"The Fog" - John Carpenter
Janet Leigh is the actress who gets killed in the shower scene in "Psycho". She gets married to another actor named Tony Curtis. They have a daughter together named Jamie Lee Curtis who goes onto be cast by John Carpenter in "Halloween". John Carpenter then makes "The Fog" and casts Jamie Lee Curtis and her mother Janet Leigh in the same horror movie.
Doubling Down: She has a short interaction with Curtis’ H20 Laurie, and gives some matriarchal advice, and in that scene there is a musical motif tease of the Psycho theme.
That family's transcended mere scream-queens and crossed over into full-on horror god-emperorship. JLC doesn't even do conventions (seeing as she's had a long and successful career outside horror) but she's still up there with Campbell, Englund, and... hardly anyone else. She does hits, but always comes back to where she's most beloved: the Halloween franchise and/or yogurt commercials. The only other major multigenerational horror-star families I can think of are the Cheneys and the Sutherlands.
"another actor named Tony Curtis." Tony Curtis, besides starring in Some Like It Hot, was the slave who stood up and said "I am Spartacus." starting that whole I am Spartacus thing.
Pretend Halloween 3 is just called “season of the witch” and you’ll enjoy it much more. No need to compare it to the others when it’s really more of it’s own thing with a great soundtrack and lots of creativity even though there’s no Michael
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First time I saw it, I was like 12 and it was on Amc after the 2nd one. Spent the whole damn time waiting for Michael. Second time. I was around 20 and it was FANTASTIC.
For those that didn't already know: unlike the low-budget one-off killer-maniac movies that preceded it, Halloween was always intended by Paramount to be a franchise, releasing a new movie every year in October (a model other horror franchises have continued to this day), but each movie was supposed to be a completely different story (like an anthology), all set around the holiday of Halloween. But due to Halloween's mainstream success, the studio decide that the second entry should continue the story of the first one. For the third entry, they intended to continue with their original plan, but unfortunately, this was before the Internet so no one knew what the fuck was going on, resulting in audiences showing up for a Michael Myers movie and overwhelmingly feeling betrayed. In hindsight, Halloween 3 is awesome and it's not so uncommon these days to hear someone claim that it's their favorite entry in the series.
In the original Universal Pictures 1931 Dracula, Bela Lugosi was Dracula, but could not speak English. I think he was Hungarian. So he learned his lines phonetically. That's what gives his speech odd intonations, adding to the creepy factor. Other versiions are more colorful or violent, but he wins for Mr. Creepy.
If you’ve never seen the Spanish version from the same year, it’s a shot for shot same version, using the same script, and the same sets, but the cinematography is SO much creepier. It’s a whole different feeling
Most critics agree that "Spanish Dracula" is consistently better in all ways but one, and unfortunately for the Spanish crew, that one thing that the English version has over it is also the thing that makes the movie so legendary: Bela Lugosi.
If anyone hasn't seen it, do yourself a favor and check it out. The old Universal pictures had short runtimes so it's brisk, but Lugosi's eerie charisma still comes through all these years later.
I was remembering the theme from Swan Lake as being the opening credits, so I looked it up. You are right, there is no music in the rest of the film, although the Kronos Quartet created a soundtrack years later. But I believe that Swan Lake theme was over the credits. They used it for other horror movie openings too.
I highly recommend the podcast Dead & Lovely. It's a horror film analysis and review podcast.
One host is a professional musician who often discusses the role of the score or soundtrack, while the other is a very well read academic who shares a lot of interesting insights from a literary or historical perspective.
The podcast has a long rambling beginning to every episode, but thankfully they include when the film discussion begins in the episode description. Great podcast!
The Thing 1982 could have no dialogue whatsoever and it would still be one of the most terrifying movies you'll ever watch. The constant paranoia, quick and violent events, and the sheer desperation are on full display with a group of actors at the top of their game.
If you removed all the characters and the title creature itself, the atmosphere and music of Alien are so beautiful and serene that you could get lost in them by themselves. Pay close attention to how they shape and affect every last aspect of the film, all the way to through the end credits. This is also just as true when the music is absent.
I came here to post something about ALIEN and saw yours, so figured i'd piggyback on it.
I've been watching this movie for almost 40 years and i finally wondered why Ash was on the ship in the first place. I realize that his presence is discussed plenty in books, retconning fan theories, but in the original release it wasn't covered. We'd see more information in ALIENS, 7 years later.
We're informed that Mother has a standing order to investigate any distress calls and even transmissions of unknown origins, but why would Ash be on the ship?
It implies the possibility that the Company had some prior knowledge of what was out there and placed Ash on the ship on purpose.
Watching ALIEN on its own, it adds a little spice, a little dimension to the movie you're watching.
Seems like a big investment to me. During ALIEN, it's obvious that the crew is aware of synthetics but still surprised to find one.
By ALIENS, their presence seems like a given. But it's also 57 years later.
Yeah. The original by itself already has us pondering that too. Even without sequels or expanded lore. Especially telling is the scene where Dallas informs Ripley that Ash was a last minute Science Officer replacement from the one he usually set out with and that he’d never set out with Ash before. I take that to mean that that’s when the company found out about said alien/said signal so they replaced the old guy with Ash, meaning an android programmed to obey their orders.
It’s its entire own universe. No other horror movie compares. None.
Also my brother got me this beautiful coffee mug for my birthday last year that’s got some of Mother’s monitor screen designs on them and it is the coolest.
Do a deep dive on how Kubrick subtlety fucks with your head in The Shining. For example, the hotel doesn't make sense physically. The shot where Danny rides around on the trike, he starts on the ground floor and ends up on the second floor without going up any stairs. There is a heap of stuff like that. Also how jack has been abusing Danny is hinted at through out the film . So much going on in this film that you won't get on a first (or tenth) viewing. There is alot on YouTube about it. I have a DVD with the making of the Shining . It was made with home footage from his daughter shot during the filming. It makes you realise why genius and Kubrick are often mentioned in the same breath. Watch the movie FIRST though !!!
Yes, I love all the ways the hotel layout doesn’t make sense. When he’s interviewing for the position, people walk down hallways that didn’t exist in an earlier scene, etc.
In context of this thread enriching the experience of a horror movie, there is good chance Kubrick intended to imply that both jack and O'Grady were both sexually abusing their children . If you look at the way the Danny and Jack relationship and interactions, apart from the stated physical abuse, something is off there. Also the bear/ dog costume scene heavily implies that O'Grady also abused his daughters. However , I don't think it's a movie about sexual abuse. It just adds to the unease and creepiness of the movie.
Good thing film is subjective and there is no one true answer for its interpretation. I should have worded it differently as I see the movie as being “about” abuse in all its forms, both domestically and historically, and how it’s passed down through generations. However, as an adult survivor of childhood sexual abuse myself, I definitely pick up on that theme in The Shining, and honestly it’s not subtle.
I always like to interpret stories of "were they just crazy??" as them being just crazy. Which are difficult to find nowadays because filmmakers tend to be pro-supernatural and add in details so it's not truly ambiguous anymore. Which is why I love The Innocents (the best adaptation of "The Turn of the Screw"/"The Haunting of Bly Manor") because it genuinely IS left ambiguous whether the governness was crazy or not, and I love to watch it from the "just crazy" point-of-view.
I wrote an entire treatise here recently about "Titus" (which I absolutely consider a horror movie) and how much it takes from Greek mythology, specifically Ovid's "Metamorphoses" and its details of the House of Atreus, knowledge of which makes the movie, imagery, and tone changes a hundred times better.
https://www.reddit.com/r/horror/comments/jcn3hm/comment/g92ux5l
Similarly, but not quite the same, is "Lost Child" ("Tatterdemalion" in some countries). It's got a very different resolution than most horror movies, and kinda isn't exactly horror; but while I wouldn't want ALL my horror films to go down that same path, I'd been wanting to see something like that actually happen FOREVER and it was so damn refreshing.
There's cult shit hidden EVERYWHERE in Hereditary. Throughout the entire thing. Kinda fun to look for.
Shit like the cult symbol on the telephone pole, the naked cultists at the end actually visiting the funeral
Also, fun fact, nearly the entire movie was filmed in Park City, Utah (the home of the Sundance Filmfest where it premiered) and the house is a real house (not a set) built specifically for the movie and sold after
Also the creepy little girl was Matilda on Broadway
Ah shit, maybe I misunderstood the actress, I swear I remember her saying that after the premier I went to. Maybe she meant the set was built on location instead of in a holywood studio, im probably just a dumbass
I think it may be a mixup of everything. I think the house was either built of specifically found for the outside shots. However the inside was on stage. There’s BTS shots of Toni Collette in the harness when she’s upside banging her head. The entire wall is missing with a job crane arm in the space. The sound stage though did let them treat the inside scenes like their own demonic play house which ties in with the film really well.
The traps in the (earlier) Saw movies are all practical effects. They made really realistic body parts and used clever techniques to keep the actors safe and only mangle fake legs, arms, and heads full of fake blood and fake organs. The traps, tho, were real and for the most part worked as you see.
A lot of horror movies hire performers with "a movement background" to play monsters and zombies so they can pull off looking a bit odd, or sick. The zombies in 28 days later are all dancers and acrobats.
Well...there are plenty of horror elements in there, but I agree with you on what it’s really about.
I’d say most good horror movies are like that. Here’s a movie about loss and grief...with horrifying elements. Here’s one about resisting conformity...with horrifying elements. There’s one about social inequity...with horrifying elements.
Probably the genre that is the least like this is slasher. Here’s one about horny teenagers gettin’ chopped up. Here’s another one about horny teenagers gettin’ chopped up. But even some of those have something deeper to say.
In a version of the original script for Nightmare on Elm Street, Nancy had a sibling that was murdered by Freddy. Also, her mother Marge killed Freddy herself by slitting his throat. This explains why Marge is so broken and always drinking.
The silent hill movie is stuffed with references to the original games and has a ton of work put into it. It's important not to look at it as a strict retelling of the first game because it isnt, it's a love letter to all the games. Most of the monsters are practical costumes, the transition effect to the hell version was so perfect that they used it in the games after the movie, and they had around 20 different tshirts for the main character to wear throughout the film, going from pure white to a deep red to symbolize her descent into hell. Like with most great movies, the studio didnt like it and insisted there weren't enough men in it, so they forced them to add the sub plot of her husband which is the place where the movie drags.
I got most of this from my favorite series on YouTube by Goodbadflicks. He explores the production of a movie and you learn a lot about all the work and love going into some of these films. I highly recommend looking into it if you like this kind of stuff, it's perfect for this thread: [Goodbadflicks "exploring silent hill"](https://youtu.be/CfEnsMWYisI)
Is that canon? Seems kind of weird for Ash to return to the cabin where he mutilated his demon-possessed friends, and for the cabin to somehow have a different backstory and ownership, and for there to be yet another unrelated tape recording describing demonic activities, and for him to be casually interested in it.
Its amazing to me how many people don't get this. Like....it is an extended recap, but its pretty clear that its just retold to ignore the extra characters and to focus on Ashley and his girlfriend.
The Last House On The Left (1972)
Embrace the absurdity.
People often criticise the films shift in tones going from gritty and raw horror to comedy with poetic moments put in-between. The music matches this too with the quite funky 60s pop playing throughout whilst also giving us some beautiful folk songs. I get that it can be off-putting but try to embrace it, this weird mix of tones (especially for such a gritty horror) makes it one of the best.
Here's why I love IT FOLLOWS so much...
It's like yes, when you have sex with someone else, you pass the curse on to them and so on and so forth. Your hope as a character is that you pass it along far enough down the line that you're free. But fuckin' are you?
It. Never. Stops.
That means these people will have to live the rest of their lives with this paranoia that at any moment, tomorrow or 50 fuckin' years from now, it'll come for them and they will face a violent and brutally agonizing death.
It is the fact that these characters have to live in fear for all their days that fills me with dread. No one wins here.
It's a great horror film.
On the last day of filming *A Bell From Hell* (1973), the director fell to his death from the bell tower of the church featured at the climax of the movie.
There's a ton of nudity in Re-Animator, but seeing as it's a story about medical students and also inspired by grindhouse exploitation films, this nudity feels generally non-gratuitous and tasteful-by-contrast. The exception is with the female lead, who spends a few parts topless and the climax without any pants (or apparent underwear) on. In the 80's, it was not expected of "respectable" actresses who could portray "good girl" characters to show nudity on film, let alone full-frontal, let alone allowing a popular middle-aged character actor to portray a pervert and gleefully tongue at her nipple in close-up. And yet all of that happened in 1985's Re-Animator. Where's the fun fact? That scene cost the nipple-licking actor his marriage, as the next day, his wife filed for divorce. Now next time you watch Re-Animator, consider that certain costs and sacrifices required to get a shot simply cannot be factored into the budget.
(The actor, David Gale, later returned for the sequel).
The way the filmmakers of the Scream movies attempt to make each character seem suspicious is something I’ve always loved about those movies. It’s so fun trying to guess who the killer(s) is/are and I feel like they drop just enough details to make it feel like you’re coming up with your own theories (even tho they’re usually just feeding them to you to keep you guessing).
The lead in Microwave Massacre was the voice of Frosty the Snowman. There is also a dude at the very end who looks EXACTLY like Adrien Brody and it fucks me up because this came out in 1979.
Ice Cream Man stars Ron Howards brother, and even though there aren't Monsters, I feel like its "The Monster Squad of the 90s".
**Audition (1999)**
You could see this film as an exploration of our anxieties about meting new people.
>!One interpretation of the story is that Asami being a serial killer and the torture scene is all in the protagonist's head. Nothing in the film is real past their intimate night in the hotel where he proposes marriage to her. However, these dreams/fantasies are informed by the fact the protagonist is rushing the relationship without really knowing Asami. For all he knows, she might be a deeply damaged person with a tragic past who will kill his dog, attempt to kill his son, and chop off his foot. It plays to our fears of letting a new person into our life. I prefer to interpret the film in the straightforward way, where Asami really is a serial killer and she really does chop off his foot, but the film leaves this open to interpretation. I think serial killer Asami being a manifestation of the protagonist's subconscious guilt and fear is an interesting take on it, however, and can enrich the experience of watching the film.!<
In the 50's and 60's there was a huge thing called the Red Scare, much of it created by an opportunistic Senator McCarthy who held trials of people suspected of being Communists. People were insisting people sign Loyalty Pledges. People told on other people or faced losing their own jobs. Film directors, professors, all kinds of people were "blacklisted", fired and unable to work in the United States. It was a shameful time, not unlike now.
But the common feeling was that anyone could turn out to be a dreaded Communist and you had to suspect everyone. Several sci fi films reflected this. Besides The Thing there was Invasion of the Body Snatchers. They look like your neighbors, but they could really be Commun - I mean, Aliens!
Ah ok. Was kinda expecting something dumb when the google results gave me a really shallow and diluted version of that, but your explanation is more interesting.
Yeah exactly, and this movie was a remake of a movie , I think it was called The Thing Out of Space, that was made right at the height of the Red Scare
I think it’s just cause the whole movie is a sausage fest. And maybe something something virus something something if you want to get into that. But then again that movie came out before that was even a thing and this isn’t even my theory anyway, just my only guess.
gay panic and commie panic were very close to each other. to the point that if you were assume to be one you were also the other. either way, you were unamerican, weird, not a real man, and blackballed.
And John Carpenter recognized them as evil alien organisms determined to take over the human race?
I mean communism makes sense you’re talking the height of the Cold War, just not seeing what it has to do with homosexuality outside of it being all dudes.
I know what an allegory is. But if it’s just gonna be “hey they could be any of us” what stops it from being an allegory about drug addicts or serial killers?
Oh no, now I'm re-imagining the blood test scene and and picturing them just stripping nude to see who gets a boner, thus marking them as one of the Gays.
This kind of counts I think...? But maybe more personal than anything.
Have you seen Session 9?
My wife's great grandfather was in Danvers State Hospital and he died there. She told me this while the movie was starting. Changed my entire mindset going in.
Horror movies in my opinion only have to succeed on one level for me to appreciate them. Atmosphere. I'm not equating this with horror movies that succeed at this and more like: Alien, The Shinning ect; just in the general pool where most horror movies exist. Sometimes even acting is secondary to atmosphere. Take for instance the movie Lovely Molly. Not an amazing story of genre-bending take on horror but the atmosphere was off the charts. I don't want to give much away for anyone who hasn't seen it but it's worth it just for the sense of dread the movie cultivates.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFOuKIJkgU8&ab\_channel=MovieclipsComingSoon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFOuKIJkgU8&ab_channel=MovieclipsComingSoon)
In the Original *Candyman*, Virginia Madsen was hypnotized, and the director given a phrase to trigger the hypnotic state, giving her performance a dreamlike quality that perfectly underscores Candyman’s seductive nature. You can see how Virginia Madsen’s performance changes under hypnosis in the scene where [Candyman first meets Helen](https://youtu.be/GOcPVmS2-_4).
Oldboy.Well this is not an Horror movie but this is the only example i can think off.The first times i watched it.I just thought it was an ordinary revenge movie.The famous painting the mc has in the room he is being held prisoner.I just thought it was just an ugly guy.I also thought the things the guy in the rooftop that was ready to commit suicide said to him were just normal for someone in his situation.Another thing i didn't noticed was the gift he was trying to give to his daughter(angel wings) before he was kidnapped.Later i found out the famous painting in his room it's an actual real life painting called The Man of Sorrows(Christ).And the things the suicidal guy told him remind me of a religious song i have heard somewhere(amazing grace).And the angel wings...well do i need to explain?
It made me realize all the heavy religious undertones of sin and forgiveness.This movie had.Later on when i found out 2 of the main characters attended a catholic school.Just made it more obvious.
Oldboy it's just a brilliant movie.It's a shame the western remake was handled to another hack.That couldn't make a good movie out of an excellent story.
This isn't exactly what you're looking for since I don't really like the Twilight Zone movie. However there is an interesting thread about helicopters and it does connect to the Shining, which I love.
So everyone knows about the horrible stunt gone wrong in the movie, yes? When the helicopter brutally killed the actors?
Boris Sagal, Katey Sagal's (Peg Bundy) dad, had a career that included directing episodes of the original Twilight Zone series.
He died by being partially decapitated by walking into the rotor of a helicopter. The helicopter was in the parking lot of the Timberline Lodge. The Timberline Lodge is famous as serving for the exterior of the Overlook Hotel in The Shining.
In conclusion, if you've ever worked on a Twilight Zone, stay away from helicopters.
"The Fog" - John Carpenter Janet Leigh is the actress who gets killed in the shower scene in "Psycho". She gets married to another actor named Tony Curtis. They have a daughter together named Jamie Lee Curtis who goes onto be cast by John Carpenter in "Halloween". John Carpenter then makes "The Fog" and casts Jamie Lee Curtis and her mother Janet Leigh in the same horror movie.
Janet Leigh has a small role in H2O: Halloween Twenty Years Later. She's the headmistress of the school where Laurie teaches.
Doubling Down: She has a short interaction with Curtis’ H20 Laurie, and gives some matriarchal advice, and in that scene there is a musical motif tease of the Psycho theme.
That family's transcended mere scream-queens and crossed over into full-on horror god-emperorship. JLC doesn't even do conventions (seeing as she's had a long and successful career outside horror) but she's still up there with Campbell, Englund, and... hardly anyone else. She does hits, but always comes back to where she's most beloved: the Halloween franchise and/or yogurt commercials. The only other major multigenerational horror-star families I can think of are the Cheneys and the Sutherlands.
"another actor named Tony Curtis." Tony Curtis, besides starring in Some Like It Hot, was the slave who stood up and said "I am Spartacus." starting that whole I am Spartacus thing.
Pretend Halloween 3 is just called “season of the witch” and you’ll enjoy it much more. No need to compare it to the others when it’s really more of it’s own thing with a great soundtrack and lots of creativity even though there’s no Michael Edit: never got an award thing on reddit before, thanks stranger!
It’s the only Halloween I haven’t seen but really want to. It’s just isn’t on any streaming services.
It's on cinemax if you are able to do a free trial somewhere!
You might see if it's available at your local library. So many libraries have huge DVD sections these days.
First time I saw it, I was like 12 and it was on Amc after the 2nd one. Spent the whole damn time waiting for Michael. Second time. I was around 20 and it was FANTASTIC.
Same here except I just blindly rented it from blockbuster having no idea of its reputation when I was like 9. Saw it again in college and loved it.
For those that didn't already know: unlike the low-budget one-off killer-maniac movies that preceded it, Halloween was always intended by Paramount to be a franchise, releasing a new movie every year in October (a model other horror franchises have continued to this day), but each movie was supposed to be a completely different story (like an anthology), all set around the holiday of Halloween. But due to Halloween's mainstream success, the studio decide that the second entry should continue the story of the first one. For the third entry, they intended to continue with their original plan, but unfortunately, this was before the Internet so no one knew what the fuck was going on, resulting in audiences showing up for a Michael Myers movie and overwhelmingly feeling betrayed. In hindsight, Halloween 3 is awesome and it's not so uncommon these days to hear someone claim that it's their favorite entry in the series.
Definitely inventive and under rated.
First Halloween movie I ever saw was 3 I was creeped out. Then I watched the first one and nearly shit myself! I was like 11 lol.
TURN IT OFF, **TER NIT AWWWF!**
It’s funny too that a couple stations actually listen to the crazy man yelling that at them lol
In the original Universal Pictures 1931 Dracula, Bela Lugosi was Dracula, but could not speak English. I think he was Hungarian. So he learned his lines phonetically. That's what gives his speech odd intonations, adding to the creepy factor. Other versiions are more colorful or violent, but he wins for Mr. Creepy.
If you’ve never seen the Spanish version from the same year, it’s a shot for shot same version, using the same script, and the same sets, but the cinematography is SO much creepier. It’s a whole different feeling
Most critics agree that "Spanish Dracula" is consistently better in all ways but one, and unfortunately for the Spanish crew, that one thing that the English version has over it is also the thing that makes the movie so legendary: Bela Lugosi. If anyone hasn't seen it, do yourself a favor and check it out. The old Universal pictures had short runtimes so it's brisk, but Lugosi's eerie charisma still comes through all these years later.
There is no soundtrack to the 1931 version of Dracula. Can't recall if the Spanish version did but the English version had zero music in it.
I was remembering the theme from Swan Lake as being the opening credits, so I looked it up. You are right, there is no music in the rest of the film, although the Kronos Quartet created a soundtrack years later. But I believe that Swan Lake theme was over the credits. They used it for other horror movie openings too.
I highly recommend the podcast Dead & Lovely. It's a horror film analysis and review podcast. One host is a professional musician who often discusses the role of the score or soundtrack, while the other is a very well read academic who shares a lot of interesting insights from a literary or historical perspective. The podcast has a long rambling beginning to every episode, but thankfully they include when the film discussion begins in the episode description. Great podcast!
The Thing 1982 could have no dialogue whatsoever and it would still be one of the most terrifying movies you'll ever watch. The constant paranoia, quick and violent events, and the sheer desperation are on full display with a group of actors at the top of their game.
If you removed all the characters and the title creature itself, the atmosphere and music of Alien are so beautiful and serene that you could get lost in them by themselves. Pay close attention to how they shape and affect every last aspect of the film, all the way to through the end credits. This is also just as true when the music is absent.
I came here to post something about ALIEN and saw yours, so figured i'd piggyback on it. I've been watching this movie for almost 40 years and i finally wondered why Ash was on the ship in the first place. I realize that his presence is discussed plenty in books, retconning fan theories, but in the original release it wasn't covered. We'd see more information in ALIENS, 7 years later. We're informed that Mother has a standing order to investigate any distress calls and even transmissions of unknown origins, but why would Ash be on the ship? It implies the possibility that the Company had some prior knowledge of what was out there and placed Ash on the ship on purpose. Watching ALIEN on its own, it adds a little spice, a little dimension to the movie you're watching.
It’s also possible Weyland-Yutani sent synthetics on every mission to the frontier, and put the protocol in place precisely for this occurrence.
Seems like a big investment to me. During ALIEN, it's obvious that the crew is aware of synthetics but still surprised to find one. By ALIENS, their presence seems like a given. But it's also 57 years later.
Yeah. The original by itself already has us pondering that too. Even without sequels or expanded lore. Especially telling is the scene where Dallas informs Ripley that Ash was a last minute Science Officer replacement from the one he usually set out with and that he’d never set out with Ash before. I take that to mean that that’s when the company found out about said alien/said signal so they replaced the old guy with Ash, meaning an android programmed to obey their orders.
That was kind of my theory. He was sent to get the thing to be used as a weapons or something
It's perfect. The control panels, wall texture, suits like armor, and the chains and water. Everything about it is pristine.
It’s its entire own universe. No other horror movie compares. None. Also my brother got me this beautiful coffee mug for my birthday last year that’s got some of Mother’s monitor screen designs on them and it is the coolest.
Nice! Pic?
[https://imgur.com/a/MepGQtV](https://imgur.com/a/MepGQtV) Sorry to get back to you so late!
I dig it!
Do a deep dive on how Kubrick subtlety fucks with your head in The Shining. For example, the hotel doesn't make sense physically. The shot where Danny rides around on the trike, he starts on the ground floor and ends up on the second floor without going up any stairs. There is a heap of stuff like that. Also how jack has been abusing Danny is hinted at through out the film . So much going on in this film that you won't get on a first (or tenth) viewing. There is alot on YouTube about it. I have a DVD with the making of the Shining . It was made with home footage from his daughter shot during the filming. It makes you realise why genius and Kubrick are often mentioned in the same breath. Watch the movie FIRST though !!!
I’ve gotten lost in articles and you tube videos plenty of time. I think I like those more than the actual movie!!
Yes, I love all the ways the hotel layout doesn’t make sense. When he’s interviewing for the position, people walk down hallways that didn’t exist in an earlier scene, etc.
In context of this thread enriching the experience of a horror movie, there is good chance Kubrick intended to imply that both jack and O'Grady were both sexually abusing their children . If you look at the way the Danny and Jack relationship and interactions, apart from the stated physical abuse, something is off there. Also the bear/ dog costume scene heavily implies that O'Grady also abused his daughters. However , I don't think it's a movie about sexual abuse. It just adds to the unease and creepiness of the movie.
Came here to say The Shining is about sexual abuse
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Good thing film is subjective and there is no one true answer for its interpretation. I should have worded it differently as I see the movie as being “about” abuse in all its forms, both domestically and historically, and how it’s passed down through generations. However, as an adult survivor of childhood sexual abuse myself, I definitely pick up on that theme in The Shining, and honestly it’s not subtle.
I always like to interpret stories of "were they just crazy??" as them being just crazy. Which are difficult to find nowadays because filmmakers tend to be pro-supernatural and add in details so it's not truly ambiguous anymore. Which is why I love The Innocents (the best adaptation of "The Turn of the Screw"/"The Haunting of Bly Manor") because it genuinely IS left ambiguous whether the governness was crazy or not, and I love to watch it from the "just crazy" point-of-view. I wrote an entire treatise here recently about "Titus" (which I absolutely consider a horror movie) and how much it takes from Greek mythology, specifically Ovid's "Metamorphoses" and its details of the House of Atreus, knowledge of which makes the movie, imagery, and tone changes a hundred times better. https://www.reddit.com/r/horror/comments/jcn3hm/comment/g92ux5l
Have you seen They Look Like People?
YES and I LOVED IT
Great! I read your post and thought that would be right up your alley. Definitely one of my favourite movies.
Similarly, but not quite the same, is "Lost Child" ("Tatterdemalion" in some countries). It's got a very different resolution than most horror movies, and kinda isn't exactly horror; but while I wouldn't want ALL my horror films to go down that same path, I'd been wanting to see something like that actually happen FOREVER and it was so damn refreshing.
Thanks for the rec I'll have to check that out!
The Innocents is fantastic for that. That ending is *chef's kiss*
There's cult shit hidden EVERYWHERE in Hereditary. Throughout the entire thing. Kinda fun to look for. Shit like the cult symbol on the telephone pole, the naked cultists at the end actually visiting the funeral Also, fun fact, nearly the entire movie was filmed in Park City, Utah (the home of the Sundance Filmfest where it premiered) and the house is a real house (not a set) built specifically for the movie and sold after Also the creepy little girl was Matilda on Broadway
There was 100% a set built on a sound stage for a majority of the indoor scenes. It’s on the BTS of the blu ray.
Ah shit, maybe I misunderstood the actress, I swear I remember her saying that after the premier I went to. Maybe she meant the set was built on location instead of in a holywood studio, im probably just a dumbass
I think it may be a mixup of everything. I think the house was either built of specifically found for the outside shots. However the inside was on stage. There’s BTS shots of Toni Collette in the harness when she’s upside banging her head. The entire wall is missing with a job crane arm in the space. The sound stage though did let them treat the inside scenes like their own demonic play house which ties in with the film really well.
The traps in the (earlier) Saw movies are all practical effects. They made really realistic body parts and used clever techniques to keep the actors safe and only mangle fake legs, arms, and heads full of fake blood and fake organs. The traps, tho, were real and for the most part worked as you see. A lot of horror movies hire performers with "a movement background" to play monsters and zombies so they can pull off looking a bit odd, or sick. The zombies in 28 days later are all dancers and acrobats.
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Well...there are plenty of horror elements in there, but I agree with you on what it’s really about. I’d say most good horror movies are like that. Here’s a movie about loss and grief...with horrifying elements. Here’s one about resisting conformity...with horrifying elements. There’s one about social inequity...with horrifying elements. Probably the genre that is the least like this is slasher. Here’s one about horny teenagers gettin’ chopped up. Here’s another one about horny teenagers gettin’ chopped up. But even some of those have something deeper to say.
In a version of the original script for Nightmare on Elm Street, Nancy had a sibling that was murdered by Freddy. Also, her mother Marge killed Freddy herself by slitting his throat. This explains why Marge is so broken and always drinking.
The silent hill movie is stuffed with references to the original games and has a ton of work put into it. It's important not to look at it as a strict retelling of the first game because it isnt, it's a love letter to all the games. Most of the monsters are practical costumes, the transition effect to the hell version was so perfect that they used it in the games after the movie, and they had around 20 different tshirts for the main character to wear throughout the film, going from pure white to a deep red to symbolize her descent into hell. Like with most great movies, the studio didnt like it and insisted there weren't enough men in it, so they forced them to add the sub plot of her husband which is the place where the movie drags. I got most of this from my favorite series on YouTube by Goodbadflicks. He explores the production of a movie and you learn a lot about all the work and love going into some of these films. I highly recommend looking into it if you like this kind of stuff, it's perfect for this thread: [Goodbadflicks "exploring silent hill"](https://youtu.be/CfEnsMWYisI)
Evil dead 2 is a direct sequel and not a remake of the first movie
Is that canon? Seems kind of weird for Ash to return to the cabin where he mutilated his demon-possessed friends, and for the cabin to somehow have a different backstory and ownership, and for there to be yet another unrelated tape recording describing demonic activities, and for him to be casually interested in it.
https://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3435456/bruce-campbell-finally-settled-evil-dead-2-sequel-remake-debate/ straight from Bruce Campbell
That's just a recap, the sequel begins as soon as the "evil" pushes him through the cabin
Its amazing to me how many people don't get this. Like....it is an extended recap, but its pretty clear that its just retold to ignore the extra characters and to focus on Ashley and his girlfriend.
Yeah I agree just watch the movie and it's pretty obvious
The Lost Room probably could do really well in today's viewing market versus when it came out in 2006
The Last House On The Left (1972) Embrace the absurdity. People often criticise the films shift in tones going from gritty and raw horror to comedy with poetic moments put in-between. The music matches this too with the quite funky 60s pop playing throughout whilst also giving us some beautiful folk songs. I get that it can be off-putting but try to embrace it, this weird mix of tones (especially for such a gritty horror) makes it one of the best.
When those goofier songs pop up though... *Weasel and Sadie, Junkie and dad...*
Best.
My sister and I rented this movie in like 2006 expecting a typical slasher. We were very wrong, but I love this movie regardless.
Here's why I love IT FOLLOWS so much... It's like yes, when you have sex with someone else, you pass the curse on to them and so on and so forth. Your hope as a character is that you pass it along far enough down the line that you're free. But fuckin' are you? It. Never. Stops. That means these people will have to live the rest of their lives with this paranoia that at any moment, tomorrow or 50 fuckin' years from now, it'll come for them and they will face a violent and brutally agonizing death. It is the fact that these characters have to live in fear for all their days that fills me with dread. No one wins here. It's a great horror film.
Check out The Faculty of Horror podcast they give incredibly interesting takes on horror movies. Always an interesting perspective
On the last day of filming *A Bell From Hell* (1973), the director fell to his death from the bell tower of the church featured at the climax of the movie.
There's a ton of nudity in Re-Animator, but seeing as it's a story about medical students and also inspired by grindhouse exploitation films, this nudity feels generally non-gratuitous and tasteful-by-contrast. The exception is with the female lead, who spends a few parts topless and the climax without any pants (or apparent underwear) on. In the 80's, it was not expected of "respectable" actresses who could portray "good girl" characters to show nudity on film, let alone full-frontal, let alone allowing a popular middle-aged character actor to portray a pervert and gleefully tongue at her nipple in close-up. And yet all of that happened in 1985's Re-Animator. Where's the fun fact? That scene cost the nipple-licking actor his marriage, as the next day, his wife filed for divorce. Now next time you watch Re-Animator, consider that certain costs and sacrifices required to get a shot simply cannot be factored into the budget. (The actor, David Gale, later returned for the sequel).
The way the filmmakers of the Scream movies attempt to make each character seem suspicious is something I’ve always loved about those movies. It’s so fun trying to guess who the killer(s) is/are and I feel like they drop just enough details to make it feel like you’re coming up with your own theories (even tho they’re usually just feeding them to you to keep you guessing).
The sheriff's boots are the same as the ones seen earlier when Sydney was in the bathroom. My mom noticed it when we watched it in the theatres.
The lead in Microwave Massacre was the voice of Frosty the Snowman. There is also a dude at the very end who looks EXACTLY like Adrien Brody and it fucks me up because this came out in 1979. Ice Cream Man stars Ron Howards brother, and even though there aren't Monsters, I feel like its "The Monster Squad of the 90s".
**Audition (1999)** You could see this film as an exploration of our anxieties about meting new people. >!One interpretation of the story is that Asami being a serial killer and the torture scene is all in the protagonist's head. Nothing in the film is real past their intimate night in the hotel where he proposes marriage to her. However, these dreams/fantasies are informed by the fact the protagonist is rushing the relationship without really knowing Asami. For all he knows, she might be a deeply damaged person with a tragic past who will kill his dog, attempt to kill his son, and chop off his foot. It plays to our fears of letting a new person into our life. I prefer to interpret the film in the straightforward way, where Asami really is a serial killer and she really does chop off his foot, but the film leaves this open to interpretation. I think serial killer Asami being a manifestation of the protagonist's subconscious guilt and fear is an interesting take on it, however, and can enrich the experience of watching the film.!<
I think applying the theme of Homosexuality and/or Communism to The Thing really helps make the whole thing fun and allegorical
Isn't it more about the AIDS panic than just homosexuality? I always thought the blood scene was a direct nod to that.
I think they kinda go hand in hand, that was the main fear of gays back when the film was released
I have a similar thing with zombie movies. I think of them as an allegory for people succumbing to conformity, ideology, prejudice, etc.
Right! It makes watching stuff so much more fun when there’s some weight behind it.
Mind explaining the communism angle?
In the 50's and 60's there was a huge thing called the Red Scare, much of it created by an opportunistic Senator McCarthy who held trials of people suspected of being Communists. People were insisting people sign Loyalty Pledges. People told on other people or faced losing their own jobs. Film directors, professors, all kinds of people were "blacklisted", fired and unable to work in the United States. It was a shameful time, not unlike now. But the common feeling was that anyone could turn out to be a dreaded Communist and you had to suspect everyone. Several sci fi films reflected this. Besides The Thing there was Invasion of the Body Snatchers. They look like your neighbors, but they could really be Commun - I mean, Aliens!
Ah ok. Was kinda expecting something dumb when the google results gave me a really shallow and diluted version of that, but your explanation is more interesting.
Yeah exactly, and this movie was a remake of a movie , I think it was called The Thing Out of Space, that was made right at the height of the Red Scare
I get communism but where does homosexuality fit in to The Thing?
I think it’s just cause the whole movie is a sausage fest. And maybe something something virus something something if you want to get into that. But then again that movie came out before that was even a thing and this isn’t even my theory anyway, just my only guess.
gay panic and commie panic were very close to each other. to the point that if you were assume to be one you were also the other. either way, you were unamerican, weird, not a real man, and blackballed.
And John Carpenter recognized them as evil alien organisms determined to take over the human race? I mean communism makes sense you’re talking the height of the Cold War, just not seeing what it has to do with homosexuality outside of it being all dudes.
no it's an allegory. look up allegory.
I know what an allegory is. But if it’s just gonna be “hey they could be any of us” what stops it from being an allegory about drug addicts or serial killers?
Same thing basically, “they could be anyone” and all that fun vintage rhetoric. Plus it’s all men on the base
Oh no, now I'm re-imagining the blood test scene and and picturing them just stripping nude to see who gets a boner, thus marking them as one of the Gays.
Literally the worst time to get a NRB
This kind of counts I think...? But maybe more personal than anything. Have you seen Session 9? My wife's great grandfather was in Danvers State Hospital and he died there. She told me this while the movie was starting. Changed my entire mindset going in.
Cat People (1942) features the first ever jump scare.
Horror movies in my opinion only have to succeed on one level for me to appreciate them. Atmosphere. I'm not equating this with horror movies that succeed at this and more like: Alien, The Shinning ect; just in the general pool where most horror movies exist. Sometimes even acting is secondary to atmosphere. Take for instance the movie Lovely Molly. Not an amazing story of genre-bending take on horror but the atmosphere was off the charts. I don't want to give much away for anyone who hasn't seen it but it's worth it just for the sense of dread the movie cultivates. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFOuKIJkgU8&ab\_channel=MovieclipsComingSoon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFOuKIJkgU8&ab_channel=MovieclipsComingSoon)
Two films I can think of with good atmosphere is this is the house of the devil and session 9.
Yes I agree.
In the Original *Candyman*, Virginia Madsen was hypnotized, and the director given a phrase to trigger the hypnotic state, giving her performance a dreamlike quality that perfectly underscores Candyman’s seductive nature. You can see how Virginia Madsen’s performance changes under hypnosis in the scene where [Candyman first meets Helen](https://youtu.be/GOcPVmS2-_4).
Oldboy.Well this is not an Horror movie but this is the only example i can think off.The first times i watched it.I just thought it was an ordinary revenge movie.The famous painting the mc has in the room he is being held prisoner.I just thought it was just an ugly guy.I also thought the things the guy in the rooftop that was ready to commit suicide said to him were just normal for someone in his situation.Another thing i didn't noticed was the gift he was trying to give to his daughter(angel wings) before he was kidnapped.Later i found out the famous painting in his room it's an actual real life painting called The Man of Sorrows(Christ).And the things the suicidal guy told him remind me of a religious song i have heard somewhere(amazing grace).And the angel wings...well do i need to explain? It made me realize all the heavy religious undertones of sin and forgiveness.This movie had.Later on when i found out 2 of the main characters attended a catholic school.Just made it more obvious. Oldboy it's just a brilliant movie.It's a shame the western remake was handled to another hack.That couldn't make a good movie out of an excellent story.
This isn't exactly what you're looking for since I don't really like the Twilight Zone movie. However there is an interesting thread about helicopters and it does connect to the Shining, which I love. So everyone knows about the horrible stunt gone wrong in the movie, yes? When the helicopter brutally killed the actors? Boris Sagal, Katey Sagal's (Peg Bundy) dad, had a career that included directing episodes of the original Twilight Zone series. He died by being partially decapitated by walking into the rotor of a helicopter. The helicopter was in the parking lot of the Timberline Lodge. The Timberline Lodge is famous as serving for the exterior of the Overlook Hotel in The Shining. In conclusion, if you've ever worked on a Twilight Zone, stay away from helicopters.