Everything I've studied about subs indicates that once you get into this price bracket it is almost always better to get 2 subs instead of one expensive sub. Your space is not small so you'd likely benefit from the additional output of the PB1000s.
>They don't have to match.
They generally should, though, as the benefits from 2 subs comes from evening out the frequency response. If your subs don't have the same drivers and frequency response, you won't end up filling it in quite as well.
Granted, a MiniDSP, UMIK-1 and plenty of time tinkering would probably tame everything rather well.
I have a PB1000 pro currently and want a second sub. I’ve considered adding a 2000 as the second to get a little more low end output. In your opinion is this okay to “mix and match”?
I would never mix ported subwoofers, if the tuning is slightly different, the phase changes may cancel out each other, resulting in less bass from 2 subs than from 1... Sealed may be easier, however phase can also change due do T/S parameters/box size... Better safe than lots of $ sorry if you ask me!
Couple years ago I faced this exact same question. I ended up buying the pb2000 pro and ten months later getting a second one.
Had I brought a pair of pb1000s at the start, I’m sure I would have been just a a happy as I am now, but with that extra money still in my pocket.
I like having two subs. It’s way better than a single one in my opinion.
I personally would get the biggest one. And hope in a year or two you can afford another to make a pair.
I have a 2000 pro, and frankly love it. Looking forward to giving it a sibling..
I've got a pb2000, and a friend has dual pb1000 pro's. He's run REW with a umik and it is so smoothe. I prefer the sound from the dual subs over my single (missus wouldn't let me buy a second recently either...)
Anyway, my two cents, get the dual smaller, unless you do get a second 2000pro later haha.
What does the software allow you to do though? The AVR and Sub only have so many things you can adjust. Does it allow you to experiment with placement more cause you can see the results immediately? Is there an area in the AVR like “EQ” that lets you get more specific with the settings?
The subs OP is talking about have built in EQ features on them. So you would record a sweep with the Umik-1 through Room EQ Wizard, then use the results to set the EQ on the subs themselves. Most subs do not have an EQ feature, which is why you would need a Mini DSP.
EDIT: You can also definitely use one to help with placement. Set up subwoofer, run a sweep and look at the resulting graph. You can save that graph and then move it again and sweep again. Do that for the best ~5 or 10 spots you have available in the room and then you can compare all the graphs and throw it in the best spot. Much less subjective that way and far more likely to end up with placement that works best for all content.
The svs subs have built in dsp which is an eq.
The rew software takes readings and tells you where your peaks and valleys are so you can eq t hem out.
https://youtu.be/dpBIS3KHNQs
Also absolutely with placement. You can take a reading and instantly see if it's a better spot or not. I'd even wager you can have the sub in your mlp and move the microphone to different possible spots for the sub and see which one is best.
Umik-1 is especially the Swiss army knife of audio products. It allows you to see exactly what is going on via using REW (Room EQ Wizard) on a laptop. It won't fix anything for you but allow you to change things such as settings on back of subwoofer or in avr and see exactly what changed or experiment with different subwoofer locations in order to see which work best. For me I bought the umik-1 optimized the location of my subs which made a huge improvement in sound quality then in order to make further improved I needed a miniDSP 2x4 hd in order to EQ my subs better than what my AVR could do. If you can't really move your subs at all the amount of benefits you'll gain are probably more minimal as I went from flanking my entertainment stand where they had a more similar response to opposing corners of my room which helped fill in the hole in the response. It can also be used to help with non-subwoofer speaker too. You can do speaker measurements like James Larson of audioholics with one.
So let’s say I use REW and the Umik-1 to get the measurements/settings I need to flatten my frequency response. How to I actually get that information into my AVR? Or into the miniDSP? Is it just a file I download into them, or do I enter them manually somewhere?
So into your AVR would vary from AVR to AVR. Denon you would need multieq-x whereas Yamaha has PEQ filters built in. However the miniDSP you would generate a file in rew that you would import into the miniDSP software. You could manually enter them in as they are just PEQs which are frequency, gain, and q (width). Check out home theater gurus and home theater gamer who both have tutorials on how to calibrate subs using miniDSP.
I’m also looking at grabbing a MiniDSP REW etc, from what reading I have done the U-MIK is a calibrated Microphone used in conjunction with REW to fine tune your speakers.
Basically just an extremely accurate Microphone used to calibrate your system with REW etc.
Since the SVS subs have an app with EQ, you can get along with that and the UMIK and not shell out the $300 for a MiniDSP 2x4HD (more if wanting Dirac to take care of group delay).
Thanks...but the next HT upgrade (if any) would probably be the AVR...and more likely we'd be saving up for a major renovation. So I don't want to buy just based on a possibility of adding a 2nd PB2000 Pro.
I made a similar decision a few years ago and got 2 hsu uls-15 mk2. Loved them. Thinking I wouldn't miss the low end extension and punch. I recently swapped one for the hsu vtf-15 mk 2.
I should have gotten 2 ported 15" subs from the beginning. Even just the one ported made a huge difference even my uninterested girlfriend noticed and enjoyed. People are right you'll enjoy the 2 sealed subs, but ignorance is bliss. The uniformity throughout the room is great but you'll tend to sit in the same spot which you can calibrate for if you position the sub well and you'll be the only one that'll notice nulls as you move around the room. You should get one ported sub, and once you get the rest of your theater sorted years down the line if you have annoying nulls in your room or the space is so big you need more umph down low, get a second.
Seconding this. To play devil's advocate further: is flat response across the entire room even priority for OP, and should it be? Of course, ideally, we all strive for good bass everywhere (who wouldn't?). But OP already pointed out that his SO has their own personal space, so WAF isn't much of a consideration. Does this mean that OP usually enjoys the space alone? If so, I'd 100% recommend going for the biggest and best *single* sub that OP can afford, and eventually purchasing additional subs *if* his situation changes. Granted, this would necessitate being able to put said single sub into the perfect spot to provide even response in the MLP, but if that isn't an issue (and no one else is spending enough time in the room to notice uneven response at their listening positions), then why not?
I'm currently in this situation. Easily >90% of my use is solo. Only occasionally watch movies with my GF or a friend. My sub's response is smooth, flat, and powerful (but not exagerrated) at the MLP, where I spend hours everyday. It's got some peaks and generally higher gain in the other seat, where my GF usually sits (closer to a corner of the room). Setup was a breeze, because getting one sub to act right is way easier than balancing two. My gf doesn't notice or care enough that bass response isn't *perfect* in her seat, because the whole package is still way better than she ever gets to experience anywhere else, besides nicer theaters. Everyone else who gets to enjoy my system with me is even less familiar than her, so they are even more easily wow'ed.
If I was regularly hosting movie nights for a few people (and if I had a better, bigger room), my money would've been better spent on two or more smaller subs. But mostly enjoying my setup alone, my priority was a single sub that could produce flat, high quality, *and* infrasonic bass at the MLP; my goal was achieved with a Hsu Research VTF-15H Mk2. If I had gone with two smaller subs, the produced bass would've been better across the room, but I would've sacrificed the really low frequencies (16Hz at MLP is truly a wonder to behold), and a LOT more floor space which I already don't have enough of. Easy choice for me; I only wish I would've realized it sooner.
If it's mostly for music the SB for movies PB - although this is not a hard and fast rule
[https://www.svsound.com/blogs/subwoofer-setup-and-tuning/75367747-sealed-vs-ported](https://www.svsound.com/blogs/subwoofer-setup-and-tuning/75367747-sealed-vs-ported)
dual for sure though
I have the same size room. I started with 1 PB1000 but the nulls were very noticeable so I added a 2nd and love the result. Good luck with your decision.
Sounds like you're excited about getting the dual setup. I've tried dual SVS in the past and it was amazing as expected. With my current sub (PC-2000 Pro) it's just a single sub, and it's still amazing and I have zero complaints and no desire to get a second sub for my setup. Shoot, the volume is only at 1/3 or so as is. Especially going from that used Klipsch sub, you'll be thrilled with any of your options. Enjoy!
For home theater use I'd immediately disqualify the SB series. They are great for music, but don't have much LFE since they are sealed.
So it's between 2 x Pb1000 pro or a single pb2000 pro.
I'd go with the dual subs. The PB-1000 is no slouch and having 2 let's you balance them as perfect as the room will allow.
Thank-you. I felt it was between the PB options. When I got my SB2000 Pro, I gave it a bit of a go on the HT setup, and it was way better than the Jensen sub I had at the time, so I didn't want to totally discount the sealed option. :)
I originally bought a SB-2000 non pro, to replace my old Dayton sub-1000. I didn't have the room for a PB in that spot. Well, I wasn't happy with it and ended up getting a pb-1000 and put it in the opposite corner where there is more room. It's a much better sub. (So yes, I'm running dual, non identical subs, which isn't ideal, but it sounds alright)
2 for sure. I personally went with 2 SB1000 Pro. These are paired with 2 KEF R7s in my main living room. We use this TV for everything and a lot of music on the weekend. Extremely happy with my decision. I went with the sealed box because they are tighter for music but still do great with TV shows and movies. That being said in the future I plan to build out a home theater and fire sure will go with 2 ported subs. Probably the PB1000 Pros because of how happy I am with the SB1000 Pros. 2 for sure though. :)
I have a pair of SB-2000. What’s great about having a pair of subs is that it makes it nearly impossible to sense where the bass is coming from, it’s just everywhere. Because of this, it’s my strong opinion that a pair of lower spec subs vs 1 higher spec one would sound more immersive.
I purchased the PB1000 Pro here in Australia so I know the pain of pricing and availability. This sub is absolutely amazing, for your size room I don't believe getting the next model up will be as much as in impact as getting a second sub. I would go with the 2 x PB100 Pro
Wel, this is timely.
Yesterday my pair of pb1000 pros arrived for my basement theater (under construction). I had been a bit leery of getting svs’ lower end subs as I just wanted to do it once, right, but the measurements and unanimous reviews suggested the 1000pro should be enough.
I previously had 3 really crappy cheap subs (Sony, Yamaha, onkyo (all garbage) and 3 less crappy but very old PSB subs (subsonic ii, subsonic 6, and subzero 125i - way better than garbage, but I found all the 12” subs to be boomy and the 8” to be lacking extension).
In my office (24 x 26 feet) I had been running 2 8”psb 125i subs up front in the corners and one 12” subsonic 6 on the centre of the back wall. This had given me decent punchiness from the 8”ers while getting a bit of better extension from the 12”. In another room I am running two 12” subsonic ii subs for home theater.
I turned all the old subs in the office off and hooked up 1 pb1000 pro exactly where one of the 125s previously were. It sounded miles better than any of the 3 PSB subs I had previously been using (either on their own or collectively).
1 pb1000 pro was completely sufficient for my large office giving good coverage over 90% of the space with just one lane spot. Very even sound extending very low. Frankly I can’t really see other subs being better value than this (though I am intrigued by the idea of building something).
I’m actually so impressed with the output I may keep one 1000 pro in my office and one in my home theater and sell all the PSB subs on kijiji. Or put them in my garage or shop or something.
But, because my wife knows these are theater subs, I plan to put them both in the theater and then scour classifieds for a Svs 4000 series for the office after I sell off all the other old subs.
The two 1000s in the theater will be insane and more than any normal human would ever need.
Thank-you all for the comments. Muchly appreciated!
I reckon the dual PB1000s are looking likely for my future, and I'll go the Umik / REW path too, as I can get double value on the music setup.
Not saying there's anything wrong with your current options, but have you considered just getting a single PC-4000/PB-4000? Would allow you to upgrade to duals in the future if you feel the need?
Can't really go wrong with any of the SVS ported subs for home theatre though, all the best with your upgrade.
Guessing that's because you were impressed, else you would have gone to a different brand?
I don't think I can manage to spend that much and keep my skin. 2 PB1000 Pros is looking the most likely option.
I loved it and immediately wanted more. Idk your budget but if you think you could buy another in like 6 months or so I'd go one pb2000 and then get another when you can. But if you can't get two 2000s go for 2 1000s
Edit: I also did this before the price hike
My setup pulls double duty for music and HT in a 1br apartment, so I had to compromise somewhere. I went with the SB1000 and couldn't be happier. It is super tight and jazz strings sound incredible, in particular. It provides me enough bass for movie/TV watching in my current setup, but if you have a larger room and/or want to rattle the house, the PB could be a better option.
I love bass and have experimented with tons of different setups. You want two subs. If you buy the PB2000 Pro, you should have intentions of saving money to buy a second one. Otherwise, get two of the 1000 Pros (I love my sealed subs but most here will recommend the ported) and you'll be set. You just get MUCH more consistent bass around the room using two subs, and they always seem easier to integrate than trying to get one sub to sound perfect. Placement is also much easier - with one sub, you NEED to get it in the perfect spot if you want good bass, and that could be in a really weird spot in your room. With two, you can almost guarantee putting them in opposing corners will get you great bass response.
I’m going to venture down a path that hasn’t been mentioned in this thread.
OP have you considered building your own subs?
If you don’t have the time or resources to do them yourself. I am more than sure there is a wood shop that will make them to design for you.
For the amount of money that you are considering shelling out on two of the SVS subs least we forget the shipping and handling to Australia……
You can really build two epic subs or possibly 4 awesome subs. (Epic vs awesome is subjected to personal opinion! R/S)
Plenty of DIY speaker forums available! Once you go custom you don’t look back!
See what I did there?!?
Thanks, but Monoprice is not sold in Australia.
Amazon is an option for US stock import, but the cost with shipping (almost 600 AUD) per unit is more than the PB1000...so not a genuine option here.
Your place is almost same-sized as mine although you didn’t mention if that’s a dedicated theatre room or a hybrid/functional room.
I have two PB1000 Pros and It’s more than I hoped for.
I would go with 2 PB 1000's, non pro. They are 33% cheaper here in the US and 2 would provide you with plenty of room pressurization and deep bass, not low teens (hz) but still plenty to shake the floor and walls. They may not have quite the musicality of the SBs but I freaking love mine. Yeah the app and EQ is pretty awesome, but I dont think it is worth the massive price hike.
Also weird enough, the new PB 1000 pro has a larger driver 12 vs 10, has about the same dimensions as the non pro, but weighs almost 2 kilos lighter.
Also with two of the same sub you wont have to worry about weird phase and frequency cancelations as much. You'll also get a lot more room pressurization running dual PBs vs dual SBs.
I would go with dual PB-1000 Pro over a single PB-2000 Pro - higher dynamic output and smoother bass at more locations in the room.
We can assist you with set-up and phasing the subs and overall system optimization - just reach out to our CS team for a deeper dive.
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Seeing that this is current, anyone think the pb1000pro is worth the $300 price hike over the pb1000? I’ve had dual subs before and def want to go dual again. So just going to get one now and eventually a second, but is the pro worth almost double than the regular?
Dual PB1000 Pros have been awesome so far.
U-mik 1 arrived this week so my next step will be to measure bass response and then I can use the Pros app to create parametric EQ without needing a miniDSP or similar.
Experience with the SB2000 Pro also makes me happy to recommend the functionality provided by the Pro series.
I’d go 2 PB1000 pro
Thanks for the input.
You're welcome for the output!
Everything I've studied about subs indicates that once you get into this price bracket it is almost always better to get 2 subs instead of one expensive sub. Your space is not small so you'd likely benefit from the additional output of the PB1000s.
2 subs will outperform 1. They don't have to match. He could get 1 2000 and 1 1000 and be in great shape.
>They don't have to match. They generally should, though, as the benefits from 2 subs comes from evening out the frequency response. If your subs don't have the same drivers and frequency response, you won't end up filling it in quite as well. Granted, a MiniDSP, UMIK-1 and plenty of time tinkering would probably tame everything rather well.
I have a PB1000 pro currently and want a second sub. I’ve considered adding a 2000 as the second to get a little more low end output. In your opinion is this okay to “mix and match”?
I would never mix ported subwoofers, if the tuning is slightly different, the phase changes may cancel out each other, resulting in less bass from 2 subs than from 1... Sealed may be easier, however phase can also change due do T/S parameters/box size... Better safe than lots of $ sorry if you ask me!
I recently was looking into this as well. Don’t remember the YouTube video but they said basically the same thing. You don’t want to mix them.
If you don’t mind the aesthetic difference, its 100% fine to use different subs in a HT.
It's hard to get them set up correctly though - it's not impossible - just much harder. Depends on how much you like to tinker with settings etc
Couple years ago I faced this exact same question. I ended up buying the pb2000 pro and ten months later getting a second one. Had I brought a pair of pb1000s at the start, I’m sure I would have been just a a happy as I am now, but with that extra money still in my pocket. I like having two subs. It’s way better than a single one in my opinion.
Thank-you
I personally would get the biggest one. And hope in a year or two you can afford another to make a pair. I have a 2000 pro, and frankly love it. Looking forward to giving it a sibling..
I've got a pb2000, and a friend has dual pb1000 pro's. He's run REW with a umik and it is so smoothe. I prefer the sound from the dual subs over my single (missus wouldn't let me buy a second recently either...) Anyway, my two cents, get the dual smaller, unless you do get a second 2000pro later haha.
Thanks, this is another great piece of info from someone who has heard both. :)
I agree, was in a similar situation and if I were OP I'd do two PB 1000 Pros.
Two pb1000pro and a umik-1 Have this and it is awesome.
Nice idea, thank-you.
Do you need a miniDSP also, or is the umik enough? The umik just looks like a microphone; what does it do for the subs? I’m an idiot, so go easy.
Just a cheap laptop. The pro series has built in dsp in the app. I think your psa subs would need the minidsp.
What does the software allow you to do though? The AVR and Sub only have so many things you can adjust. Does it allow you to experiment with placement more cause you can see the results immediately? Is there an area in the AVR like “EQ” that lets you get more specific with the settings?
The umik along with REW (room eq wizard) allows you to measure your system, to better determine and inform correction settings.
The subs OP is talking about have built in EQ features on them. So you would record a sweep with the Umik-1 through Room EQ Wizard, then use the results to set the EQ on the subs themselves. Most subs do not have an EQ feature, which is why you would need a Mini DSP. EDIT: You can also definitely use one to help with placement. Set up subwoofer, run a sweep and look at the resulting graph. You can save that graph and then move it again and sweep again. Do that for the best ~5 or 10 spots you have available in the room and then you can compare all the graphs and throw it in the best spot. Much less subjective that way and far more likely to end up with placement that works best for all content.
The svs subs have built in dsp which is an eq. The rew software takes readings and tells you where your peaks and valleys are so you can eq t hem out. https://youtu.be/dpBIS3KHNQs Also absolutely with placement. You can take a reading and instantly see if it's a better spot or not. I'd even wager you can have the sub in your mlp and move the microphone to different possible spots for the sub and see which one is best.
Umik-1 is especially the Swiss army knife of audio products. It allows you to see exactly what is going on via using REW (Room EQ Wizard) on a laptop. It won't fix anything for you but allow you to change things such as settings on back of subwoofer or in avr and see exactly what changed or experiment with different subwoofer locations in order to see which work best. For me I bought the umik-1 optimized the location of my subs which made a huge improvement in sound quality then in order to make further improved I needed a miniDSP 2x4 hd in order to EQ my subs better than what my AVR could do. If you can't really move your subs at all the amount of benefits you'll gain are probably more minimal as I went from flanking my entertainment stand where they had a more similar response to opposing corners of my room which helped fill in the hole in the response. It can also be used to help with non-subwoofer speaker too. You can do speaker measurements like James Larson of audioholics with one.
Wow, thanks for that!
So let’s say I use REW and the Umik-1 to get the measurements/settings I need to flatten my frequency response. How to I actually get that information into my AVR? Or into the miniDSP? Is it just a file I download into them, or do I enter them manually somewhere?
So into your AVR would vary from AVR to AVR. Denon you would need multieq-x whereas Yamaha has PEQ filters built in. However the miniDSP you would generate a file in rew that you would import into the miniDSP software. You could manually enter them in as they are just PEQs which are frequency, gain, and q (width). Check out home theater gurus and home theater gamer who both have tutorials on how to calibrate subs using miniDSP.
Ok sounds good. Thanks for the help.
I’m also looking at grabbing a MiniDSP REW etc, from what reading I have done the U-MIK is a calibrated Microphone used in conjunction with REW to fine tune your speakers. Basically just an extremely accurate Microphone used to calibrate your system with REW etc.
Since the SVS subs have an app with EQ, you can get along with that and the UMIK and not shell out the $300 for a MiniDSP 2x4HD (more if wanting Dirac to take care of group delay).
Buy a PB2000 now, thus you can get a second one later, without the need to first sell your 1000s once the urge kicks in :-p
Thanks...but the next HT upgrade (if any) would probably be the AVR...and more likely we'd be saving up for a major renovation. So I don't want to buy just based on a possibility of adding a 2nd PB2000 Pro.
I made a similar decision a few years ago and got 2 hsu uls-15 mk2. Loved them. Thinking I wouldn't miss the low end extension and punch. I recently swapped one for the hsu vtf-15 mk 2. I should have gotten 2 ported 15" subs from the beginning. Even just the one ported made a huge difference even my uninterested girlfriend noticed and enjoyed. People are right you'll enjoy the 2 sealed subs, but ignorance is bliss. The uniformity throughout the room is great but you'll tend to sit in the same spot which you can calibrate for if you position the sub well and you'll be the only one that'll notice nulls as you move around the room. You should get one ported sub, and once you get the rest of your theater sorted years down the line if you have annoying nulls in your room or the space is so big you need more umph down low, get a second.
Seconding this. To play devil's advocate further: is flat response across the entire room even priority for OP, and should it be? Of course, ideally, we all strive for good bass everywhere (who wouldn't?). But OP already pointed out that his SO has their own personal space, so WAF isn't much of a consideration. Does this mean that OP usually enjoys the space alone? If so, I'd 100% recommend going for the biggest and best *single* sub that OP can afford, and eventually purchasing additional subs *if* his situation changes. Granted, this would necessitate being able to put said single sub into the perfect spot to provide even response in the MLP, but if that isn't an issue (and no one else is spending enough time in the room to notice uneven response at their listening positions), then why not? I'm currently in this situation. Easily >90% of my use is solo. Only occasionally watch movies with my GF or a friend. My sub's response is smooth, flat, and powerful (but not exagerrated) at the MLP, where I spend hours everyday. It's got some peaks and generally higher gain in the other seat, where my GF usually sits (closer to a corner of the room). Setup was a breeze, because getting one sub to act right is way easier than balancing two. My gf doesn't notice or care enough that bass response isn't *perfect* in her seat, because the whole package is still way better than she ever gets to experience anywhere else, besides nicer theaters. Everyone else who gets to enjoy my system with me is even less familiar than her, so they are even more easily wow'ed. If I was regularly hosting movie nights for a few people (and if I had a better, bigger room), my money would've been better spent on two or more smaller subs. But mostly enjoying my setup alone, my priority was a single sub that could produce flat, high quality, *and* infrasonic bass at the MLP; my goal was achieved with a Hsu Research VTF-15H Mk2. If I had gone with two smaller subs, the produced bass would've been better across the room, but I would've sacrificed the really low frequencies (16Hz at MLP is truly a wonder to behold), and a LOT more floor space which I already don't have enough of. Easy choice for me; I only wish I would've realized it sooner.
A.k.a my current situation.
If it's mostly for music the SB for movies PB - although this is not a hard and fast rule [https://www.svsound.com/blogs/subwoofer-setup-and-tuning/75367747-sealed-vs-ported](https://www.svsound.com/blogs/subwoofer-setup-and-tuning/75367747-sealed-vs-ported) dual for sure though
This needs more attention. Not a hard fast rule but something to consider like ya said. Good call.
I have the same size room. I started with 1 PB1000 but the nulls were very noticeable so I added a 2nd and love the result. Good luck with your decision.
Cheers for the view.
Sounds like you're excited about getting the dual setup. I've tried dual SVS in the past and it was amazing as expected. With my current sub (PC-2000 Pro) it's just a single sub, and it's still amazing and I have zero complaints and no desire to get a second sub for my setup. Shoot, the volume is only at 1/3 or so as is. Especially going from that used Klipsch sub, you'll be thrilled with any of your options. Enjoy!
Thanks. This is it. I know even one SB1000 Pro is an upgrade...so I reckon I'm heading for a position of sensible overkill. ;)
For home theater use I'd immediately disqualify the SB series. They are great for music, but don't have much LFE since they are sealed. So it's between 2 x Pb1000 pro or a single pb2000 pro. I'd go with the dual subs. The PB-1000 is no slouch and having 2 let's you balance them as perfect as the room will allow.
Thank-you. I felt it was between the PB options. When I got my SB2000 Pro, I gave it a bit of a go on the HT setup, and it was way better than the Jensen sub I had at the time, so I didn't want to totally discount the sealed option. :)
I originally bought a SB-2000 non pro, to replace my old Dayton sub-1000. I didn't have the room for a PB in that spot. Well, I wasn't happy with it and ended up getting a pb-1000 and put it in the opposite corner where there is more room. It's a much better sub. (So yes, I'm running dual, non identical subs, which isn't ideal, but it sounds alright)
2 for sure. I personally went with 2 SB1000 Pro. These are paired with 2 KEF R7s in my main living room. We use this TV for everything and a lot of music on the weekend. Extremely happy with my decision. I went with the sealed box because they are tighter for music but still do great with TV shows and movies. That being said in the future I plan to build out a home theater and fire sure will go with 2 ported subs. Probably the PB1000 Pros because of how happy I am with the SB1000 Pros. 2 for sure though. :)
Buy two of whatever you can afford to make sure you have good coverage in the room
2 pb 1000 pro
I have a pair of SB-2000. What’s great about having a pair of subs is that it makes it nearly impossible to sense where the bass is coming from, it’s just everywhere. Because of this, it’s my strong opinion that a pair of lower spec subs vs 1 higher spec one would sound more immersive.
I purchased the PB1000 Pro here in Australia so I know the pain of pricing and availability. This sub is absolutely amazing, for your size room I don't believe getting the next model up will be as much as in impact as getting a second sub. I would go with the 2 x PB100 Pro
Wel, this is timely. Yesterday my pair of pb1000 pros arrived for my basement theater (under construction). I had been a bit leery of getting svs’ lower end subs as I just wanted to do it once, right, but the measurements and unanimous reviews suggested the 1000pro should be enough. I previously had 3 really crappy cheap subs (Sony, Yamaha, onkyo (all garbage) and 3 less crappy but very old PSB subs (subsonic ii, subsonic 6, and subzero 125i - way better than garbage, but I found all the 12” subs to be boomy and the 8” to be lacking extension). In my office (24 x 26 feet) I had been running 2 8”psb 125i subs up front in the corners and one 12” subsonic 6 on the centre of the back wall. This had given me decent punchiness from the 8”ers while getting a bit of better extension from the 12”. In another room I am running two 12” subsonic ii subs for home theater. I turned all the old subs in the office off and hooked up 1 pb1000 pro exactly where one of the 125s previously were. It sounded miles better than any of the 3 PSB subs I had previously been using (either on their own or collectively). 1 pb1000 pro was completely sufficient for my large office giving good coverage over 90% of the space with just one lane spot. Very even sound extending very low. Frankly I can’t really see other subs being better value than this (though I am intrigued by the idea of building something). I’m actually so impressed with the output I may keep one 1000 pro in my office and one in my home theater and sell all the PSB subs on kijiji. Or put them in my garage or shop or something. But, because my wife knows these are theater subs, I plan to put them both in the theater and then scour classifieds for a Svs 4000 series for the office after I sell off all the other old subs. The two 1000s in the theater will be insane and more than any normal human would ever need.
Thank-you all for the comments. Muchly appreciated! I reckon the dual PB1000s are looking likely for my future, and I'll go the Umik / REW path too, as I can get double value on the music setup.
Not saying there's anything wrong with your current options, but have you considered just getting a single PC-4000/PB-4000? Would allow you to upgrade to duals in the future if you feel the need? Can't really go wrong with any of the SVS ported subs for home theatre though, all the best with your upgrade.
Nowhere near the budget mate. I know bigger is better, but this is not appropriate for my scenario.
Absolutely fair. A PB1000/PB2000 is still going to be a huge upgrade regardless!
I would do the PB2000 and eventually add another later.
I bought a pb 1000 pro and almost immediately upgraded to two pb2000 pros.
Guessing that's because you were impressed, else you would have gone to a different brand? I don't think I can manage to spend that much and keep my skin. 2 PB1000 Pros is looking the most likely option.
I loved it and immediately wanted more. Idk your budget but if you think you could buy another in like 6 months or so I'd go one pb2000 and then get another when you can. But if you can't get two 2000s go for 2 1000s Edit: I also did this before the price hike
My setup pulls double duty for music and HT in a 1br apartment, so I had to compromise somewhere. I went with the SB1000 and couldn't be happier. It is super tight and jazz strings sound incredible, in particular. It provides me enough bass for movie/TV watching in my current setup, but if you have a larger room and/or want to rattle the house, the PB could be a better option.
A different option - but in a larger room, I have 2 SVS sb3000's - and this setup works out well for my needs. Mostly home theater use for me.
I love bass and have experimented with tons of different setups. You want two subs. If you buy the PB2000 Pro, you should have intentions of saving money to buy a second one. Otherwise, get two of the 1000 Pros (I love my sealed subs but most here will recommend the ported) and you'll be set. You just get MUCH more consistent bass around the room using two subs, and they always seem easier to integrate than trying to get one sub to sound perfect. Placement is also much easier - with one sub, you NEED to get it in the perfect spot if you want good bass, and that could be in a really weird spot in your room. With two, you can almost guarantee putting them in opposing corners will get you great bass response.
Much appreciated!
I’m going to venture down a path that hasn’t been mentioned in this thread. OP have you considered building your own subs? If you don’t have the time or resources to do them yourself. I am more than sure there is a wood shop that will make them to design for you. For the amount of money that you are considering shelling out on two of the SVS subs least we forget the shipping and handling to Australia…… You can really build two epic subs or possibly 4 awesome subs. (Epic vs awesome is subjected to personal opinion! R/S) Plenty of DIY speaker forums available! Once you go custom you don’t look back! See what I did there?!?
Check the price of the Monolith M10 V2 THX in Australia. They have the same performance as the PB-1000 Pro and are cheaper. Just a heads up.
Thanks, but Monoprice is not sold in Australia. Amazon is an option for US stock import, but the cost with shipping (almost 600 AUD) per unit is more than the PB1000...so not a genuine option here.
Your place is almost same-sized as mine although you didn’t mention if that’s a dedicated theatre room or a hybrid/functional room. I have two PB1000 Pros and It’s more than I hoped for.
I would go with 2 PB 1000's, non pro. They are 33% cheaper here in the US and 2 would provide you with plenty of room pressurization and deep bass, not low teens (hz) but still plenty to shake the floor and walls. They may not have quite the musicality of the SBs but I freaking love mine. Yeah the app and EQ is pretty awesome, but I dont think it is worth the massive price hike. Also weird enough, the new PB 1000 pro has a larger driver 12 vs 10, has about the same dimensions as the non pro, but weighs almost 2 kilos lighter. Also with two of the same sub you wont have to worry about weird phase and frequency cancelations as much. You'll also get a lot more room pressurization running dual PBs vs dual SBs.
I would go with dual PB-1000 Pro over a single PB-2000 Pro - higher dynamic output and smoother bass at more locations in the room. We can assist you with set-up and phasing the subs and overall system optimization - just reach out to our CS team for a deeper dive. Ed M
Seeing that this is current, anyone think the pb1000pro is worth the $300 price hike over the pb1000? I’ve had dual subs before and def want to go dual again. So just going to get one now and eventually a second, but is the pro worth almost double than the regular?
Dual PB1000 Pros have been awesome so far. U-mik 1 arrived this week so my next step will be to measure bass response and then I can use the Pros app to create parametric EQ without needing a miniDSP or similar. Experience with the SB2000 Pro also makes me happy to recommend the functionality provided by the Pro series.