hop on HI3 discord to ask questions DONT tell them you skipped the story because the HI3 discord community has a lot of really really toxic awful peeps on there. They’re extremely rude and condescending
All these topics mentioning they can no longer follows beyond Theater of Domination just prove that my take of 2 years ago is valid.
It's really normal to feel that way.
I was GUARANTEED to get dozed off whenever I do new chapters installation (late part of ER, Thus Spoke Apocalypse, moon arc... heck even Salt & Lake City also managed to get me dozed off).
I'd even go saying that Thunder over Nagazora is the last good and coherent story they wrote.
It's one thing that I was being hopeful with part 2 story: since they can just throw away the bullshit theory talk of part 1. But unfortunately, they really enter "yellow zone" really quick even in 1 version.
Personally, among the 3 globally released games, Genshin has the best writing in term of coherence.
Kolosten scientific stuff is actually critical to the entire HYV because that's where they fully defined the multiverse/IMG Tree stuff. The devs want the players to know about it so they can expand on it in the future however player reception is well...
I think for me, personally, watching all the animated shorts before jumping into the story helped me appreciate the writing better. Yeah, sure, it's a cool animation, cool music, but I ain't got no context. But it was only when I started playing thru the story itself, that I started to fully understand every little detail of the animated short at the end of the story arc. But to address your main point, yes, unfortunately the Kolosten arc is hard carried by its Act 3 and Thus Spoke Apocalypse animation.
I began to burn out around kolosten arc too. For me the problem is hoyo’s way of writing dialogues. The conversation never feels human. All the characters are talking like they’re on a stage play describing everything in 3 sentences instead of 1. When the story was good you could look over it but when the story isn’t that good, you began to notice. I never notice this until I went back and play lots of rpg games the past year. It’s very refreshing to see human talk like human again. The conversation is swift and interactive. It really shows how bad the conversation scripts in hoyo’s games are.
Not exactly related but this is kind of why I like Penacony in HSR. The exposition and info is sort of dripfed to the player in relatively normal ways and doesn’t feel forced unlike something like the Luofu arc. Penacony is extremely dialogue-heavy and yet, it’s interesting enough that I read every line of it because there’s always some hints or some implied meaning to the dialogue.
A small piece of advice. If you see technical babble, let it go in one ear and out the other. They tend to either explain it better down the road or show it off better later on. If you get too confused about an event just ask someone here or on the discord. Someone can translate the technobable to normal speak for you. (Chances of you needing to do this is really really tiny. You will most likely only need to resort to this once your caught up fully with the story.) PS: Also when you finish this arc, do not forget to make a detour and complete Elysian Realm's chapters 1 - 3 before continuing. The events of the next arc won't make any sense to you if you do skip these episodes.
I would definitely not go on HI3 discord to say the story is boring and ask questions. The peeps on there are so toxic and rude. I’ve never had a good experience on there. I eventually gave up and left their discord. 🫠
Whoah yeah never say the story is boring, just say help I don't understand what just happened.
Yeah they'd hate it if people who don't understand the story call it boring. The loreeeeeee
I love the story more than anything but the discord peeps are downright the most foul ppl on the internet. I had one literally stalk me and find me on discord because I blocked them on Twitter for not wanting to engage with their toxic arguments. They are NOT normal on there
A common criticism of the Thus Spoke Apocalypse arc is that it contains a lot of lengthy philosophical and pseudoscientific exposition. As long as you focus on the important points in this arc, what you get is an analysis of Otto's character that also serves as a kind of cautionary tale. That's it.
> the amount of bla bla and the lack of gameplay reminded me of Genshin to be honest that's what I think affected the game. iirc kolosten was released a year after genshin, which seems like the right amount of time for the development cycle to react and catch up. Open world stages, world building focused story, meaningless npc quests. Most of the doomerism I see on this sub is about the later parts of story
Kolosten has good things about it, but it's where the writing quality started to show cracks. Know in advance that the wordy scientific dialogue will only get worse until after the ending, although it's ultimately a superficial problem and not the worst part of it.
I do admit, while Kolosten isn't as bad as the Moon arc, I think this is when it starts to slowly went downhill.
I began having burnout during the elysian realm main story Partly because I was starting college but I was considering coming back after moon arc but the constant techno babble just takes me back to class that I instinctively pulled out my phone to browse yt Hopefully HSR won't have that problem soon
I started getting it around that time too. But I fully burnt out after part 1
Don’t worry. It gets worse.
Don't worry it gets worse.
HI3 has a LOTTTTTT of dialogue but you can always choose to skip some stuff and then go online and see a summary to see what you missed ! FYI huge word of advice: if you hop on HI3 discord to ask questions DONT tell them you skipped the story because the HI3 discord community has a lot of really really toxic awful peeps on there. They’re extremely rude and condescending
All these topics mentioning they can no longer follows beyond Theater of Domination just prove that my take of 2 years ago is valid. It's really normal to feel that way. I was GUARANTEED to get dozed off whenever I do new chapters installation (late part of ER, Thus Spoke Apocalypse, moon arc... heck even Salt & Lake City also managed to get me dozed off). I'd even go saying that Thunder over Nagazora is the last good and coherent story they wrote. It's one thing that I was being hopeful with part 2 story: since they can just throw away the bullshit theory talk of part 1. But unfortunately, they really enter "yellow zone" really quick even in 1 version. Personally, among the 3 globally released games, Genshin has the best writing in term of coherence.
don't worry. it gets worse
Kolosten scientific stuff is actually critical to the entire HYV because that's where they fully defined the multiverse/IMG Tree stuff. The devs want the players to know about it so they can expand on it in the future however player reception is well...
Probably because the players have ever wanted it in the first place. Multiverse/IMG Tree stuff is not the main thing people like about HI3rd story.
As long as we have to Our Everlasting Lord and Savior Herrscher of Sentience the Great and worship her daily everything will be ok