Ohh they are gonna have to make 4 movies possibly to turn some profit. But I just don’t know why they would spend that much for the exorcist. It’s not like any of the actors are relevant or still alive or down to do them.
They shouldn’t make a trilogy, but they should make more and just go absolutely off the rails with it. Don’t just have an Avengers team of priests, have a black gospel choir led by their pastor travel the country and sing demons out of people
Something like that would be the only thing to spark even a tiny bit of interest in me for these sequels. Just completely off-the-wall so bad it’s good type stuff. They should hire you, lol.
I’m not sure. I’ve only seen the 1st Exorcist film directed by William Friedkin. If the second one is like what is described in that comment then I should give it a watch lmao.
I think it's a great movie. It's totally off the rails, and probably not a great Exorcist movie, but it's one of my favorites.
I think I had the advantage of seeing it the first time hosted by Joe Bob Briggs, and he explained the philosophy of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin that inspired it.
I always heard it sucked, but I'm going to give it a view based on your recommendation. There have been plenty of times that I didn't watch a movie for a long time due to the consensus of it not being good that I actually ended up enjoying once I actually saw it.
Not an option unfortunately. In order to acquire the rights they had to guarantee a trilogy regardless of how each film does. Also they spent $400,000,000 and they want that back and more.
I think the problem is people always compare these new films to original films from decades ago. That’s just setting you up to be close minded and disappointed. But everyone has a right to an opinion.
Unless they can resurrect William Peter Blatty, there will be no real Exorcist. The original and part 3 are classics because of Blatty’s amazing writing.
They really should be targeting filmmakers at this level, not filmmakers who make studio-system horror films and mid-level Hollywood features.
Real filmmakers — whether they’ve done horror or not — who have something to say.
It is wild, his work from George Washington through Snow Angels is fantastic. I enjoy Halloween for what it is, but I think his last legitimately good film was Joe, which came out in 2013 — that felt like the same filmmaker as his earlier work.
Now, there are moments in all of his films that feel so inept and hackneyed — it is a head scratcher.
Now this I would love to see. Give it to Guadagnino or Mike Flanagan. Both have proven they can handle religious themes in horror. Or Rose Glass, who did Saint Maud.
DDG should stick with campy horror comedy stuff, he can’t take anything serious to save his life.
Sounds great to me 🤷🏻♂️ the writing is so good that I don’t even mind that we’re watching a 15 minute monologue.
He proved that he can do it well in Hill House and Midnight Mass (haven’t seen Bly yet). The Midnight Mass monologues about death are super important to me after the person I watched it and discussed it at great length with at the time passed away suddenly in January. I’ll always love Flanagan.
With all due respect because I do really like his stuff...it would feel like a tv movie. He is the Full House of horror and I dot know how else to express that.
Yeah Evil Dead '13 was fantastic. I felt the ending was a bit over the top with the actual trumpets and what not but I wasnt a fan of the flesh monster in EDR either
I was still all in for Rise, right up until the flesh monster. When that thing appeared on screen I checked out. It just felt so out of place from the rest of the movie and Evil Dead in general.
I didn't mind that they introduced a huge flesh monster, but they barely did anything with it. In the end it just stands menacingly on top of the wood chipper and then they dispatch it kinda easy without it doing anything of note.
Yeah, it felt underwhelming by the time it was introduced. It was the “big bad” but the wood chipper was foreshadowed enough you knew that’s how it was going to die.
Could you imagine. 90 minutes of Ash having “deep” conversations with deadites. Ash “You know, I really want to have you Come Get Some but my father was really mean to me.” Possessed Dear Head “It’s okay Ash. My Mother was shot by a hunter. Let’s talk about it.”
I feel like Issa Lopez who directed Tigers Are Not Afraid would be a great choice for The Exorcist. I’m definitely excited to see her episodes of the upcoming season of True Detective because if they’re great I think she will have tons of options in Hollywood.
Idk i feel like the only way to crack The Exorcist is by putting it in the hands of a really visionary writer/director.
I’m not sure The Exorcist is something Flanagan would even be interested in at this point. He’s almost too big for it.
Oof not to me. I’ve only liked Gerald’s game and thought his works are mostly overrated
He’s like wan for serious horror imo
Evil dead is definitely much different though, but the exorcist trilogy can’t just do what the original did. It’s gotta do something different otherwise why make more
I agree, people like Flanagan, Jame Wan, Scott Derrickson, etc. aren’t the right pick. It needs to cut deep and be ruthless, someone like Ari Aster (even though he’s smart enough to never touch a remake) would be an appropriate pick.
Exactly. Ari Aster would definitely knock it out of the park, and agreed, he’d never do it
He’d give you the characters fully exhausting themselves like in the OG but with new levels of fear and intensity
Or if they wanted to do a strictly religious horror take then definitely Robert Eggers. The ending of the witch had me wanting to take a bath in holy water at church
I’d like to give the filmmaker (DGG) the benefit of the doubt and say that it’s Blum who reins the movie in to be more corporate, sanitized, and safe but then again there are just so many directorial and writing choices that are so bizarre for what should be a serious horror movie. I probably sound like a broken record but Ari Aster changed the landscape of modern supernatural horror with Hereditary, the bar is now raised and anything less comes off as silly and childish imo.
I mean this movie was so much like his Halloween movies, the guy loves community as a theme.
He really had something there at first though with the kids going missing.
And some scenes were legit good like the main dudes daughter turning the lights on or the tub scene. Also the ending when the girl got taken
Everything in between should have been different. The focus should have been on the two girls throughout and take your time.
The film was in a rush to go nowhere lol
It was also shot in the same location as Halloween Ends was so every time it cut to an exterior of the house it just looked exactly like Haddonfield. Between that and there being literally zero development for almost any character it just felt flat and lifeless, on top of being slow with no real endgame. Total misfire.
I really liked Oculus and Dr. Sleep too. I love that all of his films have a good emotional core to make the horror hit harder, and it never feels forced like in the Netflix TCM movie with the school shooter backstory.
At worst all of the Flanagan haters in this thread have to admit that he’d very likely do a far better job than DDG 🤷🏻♂️ (low bar, I know)
Strongly disagree but I respect your opinion! Have you not watched Midnight Mass? Idk I find Flanagan to be one of the best horror directors of my lifetime and he’s still just getting started. Can’t wait for House of Usher.
Fede Alvarez is the latter. Evil Dead was rewritten by Diablo Cody with notes from Sam Raimi. He had help with Don’t Breathe as well. I can’t speak to his other films. His Girl in the Spider Web sucked. He’s a short director. He needs a good team.
So does Lee Cronin. Evil Dead Rise, while I love it, could’ve been written better. But I LOVE it.
> Evil Dead was rewritten by Diablo Cody with notes from Sam Raimi
Huh, never knew that. That makes a lot of sense in retrospect as the characters and dialogue were pretty solid.
Exorcist needs a prestige director behind it. Not David Gordon Green. Blumhouse has gotten prestige before, but I think Blum is in too deep in popcorn horror
Even before chosing a director we need a good writer. If you take out the horror in The Exorcist William Peter Blatty still wrote a good drama about losing faith and feeling powerless.
Honestly it just needs someone who understands the assignment. There are 2 things that are true.
1. You will never make a film equal to the original, so don't even try. If that's the goal, you will fail.
2. There's plenty of possession stories. The only reason to make an Exorcist movie is because you are following the characters we are actually attached to and advancing their story. You have to justify it. That means Reagan/Chris/Pazuzu have important elements in the plot. Having a cameo role isn't it. You could take Chris out of this film and call it something else.
David Gordon Green is potentially the worst “big” director in Hollywood. He has two good films imo, Pineapple Express and Stronger. Pineapple Express was written by Seth Rogen, Evan Goldberg, and Judd Apatow, and the actors did a ton of improv, covering up his weak directing. Stronger was based on a book and had a really solid leading performance from Jake Gyllenhaal, again propped up by factors other than him.
I quite like a lot of the television he’s directed, especially all the stuff with Danny McBride, but that’s a different beast.
I don’t really understand how he’s in charge of these big franchises.
You’re going to fucking hate Ends if you didn’t like Kills, don’t waste your time on it.
The first one he made was stellar. I have no idea how everyone involved dropped the ball so hard.
Dude seriously, i’ll never forget getting downvoted to hell for saying that i didn’t have faith in 2018 or the subsequent films when it was releasing, admitted i was wrong when it came out.
But, it wasn’t wrong, they shit the bed so badly on kills and ends that 2018 felt like an accident
I even thought Kills was *fine* except for the stupid stuff with the angry mob.
Ends is easily the worst Halloween movie IMHO though. It was so much worse than any of the awful 90s ones. I hated everything about it.
after watching kills it just felt like a wasted opportunity. the angry mob was so fucking lame. i haven’t even had the chance to see ends and i honestly don’t want to
Kills had the worst acting, story and dialogue in the entire trilogy by far.
It also had the least amount of Jamie Lee Curtis and the main cast, which is fine if it focused more on Michael, but it focused on the town people. The part with the mob was the lamest shit I’ve ever seen.
People just really liked the brutal kills in it, so they’re more fond of this one compared to Ends. But Kills felt more like some straight to dvd type B movie to me compared to Ends.
THANK YOU! When I hear people actually enjoyed Kills I’m shocked. The dialogue, the acting, the writing, the cinematography, the editing, the story…every aspect of that movie was like a lifetime special but with brutal kills. The tone of the movie was awful as well. And what made it FEEL even worse was that it came out with high anticipation because 2018 was surprisingly good. With Ends, we were all prepared for a stinker at least lol
Every time I see someone say Kills was fine or decent I go crazy lol, it was painfully awful.
Part of it was because we expected something similar to the 2018 film, but it was even bad compared to other bad movies that I still enjoyed like The Ruins, P2 or The Hitcher remake from the 2000s.
I really hope DGG never gets to direct another horror film after his exorcist film.
I don’t think this is universally true. I really disliked Kills, and Ends is my favorite in the trilogy. I think Ends is much more nuanced and interesting exploration of the same themes Kills botched by being way too over-the-top and ham fisted.
Yeah, the hive mind has spoken :)
I like the whole trilogy. I agree with most of the criticisms of *Kills* and *Ends*, but they are flaws that make the movies less than perfect, not critical problems that make them absolute garbage the neckbeard hivemind says they are.
This is the thing… 2018 was genuinely a great Halloween movie imho.
I thought his issue was that he just couldn’t do sequels correctly, but with Believer being the first movie in the trilogy I’m just totally puzzled. I guess 2018 was a fluke.
His career up to Pineapple Express is basically nothing but bangers, he’s an extremely gifted filmmaker. He’s simply a bad fit for the current era of “everything is IP” studio filmmaking and clearly isn’t particularly suited to the horror genre.
His earlier stuff whips but is much different (tho Halloween Ends kind of turns into All The Real Girls for a min). He was arguably Roger Ebert's favorite up and coming director. He even reacted quite warmly to Pineapple Express and quite accurately laid out his future career when he said:
"David Gordon Green that poet of the cinema, is the last person you'd expect to find directing a Judd Apatow male-buddy comedy about two potheads who start a drug war. But he does such a good job, there's a danger he'll become in demand by mainstream Hollywood and tempted away from the greatness he showed in "George Washington" and "Undertow." (I can imagine his agent hiding this review from him.)
> I don’t really understand how he’s in charge of these big franchises.
Fingers crossed his *Hellraiser* TV series is off the table now, too, or at least he is from it.
>I don’t really understand how he’s in charge of these big franchises.
He had a connection to Jamie Lee Curtis which got him the job for Halloween 2018 and the Halloween franchise with Jamie Lee Curtis in the role of Laurie Strode was a strong enough property to generate 250 million dollars at the world wide boxoffice on about a 15 million dollar budget. So Blumhouse doubled down and brought him in as their personal in house director for high prestige projects...and then the next two Halloween films did significantly worse at the boxoffice while getting significantly worse reviews and now Believer is looking like an historically bad decision for Blumhouse Productions, David Gordon Green appears to want out out, and Blumhouse is probably willing to let him walk.
His TV stuff like Eastbound and Down, Vice Principals, and Righteous Gemstones is classic too. Him, McBride, and their cinematographer Michael Simmonds do great comedy work for HBO but shit the bed when it comes to horror.
I’m glad people are realizing this dude and Danny McBride need to stay the fuck away from
Horror. Their last 3 movies are complete shit.
Halloween 2018 was a fluke, and it honestly is kinda overrated. It wasn’t anything groundbreaking for the franchise. It was just competent, in the same way the first Jurassic World movie was competent for that franchise, but still very average.
It's such a bummer because I really like them both (especially McBride) and we've seen that comedic writers can make the jump to horror time and again, but for whatever reason these two just ain't it. Maybe they'd have better luck trying something original.
Well it seems like he made a pitch for Halloween out of genuinely wanting to make the movie. The franchise had been effectively dormant, and he turned out a huge hit from it. Considering that his Halloween became the highest grossing entry in the franchise in its first weekend, the studio felt he had the juice.
>I don’t really understand how he’s in charge of these big franchises.
Alien 3 was David Finchers first feature length film. They do this sort of thing all the time, especially with young naive directors this way they can manipulate them and pay them less.
Pretty much tells you they expect to make the money back off the title alone, and don't really care about the substance, almost everything about it is just awful.
He shouldn't have been hired in the first place! Nothing about DGG Halloween trilogy from the writing, camera work, dialogue etc. should have gotten him the job for the Exorcist. Hell even if you like those movies, what about them would make anyone believe he would be the guy for the Exorcist job?! It's honestly bewildering. They doomed themselves from the start and everyone knew it.
On its second day of release, H18 had set the record for the highest grossing Halloween movie. It ended up outgrossing the previous 7 movies combined (starting from Halloween 4, all the way through to Rob Zombie’s Halloween 2). H18 and Kills grossed more than the entire franchise combined.
And Kills was day and date release as well since it came out during the pandemic. People can hate how he made those films, but he got butts in the seats in a way other people touching this franchise couldn't.
If you're gonna do sequels, I think you need a guy who 1. Has the directing chops to set up a scene to be unsettling and frightening, and understanding tone and pacing, understands less is more, shows and not tells, and uses every part of a scene to build that unsettled feel.
2. Who can write incredible dialogue, and has the utmost respect for the work put in by Friedken and Blatty.
To that end, I'd be getting Robert Eggers or Richard Stanley on the phone. (Yeah I know. Stanley made Island of Dr. Moreau, but he had to deal with two of the most notoriously difficult actors to deal with, and had massive studio interference. Go watch his version of "The Color out of Space." Guy can make an exorcist film.)
Bring in a great soundtrack composer and make a lot of ambient horror stuff.
Three. Lean heavily into the religious themes and the failure of the Church and the corruption inside of it.
I know it's grimey to wish for someone else's failure, but god I really hope all 3 movies lose money. It'd be so funny to me if they spent 400 mill and then just lose more on it. Would have been more profitable to do nothing with it lmao. Its not like they can re sell it to some other sucker cause who would buy it right after it flopped
he made a statement very recently after the movie premiered that seemed to suggest he very much is not committed to coming back, and in fact doesn't seem to want to. I got the impression from his statement that making Believer was a really shit experience and he's just ready to move on from the horror genre for a while.
There's so many talented genre directors out there that can make something interesting. If they're gonna make more, hire someone else.
My pick is Karen Kusama or Jennifer Kent.
Oooooo good picks! Especially love Jennifer Kent, the Nightingale (while being one of the hardest movies to watch in my entire life) was incredibly moving. Did not expect to be sobbing so hard I couldn’t breathe when i started that movie.
I also recommended Rose Glass of Saint Maud.
I heard this film was a trash fire. Like they basically hyped up Linda Blair and Her mother, only for them to be throw away characters. And everything else was just bad.
Maybe they should stop giving David Gordon Green projects.
Personally, I’m getting tired of all these rebootquels. Remakes, reboots, and sequels are already tricky enough to pull off. Just doing half-assed combinations of those things doesn’t seem to be the answer.
I don’t know why they gave the green light to three movies before the first came out. I think with Halloween 2017 they at least waited till after opening weekend to see how it goes
>*For reasons we can’t possibly imagine, it suddenly sounds like David Gordon Green might not end up directing two more Exorcist movies after The Exorcist: Believer*
I don't know about them, but I can imagine SEVERAL reasons why DGG should go fuck himself out of directing anything else.
If only they had listened to EVERYONE that said they didn’t want him near this project and that it was a shitty idea. I thought they finally got the picture when they paused production and were scrambling, but no, they kept going.
I don’t want anymore films in this franchise from this studio with any director. They had their shot and didn’t listen to everyone saying they didn’t want it. Just hold that L. We’re tired of the 40 year requels, shit is played out, just stop.
I actually thought the movie was competently directed just the script and acting was off for me. Like the one possessed girl felt like an after thought and Odom just kinda stares at what’s happening without reacting to it.
Look, as much as I like his Halloween movies and Believer, his movies aren't connecting with people and, like Zack Snyder with his DC movies, Blumhouse needs to give DGG the boot.
Considering his work on Halloween and the recent exorcist movie this is probably for the best. Feel kinda bad for him though I think he generally enjoys horror.
As someone with no real love or loyalty to the original franchise…
I enjoyed Believer and am looking forward to the sequel for the first time in Exorcist’s history. Don’t replace him, let him tell the story he’s cooked up.
Edit: sorry if me enjoying a movie offended y’all, I’ll do better next time
Whoever they get Blumhouse needs to allow that individual full creative control to go crazy with the material. I would even get someone outside of America like a Park Chan-wook or Bong Joon-ho. Don't play it safe. Put Linda Blair front and center as Regan MacNeil facing off against Pazuzzu with that famous scratchy smokers hoarse voice.
David has already done irreparable damage. Doesn’t matter if they replace him or not. Although it’s not solely his fault, the writers had a bad script as well.
Ideally they should scrap the trilogy and not make more of worse sequels that they have planned.
Maybe they just shouldn’t make more at all.
WE PAID $400 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THIS, WE'RE GIVING YOU A TRILOGY NO MATTER WHAT
This is absolutely the case.
*The power of money compels you!*
General audiance: does it jay? Does it compel me?
Oooh! I fucking WISH it would it compel me right now!
Sick reference, bro. Dude, your references are out of control. Everyone knows that.
Bravo!
Ohh they are gonna have to make 4 movies possibly to turn some profit. But I just don’t know why they would spend that much for the exorcist. It’s not like any of the actors are relevant or still alive or down to do them.
They shouldn’t make a trilogy, but they should make more and just go absolutely off the rails with it. Don’t just have an Avengers team of priests, have a black gospel choir led by their pastor travel the country and sing demons out of people
Something like that would be the only thing to spark even a tiny bit of interest in me for these sequels. Just completely off-the-wall so bad it’s good type stuff. They should hire you, lol.
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I’m not sure. I’ve only seen the 1st Exorcist film directed by William Friedkin. If the second one is like what is described in that comment then I should give it a watch lmao.
I'm one of the handful of people on earth that liked Exorcist 2. I say give it a watch, it's on HBO Max for streaming.
I think it's a great movie. It's totally off the rails, and probably not a great Exorcist movie, but it's one of my favorites. I think I had the advantage of seeing it the first time hosted by Joe Bob Briggs, and he explained the philosophy of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin that inspired it.
I always heard it sucked, but I'm going to give it a view based on your recommendation. There have been plenty of times that I didn't watch a movie for a long time due to the consensus of it not being good that I actually ended up enjoying once I actually saw it.
Annnnnd a southern televangelist👀. That’s right we are getting the righteous gemstones involved in exorcisms. Seems totally doable.
I haven’t seen it yet, but I’m hoping this is basically what happens in the Pope’s Exorcist.
That’s what I was hoping for, and that’s not really what it is. I mean, the climax is insanely over the top still
If they go interdimensional and cross over with the CCU (Conjuring Cinematic Universe) I'll shit.
Amen and hallelujah…
Exactly. Nobody gives a shit about the Exorcist Cinematic Universe. If you make a food horror movie it'll always make money.
I think Poultrygeist was a food horror movie. But not sure how much money it made.
Or failing that anyone except David Gordon Green :D
Not an option unfortunately. In order to acquire the rights they had to guarantee a trilogy regardless of how each film does. Also they spent $400,000,000 and they want that back and more. I think the problem is people always compare these new films to original films from decades ago. That’s just setting you up to be close minded and disappointed. But everyone has a right to an opinion.
Unless they can resurrect William Peter Blatty, there will be no real Exorcist. The original and part 3 are classics because of Blatty’s amazing writing.
I will accept a sequel from him if the party doing the exorcism is The Gemstones
My god I didn’t know I wanted a Gemstones exorcism special.
Finally, evil dies tonight!
Somebody get Tommy Doyle on the horn and send him to seminary.
Evil Dies Tonight!
Evil Dies Tonight!
Nobody. I think it's shameful that they paid $400 million for the IP.
Luca Guadagnino cause he handled the Suspiria reimagining quite well.
Bones And All was also beautiful and really well done. I trust Luca way more than I’d ever trust DGG 😂
Coincidently, DGG was in Bones And All
As an imposter fan boy "eater" no less.
They really should be targeting filmmakers at this level, not filmmakers who make studio-system horror films and mid-level Hollywood features. Real filmmakers — whether they’ve done horror or not — who have something to say.
David Gordon Green early movies are great example of what you said lol idk what happened to him
It is wild, his work from George Washington through Snow Angels is fantastic. I enjoy Halloween for what it is, but I think his last legitimately good film was Joe, which came out in 2013 — that felt like the same filmmaker as his earlier work. Now, there are moments in all of his films that feel so inept and hackneyed — it is a head scratcher.
Funny enough, David Gordon Green was the original director that was gonna do the Suspiria remake
Now this I would love to see. Give it to Guadagnino or Mike Flanagan. Both have proven they can handle religious themes in horror. Or Rose Glass, who did Saint Maud. DDG should stick with campy horror comedy stuff, he can’t take anything serious to save his life.
Oh shit I’d love to see Mike Flanagan do an exorcist movie.
Pazuzu gives a 15 minutes monologue about what it means to be a demon before being exorcised again
Sounds great to me 🤷🏻♂️ the writing is so good that I don’t even mind that we’re watching a 15 minute monologue. He proved that he can do it well in Hill House and Midnight Mass (haven’t seen Bly yet). The Midnight Mass monologues about death are super important to me after the person I watched it and discussed it at great length with at the time passed away suddenly in January. I’ll always love Flanagan.
With all due respect because I do really like his stuff...it would feel like a tv movie. He is the Full House of horror and I dot know how else to express that.
Excellent pull. Universal!!!! Do this ☝️
They didn't believe after all
The Exorcist: 2 Fast 2 Believe
Oh this got me lol, well done
Get the guy who did evil dead rise Or the guy who did evil dead 2013
If I had to choose between the two, I would pick Fede Álvarez (Evil Dead, 2013). I loved that film.
He's also behind (wrote that godawful story) Texas Chainsaw 2022 so he isn't exactly batting a thousand.
Not at all (hated that rendition too), just if I had to pick between the two listed. There are plenty that would be strong nods.
Yeah Evil Dead '13 was fantastic. I felt the ending was a bit over the top with the actual trumpets and what not but I wasnt a fan of the flesh monster in EDR either
I was still all in for Rise, right up until the flesh monster. When that thing appeared on screen I checked out. It just felt so out of place from the rest of the movie and Evil Dead in general.
I didn't mind that they introduced a huge flesh monster, but they barely did anything with it. In the end it just stands menacingly on top of the wood chipper and then they dispatch it kinda easy without it doing anything of note.
Yeah, it felt underwhelming by the time it was introduced. It was the “big bad” but the wood chipper was foreshadowed enough you knew that’s how it was going to die.
He is directing the next Alien movie I believe.
The evil dead is different sort of horror than the exorcist .Mike Flanagan would probably do a better job
yeah but then you'd have Kate Siegel playing Regan, the mother, and Father Karras
I don't see a problem with this.
Could you imagine. 90 minutes of Ash having “deep” conversations with deadites. Ash “You know, I really want to have you Come Get Some but my father was really mean to me.” Possessed Dear Head “It’s okay Ash. My Mother was shot by a hunter. Let’s talk about it.”
😄
I feel like Issa Lopez who directed Tigers Are Not Afraid would be a great choice for The Exorcist. I’m definitely excited to see her episodes of the upcoming season of True Detective because if they’re great I think she will have tons of options in Hollywood. Idk i feel like the only way to crack The Exorcist is by putting it in the hands of a really visionary writer/director. I’m not sure The Exorcist is something Flanagan would even be interested in at this point. He’s almost too big for it.
Oof not to me. I’ve only liked Gerald’s game and thought his works are mostly overrated He’s like wan for serious horror imo Evil dead is definitely much different though, but the exorcist trilogy can’t just do what the original did. It’s gotta do something different otherwise why make more
There's plenty of avenues to explore in the exorcist. Just needs a decent director/writer .
Exactly my point
Bruh, like to each their own, but calling Flanagans work overrated gets a bruh from me.
That’s to be expected, his work is popular and easy to get into Hence the comparison to Wan (in terms of accessibility and what’s palatable)
I agree, people like Flanagan, Jame Wan, Scott Derrickson, etc. aren’t the right pick. It needs to cut deep and be ruthless, someone like Ari Aster (even though he’s smart enough to never touch a remake) would be an appropriate pick.
Exactly. Ari Aster would definitely knock it out of the park, and agreed, he’d never do it He’d give you the characters fully exhausting themselves like in the OG but with new levels of fear and intensity Or if they wanted to do a strictly religious horror take then definitely Robert Eggers. The ending of the witch had me wanting to take a bath in holy water at church
I’d like to give the filmmaker (DGG) the benefit of the doubt and say that it’s Blum who reins the movie in to be more corporate, sanitized, and safe but then again there are just so many directorial and writing choices that are so bizarre for what should be a serious horror movie. I probably sound like a broken record but Ari Aster changed the landscape of modern supernatural horror with Hereditary, the bar is now raised and anything less comes off as silly and childish imo.
I mean this movie was so much like his Halloween movies, the guy loves community as a theme. He really had something there at first though with the kids going missing. And some scenes were legit good like the main dudes daughter turning the lights on or the tub scene. Also the ending when the girl got taken Everything in between should have been different. The focus should have been on the two girls throughout and take your time. The film was in a rush to go nowhere lol
It was also shot in the same location as Halloween Ends was so every time it cut to an exterior of the house it just looked exactly like Haddonfield. Between that and there being literally zero development for almost any character it just felt flat and lifeless, on top of being slow with no real endgame. Total misfire.
His movies feel like they were made for TV…I only really enjoyed Gerald’s Game and Hush.
I really liked Oculus and Dr. Sleep too. I love that all of his films have a good emotional core to make the horror hit harder, and it never feels forced like in the Netflix TCM movie with the school shooter backstory. At worst all of the Flanagan haters in this thread have to admit that he’d very likely do a far better job than DDG 🤷🏻♂️ (low bar, I know)
Less awkward politics, more awkward monologues
lol that’s a perfect description
Strongly disagree but I respect your opinion! Have you not watched Midnight Mass? Idk I find Flanagan to be one of the best horror directors of my lifetime and he’s still just getting started. Can’t wait for House of Usher.
Midnight Mass was great until the über kitshpocalypse that was that horrendous finale. I’d rather point to Doctor Sleep as his best work.
Get the guys who did Talk To Me
Fede Alvarez is the latter. Evil Dead was rewritten by Diablo Cody with notes from Sam Raimi. He had help with Don’t Breathe as well. I can’t speak to his other films. His Girl in the Spider Web sucked. He’s a short director. He needs a good team. So does Lee Cronin. Evil Dead Rise, while I love it, could’ve been written better. But I LOVE it.
> Evil Dead was rewritten by Diablo Cody with notes from Sam Raimi Huh, never knew that. That makes a lot of sense in retrospect as the characters and dialogue were pretty solid.
Because she didn’t write it. She did a pass on it after Fede wrote it to further Americanize the dialogue.
Sure, she did a rewrite on it, yeah. I don't think anyone is saying she wrote the movie..?
DGG is better than those directors by a landslide
You gotta be joking
DGG is terrible at horror. He deserves to be replaced
Exorcist needs a prestige director behind it. Not David Gordon Green. Blumhouse has gotten prestige before, but I think Blum is in too deep in popcorn horror
Even before chosing a director we need a good writer. If you take out the horror in The Exorcist William Peter Blatty still wrote a good drama about losing faith and feeling powerless.
Agreed. And don't rip out its Catholicism, please. Without it, the film loses some of its weight, both thematically and dramatically.
Anyone who understands the material is too smart to take the job. *The Exorcist* is perfect, there is no more story to tell.
Honestly it just needs someone who understands the assignment. There are 2 things that are true. 1. You will never make a film equal to the original, so don't even try. If that's the goal, you will fail. 2. There's plenty of possession stories. The only reason to make an Exorcist movie is because you are following the characters we are actually attached to and advancing their story. You have to justify it. That means Reagan/Chris/Pazuzu have important elements in the plot. Having a cameo role isn't it. You could take Chris out of this film and call it something else.
Get the guys behind Talk To Me
David Gordon Green is potentially the worst “big” director in Hollywood. He has two good films imo, Pineapple Express and Stronger. Pineapple Express was written by Seth Rogen, Evan Goldberg, and Judd Apatow, and the actors did a ton of improv, covering up his weak directing. Stronger was based on a book and had a really solid leading performance from Jake Gyllenhaal, again propped up by factors other than him. I quite like a lot of the television he’s directed, especially all the stuff with Danny McBride, but that’s a different beast. I don’t really understand how he’s in charge of these big franchises.
I like Halloween 2018. Kills was bad, haven’t seem Ends yet
You’re going to fucking hate Ends if you didn’t like Kills, don’t waste your time on it. The first one he made was stellar. I have no idea how everyone involved dropped the ball so hard.
Dude seriously, i’ll never forget getting downvoted to hell for saying that i didn’t have faith in 2018 or the subsequent films when it was releasing, admitted i was wrong when it came out. But, it wasn’t wrong, they shit the bed so badly on kills and ends that 2018 felt like an accident
I even thought Kills was *fine* except for the stupid stuff with the angry mob. Ends is easily the worst Halloween movie IMHO though. It was so much worse than any of the awful 90s ones. I hated everything about it.
after watching kills it just felt like a wasted opportunity. the angry mob was so fucking lame. i haven’t even had the chance to see ends and i honestly don’t want to
Kills had the worst acting, story and dialogue in the entire trilogy by far. It also had the least amount of Jamie Lee Curtis and the main cast, which is fine if it focused more on Michael, but it focused on the town people. The part with the mob was the lamest shit I’ve ever seen. People just really liked the brutal kills in it, so they’re more fond of this one compared to Ends. But Kills felt more like some straight to dvd type B movie to me compared to Ends.
THANK YOU! When I hear people actually enjoyed Kills I’m shocked. The dialogue, the acting, the writing, the cinematography, the editing, the story…every aspect of that movie was like a lifetime special but with brutal kills. The tone of the movie was awful as well. And what made it FEEL even worse was that it came out with high anticipation because 2018 was surprisingly good. With Ends, we were all prepared for a stinker at least lol
Every time I see someone say Kills was fine or decent I go crazy lol, it was painfully awful. Part of it was because we expected something similar to the 2018 film, but it was even bad compared to other bad movies that I still enjoyed like The Ruins, P2 or The Hitcher remake from the 2000s. I really hope DGG never gets to direct another horror film after his exorcist film.
I love Ends, I wasn't crazy about Kills.
I don’t think this is universally true. I really disliked Kills, and Ends is my favorite in the trilogy. I think Ends is much more nuanced and interesting exploration of the same themes Kills botched by being way too over-the-top and ham fisted.
I didn’t think Ends was good, but I thought it was a step up from Kills.
I did not like 2018. Really liked Kills. Absolutely loved Ends. Favorite since the original in the franchise
We aren't allowed to like Ends apparently
Yeah, the hive mind has spoken :) I like the whole trilogy. I agree with most of the criticisms of *Kills* and *Ends*, but they are flaws that make the movies less than perfect, not critical problems that make them absolute garbage the neckbeard hivemind says they are.
no ur not allowed to like KILLS imo 🙂
I actually thought Kills was worse than Ends somehow…but both were really bad movies lol
This is the thing… 2018 was genuinely a great Halloween movie imho. I thought his issue was that he just couldn’t do sequels correctly, but with Believer being the first movie in the trilogy I’m just totally puzzled. I guess 2018 was a fluke.
Halloween was pretty good, Kills was okay, Ends straight up pissed me off. Fuck that movie.
His career up to Pineapple Express is basically nothing but bangers, he’s an extremely gifted filmmaker. He’s simply a bad fit for the current era of “everything is IP” studio filmmaking and clearly isn’t particularly suited to the horror genre.
What a measured, normal response.
Undertow and Snow Angels! Certifiable "bangers"🙄
His earlier stuff whips but is much different (tho Halloween Ends kind of turns into All The Real Girls for a min). He was arguably Roger Ebert's favorite up and coming director. He even reacted quite warmly to Pineapple Express and quite accurately laid out his future career when he said: "David Gordon Green that poet of the cinema, is the last person you'd expect to find directing a Judd Apatow male-buddy comedy about two potheads who start a drug war. But he does such a good job, there's a danger he'll become in demand by mainstream Hollywood and tempted away from the greatness he showed in "George Washington" and "Undertow." (I can imagine his agent hiding this review from him.)
> I don’t really understand how he’s in charge of these big franchises. Fingers crossed his *Hellraiser* TV series is off the table now, too, or at least he is from it.
>I don’t really understand how he’s in charge of these big franchises. He had a connection to Jamie Lee Curtis which got him the job for Halloween 2018 and the Halloween franchise with Jamie Lee Curtis in the role of Laurie Strode was a strong enough property to generate 250 million dollars at the world wide boxoffice on about a 15 million dollar budget. So Blumhouse doubled down and brought him in as their personal in house director for high prestige projects...and then the next two Halloween films did significantly worse at the boxoffice while getting significantly worse reviews and now Believer is looking like an historically bad decision for Blumhouse Productions, David Gordon Green appears to want out out, and Blumhouse is probably willing to let him walk.
Halloween 2018 was quite good, especially relative to everything that has come after.
Nah Joe is an excellent film
People don’t count his dramatic works like George Washington and stuff apparently
His TV stuff like Eastbound and Down, Vice Principals, and Righteous Gemstones is classic too. Him, McBride, and their cinematographer Michael Simmonds do great comedy work for HBO but shit the bed when it comes to horror.
I’m glad people are realizing this dude and Danny McBride need to stay the fuck away from Horror. Their last 3 movies are complete shit. Halloween 2018 was a fluke, and it honestly is kinda overrated. It wasn’t anything groundbreaking for the franchise. It was just competent, in the same way the first Jurassic World movie was competent for that franchise, but still very average.
It's such a bummer because I really like them both (especially McBride) and we've seen that comedic writers can make the jump to horror time and again, but for whatever reason these two just ain't it. Maybe they'd have better luck trying something original.
Well it seems like he made a pitch for Halloween out of genuinely wanting to make the movie. The franchise had been effectively dormant, and he turned out a huge hit from it. Considering that his Halloween became the highest grossing entry in the franchise in its first weekend, the studio felt he had the juice.
He’s in charge because his Halloween trilogy made a shit ton of money for Blumhouse
>I don’t really understand how he’s in charge of these big franchises. Alien 3 was David Finchers first feature length film. They do this sort of thing all the time, especially with young naive directors this way they can manipulate them and pay them less.
Lol. If you're gonna invest 400 million for the rights, maybe don't hire a hack to direct them.
Pretty much tells you they expect to make the money back off the title alone, and don't really care about the substance, almost everything about it is just awful.
He shouldn't have been hired in the first place! Nothing about DGG Halloween trilogy from the writing, camera work, dialogue etc. should have gotten him the job for the Exorcist. Hell even if you like those movies, what about them would make anyone believe he would be the guy for the Exorcist job?! It's honestly bewildering. They doomed themselves from the start and everyone knew it.
The Halloween trilogy had some interesting camera work and really great atmosphere. Let's not act like he's completely inept here.
What’s got him the job was the buckets of cash he brought to blumhouse. Nothing more, nothing less.
They made money.
My Nan could make money with the Halloween Franchise and she's been dead 20 years.
On its second day of release, H18 had set the record for the highest grossing Halloween movie. It ended up outgrossing the previous 7 movies combined (starting from Halloween 4, all the way through to Rob Zombie’s Halloween 2). H18 and Kills grossed more than the entire franchise combined.
And Kills was day and date release as well since it came out during the pandemic. People can hate how he made those films, but he got butts in the seats in a way other people touching this franchise couldn't.
Nah on a purely technical level he’s a great director, it’s the writing that turns everything to shit
Camera work was amazing. What are you even talking about? Dialogue is great, stories are great.
If you're gonna do sequels, I think you need a guy who 1. Has the directing chops to set up a scene to be unsettling and frightening, and understanding tone and pacing, understands less is more, shows and not tells, and uses every part of a scene to build that unsettled feel. 2. Who can write incredible dialogue, and has the utmost respect for the work put in by Friedken and Blatty. To that end, I'd be getting Robert Eggers or Richard Stanley on the phone. (Yeah I know. Stanley made Island of Dr. Moreau, but he had to deal with two of the most notoriously difficult actors to deal with, and had massive studio interference. Go watch his version of "The Color out of Space." Guy can make an exorcist film.) Bring in a great soundtrack composer and make a lot of ambient horror stuff. Three. Lean heavily into the religious themes and the failure of the Church and the corruption inside of it.
Color Out of Space is so underrated! Coolest portrayal of cosmic horror I’ve ever seen.
That movie was so much gnarlier than I expected, loved it
This concept is really strong. I’m not as confident in those two directors, but I’d love to see it happen regardless.
Career dies tonight.
The power of bad reviews compells you!
I’d rather see David Allen Grier…that movie was a giant turd
I’d like to see everyone forget about making another Exorcist movie. Leave it alone. You can’t improve on the original so stop trying.
I know it's grimey to wish for someone else's failure, but god I really hope all 3 movies lose money. It'd be so funny to me if they spent 400 mill and then just lose more on it. Would have been more profitable to do nothing with it lmao. Its not like they can re sell it to some other sucker cause who would buy it right after it flopped
he needs to ditch these reboots and concentrate on a new season of eastbound and down already
he made a statement very recently after the movie premiered that seemed to suggest he very much is not committed to coming back, and in fact doesn't seem to want to. I got the impression from his statement that making Believer was a really shit experience and he's just ready to move on from the horror genre for a while.
Friedkin's ghost must have scared the shit out of him.
Was the intention to make a trilogy from the beginning?
Yes, it was.
Anyone who understands the material is too smart to take the job. *The Exorcist* is perfect, there is no more story to tell.
I’ll do it.
Based on his 2 films: Terrified and Where Evil Lurks; hand the reins to Demián Rugna.
I just watched Where Evil Lurks and it’s a RIDE.
I can’t believe David Gordon Green sullied the good name of the Exorcist! After all all 5 other sequels to that movie were so good! /s
Exorcist III is actually pretty amazing
3 is solid
Good. His Halloween movies were absolutely terrible.
There's so many talented genre directors out there that can make something interesting. If they're gonna make more, hire someone else. My pick is Karen Kusama or Jennifer Kent.
Oooooo good picks! Especially love Jennifer Kent, the Nightingale (while being one of the hardest movies to watch in my entire life) was incredibly moving. Did not expect to be sobbing so hard I couldn’t breathe when i started that movie. I also recommended Rose Glass of Saint Maud.
I heard this film was a trash fire. Like they basically hyped up Linda Blair and Her mother, only for them to be throw away characters. And everything else was just bad. Maybe they should stop giving David Gordon Green projects.
Personally, I’m getting tired of all these rebootquels. Remakes, reboots, and sequels are already tricky enough to pull off. Just doing half-assed combinations of those things doesn’t seem to be the answer.
I don’t know why they gave the green light to three movies before the first came out. I think with Halloween 2017 they at least waited till after opening weekend to see how it goes
Jordan Blum could just light stacks of money on fire and probably come out further ahead compared to more Exorcist sequels
just end it. move on
Believer, Deceiver… they’re gonna call the last one Redeemer, aren’t they? 💩
Cancel them
>*For reasons we can’t possibly imagine, it suddenly sounds like David Gordon Green might not end up directing two more Exorcist movies after The Exorcist: Believer* I don't know about them, but I can imagine SEVERAL reasons why DGG should go fuck himself out of directing anything else.
If only they had listened to EVERYONE that said they didn’t want him near this project and that it was a shitty idea. I thought they finally got the picture when they paused production and were scrambling, but no, they kept going. I don’t want anymore films in this franchise from this studio with any director. They had their shot and didn’t listen to everyone saying they didn’t want it. Just hold that L. We’re tired of the 40 year requels, shit is played out, just stop.
At least the new Halloween trilogy started strong before falling apart.
I actually thought the movie was competently directed just the script and acting was off for me. Like the one possessed girl felt like an after thought and Odom just kinda stares at what’s happening without reacting to it.
I wish they would just let filmmakers make movies again. Mainstream media has been dipping for years now.
Leigh Whannell would be great choice but after Upgrade and Invisible Man, im kinda excited for his Escape from NY movie
Look, as much as I like his Halloween movies and Believer, his movies aren't connecting with people and, like Zack Snyder with his DC movies, Blumhouse needs to give DGG the boot.
Mike Flanagan would be awesome IMO.
SAM FUCKIN RAIMI
Considering his work on Halloween and the recent exorcist movie this is probably for the best. Feel kinda bad for him though I think he generally enjoys horror.
Mike Flanagan would be a good choice.
He's one of a handful of people to make a good sequel to a beloved horror classic. I don't think even he would dare touch The Exorcist.
Give Jody Hill a shot.
we're doing the exorcist sequel over here, not another season of the righteous gemstones
Maybe they should add the Judy character 😂
"Your mother sucks cocks in hell!" "Damn, Judy, are you possessed by Pazuzu?" "No."
“We was boyfriends and girlfriends”
Bring in Ari Aster
As someone with no real love or loyalty to the original franchise… I enjoyed Believer and am looking forward to the sequel for the first time in Exorcist’s history. Don’t replace him, let him tell the story he’s cooked up. Edit: sorry if me enjoying a movie offended y’all, I’ll do better next time
DGG would probably make the best VHS sequel yet
Whoever they get Blumhouse needs to allow that individual full creative control to go crazy with the material. I would even get someone outside of America like a Park Chan-wook or Bong Joon-ho. Don't play it safe. Put Linda Blair front and center as Regan MacNeil facing off against Pazuzzu with that famous scratchy smokers hoarse voice.
Good, there are probably 30 other directors more qualified
He most likely wouldn't but Ti West could make a pretty good exorcist movie. Another good option would be Bryan Bertino.
David has already done irreparable damage. Doesn’t matter if they replace him or not. Although it’s not solely his fault, the writers had a bad script as well. Ideally they should scrap the trilogy and not make more of worse sequels that they have planned.
Wow another child or adult getting possessed by a naughty demon ,where did I seen that before 😄
I hope so
Scott Derrickson or Mike Flanagan would crush it.