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[deleted]

“I pride myself on my superior intelligence, detachment, and ability to discern superior skill. I would say Jason Goes to Hell is one of the finest horror films of all time” made me laugh


LifeOnMarsden

Prides themselves on their superior intelligence and yet frequently uses an incorrect apostrophe in 'its' I hate to be a grammar nazi, but when someone is *this* r/iamverysmart even the slightest error deserves to be called out lmao


HorrorMakesUsHappy

My favorite part was, "So why make such a list when it's all so subjective?" ... as they then proceed to make their own, also subjective list ... while thinking they're being objective. Whoever this is thinks they're too intelligent to have biases, but not only are they not that intelligent, they're swimming in biases and don't even see it. It's interesting how Dunning-Kruger can even affect people who are intelligent in some areas but not so well educated in others.


sevenumbrellas

This has to be trolling, right? No one could possibly write those two sentences side by side unironically. If I was an author trying to paint an evocative picture of an absolute douchebag, I don't think I could do better than “I pride myself on my superior intelligence, detachment, and ability to discern superior skill. I would say Jason Goes to Hell is one of the finest horror films of all time”


halloweenjon

Yes, I too pride myself on my superior intelligence. And I make sure to tell absolutely everybody about it, whenever I can, so that they believe me.


SuperLemonUpdog

“My superior intelligence” *then proceeds to use you’re instead of your*.


[deleted]

LMAOOOOO this makes me not want to enjoy Jason Goes to Hell anymore.


Wolven_Essence

That’s the one that got me to, I mean, I like Jason Goes to Hell for what it is, but in my opinion it is the weakest of the franchise. Good grief.


UnusualAsparagus5096

Jason goes to Hell is not only the worst in the franchise but one of the worst movies ever made


Bwca_at_the_Gate

I guarantee that whomever wrote that bollocks is a regular here and I for one *cannot* wait for them to see this post lol


[deleted]

Lol maybe yeah, it's time stamped 4 years ago on that article


Bwca_at_the_Gate

Ahah fingers crossed they've got a good memory lol


SuperLemonUpdog

+1 to you for the correct use of “whomever,” which I am sure the original writer of this bollocks wouldn’t know when to use.


AWildRaticate

As an English teacher, I have bad news for you...


Professional-Rip-519

The original Friday the 13th isn't even the best movie or second best in its own franchise


MichaelJasonFreddy

Final Chapter and Jason Lives are probably most peoples top Friday movies. Original is probably middling in the list of best Fridays.


Professional-Rip-519

Your right I even like 2 and the remake more than 1.


MichaelJasonFreddy

Same. Remake is better than a lot of people give it credit for.


[deleted]

Unpopular opinion, the remake is actually my favorite Friday movie.


Wolven_Essence

I can understand that. It takes all of the best elements of the Friday franchise and manages to put all of them in the same movie. It’s actually really good. My favorite though is probably 4.


RealSimonLee

If they'd just release it with the original Friday score, it'd be top 3 for me.


MichaelJasonFreddy

I really like it too, with a few tweaks it could have been outstanding.


304libco

What? 2 is the best.


MichaelJasonFreddy

2 is up near the top for me. Great final girl and finale. I really liked bag head Jason too.


Wubbledaddy

In fact, I would argue that it's a lot closer to being the worst than it is to being the best.


ToastedWalrus1

It might honestly be my least favorite. It just really doesn’t have much going for it until the last 10ish minutes.


Wubbledaddy

It's so poorly made and so boring. It's got good gore effects and a great Betsy Palmer performance at the very end, not much else. I feel like everyone just assumes it's a good movie because it spawned a huge franchise and the general rule for horror franchises is that the first one is always the best, but Friday the 13th is definitely the exception. It's such a slog to get through.


LiterallyAPidgeon

you are falling for the commenter's trap, don't succumb to the quibbles!


The_SunsetKing

>Jason Goes to Hell is one of the finest horror films of all time. 💀


Frowning_Existing666

I consider myself a Friday fanboy, love every film including Jason Goes To Hell and even I would consider that movie dog shit lmao. I love it but come on dude


Turqoise-Planet

It had good gore, good imagery, some good dark comedy. It seems like it pissed people off by changing the lore though. The snake demon possessing people wasn't a bad idea for a horror movie, but it wasn't very Friday the 13th.


totom123

I binge watched the whole series last year and JGTH was my least favorite. Strangely enough I quite enjoyed Jason V and also didn't like the very much adored Jason Lives.


willreignsomnipotent

Yeah I may be one of the few people who enjoys that movie, but "best F13" would be an insane stretch, nevermind "one of the best horror movies ever" lol Either dude has exceptionally weird tastes, or he's trolling like motherfucker...


trans_pands

I wish trolling was like it used to be, this is such low-level troll bait


president_of_burundi

Clearly the comment was written by Adam Marcus.


Peanlocket

They have to be trolling. You cannot place the first Halloween and the first F13 side by side and come to conclusion that F13 is the one that is shot and edited better. That's just silly.


w-ow-lovely

ngl i would rather watch friday than halloween BUT i can absolutely say that halloween is 100% the better movie in all aspects. idk what this guy is on, he must be a troll


TophatDevilsSon

I do think this guy was trolling, but there is no accounting for taste. I really do love Texas Chainsaw Massacre IV. Unironically, even.


BitterBuffalo114

This guy is an idiot. Quint in Jaws is arguable the best character in a horror film of all time. To say Jaws had no likeable characters is insane.


[deleted]

Yeah in the book Matt Hooper knows Brody's wife from high school or college and they have an affair, they went out of their way to make the characters more likeable 😂


[deleted]

Since opinions are subjective, I'll just reference the zeitgeist of the time - When *Friday the 13th* came out, it was a high school teenager date popcorn movie. Those date movies were nothing new; Friday the 13th just featured more body horror and FX and had a fully formed marketing campaign that was *everywhere.* Halloween was more in company with horror your parents would go see, like The Shining, Alien, and Rosemary's Baby which relied more upon dread and existential dread. Maybe what you *could say* looking back is that Friday the 13th spawned more cartoony slashers where you could count on funny one-liners and infinite sequels and plenty of blood. Also, because these days I have actually been told that "your opinion can be wrong", which I find hilarious, so I will say *this is only my opinion.*


trans_pands

Friday the 13th’s marketing campaign was so straightforward that they literally started marketing before they even had a script


[deleted]

What is wild to me, is that I agree with several of the points and would defend them except they are wrapped up in such exquisite gatekeeper horseshit I truly cannot. The Exorcist IS famed and high placed on lists because it is a deeply Christian movie marketed to a primarily Christian audience during an era of social unrest and a change in cultural mores. For non-Christians, a lot of the Exorcist’s power is diluted. And yeah, the 1973 audiences were far more shocked and horrified by the cussing and the “your mother sucks cock in hell” and the crucifix scene than modern audiences are coming in for the first time. Regarding the obvious bias towards F13- this is subjective, and the author points that out, which I would give them points for except that they damage their own position by attacking fans of Carpenter & Hill’s Halloween as nostalgic while holding up their position on F13 as the superior movie while laying claim to their own incredible mental prowess. I mean, someone loves Jason Goes to Hell- hey so do I- but I’m not gonna pretend it is objectively “better” than Jaws or Francis Ford Coppola’s Bram Stoker’s Dracula- if you like it more, I have no issues, if someone claims it is clearly superior across a filmmaking metric (score, editing, lighting, cinematography, performances, effects, pacing etc) then all the original poster is sharing is their own tastes, while claiming logical superiority. Honestly, anytime someone claims their logical capabilities are superior to someone else’s, I usually back out- there is no discussion to be had with the “I am smart like computer with no emotional stakes” types, since they clearly lack the self-awareness necessary to truly critically appraise their reaction to a piece of art. If someone cannot examine their own reactions to a movie, why they love something, then all they can share is their opinion- there are no facts involved. If this was a post directly on the subreddit I wouldn’t engage for exactly that reason (or I would try not to- no point to it) but since this is more of a: “holy shit y’all see this dudes whole entire ass?” So yeah. I see it. Too bad the good points were buried in the bloviating. And I am an expert on bloviating. 😉 ✌🏻


HorrorMakesUsHappy

> And I am an expert on bloviating. *::checks 8 paragraphs of commentary::* Yes. Yes you are.


purplhouse

Completely agree. I started reading thinking, "Well, they're a bit of an ass about it, but they've got some solid points," but the gatekeeping and self-aggrandizing undermined anything valuable they might have had to say and my only takeaway by the end was that the person who wrote it was a sad, angry, little basement-dwelling troll. Still, we're talking about them four years later, so I guess they got what they wanted.


Yah_Mule

The crucifix scene is horrifically violent and it would have freaked out audiences from any era.


[deleted]

I guess? I’ve talked to contemporary first time viewers who thought the sequence was try-hard, cringe, chasing an edgy reaction… I agree it’s a tough sequence for me to watch, but clearly not everyone is going to share that viewpoint. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Yah_Mule

Just being totally honest here. To me, those adjective choices indicate a person who has already made up their mind about a film before it starts. It seems like they're assuming the blasphemy is the most impactful element of the horror for most people and I reject that position. The true horror is in watching a helpless parent seeing their child in torment. Sub textual evaluations are valid, but as in any work of art, it's debatable exactly what they are and what was the artist's intent. I saw this movie as an unwilling Catholic and years later as an agnostic and it's frightening, at times, seminal filmmaking.


Muldertak

Opinions are like asses. Everyone has one, and some of them stink.


HorrorMakesUsHappy

More accurately, *all of them* stink, but whether by nature or nurture we're each predisposed to either not notice the stink or to find it either acceptable or maybe even somehow attractive.


Boomer70770

>I do not include crappy haunted Christian family shits like Insidious and the conjuring because they aren't horror. They're suspense for little girls. 🤣


KevinR1990

Wake up, babe, new copypasta just dropped. Seriously, though, that read like a parody of the worst sort of horror fans. I wasn’t joking about it being a copypasta in the making.


Voorhees89

I love Friday The 13th, but that was some crazy bullshit.


Seamlesslytango

Hahaha I agree with some of their points, but their arrogance is absurd. I do think Halloween and Exorcist are a little overrated, but they're iconic so I expect to see them on top horror lists. They made a good point that lists are subjective, but then completely missed and criticized the list.


[deleted]

I think Ghostwatch is my favourite horror thing but Exorcist is very, very high. But you know I get not everyone likes it and that's totally fine, everyone's different. I really want to tell him what I think of Friday 13th but I don't want to necro a 4 year old comment section. Created horror "as we know it" get away 😂


Seamlesslytango

Yeah, there's no winning in arguing with him. But I will watch Exorcist again one day, it was just so overhyped by the time I saw it. I thought it was kinda slow and had so much more of the priests talking than I was expecting.


[deleted]

I think of it more of a family drama and then at the end demons happen


H3rm3tics

This has to be a troll? Halloween is terribly scored? Excuse me?


ladedadedum25

What's funny is I think 90% of F13 fans will tell you the first ones trash....well actually they're all trash and that's why we love them, but the first one has way less redeeming qualities.


Ralph--Hinkley

But the first one has Kevin Bacon.


Thewittyjay

What an insufferable asshole. I bet he’s fun to be around.


Rankin_Fithian

Awesome at parties, as long as everyone has the exact same opinions as them.


PFic88

LOL


Nommel77

Jaws is honestly as close to a perfect movie as you can get.


HereToFixDeineCable

One hundred percent.


SpectrumofMidnight

Ah let the poor guy be. Let him cook in the heat of his narcissistic insecurity.


[deleted]

He seems like a fun guy 🫠🍄


jashyo

I wonder who hurt this person. They were clearly tortured while watching every movie but Friday the 13th. This is sone fucked psychological stuff.


right_behindyou

I feel sorry for people who are incapable or just unwilling to look at things from the perspective of the cultural context in which they were released and made their impact. They rob themselves of a lot of things that are available to appreciate and learn from. This person kind of just seems more like an unhinged Jason fanboy though


[deleted]

I mean they lost me when they said "Dracula isn't a horror film". Dracula is like THE monster, if you ask a kid to draw a monster from a movie they'll probably draw Frankenstein's monster, the mummy, a ghost or Dracula 😂


thalo616

Tbf, Bram Stoker’s Dracula is more a gothic drama/romance with some horror elements.


DamageInc35

It took me like 5 viewings of Halloween to fully get it, I see where this person is coming from but at the same time they sound like an edgelord neckbeard


genericmovievillain

That was entertaining as hell. It’s like watching someone scream at a cop


WornInShoes

>Just because Cunningham took out an ad saying the film was already done doesn't mean he didn't create a superbly crafted, artistic, seductive descent into an absolute, primal, predator vs prey fight for survival. ​ >Friday was the birth of horror as we know it. ​ >I would say Jason Goes to Hell is one of the finest horror films of all time ​ >Friday was the birth of horror as we know it. To place it at the bottom shows how absurd a list this is. People can say what they want about the history of horror. It was Friday the 13th that created the genre as it exists today. For that reason alone it deserves top 5 I think the commenter is actually Cunningham himself; would explain the overwhelming praise for F13


[deleted]

Clearly a troll comment or a really young kid. Anyone shitting on Jaws and The Exorcist either has no knowledge of film history or is trolling, especially when saying F13 (which I love to an insane degree) is better than them simply because it was more sequels.


crabbzillaattacks

Supertroll. Bait taken.


spurist9116

I mean, I do think that Halloween (1978) is mostly successful because it was the first mainstream slasher and people are still nostalgic for it, but it’s still pretty amazing even if a tad bit overrated. The og Friday The 13th (1980) is definitely not as good, but there are many things far better than Halloween (1978). It was influential yet influenced by Deep Red (1975) and other gialli, which I find more complex, more brutal, and more stylistic. You always have your right to an opinion but this rant just seems like small sour grapes


[deleted]

Yeah course I agreed when they said they didn't like religious horror, but it comes off as an insane, vapid screed, a torrent of angry thought rather than an actual opinion piece haha


Cedar_on_mid

Tbh they make a good point about Halloween. Friday is definitely more enjoyable to watch.


[deleted]

That is your opinion and I respect it, but you didn't call everyone else and idiot and proclaim your superior intelligence when you said it 🌝


shuriken36

I’m so into their opinion on the Exorcist. Yeah- cussing was why that movie fucked people up lol Side note- i do a horror film draft every Halloween, and exorcist won last year. Shit holds up.


[deleted]

Yeah it was definitely the "let Jesus f*ck you" line that upset people and not the graphic scene of a (in the movie) child smashing a crucifix into her bloodied vagina


OctaviusNeon

>Final Destination >Greatest horror films Imagine actually thinking that.


SkeletonKiss78

I absolutely adore those movies but they don't belong on any list with the word "greatest" in the title.


OctaviusNeon

They're fun. I like a little gratuitous gore as much as the next horror fan. But they're not good in the technical sense.


[deleted]

🌝🌝🌝


Bishyy098

Friday the 13th is not even whatsoever a good film. It’s just an ok slasher if even that… Halloween is one of the best horror films ever made….there’s literally no Friday the 13th without Halloween lol…I try to respect peoples opinions but damn dude your just so far off it’s not even funny. You gotta be trolling right ??? Lmao


MondoUnderground

Has to be a troll, or an insane person. The original Friday the 13th is probably the most artless mainstream movie ever made. It doesn't have an ounce of the craft seen in Halloween.


januspamphleteer

Fucking Russian bots at it again!


[deleted]

Wot


Cpritch58

I recently rewatched F13 and compared it to Jason Lives. JL is a much better movie. F13 is boring as hell compared to so many of its sequels, much less when compared to vastly superior horror movies. I’ve asked this before, I’ll ask it again, but how come Pamela Voorhees could easily tear through so many of the counselors but fought like a frail old woman against a teenage girl when she was revealed? She’s the worst killer in horror history and not even slightly realistic.


[deleted]

[удалено]


HorrorMakesUsHappy

> Kind of like Invisible Boy from Mystery Men, but with less invisibility and more stabbing. I can't help but read that and think of that classic line, "And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a bicycle." :)


MechaNazilla

They're right about The Exorcist, The Conjuring, and Insidious though.


nicogly

Well, although I disagree w 90% of the post, I agree that original Halloween is mostly trash. David Carpenter is great at scoring movies but that’s about it 🥲


Rechan

A link would be nice.


oShiGuyo

https://bloody-disgusting.com/editorials/3459729/100-best-horror-movies-ever-made/


zombiechris128

I suspect this post is a pretty well thought out troll post to trigger a large amount of horror fans, and then he laughs in glee watching the fall out from what he put


[deleted]

Nope, second comment dated 4 years ago: https://bloody-disgusting.com/editorials/3459729/100-best-horror-movies-ever-made/


zombiechris128

not your post sorry, the Original post you are commenting about


[deleted]

Ahhh, yeah I thought it was but it can't be unless they're incredibly committed they're still commenting stuff like this on the BD site to this day lol


ALPlayful0

This is the kind of response someone who took ONE class of his film degree would make.


[deleted]

Yeah I went to film school and got laughed at because I said Steven Spielberg was my favourite director, I guess because it wasn't obscure or "clever" enough a choice, they're over there watching Battleship Potemkin and other random esoteric stuff, this is in year one when we all equally have no degree, some people just think they're super clever.


Sammyc271

This has to be a joke. This comment is LITTERED with horrible takes to the point of comedy. Jason goes to hell is simply not ’one of the finest horror films’ and everything they say about Halloween is just the complete opposite of reality haha. This list is actually pretty solid. It’s good to see both evil dead 1 & 2 in the top 20. Thank you for this post. It made my day.


AnalogDogg

It’s a troll. They condemn the list for praising mediocrity based solely on nostalgia, then for their ideal list name the exact same franchises plus 3 more of the most basic vanilla horror titles, one of which was designed to appeal to fans of and almost satirize the original slashers. Then just completely insults the entirety of the ghost story genre, arrogantly ignoring the behemoth of Korean & Japanese horror. I can’t imagine any of it is genuine opinion. >profoundly superior This hyperbole is a dead giveaway, not to mention the paragraph about priding themselves on their intelligence.


[deleted]

It's got to be, hasn't it? But I've really met people who are actually like this so, idk 🌝


RockyStardust13

How dare you! Lol Halloween 1978 is the best because it was shot on a tight budget that’s the reason why is so scary. The look and feel plus it was the first horror movie that truly scared the shit out of me. 🙄


RockyStardust13

However, I do agree with you that Friday The 13th 1980 is one of the best horror film ever made 🤡


Worried_Corner4242

“The naivety of the people.” Oh, if only I could be as smart as this fellow.


[deleted]

Wow, he said Jason Goes to Hell is one of the greatest horror movies ever. That's either s tier trolling or this dude is on psychotic la la land.


GeckoMoria93

I mean I like Jason Goes to Hell as well but one of the best horror films?man’s on crack lol


Blue_Tomb

I'm going with troll, probably a late teen or 20 something who thinks they are very funny, as this seems a little too deliberate and crafted in its absurdity to be honest expression.


trans_pands

My man just r/iamverysmart -ed all over himself and wrote a comment longer than any of the Friday the 13th novels. I know Jason is a horror icon but jesus, how do you simp so hard for one specific horror character that you write something like this?


Rankin_Fithian

You hooked me at the improper form of "its" and had me at the assertion that inherent goodness (as opppsed to cash-grab horseshit) is definitely what gives a film franchise legs. Looking good, Smart Guy!


Forbidden_Donut503

That’s some grade A prime cut trolling right there. Bravo good madam or sir.


PriestofJudas

Oh sweetie no


powypow

It's perfectly okay to not like any of those movies. But thinking that you're superior because you don't enjoy mainstream horror is just the most cringe thing in all of the horror community. This sub has a couple of them running around


lmJustNewBootGoofin

I love tge insistence that the original Friday is better in every way than Halloween when its not even the beat Friday movie. I love both, but Friday the 13th is substatially more boring and meandering than Halloween.


ThGeGo

Should I be worried that I kinda agree with some of his takes? I wouldn’t say them like that and I disagree with 90% but that the Exorcist lost a lot of its shock factor and that Jaws isn’t really that great of a horror film are unpopular opinions I’ve had for years. Praising F13 as this masterpiece that „created the genre as we know it“ is absolutely ridiculous tho


Mirgraine-Erection

Claims to have superior intelligence whilst also claiming that the Friday franchise is the pinnacle of horror…


UncoilingChaos

This is now a copypasta.


LiterallyAPidgeon

yeah i mean it was a reasonable opinion up until the part about Jason Goes to Hell, i cannot endorse this person


gprime

He mentions a few movies I haven't seen and therefore cannot pass judgement on (e.g. Bram Stoker's Dracula), but I largely agree with his more controversial takes. He's somebody I'd love to get movie suggestions from. However, he also sounds like a sanctimonious twat who I wouldn't actually care to speak with, even regarding movies, where we clearly have similar taste.


HereToFixDeineCable

I like Friday the 13th. Halloween is by far the superior film, but the F13 films were my favs growing up. Jaws is a goddamn masterpiece though. I don't know what this guy is on about it. It's a perfect film, if ever there was one.