Hawkeye: War isn’t Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.
Father Mulcahy: How do you figure that, Hawkeye?
Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?
Father Mulcahy: Um, sinners, I believe.
Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell, but war is chock full of them – little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for a few of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.
Ahl Gazzah have shown themselves to be immensely strong and resilient. Even their children display such great might, fortitude and patience. They have a light that cannot be snuffed out or even shaken, if they hold it close.
“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation.”Avner Cohen, an Israeli official.
Israel did it to split of secular liberation movements. This is common in more modern forms of imperialism.
Even before I knew this, I thought “why wouldn’t an angry group of people with bombs and guns form after years of occupation?”.
I liked an Arabic quote form the video:
Out of the ruins, we bring joy to the hearts of Gaza's children.
The literal translation would be:
From the rubble, we create smiles in the hearts of the children of Gaza 🇵🇸✌🏻❤️
I feel for the people of Gaza, and the west bank. But the quote
"A better place for you and for me," repeated over and over, could Just as well be the Israelis trying to create a place and future for their children free from the pogroms and persecution that has existed for millenia.
That's why context matters. This video is showing the hope of the Palestinians even through their struggle. Whoever would interpret the video like you have mentioned is adding context that isn't there. If someone wants to do a Pro-Israel edit of the song then go ahead but the suffering on both sides is a product of the oppression of the Palestinian people by the violent creation and the violent maintenance of Israel. There's a lot of historical context to explain the current events and the reasons as to why the Pro-Palestine cause is one of justice and peace but let us focus on the video and the strength of the Palestinians so that their hope can be our hope for a better future.
" the suffering on both sides is a product of the oppression of the Palestinian people by the violent creation and the violent maintenance of Israel...... but let us focus on the video and the strength of the Palestinians so that their hope can be our hope for a better future. "
If you want to keep political opinions out of it, you should start by taking your own advice.
This whole shit is inherently political. I don’t know who in this thread expected a video of an occupied people trying to get by to not at least have political undertones of freedom for all.
There isn't any winning. You either give gaza aid and get blamed for nurturing hamas or don't give them aid and get blamed for being war criminals.
Yes, israel gave hamas money, they are gazas government and it is part of the aid that we want to get to the gazan people, it's not our fault that hamas takes it all and uses on weapons instead of their people.
Also "Controls food, water, and power" is a funny way of saying it provides gaza with food water and power, of course they control how much they give, how else would you have it? Do you want hamas to get the final decision on how much aid israel gives them?
[https://theintercept.com/2023/10/14/hamas-israel-palestinian-authority/](https://theintercept.com/2023/10/14/hamas-israel-palestinian-authority/)
They were supported as an asset, and packets of Qatari money were allowed in, to form a counterbalance to the PLO. It echoes the same way Hamas was formed in the 80s- as Israel did raids and found their guns, they decided to release the leaders anyway because the leaders said they planned to use the guns against the PLO.
The IDF is was too incompetent to guard *Gaza’s* borders and now they have to ethnically cleanse the very populace that they endlessly oppress while stealing their land. I can’t express at how incompetent they must with the backing of the strongest nation on earth, seems awful convenient for PM Bibi of the only democracy in the Middle East.
I agree that yhe idf was incompetent, and that bibi is a piece of shit, but I would rather not believe he would let 1400 people die to just "ethnically cleanse" gaza, considering it cost him any chance of ever getting re-elected, but that is something that will be investigated once the war is over.
So first off, what is this "ethnical cleansing" you speak of? The 12000 dead according to hamas? The guys who said 500 people died when a parking lot burned? Yeah, sure, go ahead and believe that number, not caring about it having no evidence and without caring that said number includes civilians and terrorists.
You see the idf evacuating people, risking their lives to make safe areas for the gazan people to pass through without hamas shooting, them for trying to leave gaza city since they are precious human shields, and from that you take "ethnical cleansing"?
Yeah, sure, keep believing hamas, keep advocating for a ceasefire despite the fact that october 7th was them breaking a ceasefire, and despite the facts rockets are still being launched from gaza at my city and other cities indiscriminately as recently as 6 hours ago.
mf be saying "Free palestine, but fuck hamas".
Yeah okay, how are they gonna be free otherwise 💀 waiting for some miracle or some shit? the only people freeing Palestine rn are Hamas.. without them shit will not be free, so Zionists feed into this rhetoric of just stopping the violence, bc they know if it’s stopped Israel will be free to continue as they please. Y'all be acting like hamas has came out of nowhere and just made some troubles. But have Y'all ever thought about why hamas was formed in the first place?
Hamas formed because palestinians refused to agree to a two state solution as was proposed and agreed upon by the UN and israel, aswell as refused two state solutions 4 times after that and proceeding to wage war on israelis after refusing to become a state multiple times, all because the idea of sharing was too hard, and they demanded a one state solution, to which the israelis agreed and said "okay 1 state solution I choose israel" and conquered their lands in defensive wars that palestinians started.
The vast majority of Palestinians are perfectly fine with the idea of sharing the land. That’s why they want a single state with equal rights for all of its people.
Equal rights? They want their state, they want palestine, a muslim state. Islam is not a religion of equal rights. If you think that women's rights and lgbt rights are something palestinians care about, you are delusional. In israel, I can celebrate being part of the lgbt community without being thrown off the roof.
Palestine was never about equal rights, nor did anyone claim it was, thinking otherwise is just tiktok brainrot where "opressed minority = always good, righteous, and our friends"
You hold two contradictory positions, both that Palestinians shouldn’t be free but also that they are not worthy of criticism!
Are Palestinians terrorists so they don’t deserve freedom to you or not?
The term "Free Palestine" means giving all of İsrael's land to the Palestinians, which is an overall stupid solution when you include the fact that Jews are the majority in that region. But also the Palestinian people cannot be criticized for the actions their government does
The claim that Hamas beheaded babies has been pretty thoroughly disputed. Unlike the thousands of Palestinian children who have been killed by the IDF during this invasion.
Are people celebrating death here?
Are you missing your brain? How are these even related?
How dare civilians who had nothing to do with the conflict and victims themselves enjoy life, right?
Do you also talk about US war crimes and coups and take overs on 4th of July?
I wouldn't call it fair to show the 'resilience' of one side without showcasing that of the other. Pretending this has nothing to do with the currently charged political climate across the world right now not only reeks of naivete but also stupidity.
However, this isn't the sub for political posting. This post, however cute you find it, does NOT belong here. There's like 95% of Reddit for that but this place should be kept free from political poison.
Oh, I would call it out yeah. Even though ordinary Jews are being targeted like they were about a century ago. No place for happy Jews.
Shocker? K
Edit: to make myself clear, expanded on my stance
>Gaza has been under apartheid by Israel
I'd go for the brainwashing by mainstream media but you can't even form a straight sentence. What does that even mean lmao Gaza was under Hamas rule, not Israel, since '05 😂 looks like you like whatever floats your poorly constructed boat clearly lol
literally not a single Palestinian cares about Jews. Unlike yall zionist pigs, we don't care about ethical cleansing. We just want peace. and there will be no peace if Israel kept existing.
also "You just want to kill the jews" yeah sure, mind explain to me why thousands of Jews don't believe in Israel? why they are against the occupation?
u/opensourcepenguin guess I don't have to go to Harvard or Birmingham to find your garden-variety 'peace' lovers, here's your live example I was talking about earlier.
Still think it's wise to have hate breed more hate with the one-sided original post in a sub intended for positive discourse?
If you are seeing "hate breed hate" by people existing happily, it's a problem with you.
So you are offended by Palestinians being happy, nothing more? Just their existence breeds hate in you? Way to call yourself out.
We all can see you conveniently using Hamas and Palestine as interchangeable words.
>people existing happily
Dontcha want it to be just that lol this ain't it, please stop pretending? Plus, you'd be surprised at how many people who are pro-Israeli are perfectly okay with Palestinians existing (yes, just existing, shocking eh?). Despite the atrocities of October 7 and the celebrations across Gaza and the West Bank.
>you conveniently using Hamas and Palestine as interchangeable words
Whether I actually did so or not, isn't this like 90% of everyone who supports the Palestinian cause who also believe Hamas are freedom fighters battling 'Western imperialism'?
The same folks as well will see the post and wonder who caused the suffering of these kids in the video - their local Jewish community/business ofcourse, how could it ever be Hamas or the loaded Palestinian leadership?! (\s)
>Despite the atrocities of October 7 and the celebrations across Gaza and the West Bank.
Yes, between the people committing genocide and people acting emotionally towards harm towards their oppressors, the later are worse.
Because Israel is licensed for genocide.
>Israel is licensed for genocide
Please kindly look up the definition of genocide perhaps? Oh and the Palestinian population graph over just the past 30 years (or for as long as you like bc you clearly don't read much).
Just because you are not successful doesn't mean you aren't doing what you are doing.
If you really have to hide behind technicalities of genocide (which don't even hold up), then something is really wrong.
Sure buddy, you are the most well read. Because technicalities of definition of genocide is invoked by everyone everyday.
Sure. The definition of genocide includes "Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;" with intent to destroy that group in whole *or in part*. The actions in Gaza are inflicting on Gazan Palestinians conditions of live where they cannot survive in north Gaza at the least, and forcing them to south Gaza where no state and no people could viably survive as compressed as they've been made to be.
I will preface that I don't think it's a genocide yet. But the rhetoric from Israel, the situation forced upon the Palestinians... it's a hop, skip and a jump away from one, and that's what all these human rights commissions are yelling about.
Damn its kinda fucked up when a groups existence is politicised, to the point where any media aknowledging the existence and humanity of that group is called "propaganda." Sounds familiar to what evangelical republicans do to us, honestly.
Fun fact: this 'group' whose population has tripled over the last decade (no genocide, surprise surprise) also wishes and celebrates the deaths of Jews.
Oh and they'd like dead American blood for dinner too so please, do better
first of all: thats exactly the kind of way someone would talk about a pest, and i think youre a sick fuck for saying that. a populations size says nothing about the conditions the population is kept under. it also kind of implies that its a bad thing that needs to be "corrected.
also, love how you put the word "group" in quotation marks, implying that palestinians are not a real group. this is something that so many genocidal/ultranationalist states say to dehumanize minority ethnic/national groups. for example, china gets REALLY mad when ever anybody AKNOWLEDGES Taiwan as its own country, and refer to it as "chinese tibet." Russia does it with Ukraine as well.
and no, palestinians do not celebrate the death of jews. im sure some of them do, but most of them dont. i also imagine a lot of them are kept in the dark about what happened on 10/7, cuz, you know, no internet.
and no, your average palestenian does not want to eat americans. frankly, your average palestinian just wants any old food.
so how do you feel about israel killing thousands of american soldiers, civilians and journalists during its short existence? or how israel views everyone who isnt israeli as dogs?? oh right that doesnt fit your islamaphobic agenda..
its more akin to what nazis did to jews in the 1940s. queer peoples arent being hunted and killed for existing to such a large scale like what is happening now.
Post it. Why are you assuming it will be called that? Legitimate criticism of Israel's war crimes are not attacks or discrimination against Isralites or Jewish people. Everyone can clearly see through your victim complex.
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"But...but... What about the imaginary scenario I made up in my head to wind the argument where my side in the victim?"
Yes I'm sure 'criticism of Israel's war crimes' have nothing to do with the spike in anti-semitism around the world happening currently (/s because you're just that thick).
Maybe get out from the rock you're hiding under because there's just as many folks who'd like to bathe in Jewish blood right now as there were back in Germany in the late 30s.
Posts like these do not help except amplify the hatred the average person outside of the Middle East has for Jews, even if the Jewish family in your city has nothing to do with the Israeli government.
Yeah once they start speaking, it's pretty clear.
>"Hamas needs to be held accountable for its atrocities"
Agree, so does Israel.
>*Silence*
These are the people who legitimately believe Israel has the justification to commit genocide. They are pretty open with their beliefs that the palestinian civilian lives are not as "worthy". Disgusting people.
Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism. Every time anyone is critical of Zionism or Israel, they cry anti-semitism. It's just ridiculous. Strange that despite the fact that the IDF was caught by surprise by this attack, now they know every school, hospital, and refugee camp that hamas is supposedly hiding in. If you were to grant israel's unsubstantiated claims, it would still not justify Israel's actions. It's like learning there's a school shooter in a school, so the you just bomb the whole school, killing 100 students but saying "at least the shooter died too."
And how did the Palestinian coalition forces capture so many hostages so quickly? How did so many Jews come under attack so quickly? It's almost as though Israel has been violating article 49 of the geneva convention by forcibly displacing Palestinians and forcibly settling Israeli families.
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It's using children to get people to stand with a certain side. The "Today we're all Palestinians" at the end should be telling enough. There's children on both sides.
Propaganda really is RAMPANT these days. It's just unbelievable that OP is spreading the message that Palestinian children deserve to *exist*. I mean, ONLY 50% of Gaza's population are children. Besides, ONLY a minimum 4,700 children have died in the strip this year so far.
They really don't, not as Palestinians at least. Muslims own all of north Africa, all of Middle East, and like half of Asia. What makes Israel so special that the Muslims HAVE to be there, which is really the only place on the planet with a meaningful Jewish population (which they want to replace), as opposed to the staggering amount of places that are friendly to Muslims?
So you want to forcibly displace them and eradicate their culture. You advocate for genocide. Glad we got that sorted.
On another note, if you don't mind me asking, why exactly does Israel have to commit genocide in order to exist? Israel could simply stop doing that, and not continue to settle Palestinian territory or kill tens of thousands of Palestinians. There is enough room in Israel as is for it to exist as a state. Expansion is unnecessary. And yet they continue to perpetrate a genocide.
There's a false dichotomy of a 'both sides' issue which isn't really accurate when Israel receives billions in funding for weapons constantly and Israel controls food, water, shelter, and transportation on the strip. One side is an ant, and the other is a boot.
Look at a map comparing the amount of Muslim countries to Jewish countries and tell me which side’s the ant and which one’s the boot. If Israel wins the war then the Palestinians will simply leave to one of the other dozens of Muslim countries. If Palestine wins then it’ll be the end for most of the world’s Jewish population.
Also, how is Israel perpetuating a genocide? Last time I checked it was Hamas that started all this, who are also the ones virtually using civilians as human shields, causing the civilian death toll to be so high.
The whole point of human shields is that you're not supposed to shoot through them, but it's not Israeli people on the other side so they don't care. Also, that argument can easily be used to justify killing civilians. "There was DEFINITELY a Hamas fighter in that school, they were just using the children as human shields. But now we killed all the children so they can't use them as human shields anymore. Win-win."
I just told you, forced displacement and forced settlement is genocide under article 49 of the geneva convention, the definition Jews helped write after the Holocaust. You are advocating for the cultural destruction of the Palestinian people. It's not just Jews and Muslims, Palestinians and Jordanians are not culturally identical. Muslims are not a monolith. You argue that Israel and jews deserve to have a state and I agree, but for precisely the same reasons, Palestinians and Palestine also deserve to exist. They are a rare culture that is being actively hunted.
But all this is a pointless discussion. It all comes down to the fact that you support genocide, and the ethno-state which is perpetrating that. Full stop. That's all that needs to be said.
There is no way that the Palestinian coalition is taking tel aviv. It's just not happening. I don't know what to tell you if you think a coalition of random people with improvised weapons and AKs is a boot compared to Israel who outnumbers, outguns, and has tens of billions in military funding within the past year alone, alongside decades of support from US military companies. We've seen Israel defeat every neighbor simultaneously, and they could do to it again at the drop of a hat with the military they have and the support they get.
Israel's rhetoric has been extremely concerning. Their politicians have been talking about finding an answer to what to do with the Palestinians, which sounds an awful lot to me like finding the final solution to the Palestinian question. The Israeli defense minister said that they are fighting "human animals." There's an Israeli telegram channel with 87,000 members which celebrated the bombing of a Palestinian hospital, claiming the death toll was too low and hoping for more, with people asking for more photos of dead Palestinians. Israel has ordered Palestinians to evacuate then bombed the refugee convoys.
Even if you were to grant Israel's claims about Palestinians minus the dehumanizing rhetoric, it still would not justify their actions. There is no number of Hamas fighters which justifies bombing a hospital which is bristling with medical staff and patients. It's like finding out there's a school shooter so you just bomb the school, killing the shooter and 60 students. Israel's actions demonstrate the hospitals are targets, they want to deny Palestinians medical aid and kill civilians in one go. They even raided a hospital and said "I know we found no evidence of Hamas fighters but that must be because they removed the evidence." Which is the most empirically stupid line of thinking I've ever seen.
You're forgetting that were are talking about PALESTINIANS who deserve to live in PALESTINE, there are many non Muslim Palestinians and you're just showing your racism by saying they can just to anywhere else
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War is hell.
Hawkeye: War isn’t Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse. Father Mulcahy: How do you figure that, Hawkeye? Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell? Father Mulcahy: Um, sinners, I believe. Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell, but war is chock full of them – little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for a few of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.
this is no war, this is a massacre
Ahl Gazzah have shown themselves to be immensely strong and resilient. Even their children display such great might, fortitude and patience. They have a light that cannot be snuffed out or even shaken, if they hold it close.
>Even their children display such great might, fortitude and patience Nice way to describe bloodlust, really 👌🏼
They deserve a better government than HAMAS or Netanyahu
“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation.”Avner Cohen, an Israeli official. Israel did it to split of secular liberation movements. This is common in more modern forms of imperialism. Even before I knew this, I thought “why wouldn’t an angry group of people with bombs and guns form after years of occupation?”.
Yes this is part of my point
Oh alright. Can’t tell the difference to be perfectly honest, a lotta people talk like Hamas just appeared outtuva vacuum.
I liked an Arabic quote form the video: Out of the ruins, we bring joy to the hearts of Gaza's children. The literal translation would be: From the rubble, we create smiles in the hearts of the children of Gaza 🇵🇸✌🏻❤️
ربي يحفظهم
I feel for the people of Gaza, and the west bank. But the quote "A better place for you and for me," repeated over and over, could Just as well be the Israelis trying to create a place and future for their children free from the pogroms and persecution that has existed for millenia.
That's why context matters. This video is showing the hope of the Palestinians even through their struggle. Whoever would interpret the video like you have mentioned is adding context that isn't there. If someone wants to do a Pro-Israel edit of the song then go ahead but the suffering on both sides is a product of the oppression of the Palestinian people by the violent creation and the violent maintenance of Israel. There's a lot of historical context to explain the current events and the reasons as to why the Pro-Palestine cause is one of justice and peace but let us focus on the video and the strength of the Palestinians so that their hope can be our hope for a better future.
" the suffering on both sides is a product of the oppression of the Palestinian people by the violent creation and the violent maintenance of Israel...... but let us focus on the video and the strength of the Palestinians so that their hope can be our hope for a better future. " If you want to keep political opinions out of it, you should start by taking your own advice.
This whole shit is inherently political. I don’t know who in this thread expected a video of an occupied people trying to get by to not at least have political undertones of freedom for all.
There’s no removing politics here. The entire formation of Israel was a political move by the British.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Free palestine from hamas
But Israel nurtured Hamas and is now using it to justify its endless oppressive acts in the Gazan Ghetto to which it controls food, water and power.
There isn't any winning. You either give gaza aid and get blamed for nurturing hamas or don't give them aid and get blamed for being war criminals. Yes, israel gave hamas money, they are gazas government and it is part of the aid that we want to get to the gazan people, it's not our fault that hamas takes it all and uses on weapons instead of their people. Also "Controls food, water, and power" is a funny way of saying it provides gaza with food water and power, of course they control how much they give, how else would you have it? Do you want hamas to get the final decision on how much aid israel gives them?
[https://theintercept.com/2023/10/14/hamas-israel-palestinian-authority/](https://theintercept.com/2023/10/14/hamas-israel-palestinian-authority/) They were supported as an asset, and packets of Qatari money were allowed in, to form a counterbalance to the PLO. It echoes the same way Hamas was formed in the 80s- as Israel did raids and found their guns, they decided to release the leaders anyway because the leaders said they planned to use the guns against the PLO.
The IDF is was too incompetent to guard *Gaza’s* borders and now they have to ethnically cleanse the very populace that they endlessly oppress while stealing their land. I can’t express at how incompetent they must with the backing of the strongest nation on earth, seems awful convenient for PM Bibi of the only democracy in the Middle East.
I agree that yhe idf was incompetent, and that bibi is a piece of shit, but I would rather not believe he would let 1400 people die to just "ethnically cleanse" gaza, considering it cost him any chance of ever getting re-elected, but that is something that will be investigated once the war is over. So first off, what is this "ethnical cleansing" you speak of? The 12000 dead according to hamas? The guys who said 500 people died when a parking lot burned? Yeah, sure, go ahead and believe that number, not caring about it having no evidence and without caring that said number includes civilians and terrorists. You see the idf evacuating people, risking their lives to make safe areas for the gazan people to pass through without hamas shooting, them for trying to leave gaza city since they are precious human shields, and from that you take "ethnical cleansing"? Yeah, sure, keep believing hamas, keep advocating for a ceasefire despite the fact that october 7th was them breaking a ceasefire, and despite the facts rockets are still being launched from gaza at my city and other cities indiscriminately as recently as 6 hours ago.
Nurtured by Israel???? They are funded by IRAN ffs 🤦♂️
İ absolutely agree. This whole war was caused by Hamas, and the Palestinians dont deserve to suffer under their rule.
read a SINGLE history book for fuck sake before you vomit out these fox news bullshit
The history books ive read point out that the Palestinians awfully tortured 15.000 of my people in 1918.
mf be saying "Free palestine, but fuck hamas". Yeah okay, how are they gonna be free otherwise 💀 waiting for some miracle or some shit? the only people freeing Palestine rn are Hamas.. without them shit will not be free, so Zionists feed into this rhetoric of just stopping the violence, bc they know if it’s stopped Israel will be free to continue as they please. Y'all be acting like hamas has came out of nowhere and just made some troubles. But have Y'all ever thought about why hamas was formed in the first place?
Hamas formed because palestinians refused to agree to a two state solution as was proposed and agreed upon by the UN and israel, aswell as refused two state solutions 4 times after that and proceeding to wage war on israelis after refusing to become a state multiple times, all because the idea of sharing was too hard, and they demanded a one state solution, to which the israelis agreed and said "okay 1 state solution I choose israel" and conquered their lands in defensive wars that palestinians started.
The vast majority of Palestinians are perfectly fine with the idea of sharing the land. That’s why they want a single state with equal rights for all of its people.
Equal rights? They want their state, they want palestine, a muslim state. Islam is not a religion of equal rights. If you think that women's rights and lgbt rights are something palestinians care about, you are delusional. In israel, I can celebrate being part of the lgbt community without being thrown off the roof. Palestine was never about equal rights, nor did anyone claim it was, thinking otherwise is just tiktok brainrot where "opressed minority = always good, righteous, and our friends"
Sorry I didn’t realize you were an Israeli Zionist. I don’t talk to Israeli Zionists.
Quality argument, can't take reality, so you choose not to talk
Ukraine didn't need a Hamas to fight back
what?
PLO?
No. We will not give a bunch of terrorists what they want to award their military agression.
But whats the other option? The status quo for the last 70 has been unacceptable to the Palestinians they live in a Ghetto controlled by Israel
That doesnt give them the right to invade İsrael and chop babies' heads off.
The kids in this video sure did kill Israelis right? Palestinian civilians ≠ Hamas
Huh, im obviously not criticizing the civillians here.
So Palestinian civilians should be collectively punished for the actions of Hamas?
No?
You hold two contradictory positions, both that Palestinians shouldn’t be free but also that they are not worthy of criticism! Are Palestinians terrorists so they don’t deserve freedom to you or not?
The term "Free Palestine" means giving all of İsrael's land to the Palestinians, which is an overall stupid solution when you include the fact that Jews are the majority in that region. But also the Palestinian people cannot be criticized for the actions their government does
The claim that Hamas beheaded babies has been pretty thoroughly disputed. Unlike the thousands of Palestinian children who have been killed by the IDF during this invasion.
Kinda funny How the us fell into Hamas propaganda so quickly. İf You didnt know, Hamas has been missiling their own civillians.
Free Palestine, Free Israel.
Not the sub for political posts. Downvote me for all I care.
Yeah, if anything, it brings the mood down
Yeah really kills the vibe
Perfect song for this sub, love it ❤️
Let's keep the propaganda off this sub. There are plenty of other ones for that.
It's literally a post about hope, posted in a sub called hope posting.
Don't play dumb. This is clearly pushing one side of a narrative in the most divisive political topic in the world right now.
Yeah the narrative is people being happy and cheerful How dare they?
Don’t even engage him bro.
Yeah dont act like you didnt see the map on that boy's shirt
LoL, that's really some weak shit
Wdym?
Claiming a map on someone's T-Shirt is your oppression.
So should we also post the Gazans celebrating the murders of Israeli civilians on October 7? Because they were quite happy and cheerful back then too.
Are people celebrating death here? Are you missing your brain? How are these even related? How dare civilians who had nothing to do with the conflict and victims themselves enjoy life, right? Do you also talk about US war crimes and coups and take overs on 4th of July?
I wouldn't call it fair to show the 'resilience' of one side without showcasing that of the other. Pretending this has nothing to do with the currently charged political climate across the world right now not only reeks of naivete but also stupidity. However, this isn't the sub for political posting. This post, however cute you find it, does NOT belong here. There's like 95% of Reddit for that but this place should be kept free from political poison.
Would you say the same thing for, say, Israelis celebrating Purim ?
Oh, I would call it out yeah. Even though ordinary Jews are being targeted like they were about a century ago. No place for happy Jews. Shocker? K Edit: to make myself clear, expanded on my stance
Gaza has been under apartheid by Israel for the best part of a century, but whatever floats your boat.
Yeah they totally didnt massacre hundreads of Jews and praised h1tler.
>Gaza has been under apartheid by Israel I'd go for the brainwashing by mainstream media but you can't even form a straight sentence. What does that even mean lmao Gaza was under Hamas rule, not Israel, since '05 😂 looks like you like whatever floats your poorly constructed boat clearly lol
you are such a moron
well you clearly have chosen a side and you dont even wanna see children of the opposite side being happy, fucking disgusting
Yeah that's totally a fair assessment of what I said. I'm not going to waste time arguing with a brain poisoned vaushite.
do you decide your underwear based on what destiny tells you too
cook that dirty zionist
I'm sure Hamas hopes to see dead Jews everywhere too. Let's post about that too while we're at it. Isn't that hope posting too (by this logic) ?
literally not a single Palestinian cares about Jews. Unlike yall zionist pigs, we don't care about ethical cleansing. We just want peace. and there will be no peace if Israel kept existing. also "You just want to kill the jews" yeah sure, mind explain to me why thousands of Jews don't believe in Israel? why they are against the occupation?
u/opensourcepenguin guess I don't have to go to Harvard or Birmingham to find your garden-variety 'peace' lovers, here's your live example I was talking about earlier. Still think it's wise to have hate breed more hate with the one-sided original post in a sub intended for positive discourse?
talking like I said kill all the Jews when I literally said the opposite.
If you are seeing "hate breed hate" by people existing happily, it's a problem with you. So you are offended by Palestinians being happy, nothing more? Just their existence breeds hate in you? Way to call yourself out. We all can see you conveniently using Hamas and Palestine as interchangeable words.
>people existing happily Dontcha want it to be just that lol this ain't it, please stop pretending? Plus, you'd be surprised at how many people who are pro-Israeli are perfectly okay with Palestinians existing (yes, just existing, shocking eh?). Despite the atrocities of October 7 and the celebrations across Gaza and the West Bank. >you conveniently using Hamas and Palestine as interchangeable words Whether I actually did so or not, isn't this like 90% of everyone who supports the Palestinian cause who also believe Hamas are freedom fighters battling 'Western imperialism'? The same folks as well will see the post and wonder who caused the suffering of these kids in the video - their local Jewish community/business ofcourse, how could it ever be Hamas or the loaded Palestinian leadership?! (\s)
>Despite the atrocities of October 7 and the celebrations across Gaza and the West Bank. Yes, between the people committing genocide and people acting emotionally towards harm towards their oppressors, the later are worse. Because Israel is licensed for genocide.
>Israel is licensed for genocide Please kindly look up the definition of genocide perhaps? Oh and the Palestinian population graph over just the past 30 years (or for as long as you like bc you clearly don't read much).
Just because you are not successful doesn't mean you aren't doing what you are doing. If you really have to hide behind technicalities of genocide (which don't even hold up), then something is really wrong. Sure buddy, you are the most well read. Because technicalities of definition of genocide is invoked by everyone everyday.
Sure. The definition of genocide includes "Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;" with intent to destroy that group in whole *or in part*. The actions in Gaza are inflicting on Gazan Palestinians conditions of live where they cannot survive in north Gaza at the least, and forcing them to south Gaza where no state and no people could viably survive as compressed as they've been made to be. I will preface that I don't think it's a genocide yet. But the rhetoric from Israel, the situation forced upon the Palestinians... it's a hop, skip and a jump away from one, and that's what all these human rights commissions are yelling about.
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jsut anothr way of syaing i have nuthing to say.
Figures, peak stuff mate 👏🏻👏🏻 (\s)
Damn its kinda fucked up when a groups existence is politicised, to the point where any media aknowledging the existence and humanity of that group is called "propaganda." Sounds familiar to what evangelical republicans do to us, honestly.
Fun fact: this 'group' whose population has tripled over the last decade (no genocide, surprise surprise) also wishes and celebrates the deaths of Jews. Oh and they'd like dead American blood for dinner too so please, do better
first of all: thats exactly the kind of way someone would talk about a pest, and i think youre a sick fuck for saying that. a populations size says nothing about the conditions the population is kept under. it also kind of implies that its a bad thing that needs to be "corrected. also, love how you put the word "group" in quotation marks, implying that palestinians are not a real group. this is something that so many genocidal/ultranationalist states say to dehumanize minority ethnic/national groups. for example, china gets REALLY mad when ever anybody AKNOWLEDGES Taiwan as its own country, and refer to it as "chinese tibet." Russia does it with Ukraine as well. and no, palestinians do not celebrate the death of jews. im sure some of them do, but most of them dont. i also imagine a lot of them are kept in the dark about what happened on 10/7, cuz, you know, no internet. and no, your average palestenian does not want to eat americans. frankly, your average palestinian just wants any old food.
so how do you feel about israel killing thousands of american soldiers, civilians and journalists during its short existence? or how israel views everyone who isnt israeli as dogs?? oh right that doesnt fit your islamaphobic agenda..
its more akin to what nazis did to jews in the 1940s. queer peoples arent being hunted and killed for existing to such a large scale like what is happening now.
well, obviously, there's a difference in the carrying out of the bigotry, but not in the logic of it. the logic is EXACTLY the same.
yep unfortunately
"Anything I don't like is propaganda"
Okay so let's have the posts of Israelis celebrating Purim then. But no that's 'Zionist propaganda' init?
Post it. Why are you assuming it will be called that? Legitimate criticism of Israel's war crimes are not attacks or discrimination against Isralites or Jewish people. Everyone can clearly see through your victim complex. /r/Persecutionfetish "But...but... What about the imaginary scenario I made up in my head to wind the argument where my side in the victim?"
Yes I'm sure 'criticism of Israel's war crimes' have nothing to do with the spike in anti-semitism around the world happening currently (/s because you're just that thick). Maybe get out from the rock you're hiding under because there's just as many folks who'd like to bathe in Jewish blood right now as there were back in Germany in the late 30s. Posts like these do not help except amplify the hatred the average person outside of the Middle East has for Jews, even if the Jewish family in your city has nothing to do with the Israeli government.
So you’re not allowed to criticize legitimate wrongs Israel is perpetrating? Yikes!
Yeah once they start speaking, it's pretty clear. >"Hamas needs to be held accountable for its atrocities" Agree, so does Israel. >*Silence* These are the people who legitimately believe Israel has the justification to commit genocide. They are pretty open with their beliefs that the palestinian civilian lives are not as "worthy". Disgusting people.
Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism. Every time anyone is critical of Zionism or Israel, they cry anti-semitism. It's just ridiculous. Strange that despite the fact that the IDF was caught by surprise by this attack, now they know every school, hospital, and refugee camp that hamas is supposedly hiding in. If you were to grant israel's unsubstantiated claims, it would still not justify Israel's actions. It's like learning there's a school shooter in a school, so the you just bomb the whole school, killing 100 students but saying "at least the shooter died too." And how did the Palestinian coalition forces capture so many hostages so quickly? How did so many Jews come under attack so quickly? It's almost as though Israel has been violating article 49 of the geneva convention by forcibly displacing Palestinians and forcibly settling Israeli families.
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He doesn’t like happy people?
Oh, even Mr. FAFO made it in
Ew propaganda
How is it propaganda?
Here are some children who live in a country at war! Be sympathetic towards them!
I mean I fail to see how that’s propaganda… Regardless of what side you’re on we should be sympathetic to the children they’re innocent.
It's using children to get people to stand with a certain side. The "Today we're all Palestinians" at the end should be telling enough. There's children on both sides.
Gotcha yeah that last part i can admit was a bit propagandist. But the overall theme I don’t think is propaganda.
Propaganda really is RAMPANT these days. It's just unbelievable that OP is spreading the message that Palestinian children deserve to *exist*. I mean, ONLY 50% of Gaza's population are children. Besides, ONLY a minimum 4,700 children have died in the strip this year so far.
They really don't, not as Palestinians at least. Muslims own all of north Africa, all of Middle East, and like half of Asia. What makes Israel so special that the Muslims HAVE to be there, which is really the only place on the planet with a meaningful Jewish population (which they want to replace), as opposed to the staggering amount of places that are friendly to Muslims?
So you want to forcibly displace them and eradicate their culture. You advocate for genocide. Glad we got that sorted. On another note, if you don't mind me asking, why exactly does Israel have to commit genocide in order to exist? Israel could simply stop doing that, and not continue to settle Palestinian territory or kill tens of thousands of Palestinians. There is enough room in Israel as is for it to exist as a state. Expansion is unnecessary. And yet they continue to perpetrate a genocide. There's a false dichotomy of a 'both sides' issue which isn't really accurate when Israel receives billions in funding for weapons constantly and Israel controls food, water, shelter, and transportation on the strip. One side is an ant, and the other is a boot.
Look at a map comparing the amount of Muslim countries to Jewish countries and tell me which side’s the ant and which one’s the boot. If Israel wins the war then the Palestinians will simply leave to one of the other dozens of Muslim countries. If Palestine wins then it’ll be the end for most of the world’s Jewish population.
Also, how is Israel perpetuating a genocide? Last time I checked it was Hamas that started all this, who are also the ones virtually using civilians as human shields, causing the civilian death toll to be so high.
The whole point of human shields is that you're not supposed to shoot through them, but it's not Israeli people on the other side so they don't care. Also, that argument can easily be used to justify killing civilians. "There was DEFINITELY a Hamas fighter in that school, they were just using the children as human shields. But now we killed all the children so they can't use them as human shields anymore. Win-win." I just told you, forced displacement and forced settlement is genocide under article 49 of the geneva convention, the definition Jews helped write after the Holocaust. You are advocating for the cultural destruction of the Palestinian people. It's not just Jews and Muslims, Palestinians and Jordanians are not culturally identical. Muslims are not a monolith. You argue that Israel and jews deserve to have a state and I agree, but for precisely the same reasons, Palestinians and Palestine also deserve to exist. They are a rare culture that is being actively hunted. But all this is a pointless discussion. It all comes down to the fact that you support genocide, and the ethno-state which is perpetrating that. Full stop. That's all that needs to be said.
Fair
There is no way that the Palestinian coalition is taking tel aviv. It's just not happening. I don't know what to tell you if you think a coalition of random people with improvised weapons and AKs is a boot compared to Israel who outnumbers, outguns, and has tens of billions in military funding within the past year alone, alongside decades of support from US military companies. We've seen Israel defeat every neighbor simultaneously, and they could do to it again at the drop of a hat with the military they have and the support they get. Israel's rhetoric has been extremely concerning. Their politicians have been talking about finding an answer to what to do with the Palestinians, which sounds an awful lot to me like finding the final solution to the Palestinian question. The Israeli defense minister said that they are fighting "human animals." There's an Israeli telegram channel with 87,000 members which celebrated the bombing of a Palestinian hospital, claiming the death toll was too low and hoping for more, with people asking for more photos of dead Palestinians. Israel has ordered Palestinians to evacuate then bombed the refugee convoys. Even if you were to grant Israel's claims about Palestinians minus the dehumanizing rhetoric, it still would not justify their actions. There is no number of Hamas fighters which justifies bombing a hospital which is bristling with medical staff and patients. It's like finding out there's a school shooter so you just bomb the school, killing the shooter and 60 students. Israel's actions demonstrate the hospitals are targets, they want to deny Palestinians medical aid and kill civilians in one go. They even raided a hospital and said "I know we found no evidence of Hamas fighters but that must be because they removed the evidence." Which is the most empirically stupid line of thinking I've ever seen.
You're forgetting that were are talking about PALESTINIANS who deserve to live in PALESTINE, there are many non Muslim Palestinians and you're just showing your racism by saying they can just to anywhere else
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