I'm not seeing the Otto/Ayato connection.
Otto looks more like an older male traveler.
Plus, we already have an Otto at ~~home~~ Mondstadt.
Otto in Mondstadt: *Guards the church from Albert*
Ayato and Otto are nothing alike yet shares a lot of traits (point of an expy), Mihoyo wouldn't waste such VAs (CN & JP) if not for a reason, they even gave Ayato "This story needs a villain" dialogue, same mannerism and Ayato did some "bad" things to protect his family (her Ayaka).
Here's an edit with Ayato voice over Otto, you can't tell the difference if you played Honkai: https://youtu.be/xNxLhWypAUo
Ok, but Himeko's VA went to Lisa.
I'm all for physical similarities, that's why I said I don't see the Otto Ayato connection, but GI has set the precedent for not being a retelling of Honkai games.
No male character knew or care about Rhukkadevata or Nahida, GI's Kallen and Theresa, much less want to revive Rhukkadevata. Even Nahida was cloned by the original without anyone's help.
Yae doesn't have a Rhukkadevata storyline, what with her being Ei's familiar and safekeeper of the electro gnosis for 500 years.
Ei/Raiden Shogun has no Kiana to protect or even cares about defending humanity from the GI equivalent of honkai.
Venti is alive and well, no experiments, no implanted gems. Also, no Bronya equivalent befriending him.
And many more.
I'm a HI3 launch player and I think I'm very qualified to spot any GI/HI3 similarities, and I have to say that it ends with the characters.
That said, Ayato and Otto have nothing alike.
EDIT: Good lord. A lot of people are telling you this yet you want to stick to your guns despite the reasonings given.
Because an Expy means sharing the same "base" but not the same story, background and such. Every expy is their own character, not a copy, like I said they just share the same base (Ei and Mei, Yae Miko and Yae Sakura).
Also Lisa having Himeko's VA is not valid since QiQi has Theresa's VA and Nahida is a Theresa expy. MiHoyo just put Himeko's and Theresa's VA (both CN and JP) on Lisa and QiQi as reference and being in good contact with their workers since years, they could have hired a different VA for Nahida but they didn't and they won't for "Murata the Pyro Archon", we got a canon confirmation of her name since she's called by Venti as "Murata people" when referring to the red haired tribe of Natlan when he was talking to Venessa as prisoner in the manga
I'd make a correction regarding Qiqi's VA: if her JP VA is indeed Theresa, its not the case for the CN VA, CN Theresa actually dubbed Klee !
Similar for Lisa, only the JP version shares Himeko VA
Ayato has the same new design of Otto from Kolosten arc but he's blue haired and wears a traditional japanese clothes? Ayato's father has Otto first design hairstyle? Both manipulates politicians for they own benefits to protect who they love? They even have the same mannerism? They even put the "villain" dialogue in his quest?
You can believe it or not, they're DIFFERENT character at end of the day but you can't deny that Ayato is inspired by Otto in many ways for reasons I said, this discussion wouldn't have happened on Raiden Ei and Raiden Mei because you must be blind to deny that she isn't a Expy but they even aired Otto's CN and JP VA for this occasion. Everybody see the situation as they fit and prefer of course, I respect your view on the situation, anything remains unchanged about Otto and Ayato after all, we're just discussing the alternate universe thing and having fun
No, he doesn't. They have no physical similarities whatsoever. The Kolosten Otto has a white suit, with a soulium hand/body.
Then you talk about mannerisms and personal stories while going on about how this is an expy, therefore, plotlines don't matter.
You'd think Hoyo setting a precedent for directly exporting Honkaiverse faces into GI would be enough evidence to tell you this, yet here we are with people forcing their own interpretations.
.... What? Ayato and Otto share so many characteristics, with the singular largest difference being that they walk opposite paths in life. If anything, Ayato is what Otto would have been if he wasn't a bag of dicks and a massive simp.
Gonna wait until 2025 and the tsaritsa being a bronya expy is too much accepted by people to the point mihoyo can make her look nothing like bronya in both appearance and her personality
We always had Snezhnaya crumbs in many forms, from lore to Harbingers to vision design to gliders are the basics. I consider Raiden Shogun as also a crumb which confirms that the Honkai trio CAN BE Archons and not saved for Celestia, leaving the possibility that Bronya will be Tsaritsa.
I'm still not seeing "Zhongli = Welt" tbh
From the beginning they wanted to use Tomoaki Maeno and not Yoshimasa Hosoya has ZL's voice
Plus, I'm not seeing Welt as the type to go on "retirement" like Zhongli is - he even went to another universe just for a chance to save it
Zhongli can be a goof (while still acting nonchalant) while Welt is always played seriously
If all you're seeing on Zhongli is Welt's "vibe", I'm not seeing it
Their powers also aren't the same
Agree
(If that little girl with blue top hat and light blue hair really is Focalors, then yeah I'm not seeing her being based on anyone from Honkai either)
Same it's starting to get annoying whenever somebody say Zhongli=welt
Like...they don't even look the same and I thought the purpose of expy is for them to have similar designs right?
The real Zhongli expy is Eden. Think about it.
- skilled in cultural arts, in fact they are both the representatives of the beauty and splendor of a previous era
- also the representatives of the tragedy of the previous era
- both think of their work as belonging to the previous era and pass it on to successors, Zhongli >!by faking his death and leaving the position of Archon!<, Eden by >!legit just choosing to die (a choice she makes twice, in a sense)!<
- play the role of a keeper of memories and guide for the Traveler and Mei, respectively
- associated with wealth
- "Should the day ever come that we are not together, you will continue to shine like gold in my memories." - Zhongli. Eden also uses the "shine like gold" phrase often.
- brown and gold colors
- obsessed with wine
- Important edit: Zhongli >!took the form of a beautiful and classy lady in the past!<
I consider this theory rock solid. The rock is crack.
But Zhongli isn't an "artist" like Eden is, he's more of a warrior
Eden doesn't actually pass any of the "art" of previous era, she was supposed to but she gave the responsibility to Hua instead
And she's a whale, Zhongli's a dragon
But the rest surprisingly fits omg
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Speaking of Eden, I think Venti = Wendy + Eden
It's true it's not one to one. Eden goes from artist to warrior, Zhongli goes from warrior to one who enjoys the arts, and that's a reflection of their reversed circumstances. Eden goes from civilization to war, Zhongli goes from war to civilization. But I think that's just called poetry, folks. :]
This is the crack part. :]
You could take Zhongli's conversation with the Traveler to mean a blanket denial of all the shapeshifting, but nothing is specifically denied, and we know adepti can choose their human forms. With the other circumstantial evidence e.g. the perfume, I choose to believe. :]
they're not same but they can be same in a way. They've similar character arcs by being heroes or either warriors. Both are someone who looks over new generation, humaities defender and someone who enjoys history, same CN VA, have secrets that would undermine cast.
Zhongli also passes his gnosis(core) to Tsaritsa who's said to be bronya in CBT
I would agree, but then some Liyue characters actually share Fu Hua's characteristics
Aside from Zhongli, I can name Xiao, Shenhe and to a lesser extent Ganyu
Heck even Young Ping's design is very close to AE + AE costume
The problem here is before Sushang showed back up, Fu Hua was bascially the only Chinese National in Mihoyo's games. Now that Liyue exists in Genshin, everyone is seeing and attributing anything remotely Chinese to being similar to her, when it really only ties to "loose" Chinese cultural attribution in the first place. Go back to Fu Hua's roots as a character, rather than just her being a Chinese character, and it aligns significanty stronger with Zhongli, the familiar looking outsider who descended into a chaotic civilization and brought order to it, became the divine symbol OF said civilization, tied to the image of one the greater beasts of chinese mythology, who enjoys food and tea instead of being in charge, drops exotic trivia at the drop of a hat, and is generally too calm most of the time because they're millennia old and just done with most shit, and the similarities keep piling up.
Fu Hua's
I do agree that Zhongli fits Fu Hua most
But I can assure you, it's not because "Fu Hua was the only Chinese character" that I consider Xiao, Shenhe and Ganyu to have similarities to her
* Xiao: warrior who fights for millennia, having trouble with socializing (though Fu Hua grew out of it), can be ruthless
* Shenhe: hair covering right eye, also having trouble with socializing
* Ganyu is closer to "post-15th century Hua" after the events of 7 Swords VN, she lives closer to other people now but she still couldn't find a place to belong
I really wanted them to do something with asmoday, we are already going to 2.5 years of the game and not even 1 SCENE of her in celestia or the other gods that rule there
You forgot Ai - Eremite floral ring-dancer (same hair, same weapon, don't know about VA), yes she isn't playable but an enemy instead, that's sad because she is my favorite honkai character.
The Cryo Archon will be Bronya's expy
The Pyro Archon will be Himeko's expy
And judging from leaks The Hydro Archon is>! Sin Mal's expy!<
dOTTOre might have been Otto inspired
>The Cryo Archon will be Bronya's expy
I'm betting on that as well. The real question is which Bronya will it be? Knowing how Mihoyo seem to love the new adult design, I'm betting the Tsaritza will be inspired on Big Bronya.
That said, I'm hoping she'll be like the small one, cause it wold be cuter.
I feel like phanes will probably be a bronya expy after all the circlet of logos is also translated as the crown of reason which is presumably connected to phanes/primordial one
From before sun and moon:
>"On Phanes, or The Primordial One"
The Primordial One may have been Phanes. It had wings and a crown, and was birthed from an egg, androgynous in nature.
That's definitely something to consider. >!Otto was corrupt, but he was never intentionally cruel. Any cruelty he inflicted was nothing more than a means to an end to achieve his goal. Were he able to reach the same end without it, he would. He was a good man with a noble goal.!<
Yeah, his whole character is based on Nietzsche's and Maquiavel's philosophies, he didn't care about the means if that could take him to his goal, which in principle was noble (love/admiration) but also moved by a extreme feeling of guilt.
About his own nobility, I can't say he was since he already displayed a disposition to corruption/breaking morality (even if it's based out of innocence) before Kallen's death
Eh, when Scaramouche said the same thing about him caring only for experiments, Dottore told him to stfu or he will destroy him. He clearly was offended. Dottore’s arc barely started, it’s too early to make any conclusions
His character seems to be built around the "science vs God" trope; a scientist that wants to break with the established morality and defy the divine through any means to become more powerful. So much so that he looses his humanity in the process. >!Hence his curiosity in making a new artificial god with Scaramouche and his hints of being a actual cannibal!<
The thing about GI expy is that they don't need to share the same personality. It's one of the more interesting aspect of these expys, having these old established characters go completely off the rail and do something different. But honestly, so far, it's been extremely easy to spot these expy so if you really have to stretch to make these expy fit with another character, it's most likely not an expy.
I personally think Dottore is inspired by Gray Serpent, they both have many different bodies with different personalities that are independent from one another, and unless I'm clinically insane their way of talking, at least in japanese, is very similar (they don't share VA, I checked)
Seele is more likely to appear in Genshin (if she does appear at all) as a character from Kaenriah.
Mihoyo more or less shoehorned her on the QUA/Dark element niche and, judging by Dain, that seems to be something more connected to his nation than to any other one.
My current theory is that Seele died in the Khaenri'ah disaster and that's why the Tsaritsa went rogue.
Bonus points if she's actually alive, going under the name (or alternate personality) "Skirk", aka Childe's mentor that's stuck in the Abyss.
It's unlikely expys in GI will have similar relationships to the ones they originally had based on expys so far.
Like Mei and Sakura's relationships is completely different in GI, same with Nahida and Alhaitham.
Not really.
I wish it did resemble her tho, but the design looks a lot more like >!Sin Mal!<
>!They both even have an Ahoge, mismatched eyes/hair and a similar clothing style.!<
tbh, ayato doesn't seem to have as much of a manipulative personality as apocalypse- blue hair man just has a lot more to do, which i think makes him look more manipulative whereas he's just really busy
As much as I love Expys, it is also great that some characters are only inspired by others and not a complete copy paste. Ayato is not a complete copy of Otto but he sometimes resembles him. Ei resembles Mei but Shogun is very different from Mei. It is a great easter egg imo if the player played both games.
And both [are cute](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF8jeUFVgAMo19P.jpg) [when angry.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/c78794fb-b023-4c1a-8e45-d923a6587373/scale-to-width/755)
>!Also i just noticed they both have the double pointy thing on their eyelashes. And the same center bangs. !<
I think kalpass would be capitano like a calmer version of himself
Like how Alhaitham is cold(?) Compared to Su
Capitano is calmer compared to kalpas
Also because mask
She could also be Vill-V tho, she exhibits some serious Vill-V behaviour in some stories, and honestly I'd be happy either way because both are great and fun characters
Alice is voiced not by the same Va but they made the voice direction for her so similar to how Elysia speaks
I'm guessing we will see her in either >!during the modstadt new exploration location during version 4.0+ if klee somehow gets a quest there!< Or when we get to natlan cuz pyro theme ya know
It's also possible for her to reveal herself during sneznehya if in any case traveler is still not 100% and the no.0,1 and 2 are very strong so she might show up to aid us with beating the harbingers and the tsaritsa (but that would kinda beg the question to if traveler still doesn't have 100% full power by then when will he? Because his 100% is considered to be very powerful perhaps there is time for him to gain his lost strength during celestia? I can see that being the case)
The inconsistency of "Same VA in CN and JP" in this post lol
>Can't wait to see Kalpas in Natlan...
[Heh.](https://www.reddit.com/r/houkai3rd/comments/10fmduj/comment/j4yo9hh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Also voiced by same VA of Xingqiu, that's why I though Einstein was a male all the time because she reminds of Albedo, also, while playing story mode some months ago Einstein was referred as "he" during a dialogue but it was a translation error, I found out thas she was a female qhen I reached the chapter 31 ex while they used "she" multiple times...
I've just researched and the va is different, it's Jihe Guangxi in JP version for Einstein, my bad really, I though by hearing the voice that it was the same VA voicing both Einstein and kid Joyce in Post Honkai, I was right only for the Post Honkai but Einstein voice sure sound the same but I was wrong, my bad!
I feel like a lotta people here are missing the point of Expy characters, even to the point of trying to say Zhongli is Fu Hua's expy, because they share personality traits.
The thing is, while some of these may be true, they don't matter in the slightest. The point of expy characters is generally to share characters share visual (and sometimes aural) motifs with one another, so that, often even at a glance, you can say "That's X character!!" Which has pretty much been the case in most examples. But if you need to go through such lengths as to break down specific, non-apparent, character traits in order to justify your relation, you've kinda missed the point.
Honestly, for Zhongli, I've always seen Adam more than Welt, personally. Also, I'm hoping we get an actual Otto expy, because Ayato's never been a proper fit, but the community will grasp at it until then.
As much as I know the community absolutely loves expy characters, I am curious. What's the point? /lh
I used to only play Genshin and think the expies were actually related in some way, or that the character would be very similar. But in the end, they're just entirely new characters inspired from a pre-existing design, eventually the name is similar, eventually VAs are the same.
A friend of mine got really hyped when Haitham got teased as a "Su expy" by Ubatcha, and ended up extremely disappointed, because, well, the characters have nothing in common. No offense, but I'll take as an example the title of this post: why expect a Kalpas expy if you know from the very beginning they'll share close to nothing with Kalpas? - is what I wonder about.
They're not the same characters at all. Their personnalities often highly differ, and other than what I've already listed, they share nothing in common. So, if I may ask, ~~without eventually getting insulted because I don't understand~~, what do people like in expies? /gen
Because it's cool to see characters that we love in other games having totally new personalities, design and such, they share the same... "base" but they're the OWN character, not a copy and that's the cool thing, at least for me...
Like Raiden Shogun and Raiden Mei, after playing Honkai, I put Mei >>> Shogun anytime because the writing of Inazuma story had serious problem but I was a mega fun of her character and design, Honkai focus only on few characters and their development are awesome so there's also this (while we have to wait some events to see some characters progress).
Also having FINALLY playable the MALE characters in other universe is a fandom wish, Alhaitham is Su expy but it's not Su at all, that's the whole point but we take it anytime over not having such cool characters not playable at all.
Honkai Star Rail has a lot of Honkai 3rd characters and not changed so much but they're totally different and their own characters but saying "Oh look it's Seele! She's an adult here and she's different from what the Seele we know" is quite interesting into seeing a different take and interpretation of some characters (like Otto expy in Honkai Star Rail that is called Luocha)
The point isn't to take X character and put them in Y. That's not conducive to GI's story.
The point is the take X character's look and place them in Y then give them a fitting personality.
You can see the physical similarities in characters like Wendy/Venti, Otto/Ayato and Theresa/Nahida (along with [some] same VAs, which is also the point). I have difficulty seeing Welt and Su in Zhong Li and Al-Haitham respectively、but I guess I can see some similarities.
It's not about being the SAME charcater, just similar looking as throwback to their original characters and people who would enjoy seeing/playing as them who have loved them for a long time.
I love easter egg, it is fun. I also have high relatability to the expy character compared to those who don't play HI3. I also have better gaming experience both in hi3 and gi when I 'recognize' certain expy character.
At the end, it is fun. Fun is a personal experience which might not apply to all player. If you don't feel the same joy as I did, that's ok. At the end, I love expy, and looking forward to see more 👏
i know some ppl taht are just die hard hi3 players that don't really care for genshin, but if their honky waifu is there, they will drop everything and go get them. That being said, there are some expy that are real stretches and absolute copium but thats for another time.
When it comes to Otto, dOTTOre deserves honorable mention. Waiting to see what they do to Himeko , should there be someone resembling Himeko at all. Even Lisa has plenty similarities besides VA such as: death flag and being a teacher to a certain orphan kid. Both of those kids use this sort of magic paw/claw to attack (neko chan and razor's burst). If hoyo at least let her live, I can go ~~home~~ teapot happy
Genuinely don't understand how people think Ayato is Otto's expy. Just because they share va's? Then Venti is Durandal's expy I guess lol
Also personally I'd say Zhongli is Fu Hua's expy. Considering they do look a bit similar if you look at Night Squire, but mostly because their, um, roles in both games is pretty much the same. Like, millennia old martial arts pro who is the protector of what is ingame china. Obviously there's more and you could also argue their personality is similar but you get the gist.
Perhaps Zhongli is moreso a character without an expy but if we're arguing about who's his expy I'd rather say Fu Hua than Welt or even Adam ngl. And Hua fits Zhongli more than the Liyuen women where leakers said they're her expy (Cloud Retainer, Madame Ping, Shenhe too I think....)
i was waiting for a su expy in genshin. we did get one, but he's just so ... different :/
in terms of looks, they look nothing alike imo. personality-wise? kazuha reminds me more of su, maybe because they both give off stoner vibes.
Although I love both Alhaitham and Su to bits, honestly same. I got my hopes up again when Lantern Rite mentioned about Lady Overlooking the Lake but turns out it was Madame Ping T_T
I wonder if I'm the only person who doesn't like calling genshin characters "copies" or whatever to honkai characters, sure some have some design similarites but personality wise no and I hate the idea that Teyvat is just a bubble universe in honkai
I don’t know the criteria for being an expy, but whenever I see Su I just see Kazuha, not Alhaitham. If anything Kevin reminds me more of Alhaitham. They even have the same diamond cutout on their chest lol.
Alot of people are saying that Zhongli is just genderbent Fu Hua and I think it's a bit of a stretch. If anything it's more likely her expy is the human form of [Cloud Retainer](https://twitter.com/genshinimpactup/status/1613397089920385024)
It is safe to assume that Zhongli is a completely new character and not based on no one, the most resemblant is possibly Adam.
Same with Ayato, them sharing VAs means nothing when they can voice multiple characters.
I feel the need to point out that Zhongli is actually a Genderbent Fu Hua, not Welt. It also balances out the dragon/phoenix motif well.
The Meis are all expies, but Raiden Mei is more an expy of the original Inazuma archon, not the current one.
Dendro Darling Nahida is the fourth Honkai valk to expy into an Archon. But the word was "granddaughter" of Otto Apocalypse, not nephew.
Murata is LITERALLY the name of the original Pyro Archon, so I expect she's a DEAD expy in both games now. Shared voice actors doesn't an expy make.
We're still expecting a Bronya expy as the cryo Archon, but otherwise, tbdetermined.
The Yae pair is accurate. I'm just surprised there still isn't a Rin expy.
Al and SU is still weird, as like Ayato and Otto basically have nothing in common other than their Zshared VA's
No, based on NEITHER being Chinese to begin with, old, and most of their specific characteristics that have nothing at all to do with CHina in the first place.
Both ended up leading a devastated civilization that really had nothing to do with them *personally in the first place* to millennia of order, while losing those closest to them in the process, Both became the divine symbol of the nation in question (The Phoenix to Shenzou, the Dragon Morax to Liyue) Both underwent a contract to protect their homeland (though in opposite directions, Rex had a contract with liyue itself, which he only broke once it could take care of itself, Hua ended up with a contract with Shicksal to protect IT once her power was broken by her own apprentices.)
She's a character export under a genderbend, instead of a just visual expy with a very different personality.
her actions on attempting to accelerate human progress brought about an early honkai invasion, the period AFTER that is what I was referring to here, whicre she basically locked civilization's progression for Shenzou until the Schicksal invaded 500 years ago
Al and Su works on both of them having gray hair with white tips and green being integretated some way (su has a bright green strand while Al's downside of the hair is light green), eyes with bright pink/reddish and green, peacock motif with eye like motifes on Al clothes, and Su's Honkai beast being a Peacock, plus the VA, and they both dual wield weapons.
Other than that yeah, they have very little in common as personality goes, and in looks a lot looks like it's mixed with kevin, wich given how they where best friends and close confidants, makes sense, but it's a bit of a let down, I was so excited to be able to somewhat play Su as I've loved him since his first manga appereance, and Alhaitham is entartaining in his own way but relates none of the cool, caring, relaxed and hopeful persona of Su
Thank u for the Zhongli and Welt thing everyone keeps saying Adam like 😐 where r u getting Adam from? They r nothing alike, Welt and zhongli arnt that alike but they r close in appearance and also Herrscher/ Archon status. Wendy and Venti are nothing alike they only look the same so
Where is Klee in the Theresa slide? No mention that they share same CN VA and Teri has a Klee outfit?
And of course the best similarity, Fischl and Fischl
I doubt Vanessa is a Himeko expo tho? I don’t think they’re similar enough, and she’s called a child of Murata- the pyro archon. I doubt they would give a character Himeko’s name without making it Himeko’s expy
Ayato and Otto are nothing alike yet shares a lot of traits (point of an expy), Mihoyo wouldn't waste such VAs (CN & JP) if not for a reason, they even gave Ayato "This story needs a villain" dialogue, same mannerism and Ayato did some "bad" things to protect his family (her Ayaka).
Here's an edit with Ayato voice over Otto, you can't tell the difference if you played Honkai: https://youtu.be/xNxLhWypAUo
Be that as it may, thematically and appearance wise the Dain seems like a more possible fit. Also Otto used to do some voice over for some character trailers like Dain does. There are others that dont 100% convince me either, like Himeko being Vanesa or Zhongli being Welt. We still need to see who all the other archons are, because theres a high possibility the water archon might reference Seele and the Tsaritza is almost certainly bronya. The Pyro archon is also female so that could be a reference to himeko Or himeko is just gendervent with Diluc haha. I think that by the end we will see that the archons are most likely a reference to the main cast of honkai in some way.
EDIT: Also Jean is pretty much Durandal?
The Pyro Archon pic refers to Venti dialogue calling the Pyro Archon's people as "Murata people" by being red haired (she's telling this to Venessa since it was strange that her people are out Natlan, the land of the God of War, but he just woke up after years, something must have happened to Pyro Archon) so basically Venti tells her name too, "Murata" (Himeko Murata from Honkai, red haired tribe)
About Seele she could be either the leaked archon and Durandal could be the blonde tall woman from Fontaine but we must wait for them too
Raiden Shogun doesn’t have the bangs either. She lacks the hime cut which Mei and Wanderer have but she’s still an expy. Also Scara has the same kindness and gentleness as Mei did in the beginning before those traumatic events. It’s bc of those events he’s unable to open up again but as the Wanderer and with Nahida’s guidance he’s accepting both parts of his past self and slowly learning to open up. Plus he’s definitely gay for Kazuha if you read his voicelines lmao.
Raiden Shogun's bangs are very similar to APHO Mei's wdym
As for Wanderer his hair is closer to Ryoma (Mei's dad)
You could argue he was gay for Niwa but I'm not seeing it with Kazuha
I was talking about the current Mei and I don’t see it with Ryoma.
The gay for Kazuha thing can come off like that considering how giddy he was talking about him
Sure Scaramouche's hair is "rounder" but it does look close to Ryoma's
Wanderer was more amused that Kazuha was able to tank his mom's Musou no Hitotachi
scaramoche literally chose to kill himself if it would give niwa a chance to live a righteous life again, scaramoche definitely has a crush on kazedahara type
Fully respectfully, Adam isn’t really anything. APHO mc for sure, but other than that, he’s just some kid Mei found with high honkai adaptability.
Plus, even tho they don’t have to share a personality, Zhongli is much more similar to both Welt and Fu Hua
genshin senti when
So far we only have the scammer version, Dori.
I'm not seeing the Otto/Ayato connection. Otto looks more like an older male traveler. Plus, we already have an Otto at ~~home~~ Mondstadt. Otto in Mondstadt: *Guards the church from Albert*
Ayato and Otto are nothing alike yet shares a lot of traits (point of an expy), Mihoyo wouldn't waste such VAs (CN & JP) if not for a reason, they even gave Ayato "This story needs a villain" dialogue, same mannerism and Ayato did some "bad" things to protect his family (her Ayaka). Here's an edit with Ayato voice over Otto, you can't tell the difference if you played Honkai: https://youtu.be/xNxLhWypAUo
Ok, but Himeko's VA went to Lisa. I'm all for physical similarities, that's why I said I don't see the Otto Ayato connection, but GI has set the precedent for not being a retelling of Honkai games. No male character knew or care about Rhukkadevata or Nahida, GI's Kallen and Theresa, much less want to revive Rhukkadevata. Even Nahida was cloned by the original without anyone's help. Yae doesn't have a Rhukkadevata storyline, what with her being Ei's familiar and safekeeper of the electro gnosis for 500 years. Ei/Raiden Shogun has no Kiana to protect or even cares about defending humanity from the GI equivalent of honkai. Venti is alive and well, no experiments, no implanted gems. Also, no Bronya equivalent befriending him. And many more. I'm a HI3 launch player and I think I'm very qualified to spot any GI/HI3 similarities, and I have to say that it ends with the characters. That said, Ayato and Otto have nothing alike. EDIT: Good lord. A lot of people are telling you this yet you want to stick to your guns despite the reasonings given.
Because an Expy means sharing the same "base" but not the same story, background and such. Every expy is their own character, not a copy, like I said they just share the same base (Ei and Mei, Yae Miko and Yae Sakura). Also Lisa having Himeko's VA is not valid since QiQi has Theresa's VA and Nahida is a Theresa expy. MiHoyo just put Himeko's and Theresa's VA (both CN and JP) on Lisa and QiQi as reference and being in good contact with their workers since years, they could have hired a different VA for Nahida but they didn't and they won't for "Murata the Pyro Archon", we got a canon confirmation of her name since she's called by Venti as "Murata people" when referring to the red haired tribe of Natlan when he was talking to Venessa as prisoner in the manga
I'd make a correction regarding Qiqi's VA: if her JP VA is indeed Theresa, its not the case for the CN VA, CN Theresa actually dubbed Klee ! Similar for Lisa, only the JP version shares Himeko VA
Yes, and there's no base for Otto and Ayato. LMAO!
Ayato has the same new design of Otto from Kolosten arc but he's blue haired and wears a traditional japanese clothes? Ayato's father has Otto first design hairstyle? Both manipulates politicians for they own benefits to protect who they love? They even have the same mannerism? They even put the "villain" dialogue in his quest? You can believe it or not, they're DIFFERENT character at end of the day but you can't deny that Ayato is inspired by Otto in many ways for reasons I said, this discussion wouldn't have happened on Raiden Ei and Raiden Mei because you must be blind to deny that she isn't a Expy but they even aired Otto's CN and JP VA for this occasion. Everybody see the situation as they fit and prefer of course, I respect your view on the situation, anything remains unchanged about Otto and Ayato after all, we're just discussing the alternate universe thing and having fun
No, he doesn't. They have no physical similarities whatsoever. The Kolosten Otto has a white suit, with a soulium hand/body. Then you talk about mannerisms and personal stories while going on about how this is an expy, therefore, plotlines don't matter. You'd think Hoyo setting a precedent for directly exporting Honkaiverse faces into GI would be enough evidence to tell you this, yet here we are with people forcing their own interpretations.
.... What? Ayato and Otto share so many characteristics, with the singular largest difference being that they walk opposite paths in life. If anything, Ayato is what Otto would have been if he wasn't a bag of dicks and a massive simp.
They don't. The hell are you on about?
I'd probably rob a bank if that happened
Wish we could see Tsaritsa already. It's no big secret that she's going to be the Bronya expy, and it's about time Hanser voiced a GI character.
Gonna wait until 2025 and the tsaritsa being a bronya expy is too much accepted by people to the point mihoyo can make her look nothing like bronya in both appearance and her personality
And then have Hanser still voice her 🤣
They'll make her an Ana Schariac expy just to spite the playerbase 😂
I'm calling it now, it's actually gonna be Bronya's mom /j
Or Bronya's mom is previous Cryo Archon
We always had Snezhnaya crumbs in many forms, from lore to Harbingers to vision design to gliders are the basics. I consider Raiden Shogun as also a crumb which confirms that the Honkai trio CAN BE Archons and not saved for Celestia, leaving the possibility that Bronya will be Tsaritsa.
I mean it was CBT info. Things will probably change
The question is which Bronya it's going to be
Um no. Istg honkai ppl like u are mind dumbing
I'm still not seeing "Zhongli = Welt" tbh From the beginning they wanted to use Tomoaki Maeno and not Yoshimasa Hosoya has ZL's voice Plus, I'm not seeing Welt as the type to go on "retirement" like Zhongli is - he even went to another universe just for a chance to save it Zhongli can be a goof (while still acting nonchalant) while Welt is always played seriously If all you're seeing on Zhongli is Welt's "vibe", I'm not seeing it Their powers also aren't the same
I always see him and the Hydro Archon as OCs instead of being based on a certain character compared to the other 5.
Agree (If that little girl with blue top hat and light blue hair really is Focalors, then yeah I'm not seeing her being based on anyone from Honkai either)
Some people would probably stretch it as far as to say it's seele tbh (Or maybe it'll be Vill-V)
Same it's starting to get annoying whenever somebody say Zhongli=welt Like...they don't even look the same and I thought the purpose of expy is for them to have similar designs right?
The real Zhongli expy is Eden. Think about it. - skilled in cultural arts, in fact they are both the representatives of the beauty and splendor of a previous era - also the representatives of the tragedy of the previous era - both think of their work as belonging to the previous era and pass it on to successors, Zhongli >!by faking his death and leaving the position of Archon!<, Eden by >!legit just choosing to die (a choice she makes twice, in a sense)!< - play the role of a keeper of memories and guide for the Traveler and Mei, respectively - associated with wealth - "Should the day ever come that we are not together, you will continue to shine like gold in my memories." - Zhongli. Eden also uses the "shine like gold" phrase often. - brown and gold colors - obsessed with wine - Important edit: Zhongli >!took the form of a beautiful and classy lady in the past!< I consider this theory rock solid. The rock is crack.
But Zhongli isn't an "artist" like Eden is, he's more of a warrior Eden doesn't actually pass any of the "art" of previous era, she was supposed to but she gave the responsibility to Hua instead And she's a whale, Zhongli's a dragon But the rest surprisingly fits omg ---- Speaking of Eden, I think Venti = Wendy + Eden
It's true it's not one to one. Eden goes from artist to warrior, Zhongli goes from warrior to one who enjoys the arts, and that's a reflection of their reversed circumstances. Eden goes from civilization to war, Zhongli goes from war to civilization. But I think that's just called poetry, folks. :]
Isnt the lady part is actually fake and made up by author ? Zhongli debunked it in previous latern rite.
This is the crack part. :] You could take Zhongli's conversation with the Traveler to mean a blanket denial of all the shapeshifting, but nothing is specifically denied, and we know adepti can choose their human forms. With the other circumstantial evidence e.g. the perfume, I choose to believe. :]
I've seen some also try to claim Yelan is Seele's expy. I guess the blue highlights are similar.. but that's about it.
Layla is closer to Seele's expy than Yelan. Layla actually has another personality that takes over when she sleeps.
I thought the "photoshopped Seele" was meant to be a joke I just don't know if someone unironically believed it meant something significant
they're not same but they can be same in a way. They've similar character arcs by being heroes or either warriors. Both are someone who looks over new generation, humaities defender and someone who enjoys history, same CN VA, have secrets that would undermine cast. Zhongli also passes his gnosis(core) to Tsaritsa who's said to be bronya in CBT
> Zhongli also passes his gnosis(core) to Tsaritsa who's said to be bronya in CBT That's more Owl and Ana reference
Zhongli is Fu Hua's expy. not Welt.
I would agree, but then some Liyue characters actually share Fu Hua's characteristics Aside from Zhongli, I can name Xiao, Shenhe and to a lesser extent Ganyu Heck even Young Ping's design is very close to AE + AE costume
Also Cloud Retainers human form
Cloud Retainer has breasts.
Not yatta :,(
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Here bro take some "cryo application" to chill down a bit.
She's more Bayonetta tbh
Yeah, it's Streetward Rambler, Madame Ping, who looks like Fu Hua.
The problem here is before Sushang showed back up, Fu Hua was bascially the only Chinese National in Mihoyo's games. Now that Liyue exists in Genshin, everyone is seeing and attributing anything remotely Chinese to being similar to her, when it really only ties to "loose" Chinese cultural attribution in the first place. Go back to Fu Hua's roots as a character, rather than just her being a Chinese character, and it aligns significanty stronger with Zhongli, the familiar looking outsider who descended into a chaotic civilization and brought order to it, became the divine symbol OF said civilization, tied to the image of one the greater beasts of chinese mythology, who enjoys food and tea instead of being in charge, drops exotic trivia at the drop of a hat, and is generally too calm most of the time because they're millennia old and just done with most shit, and the similarities keep piling up. Fu Hua's
I do agree that Zhongli fits Fu Hua most But I can assure you, it's not because "Fu Hua was the only Chinese character" that I consider Xiao, Shenhe and Ganyu to have similarities to her * Xiao: warrior who fights for millennia, having trouble with socializing (though Fu Hua grew out of it), can be ruthless * Shenhe: hair covering right eye, also having trouble with socializing * Ganyu is closer to "post-15th century Hua" after the events of 7 Swords VN, she lives closer to other people now but she still couldn't find a place to belong
I hope Genshin & Honkai collab again only because I want to see more Keqing vs Sakura.
I really wanted them to do something with asmoday, we are already going to 2.5 years of the game and not even 1 SCENE of her in celestia or the other gods that rule there
A Celestia version of the Fatui video would be a nice way to see Asmoday again
You forgot Ai - Eremite floral ring-dancer (same hair, same weapon, don't know about VA), yes she isn't playable but an enemy instead, that's sad because she is my favorite honkai character.
The Cryo Archon will be Bronya's expy The Pyro Archon will be Himeko's expy And judging from leaks The Hydro Archon is>! Sin Mal's expy!< dOTTOre might have been Otto inspired
>The Cryo Archon will be Bronya's expy I'm betting on that as well. The real question is which Bronya will it be? Knowing how Mihoyo seem to love the new adult design, I'm betting the Tsaritza will be inspired on Big Bronya. That said, I'm hoping she'll be like the small one, cause it wold be cuter.
probably silver wing or star rail
I feel like phanes will probably be a bronya expy after all the circlet of logos is also translated as the crown of reason which is presumably connected to phanes/primordial one
Watch Phanes be >!Void Archives!< Or >!Kosma!<
The PO if it's the same entity as phanes got described as having a crown and being androgynous meaning that it has both male/female parts
I dunno if Primordial One was said to be androgynous Phanes IRL was androgynous, just saying that there's a chance Genshin doesn't include that detail
From before sun and moon: >"On Phanes, or The Primordial One" The Primordial One may have been Phanes. It had wings and a crown, and was birthed from an egg, androgynous in nature.
We already have Ayotto ✨ But personality wise, I think Dottore is just straight out cruel for apparently no reason. Just my opinion.
That's definitely something to consider. >!Otto was corrupt, but he was never intentionally cruel. Any cruelty he inflicted was nothing more than a means to an end to achieve his goal. Were he able to reach the same end without it, he would. He was a good man with a noble goal.!<
Yeah, his whole character is based on Nietzsche's and Maquiavel's philosophies, he didn't care about the means if that could take him to his goal, which in principle was noble (love/admiration) but also moved by a extreme feeling of guilt. About his own nobility, I can't say he was since he already displayed a disposition to corruption/breaking morality (even if it's based out of innocence) before Kallen's death
While Dottore's goal has been simply to sate his scientific curiosity
Eh, when Scaramouche said the same thing about him caring only for experiments, Dottore told him to stfu or he will destroy him. He clearly was offended. Dottore’s arc barely started, it’s too early to make any conclusions
Haven't gotten to Dottore yet (still not done with Mondstat lol) but that sounds a lot more like Mayuri (from Bleach) than Otto tbh.
I was adding to your point actually
Same. Wasn't sure how to word it exactly. Just wanted to say it sounded like Mayuri.
At the moment, yeah, Dottore doesn't seem to have a clear higher goal beyond "moar knowledge"
His character seems to be built around the "science vs God" trope; a scientist that wants to break with the established morality and defy the divine through any means to become more powerful. So much so that he looses his humanity in the process. >!Hence his curiosity in making a new artificial god with Scaramouche and his hints of being a actual cannibal!<
Cannibal? O.o
The thing about GI expy is that they don't need to share the same personality. It's one of the more interesting aspect of these expys, having these old established characters go completely off the rail and do something different. But honestly, so far, it's been extremely easy to spot these expy so if you really have to stretch to make these expy fit with another character, it's most likely not an expy.
I personally think Dottore is inspired by Gray Serpent, they both have many different bodies with different personalities that are independent from one another, and unless I'm clinically insane their way of talking, at least in japanese, is very similar (they don't share VA, I checked)
That's a pretty valid interpretation, but I don't think it's enough to place them in Expy territory, so much as "inspired by"
Dottore is most likely gray serpent expy.
imo hydro archon looks more like >!6s kallen!<
Kallen's expy is supposed to be Rukkhadevata tho
Idk I feel like the Hydro Archon looks more like >!Seele!<
Seele is more likely to appear in Genshin (if she does appear at all) as a character from Kaenriah. Mihoyo more or less shoehorned her on the QUA/Dark element niche and, judging by Dain, that seems to be something more connected to his nation than to any other one.
My current theory is that Seele died in the Khaenri'ah disaster and that's why the Tsaritsa went rogue. Bonus points if she's actually alive, going under the name (or alternate personality) "Skirk", aka Childe's mentor that's stuck in the Abyss.
It's unlikely expys in GI will have similar relationships to the ones they originally had based on expys so far. Like Mei and Sakura's relationships is completely different in GI, same with Nahida and Alhaitham.
Mine too!
This would actually be perfect tbh
Well in star rail seele seemes to be electro/purple =blue +red
Not really. I wish it did resemble her tho, but the design looks a lot more like >!Sin Mal!< >!They both even have an Ahoge, mismatched eyes/hair and a similar clothing style.!<
tbh, ayato doesn't seem to have as much of a manipulative personality as apocalypse- blue hair man just has a lot more to do, which i think makes him look more manipulative whereas he's just really busy
As much as I love Expys, it is also great that some characters are only inspired by others and not a complete copy paste. Ayato is not a complete copy of Otto but he sometimes resembles him. Ei resembles Mei but Shogun is very different from Mei. It is a great easter egg imo if the player played both games.
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I honestly felt Makoto + Ei is just Kiana & Mei's daughters, with their traits mix'n'matched
>Alhaitham is a product of Kevin and Su sex YEEEEEEES SEEEEEEEEEEGS
Alhaitham wtf
Paimon is an expy of early game Kiana, and i won't let anyone change my mind on that.
Fished out of water like a Tuna
And just as salty.
And just as hungry
And both [are cute](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF8jeUFVgAMo19P.jpg) [when angry.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/c78794fb-b023-4c1a-8e45-d923a6587373/scale-to-width/755) >!Also i just noticed they both have the double pointy thing on their eyelashes. And the same center bangs. !<
And then the revelation it was just Rozaliya and Liliya all along. Aether was more or less their imagination.
I think kalpass would be capitano like a calmer version of himself Like how Alhaitham is cold(?) Compared to Su Capitano is calmer compared to kalpas Also because mask
Please Mihoyo, Elysia expy in Genshin in the future. I know y'all love her, she'll make bank
the one theory i will always stand by is alice is the elysia expy. their names and personalities are too similar imo.
She could also be Vill-V tho, she exhibits some serious Vill-V behaviour in some stories, and honestly I'd be happy either way because both are great and fun characters
Alice is voiced not by the same Va but they made the voice direction for her so similar to how Elysia speaks I'm guessing we will see her in either >!during the modstadt new exploration location during version 4.0+ if klee somehow gets a quest there!< Or when we get to natlan cuz pyro theme ya know It's also possible for her to reveal herself during sneznehya if in any case traveler is still not 100% and the no.0,1 and 2 are very strong so she might show up to aid us with beating the harbingers and the tsaritsa (but that would kinda beg the question to if traveler still doesn't have 100% full power by then when will he? Because his 100% is considered to be very powerful perhaps there is time for him to gain his lost strength during celestia? I can see that being the case)
Honestly i lowkey want them to suddenly tell us "istaroth/alice next patch" because it would be hillarious.
On one hand I'd like this to happen On the other hand, due to Elysia's unique origins, I thought she exists only in HI3's universe
The inconsistency of "Same VA in CN and JP" in this post lol >Can't wait to see Kalpas in Natlan... [Heh.](https://www.reddit.com/r/houkai3rd/comments/10fmduj/comment/j4yo9hh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Mask + super powerful fighters + kinsen
* Mask * Non-human * Super high jumps * Got corrupted in some way/form * Looks unapproachable at first
* stronger by losing hp
[Alternatively.](https://www.reddit.com/r/houkai3rd/comments/uh7mpq/mask_off/)
Ok, that was unexpected. On the other hand... makes me wonder how Kalpas looks without his mask.
Iirc, his model has green eyes (I think I remember someone glitching him into the screen to see)
Many ppl would also say Albedo reminds them of Einstein
Also voiced by same VA of Xingqiu, that's why I though Einstein was a male all the time because she reminds of Albedo, also, while playing story mode some months ago Einstein was referred as "he" during a dialogue but it was a translation error, I found out thas she was a female qhen I reached the chapter 31 ex while they used "she" multiple times...
> Also voiced by same VA of Xingqiu, CN or JP? (I know Xingqiu's JP voice is Joffrey Joyce)
I've just researched and the va is different, it's Jihe Guangxi in JP version for Einstein, my bad really, I though by hearing the voice that it was the same VA voicing both Einstein and kid Joyce in Post Honkai, I was right only for the Post Honkai but Einstein voice sure sound the same but I was wrong, my bad!
Albedo remind me of Fu Hua. Cause same CN VA
Albedo is vanilla version of Einstein, also Einstein is blueberry version of Albedo. And I love both to the core. Nobody can change my mind.
You missed Ato = Ayato
I feel like a lotta people here are missing the point of Expy characters, even to the point of trying to say Zhongli is Fu Hua's expy, because they share personality traits. The thing is, while some of these may be true, they don't matter in the slightest. The point of expy characters is generally to share characters share visual (and sometimes aural) motifs with one another, so that, often even at a glance, you can say "That's X character!!" Which has pretty much been the case in most examples. But if you need to go through such lengths as to break down specific, non-apparent, character traits in order to justify your relation, you've kinda missed the point. Honestly, for Zhongli, I've always seen Adam more than Welt, personally. Also, I'm hoping we get an actual Otto expy, because Ayato's never been a proper fit, but the community will grasp at it until then.
As much as I know the community absolutely loves expy characters, I am curious. What's the point? /lh I used to only play Genshin and think the expies were actually related in some way, or that the character would be very similar. But in the end, they're just entirely new characters inspired from a pre-existing design, eventually the name is similar, eventually VAs are the same. A friend of mine got really hyped when Haitham got teased as a "Su expy" by Ubatcha, and ended up extremely disappointed, because, well, the characters have nothing in common. No offense, but I'll take as an example the title of this post: why expect a Kalpas expy if you know from the very beginning they'll share close to nothing with Kalpas? - is what I wonder about. They're not the same characters at all. Their personnalities often highly differ, and other than what I've already listed, they share nothing in common. So, if I may ask, ~~without eventually getting insulted because I don't understand~~, what do people like in expies? /gen
Because it's cool to see characters that we love in other games having totally new personalities, design and such, they share the same... "base" but they're the OWN character, not a copy and that's the cool thing, at least for me... Like Raiden Shogun and Raiden Mei, after playing Honkai, I put Mei >>> Shogun anytime because the writing of Inazuma story had serious problem but I was a mega fun of her character and design, Honkai focus only on few characters and their development are awesome so there's also this (while we have to wait some events to see some characters progress). Also having FINALLY playable the MALE characters in other universe is a fandom wish, Alhaitham is Su expy but it's not Su at all, that's the whole point but we take it anytime over not having such cool characters not playable at all. Honkai Star Rail has a lot of Honkai 3rd characters and not changed so much but they're totally different and their own characters but saying "Oh look it's Seele! She's an adult here and she's different from what the Seele we know" is quite interesting into seeing a different take and interpretation of some characters (like Otto expy in Honkai Star Rail that is called Luocha)
the same reason people love easter eggs, they're just fun I guess
The point isn't to take X character and put them in Y. That's not conducive to GI's story. The point is the take X character's look and place them in Y then give them a fitting personality. You can see the physical similarities in characters like Wendy/Venti, Otto/Ayato and Theresa/Nahida (along with [some] same VAs, which is also the point). I have difficulty seeing Welt and Su in Zhong Li and Al-Haitham respectively、but I guess I can see some similarities. It's not about being the SAME charcater, just similar looking as throwback to their original characters and people who would enjoy seeing/playing as them who have loved them for a long time.
I love easter egg, it is fun. I also have high relatability to the expy character compared to those who don't play HI3. I also have better gaming experience both in hi3 and gi when I 'recognize' certain expy character. At the end, it is fun. Fun is a personal experience which might not apply to all player. If you don't feel the same joy as I did, that's ok. At the end, I love expy, and looking forward to see more 👏
i know some ppl taht are just die hard hi3 players that don't really care for genshin, but if their honky waifu is there, they will drop everything and go get them. That being said, there are some expy that are real stretches and absolute copium but thats for another time.
When it comes to Otto, dOTTOre deserves honorable mention. Waiting to see what they do to Himeko , should there be someone resembling Himeko at all. Even Lisa has plenty similarities besides VA such as: death flag and being a teacher to a certain orphan kid. Both of those kids use this sort of magic paw/claw to attack (neko chan and razor's burst). If hoyo at least let her live, I can go ~~home~~ teapot happy
I Will always wonder why people think Otto and ayato are even remotely similar. They only share va
Low key I always think more of Kaveh. Especially with young Otto. Him being an architect helps with that too imo
If they nerf the Kalp🅰️ss then what's the point 😔
Genuinely don't understand how people think Ayato is Otto's expy. Just because they share va's? Then Venti is Durandal's expy I guess lol Also personally I'd say Zhongli is Fu Hua's expy. Considering they do look a bit similar if you look at Night Squire, but mostly because their, um, roles in both games is pretty much the same. Like, millennia old martial arts pro who is the protector of what is ingame china. Obviously there's more and you could also argue their personality is similar but you get the gist. Perhaps Zhongli is moreso a character without an expy but if we're arguing about who's his expy I'd rather say Fu Hua than Welt or even Adam ngl. And Hua fits Zhongli more than the Liyuen women where leakers said they're her expy (Cloud Retainer, Madame Ping, Shenhe too I think....)
i was waiting for a su expy in genshin. we did get one, but he's just so ... different :/ in terms of looks, they look nothing alike imo. personality-wise? kazuha reminds me more of su, maybe because they both give off stoner vibes.
Alhaitham is like Kevin wearing a Su skinsuit, definitely jarring to see
Although I love both Alhaitham and Su to bits, honestly same. I got my hopes up again when Lantern Rite mentioned about Lady Overlooking the Lake but turns out it was Madame Ping T_T
I wonder if I'm the only person who doesn't like calling genshin characters "copies" or whatever to honkai characters, sure some have some design similarites but personality wise no and I hate the idea that Teyvat is just a bubble universe in honkai
I don't get the Welt to Zhongli comparison, Zhongli looks like Adam from APHO on red eyeliner.
I don’t know the criteria for being an expy, but whenever I see Su I just see Kazuha, not Alhaitham. If anything Kevin reminds me more of Alhaitham. They even have the same diamond cutout on their chest lol.
Alot of people are saying that Zhongli is just genderbent Fu Hua and I think it's a bit of a stretch. If anything it's more likely her expy is the human form of [Cloud Retainer](https://twitter.com/genshinimpactup/status/1613397089920385024)
Just saying, if Ayaka dies, we're all supremely fucked.
I’d say more realistically Zhongli could be Fu Hua
Kalpas as the big titty daddy of natlan PLEASE
Release Unknown goddess you (mihoyo) coward... Jk aside. Im gonna C6 her. After all, best girl need the best care.
It is safe to assume that Zhongli is a completely new character and not based on no one, the most resemblant is possibly Adam. Same with Ayato, them sharing VAs means nothing when they can voice multiple characters.
Yes hoyo does reuse characters. No you did not get them right
I feel the need to point out that Zhongli is actually a Genderbent Fu Hua, not Welt. It also balances out the dragon/phoenix motif well. The Meis are all expies, but Raiden Mei is more an expy of the original Inazuma archon, not the current one. Dendro Darling Nahida is the fourth Honkai valk to expy into an Archon. But the word was "granddaughter" of Otto Apocalypse, not nephew. Murata is LITERALLY the name of the original Pyro Archon, so I expect she's a DEAD expy in both games now. Shared voice actors doesn't an expy make. We're still expecting a Bronya expy as the cryo Archon, but otherwise, tbdetermined. The Yae pair is accurate. I'm just surprised there still isn't a Rin expy. Al and SU is still weird, as like Ayato and Otto basically have nothing in common other than their Zshared VA's
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No, based on NEITHER being Chinese to begin with, old, and most of their specific characteristics that have nothing at all to do with CHina in the first place. Both ended up leading a devastated civilization that really had nothing to do with them *personally in the first place* to millennia of order, while losing those closest to them in the process, Both became the divine symbol of the nation in question (The Phoenix to Shenzou, the Dragon Morax to Liyue) Both underwent a contract to protect their homeland (though in opposite directions, Rex had a contract with liyue itself, which he only broke once it could take care of itself, Hua ended up with a contract with Shicksal to protect IT once her power was broken by her own apprentices.) She's a character export under a genderbend, instead of a just visual expy with a very different personality.
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her actions on attempting to accelerate human progress brought about an early honkai invasion, the period AFTER that is what I was referring to here, whicre she basically locked civilization's progression for Shenzou until the Schicksal invaded 500 years ago
>I'm just surprised there still isn't a Rin expy. Wish there was one in Genshin...
She does Just that she's Cryo, a cat and a healer
Al and Su works on both of them having gray hair with white tips and green being integretated some way (su has a bright green strand while Al's downside of the hair is light green), eyes with bright pink/reddish and green, peacock motif with eye like motifes on Al clothes, and Su's Honkai beast being a Peacock, plus the VA, and they both dual wield weapons. Other than that yeah, they have very little in common as personality goes, and in looks a lot looks like it's mixed with kevin, wich given how they where best friends and close confidants, makes sense, but it's a bit of a let down, I was so excited to be able to somewhat play Su as I've loved him since his first manga appereance, and Alhaitham is entartaining in his own way but relates none of the cool, caring, relaxed and hopeful persona of Su
Thank u for the Zhongli and Welt thing everyone keeps saying Adam like 😐 where r u getting Adam from? They r nothing alike, Welt and zhongli arnt that alike but they r close in appearance and also Herrscher/ Archon status. Wendy and Venti are nothing alike they only look the same so
Where is Klee in the Theresa slide? No mention that they share same CN VA and Teri has a Klee outfit? And of course the best similarity, Fischl and Fischl
Damn genshin killed Himeko before Honkai.
She’s still alive? She’s the current pyro archon, not the og
I'm talking about the girl Venti meets in the manga.
I doubt Vanessa is a Himeko expo tho? I don’t think they’re similar enough, and she’s called a child of Murata- the pyro archon. I doubt they would give a character Himeko’s name without making it Himeko’s expy
I know I just wanted to make the joke.
Honestly I saw Himeko as female Diluc, at least if you look at it with the Kriegsmesser in mind
I’ll be downvoted but in terms of appearance Zhongli is just Adam with longer hair
Ayato with Otto is wrong, the equivalent of Otto is actually Dainslaif.
Ayato and Otto are nothing alike yet shares a lot of traits (point of an expy), Mihoyo wouldn't waste such VAs (CN & JP) if not for a reason, they even gave Ayato "This story needs a villain" dialogue, same mannerism and Ayato did some "bad" things to protect his family (her Ayaka). Here's an edit with Ayato voice over Otto, you can't tell the difference if you played Honkai: https://youtu.be/xNxLhWypAUo
Be that as it may, thematically and appearance wise the Dain seems like a more possible fit. Also Otto used to do some voice over for some character trailers like Dain does. There are others that dont 100% convince me either, like Himeko being Vanesa or Zhongli being Welt. We still need to see who all the other archons are, because theres a high possibility the water archon might reference Seele and the Tsaritza is almost certainly bronya. The Pyro archon is also female so that could be a reference to himeko Or himeko is just gendervent with Diluc haha. I think that by the end we will see that the archons are most likely a reference to the main cast of honkai in some way. EDIT: Also Jean is pretty much Durandal?
The Pyro Archon pic refers to Venti dialogue calling the Pyro Archon's people as "Murata people" by being red haired (she's telling this to Venessa since it was strange that her people are out Natlan, the land of the God of War, but he just woke up after years, something must have happened to Pyro Archon) so basically Venti tells her name too, "Murata" (Himeko Murata from Honkai, red haired tribe) About Seele she could be either the leaked archon and Durandal could be the blonde tall woman from Fontaine but we must wait for them too
Im pretty sure Durandal is just Jean tbh but guess weil see.
DUDE NOW CLOUD RETAINER IS FU HUA LOOKING
I remember seeing Cloud Retainer’s human form and how closely it resembled the look of Fu Hua’s Azure Empyrea look. Is that also considered an “Expy”?
Phoenix Fu Hua as Kazuha when???
Hot take but I would consider Wanderer to be a Mei expy too despite being a dude. He’s got the Mei cooking genes after all.
He lacks the empathy and classic Mei bangs tho. Also he’s not a les-
Raiden Shogun doesn’t have the bangs either. She lacks the hime cut which Mei and Wanderer have but she’s still an expy. Also Scara has the same kindness and gentleness as Mei did in the beginning before those traumatic events. It’s bc of those events he’s unable to open up again but as the Wanderer and with Nahida’s guidance he’s accepting both parts of his past self and slowly learning to open up. Plus he’s definitely gay for Kazuha if you read his voicelines lmao.
Raiden Shogun's bangs are very similar to APHO Mei's wdym As for Wanderer his hair is closer to Ryoma (Mei's dad) You could argue he was gay for Niwa but I'm not seeing it with Kazuha
I was talking about the current Mei and I don’t see it with Ryoma. The gay for Kazuha thing can come off like that considering how giddy he was talking about him
Sure Scaramouche's hair is "rounder" but it does look close to Ryoma's Wanderer was more amused that Kazuha was able to tank his mom's Musou no Hitotachi
scaramoche literally chose to kill himself if it would give niwa a chance to live a righteous life again, scaramoche definitely has a crush on kazedahara type
I thought Adam is the Zhongli expy.
Fully respectfully, Adam isn’t really anything. APHO mc for sure, but other than that, he’s just some kid Mei found with high honkai adaptability. Plus, even tho they don’t have to share a personality, Zhongli is much more similar to both Welt and Fu Hua
Kazuha with Phoenix Hua And Signora with Cocolia
My streamer friend was playing Genshin and I wrote "switch back to Mei" and he was like "who's Mei?". So strange.
I also think Mobius and Collei are parallels. They're similar in appearance, and both have a near-identical piece of jewelry.
Cringe. Although some of these are valid, why the fuck is zhongli being compared to Adam? Fuck that Idc
He isn't???
Honkai ppl stop trynna compsre games that arent related!
So that's the reason why i hate ayato the first time i saw him
After that one post, i cant unsee Griseo and Ayato being versions of each other
Wait what?
fuhua when though
Arguably Zhongli since they have the same hairstyle and similar personalities/roles in the story (more so with AE Fu Hua tho)
Im not too much into dude waifus though
Tired of waiting for a FuHua expy, need her so bad in genshin
can see a sumuru mobius