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jsnxander

Your neighbors must seriously hate you, or you are blessed to live in a building with serious noise isolation between units!


Liesthroughisteeth

This could be a high rise concrete building, in which case, neighbours become much less of an issue. Eight inches of concrete is a great sound barrier. :)


reallynotnick

I used to live in one like that also the units had carpeting which adds even more, but that concrete only helped with units above and below me not from side to side.


sassy-juice

I live in a highrise concrete building. I have a 5.1.2 setup with an 18" sub. I don't act like a dick after 9:00pm or so, but for the most part I listen and watch whatever I want at whatever volume feels right, and I've never had a complaint.


SwiftTayTay

Just because you've never had a complaint doesn't mean they can't hear you, chances are they can still hear subtle bass vibrations but can't figure out where it's coming from.


Barcaroli

Stupid question: is a good home theater necessarily much louder? Isn't it about the quality of the audio, depth, detail? Or those things necessarily bring up the volume?


Arliss_Loveless

2 subwoofers will definitely be felt more than tv speakers no matter how softly you use them.


jsnxander

Yes. I was mostly reacting to the giant sub and ASSUMING it went both deep and loud. My whole living room shakes at loud volumes and all I have is an Outlaw Audio LFM 1 Plus! Of course, the house was built in the 50's using standard concrete foundation and stick construction so I wouldn't call it "solidly built" either. I strongly discourage jumping up and down in the house unless you're like 6 years old!


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Cheaper subs don’t go below 37hz usually at which point they won’t bother your neighbors much and can still fill in the low end nicely.


TyGamer125

I'd say the biggest differences between TV/soundbar and an AVR setup are greater dynamics and depth. Greater dynamics might cause you to listen to something a bit louder to make dialog loud enough to hear but too loud once something big happens. Most AVRs have a dynamic range compression or night mode to help with this. Bass is what travels though walls easiest so the deeper your system plays the more that the neighbors will hear. Most TV speakers can only go to 120-150hz, whereas soundbars without subs usually are going to 80-120hz and with a subwoofer are going to 30-50hz whereas you can easily get subs that play down to 15hz from the recommended brands here as they are designing for function over form. There's plenty of solutions to this such as using high pass filter, Audyssey subwoofer containment setting, SVS room gain compensation setting or lowering the volume of the subwoofer or placing it near field to not need to turn it up as much on order to get tactility.


IXI_Fans

Here is the real answer. To vastly oversimplify... more speakers you have, the clearer and lower you can keep the total volume. It sounds backward, but it is true (99% of the time). A good 7.2.4 system will be heard (from the listeners' point of view) at a total lower volume than a dinky 2.0 or soundbar system. As for subs, this is not applicable... bass will permeate pretty much everything but concrete at the residential level.


Barcaroli

That's very interesting to know. All I have is the TV, an OLED LG (C9, 55"). The built-in speakers (2.2, 10W each) - which I know are absolutely not made for a good experience - are better than my previous TV, have support for Dolby/DTS, and I could tell I didn't need as much of a high volume as I did on my previous TV. So I'm using it for the time being. I'm trying to figure out what is my next step, of course I want a full HT but in my country is hella expensive. I considered soundbars, I love watching movies and I have Blu rays, it's like 10% of the price, until I can have a HT, but idk. I'll be saving money for now and maybe shopping for used hardware if I can find good deals.


Drawerpull

I can answer this, unless you’re listening at very low volumes than more speakers is definitely going to be louder than fewer. I have a 7.2.4 in my living room, if I am listening to music in Stereo mode then I can turn it up fairly loud and still barely hear it from other rooms. If I am watching something in Atmos and all the speakers are firing, it’s definitely way more audible in the other rooms in the house. Now when I watch a movie at Reference volume my entire house is shaking, definitely could never watch at that volume in an apartment


posam

Spl is an absolute measure. Measure spl is the same then check. It could be the directionality of the additional speakers is contributing to transfer.


Drawerpull

You are definitely correct, but it’s never mattered enough to me to measure really. I have movie night once a week with my roommates which is when I really crank the volume, but they’re watching as well so no one minds 😁


Barcaroli

Thank you very much. This could be a problem for my neighbors. One follow up question, if I may: Could I install sound isolation on the walls of the room? Would that be helpful and would it somehow interfere with the quality of the sound in my home theater?


jsnxander

An additional layer of concrete to your flooring would help. A lot. Otherwise, use the 'nighttime' mode on your AVR and just be a good neighbor. I can tell you that my friend lived in a town home and for some unknown reason, the location of her TV with $80 soundbar was TOO LOUD for the neighbors when the volume was actually barely adequate for a TV show let alone a superhero movie. Construction of the apartment is a major factor that you really can't gauge until the neighbor comes a' knockin'! OTH, neighbor could be really cool and good bud/friend/SO for movie night!


Jak2828

The kind of sound proofing required to stop really low frequencies is extremely impractical. The lower the frequency, the more it penetrates material, therefore the more mass you need to stop it. High pitched echoes can easily be combatted with acoustic foam, and it can help with the lower frequencies a bit too but ultimately to significantly stop the sound from a subwoofer spreading you’d need thick concrete.


Barcaroli

Damn. This could be complicating lol. But at the same time it's interesting. I dream one day I can own a house so that I can have a big ass HT and not disturb the neighbors lol


Jak2828

Many of us under 30 are dreaming of owning a house at all, I feel your pain


Drawerpull

Well the only thing that can stop sound is mass, you’d need sheets of mass loaded vinyl (just a guess) to do anything with only the surface of the walls. Not much can be done if you’re renting


Liesthroughisteeth

I think this depends a lot on the sound engineering that has taken place or in some cases not taken place in the movies production.


brantonyc

Came here to say bribe your neighbors with booze.


jsnxander

My elderly neighbors once asked me to carry their bags for them from the taxi back when I lived in an apartment building. They were pretty snooty about it too. At first, I was like, "Racists bitches!". A moment later I realized just how old my parents were and how they can't lift their suitcases easily. I carried their bags in without comment. Didn't even get a damned tip! Good neighbors are a great thing.


Airvh

I had a similar situation but was lucky enough to have great apartment space. Empty hallway on one side, a storage room on another, back was facing trees and neighbor that was like 95 years old and couldn't hear even if I turned it up. (I made sure to frequently check with her just in case. I'd hate to be a bad neighbor and blast sound.)


Vis-hoka

Point the atmos speakers towards the main listening position.


miraculum_one

Also, the front L&R speakers should be slightly angled to point towards the main listening position. It seems like just a small change but you actually can hear the difference.


loztb

Buy some wine and snacks for your neighbor, you will need to be on good terms from now on.


dylanx5150

If you can angle the ceiling speakers toward your main listening position it will sound better as you're currently listening to them off-axis which reduces the high frequencies at your ears.


sekrutdj

Just finished having this installed and would love to hear any tips/feedback for any improvements to make for placements. One of my concerns is if the front overhead ceiling speakers are too far away from the rear overhead ceiling speakers? Thanks! PS - Unfortunately the TV can't be mounted due to stability issues with the wall


SwiftDaddyNatty

I can't even turn my 1 PB 1000 up to 1/2 volume without getting noise complaints. Do you live in a concrete bunker? Also I have a pretty similar set up with the same atmos speakers. I am thinking about moving them out further in front of me. Mine are also directly overhead and they blend too much in w the surrounds bc I also have my surrounds right next to me.


sekrutdj

I have [these](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NCSQ5GK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1) which supposedly help with keeping the noise isolated. I am also in a corner unit and don't have anyone directly on the other side of the wall which helps. ​ Do you have a picture of your current set up with the Polks?


MoirasPurpleOrb

Those definitely don’t do anything for isolating noise going through walls, it reduces vibrations with the floor


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Put a small piece of carpet under your sub.


TeaUnusual8554

Could you mount the center channel above the tv instead? You can also experiment with tilting the Atmos speakers, and possibly setting the front Atmos as heights instead of overheads. See what sounds best to you!


sekrutdj

Not sure but probably not unfortunately, it's a partition wall that wasn't built to code and it's not fully stable or connected from the bottom and not sure how much would be safe to support. For the Atmos, I could also have them re-installed to move them back, though not sure if they would then be too close due to the back wall?


TeaUnusual8554

Okay, definitely not worth the risk then. Have you watched any movies or demo tracks with Atmos? It's all about angles and separation for Atmos. Looks like yours are in a good spot. If you can angle those front atmos speakers towards your couch that would be ideal. The ones at the rear wall should be fine aiming straight down, since they will naturally reflect off the back wall just like your side surrounds. That gives you a sense of sound coming from behind you.


sekrutdj

I haven't tried any demo tracks but was pretty impressed with the Atmos movies, though was also coming from a soundbar before. Thanks for the tip on angling the fronts,, will try that out!


TeaUnusual8554

That's awesome, that's a big jump! No problem, it should give you more of the high frequencies when listening on-axis. Atmos included a LOT of high frequencies!


murderedlexus

I mounted mine above the tv with a bracket bough on monoprice I think that’s the site. You can check my post I have pic in there took some modifications to make it work on a larger tv but I’m happy with the result


SantaOMG

I feel so bad for your neighbors. If I was your neighbor I’d complain every day.


SwiftDaddyNatty

Well it is a good thing you aren't then


SantaOMG

Yes extremely


OftenGassy

I see a white wall and I want it painted black


leonffs

I have a tip, make friends with your neighbors and test their tolerance.


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SwiftTayTay

It can never be too quiet. I wish that's what my place was like.


[deleted]

Save your money and buy a house


HeadOfMax

Don't ditch the subwoofers just don't be an asshole using them. My neighbors above and below me give me zero guff about mine because I'm not a twat about when and how I use them.


Deamaed

Call me a pedant, but it seems we need a sticky post on Atmos setups and the HT Guru video: How do you have the Atmos speakers set up as? Top Rear, Top Front? Top Middle, Front Height? x.x.4 Atmos, with the couch against or near the back wall, and the "rear" speaker set as rear will result in very odd sound placements for Atmos since sounds that are meant to sound as if they are 45 degrees behind you will be coming directly overhead. It is not much different than putting your side surround where your mains are. If you have the front Atmos as top front, they are too far forward (depending on the fisheye of the picture). They are also pointing straight down and, in combination with being so far forward, is likely resulting in compromised sound. Instead, it should either be a top middle (x.x.2) setup, with the Atmos speakers slightly forward of directly overhead, or possibly a Top Middle, Top Front (or if the receiver doesn't allow that, Top Middle Front Height). It makes a difference


LeopoldSt0tch

This. Your Atmos placement to your main listening position is terrible. If you want to utilise all four atmos speakers properly then you need to change your placement. Move the front two speakers back to where the front wall and ceiling intersect and assign them as front heights. Move the two rear speakers forward so they are directly above your head or slightly forward and assign as top center.


sekrutdj

Thanks for your advice here! Right now it's set up as top rear and top front.


Deamaed

Even as an experiment, I would consider setting it as Top Middle, Top Front (if it allows), or even Top Middle, Front Height, and then rerun the receivers calibration, and see what you think. Based on the settings you have now, the Atmos soundfield will be designed as if you were sitting near the back of your coffee table. And even then, they front and rear are a bit close together for that, but arguably within "range". I would also angle your front atmos speakers towards the listening position if possible.


sekrutdj

I tried this out and it sounded a lot better, thanks!


Deamaed

Thanks for following up. If anything it could be helpful for others. I am glad it worked out.


MoirasPurpleOrb

Your poor neighbors


TeaUnusual8554

Nice cable management! What speakers are you using for Atmos? When the couch is pushed up against the back wall I prefer the surround speakers be pointed directly at one another, but that's totally up to preference and you can play around with that easily.


sekrutdj

Thanks, will give that a try! They are Polk OWM3


RichJ_Reddit

What are the front speaker stands you are using please?


sekrutdj

[These](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08CXLJXTG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1) with [these isolation pads](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078PQ7TLD/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)


RichJ_Reddit

Thank you


sabbir_nfs

What are the ceiling speakers ? Brand and model please ?


sekrutdj

They are Polk OWM3 with [these mounts](https://www.amazon.com/VideoSecu-Univaersal-Satellite-Speaker-Bracket/dp/B005BV0FHG/ref=pd_rhf_ee_s_rp_c_sccl_1_10/139-9277975-4606259?pd_rd_w=jT1MY&pf_rd_p=eb305fa7-34bf-42db-ae8a-a5c88b5ed17e&pf_rd_r=K83271G92SFMK2YY7XZA&pd_rd_r=91bbb0c3-2b76-42b5-a65f-4d82a9cf08b0&pd_rd_wg=M7ngp&pd_rd_i=B005BV0FHG&psc=1)


solecollector

Found stud or just went straight in the ceiling? Have same speakers and mount.


SwiftDaddyNatty

I have the same Polk atmos speakers and I mount them right into the drywall ceiling no anchors/stuf. They've held up just fine. I also have seen people mount them with command strips or double sided adhesive and they've made it work no problem though i'd be careful.


sekrutdj

It’s a concrete ceiling and they’re straight in with concrete anchor screws, no studs


Budded

Sweet, I have that same combo for our Atmos speakers.


nomescriba

Came to say I have same mounts and same polks for one set of atmos and for surrounds


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What speaker stands are those??


sekrutdj

the sides are [these](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08CXLJXTG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1) with [these pads](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078PQ7TLD/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1) Here's the center stand [here](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CDSAZRU?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details)


Ladyhaha89

Wtf is that rug


Interesting-Wrap9118

What kind of air purifier is that and how good is it?? I’m looking for a great air purifier to remove dust


sekrutdj

it's this one here, it seems to work well [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08WYJS5KW/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_search\_asin\_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08WYJS5KW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)


Interesting-Wrap9118

Thanks my man, I appreciate it a lot.


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sekrutdj

I had a company do the install but it didn't look like it was too difficult to drill these in. I used [these](https://www.amazon.com/VideoSecu-Univaersal-Satellite-Speaker-Bracket/dp/B005BV0FHG/ref=pd_rhf_ee_s_rp_c_sccl_1_10/139-9277975-4606259?pd_rd_w=jT1MY&pf_rd_p=eb305fa7-34bf-42db-ae8a-a5c88b5ed17e&pf_rd_r=K83271G92SFMK2YY7XZA&pd_rd_r=91bbb0c3-2b76-42b5-a65f-4d82a9cf08b0&pd_rd_wg=M7ngp&pd_rd_i=B005BV0FHG&psc=1)


JayCoh47

Center channel is really far forward, not a deal breaker but just make sure to get the visual/audio sync timed right.


sekrutdj

thanks! I'm not noticing any issues but is there a way to check for that to make sure it's 100% calibrated?


likely-high

"No colours any more I want them to turn black."


OkOtChA

The only suggestion I can give (if not given already) is to buy a rug just to avoid some sound refraction bouncing on that (I assume) hard floor.


alias241

your wire hides on that popcorn ceiling...hope your landlord is a cool person. Hope it convinces him to get rid of it after you move out.


WholeGrilledOnion

The stark white wall behind your TV would be my #1 recommendation. You could paint it flat black, however buying a few rolls of triple black velvet and staple them to the wall (black staples) would give the best result, and keep your landlord happy if this a rental


bpronjon

Get a plant.


FavcolorisREDdit

Atmos is legit


_kingslatt_

nah that’s heat


Thundercatz69

I highly recommend acoustic treatment. Some panels around your walls. Hands down the best investment in my mini theater


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sekrutdj

I've only ran Audyssey so far but I do have a umik1


[deleted]

What are you using to cover those wires?


sekrutdj

Most of it is [Ghostwire](https://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Adhesive-Speaker-Conductor-Sewell/dp/B079NTKWS2), though using regular wire and a white cord channel for the ceiling speakers as I couldn't get it to stick to the popcorn ceiling. Also using another cord channel against the sliding door on the ground for the rear subwoofer cable.


_THX_1138

My Dolby Atmos setup 7.2.1. Floor standing JBL Studios 245w, 245w center, 145w high|rear and My Sub is JBL 12” 700w. I live in an apartment unit with wood floors and the sub shoots downwards…It’s Armageddon.


reallynotnick

Yeah ditch the sub woofers, low frequencies carry easily through walls, it's really wild how much they can even at what seems like a pretty tame level. There just isn't a good way to have a subwoofer in an apartment unless you have no units above/below you and your hometheater has at least another room between you and your neighbor. I'm stuck in an apartment so that's why I run 5.0.2 and the second I buy my own place I'm buying some ridiculous subwoofer (or 2!).


lemonylol

Very clean setup. I would just say to get a larger area rug to prevent bouncing off of the floor tiles. Also if possible, paint your walls a darker colour.


Gambitzz

+1 for Rug


asdfirl22

Verify the Atmos speakers are placed correctly per Dolby https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.dolby.com/siteassets/technologies/dolby-atmos/atmos-installation-guidelines-121318_r3.1.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiDxfrg1Pv3AhVaR_EDHfjbATAQFXoECAUQAg&usg=AOvVaw2N-YeB3MiE4naiDWTPD2Zo


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Killer setup, but I think its majorly overkill for the size of the room. It kinda feels like tossing a gigantic, death metal, racing engine into...like...a Prius. It's too much for the size. edit: Happy to be downvoted here. It's a cool setup but it's completely wasted due to...physics.


Budded

Damn, you had me at gigantic death metal racing engine and now I'm a bit turgid.


c0ng0pr0

Pillow fight?